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MLB's Problems In Arizona

From a good Yahoo Sports article:

Hundreds of teenage ballplayers arrive every year in the United States trying to make a better life. They come from the Dominican Republic and Venezuela and Mexico and elsewhere, all to play the most American of games. Most grew up in poverty. Few know English. The game welcomes them anyway.

In less than two months, the Arizona Rookie League begins its season. Nearly 140 young players born and raised in Spanish-speaking countries will congregate in Phoenix and its suburbs for their first taste of professional baseball. They may do so as the nation’s most controversial law – the one that says some people who look like them are most certainly not welcome – goes into effect in late July.

[. . .] More than 1,000 players, and hundreds more executives, coaches, trainers and business staff, spend about eight weeks of spring training in the Phoenix area. Latin Americans represent 25-plus percent of major league players, and the percentage in the minor leagues is even higher. The sweeping reform, which critics say invites racial profiling, is almost certain to hit baseball if the federal government doesn’t intervene.

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    The employer's dilemma on the largest scale (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by ruffian on Sat May 01, 2010 at 09:31:38 AM EST
    What employer in his right mind would send Hispanic employees to Arizona under these conditions? I know I couldn't do it.

    Ballplayers are special... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by kdog on Sat May 01, 2010 at 09:41:25 AM EST
    remember that scene in "Do The Right Thing" when John Turturro's character tries to explain how Prince and Magic Johnson are his favorites and somehow different than the black people in the neighborhood he despises?  

    Same thing here, the next Pedro Martinez is somehow different than the latinos cutting the hedges.

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    Not that different (none / 0) (#14)
    by nycstray on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:54:02 AM EST
    what about the one who's English is shaky at best and the racist who harasses him? Who's going to explain he's the next Pedro?

    Perhaps all the Latinos in AZ should start wearing team shirts and/or "I'm the next Pedro!" tees  ;)

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    LOL.. (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:57:47 AM EST
    I was thinking carry a mitt at all times, or do their work in batting gloves.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:01:50 PM EST
    Gotta pass Bilbray's wardrobe test.

    Infuriating.

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    It was great... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Sat May 01, 2010 at 09:53:14 AM EST
    to see the photos of those protestors out at Wrigley when the Diamondbacks came to play the Cubbies.

    Hopefully MLB does the right thing with the All-Star Game....they sure love to celebrate Jackie Robinson's memory, lets hope they keep that in mind.

    moot point (none / 0) (#10)
    by diogenes on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:41:57 AM EST
    Long before the all-star game some court will give an injunction against this law, and it will spend years winding its way to the Supreme Court.
    BTW, if fewer Dominican/Venequelan baseball academy players make it to MLB, isn't it kinda good for American born blacks?

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    Hope so... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:51:01 AM EST
    I'm thinking this thing won't make it to enforcement day as well.

    Shutting down the baseball pipeline from Latin America would be a boon to all American born players, sure...but bad for the game and the fans who wanna see the best baseball.

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    Bad for the game and for fans who (none / 0) (#22)
    by oldpro on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:59:48 PM EST
    wanna see the best baseball...

    No kidding.  Shut those borders and take down the "Land of Opportunity!" signs.

    Can we keep Ichiro, tho?

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    As a life-long (none / 0) (#23)
    by Zorba on Sat May 01, 2010 at 04:27:09 PM EST
    St. Louis Cardinals fan, I would take it very, very badly if they sent back my guy, Albert Pujols.  ;-)

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    I assume that this year (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by rdandrea on Sat May 01, 2010 at 10:02:26 AM EST
    They'll all have broken taillights.

    Beisbol, she has been (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Cream City on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:16:48 AM EST
    very, very good to Arizona, home of spring training camps -- including that of our local team.  It means a lot of Midwestern tourists to Arizona every spring . . . that is, spring in Arizona, while still wintry here.

    So my spouse is making calls and writing letters to our local team's management and to the city in Arizona that is the site of our spring training camp.  He is claiming to cancel plans for a group that would have gone to training camp next spring -- and to boycott games here, unless our local team with its ties to Arizona speaks out about this.

    Btw, BTD, our local team is owned by the MLB commissioner.  So there ought to be pressure put on Bud Selig to move spring training camp next year.

    Imagine no pro ball... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:24:13 AM EST
    in Arizona, that would be so cool:)

    But a big-money outfit like MLB ain't trying to make waves...the people would have to get insanely loud and make sure the gate goes way down for it happen...after the league's utter hypocrisy during the whole steroid thang I don't have much faith in 'em doing the right thing for the right thing's sake.

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    oh really? What about refusing to allow (none / 0) (#9)
    by observed on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:27:01 AM EST
    Rush to be an owner?


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    That was football... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:47:16 AM EST
    and I'm not even sure that was the right thing:)...just an economic decision for the NFL...they only like ultra-conservative owners who keep a lower profile.

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    oh right. The point is, major league (none / 0) (#17)
    by observed on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:02:30 PM EST
    sports are extremely image conscious, and this is in the contracts and conditions for players and owners. I'm not sure how the hosts in AZ could be held responsible for what the legislature does, though.

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    Selig is an AZ homeowner, too (none / 0) (#18)
    by Cream City on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:04:34 PM EST
    so may vote there instead of in Wisconsin, for all I know. . . .

    I see pressure on him as MLB commissioner but not as a team owner with spring training camp in AZ, as a homeowner, too -- quite a few ties as a property owner there, benefiting from AZ and no doubt from its Hispanic residents.  

    Some reporter (or blogger) with enterprise could put together a compendium of all of Selig's ties to AZ and his cash made there -- personal cash, in addition to his salary and benefits as the commish.

    He does pretty well for a former used car salesman, huh?  Of course, some of us hold against him even more that he bought his way into the MLB commish job and thus pushed out another team owner who wanted the post.  So that other team owner by the name of George W. Bush had to settle for another job . . . in the White House.

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    I told you so, (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by scribe on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:16:50 PM EST
    on April 20.

    Only a few of you listened.

    I see the impact starting very soon - the Arizona Fal league, where MLB rookies and minor league prospects go to get more game time, starts in eiher OCtober or November.

    I think the first MLB team that says it will not be sending any players to the Arizona Fall League will get a lot of credit with Hispanic fans.  

    Beyond the broken taillight problem, think of every off-field encounter which might lead to the police geting involved.  Some people shouting in the steet.  A dispute in a bar.  An issue - real or created - over a check in a restaurant.

    This promises to be worse than the days of Jim Crow, post-Jackie Robinson, in Florida which led a number of teams to move their spring training from there to Arizona in the first place, going-on a half century ago.  You'll still hear old ballplayers talk about how Jackie, or Henry Aaron, or Elston Howard (a Yankee), couldn't get into a restaurant with the rest of the team, or had to sleep apart from the team, or had to ride in the back of the team bus when in Florida for spring training.  It still rankles - you can hear it in their voices.

    So, a team leader, as courageous (none / 0) (#21)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:50:42 PM EST
    as the leader of the Brooklyn Dodgers, must be found. Anyone think someone will stick his/her neck out?

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    OT, but paging BTD: Massive Ezra takedown (none / 0) (#6)
    by lambert on Sat May 01, 2010 at 10:29:16 AM EST
    here.

    Why is it (none / 0) (#11)
    by NYShooter on Sat May 01, 2010 at 11:44:49 AM EST
    that every contentious issue that arises here, in the USA, must, absolutely, and unfailingly, be dealt with by first placing reason, common sense, and sanity into a lockbox. Then, with any hope of solving our problem(s) intelligently having been taken "off the table" we commence to deal with the situation like a bunch of spoiled 10 year olds. Look out, incoming pejoratives! Ready to fire invectives out of tubes 1 & 2! Quick, tune in the TV, God willing, maybe Chris Mathews and Sarah Palin will tell us what to do.

    Doesn't anybody think it's strange that no President, not Democrat nor Republican have moved in any meaningful way to stem "illegal" immigration, mainly from Mexico, and to a lesser degree, the Caribbean? Not Law & Order, Nixon; not Racist Ronnie, not even Boy-Man, Bush. Why is that?

    Because, thankfully, there were some grown-ups in those Administrations that whispered some truths into their empty noggins. The truth is that over many decades America and Mexico have forged a symbiotic relationship which has been extremely beneficial to both countries, especially America. They were told, "Mr. President, the day you seal the border is the day you seal your own political suicide. America would plunge into a depression the likes of which we've never seen.

    And there's another fallacy we've grown to accept as fact, which it simply is not. While certainly there have been some abuses towards these Latino laborers, the truth is: Americans will not do the work. I've been in business, managing people for over 40 years, so please believe me; our culture has evolved to a state whereby our people simply will not do the work these immigrants do. It's not the pay; it's the culture.

    Now, if George Bush could understand that, why can't Glenn Beck?

    Glenn beck should go try (none / 0) (#19)
    by ruffian on Sat May 01, 2010 at 12:05:08 PM EST
    Running a business in Texas for a few years. I'll give Bush credit for having learned something from that experience.

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    Bush never ran anyting in Texas (none / 0) (#28)
    by Rojas on Sat May 01, 2010 at 09:38:55 PM EST
    he didn't ruin. His oil venture failed. He got bailed out of personal ruin from some shady political connections. He bought a baseball team to which his only value added was a new stadium that rightfully belongs to the tax payers.

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    Absolute BS (none / 0) (#27)
    by Rojas on Sat May 01, 2010 at 09:31:18 PM EST
    If that's your lesson from 4 decades in "management" I shudder at the path of destruction you've left in your wake. I know it all too well.
    Riddle me this batman? Where are Europe's wetbacks, or Japan's, France, or Canada's for that matter?

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    Here's San Diego Padres' players reaction... (none / 0) (#24)
    by otherlisa on Sat May 01, 2010 at 04:37:26 PM EST
    Good for them!

    Immigration was about the only area where I felt like Bush had decent policy. And he couldn't get it done.

    Thank you! (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jack E Lope on Sun May 02, 2010 at 08:52:59 AM EST
    I thought Dubya was on the right track on three issues (in 8 years), and one of those was immigration policy.

    For a while, it made me wonder if I had the totally wrong take on immigration....

    Note: on the other two issues, I thought he was going the right direction - but he tacked hard right soon after I thought that.

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    Newest FloridaPoll (none / 0) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Sat May 01, 2010 at 07:31:02 PM EST
    McLaughlin & Associates poll:

    Crist(I) 33%
    Rubio(R) 29%
    Meek(D) 15%.

    Not surprising and the outcome I would expect. There are no runoffs in Florida general elections. If I remember correctly those were stopped by Jeb Bush to save money.

    and (none / 0) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Sat May 01, 2010 at 09:14:07 PM EST
    I have no idea why I put this under baseball, unless maybe Crist wants to try and recruit the Arizona Fall League to Florida

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