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An Unending Power Outage and Open Thread

My neighborhood lost power at 11:30 pm last night. There was a big bang and then blackness. Apparently, a transformer blew. This morning, the lights are on but there's no electricity. No coffee, no tv, no computer power, no clocks. At least it's Friday and I didn't have anyplace special to be.

Supposedly full power will be restored in a few hours. It's kind of eerie. I'm turning the computer off now to save the battery.

Just a reminder to always keep fresh batteries around for your flashlight.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Dang... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:40:34 PM EST
    ...is wish it would have taken out the power to the office!

    We're three weeks into this oil geyser catastrophe and, today, President Obama finally got around to "fuming" -- how fitting.

    Here are a few, none too subtle, headlines from HuffPo's "Oil Spill Big News Page": Obama Fuming...It's Like A Slow-Moving Hurricane...Bomb Designer, Mars Expert Sent To Spill By Obama...Senator BLOCKS Move To Raise BP's Liability...U.S. Allowed Drilling Without Permits...PHOTO: 8-Inch Tar Balls Wash Ashore...Officials Don't Know Where The Underwater Oil [Plume] Is:

    Obama said he shared the "anger and frustration" felt by many Americans, and promised he would "not rest or be satisfied" until the leak had been capped, the spill had been cleaned up and gulf residents could return to their livelihoods. He also acknowledged differing estimates about just how disastrous the damage from the leak could become. He said the administration's response has "always been geared toward the possibility of a catastrophic event."

    Imo, the "administration's response" has been woefully late, and pitifully puny, relative to the gigantitude of this "catastrophic event". One gets the feeling we're being 'softened up' for the truth of the spill which is that there is no technically feasible remedy. In all probability, they will have to let it bleed dry. Today Mother Jones weighs in with a tentative headline, but a strong story, Biggest Oil Spill in History?:

    Is it going to be possible to ever cap the Deepwater Horizon oil blowout? Maybe not, says National Geographic: Matthew Simmons, retired chair of the energy-industry investment banking firm Simmons & Company International said..."We don't have any idea how to stop this"...If the oil can't be stopped, the underground reservoir may continue bleeding until it's dry, Simmons suggested.

    BP's chief executive, Tony Hayward, has estimated that the reservoir holds at least 2 billion gallons of oil. If all of this floods out, it would be the biggest oil spill in history by a huge margin and 20 times bigger than the biggest previous spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Simmons said "the 1979 Ixtoc oil spill spewed 140 million gallons of oil, [it took 9 months to cap] and the well was only about 160 feet deep"...[the BP Spill is 5000 feet deep, which vastly complicates all efforts to stop it].

    The BP spill rate, originally estimated at 50,000 gallons a day and then 210,000 gallons a day, might actually be as much as a million gallons a day -- or maybe even more. But it's hard to tell because BP is using chemical dispersants to send most of the oil to the bottom of the sea...which might end up doing more damage in the long run.

    We all ought to be way beyond "fuming".

    The oil companies have shown that they have no (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:13:53 PM EST
    reliable method of coping with deep water spills like this. Their current leases should be revoked and future ones denied.

    The MMS agency should all be fired for their lax oversight.

    None of that will fix the current spill, but there is another one around the corner since these lax standards have been allowed to exist for so long.

    That's just a start of what the feds would do if Obama shared my anger and frustration.

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    And then what? (none / 0) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:32:09 PM EST
    Nukes? Drilling in ANWR?

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    This right wing obsession (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by jondee on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:45:20 PM EST
    with ANWR is right up there with school vouchers and defunding the NEA and NPR..

    The last estimate I heard was, that at current consumption levels, it would provide oil for 10 to 20 years tops, and, perusual for wingnut talking points, it in no way addresses the underlying problem of unsustainable consumption patterns and and the need to develop alternatives.. The important thing is to have something to flog "enviro-wackos" with..

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    Any thing that could provide oil for (none / 0) (#88)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:12:11 PM EST
    the whole US energy requirement for 20 years is a bid deal. A very big deal.

    I will again make you the same offer I have made before.

    Name me one practical replacement for oil.

    BTW - It always helps an argument when you don't use and example that varies 100%.

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    Some numbers on ANWR and other things (5.00 / 4) (#107)
    by cenobite on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:35:06 PM EST
    There is at most 16 billion bbl of recoverable oil in ANWR area 1002 (per USGS). Today the US uses about 20 million bbl of oil per day. That's about 2.2 years, not 20. And that's the most optimistic projection.

    In the mean case, production from ANWR is projected at 700k bbl/day, which isn't zero but is only 1/3 of Prudhoe Bay at 2m bbl/day and isn't comparable to Ghawar at 5m bbl/day, nor to the US consumption at 20m bbl/day. And that 700k bbl/day number is basically a SWAG -- you can be sure it won't be much higher than that.

    There are multiple technologies for load-leveling variable energy sources (like wind and solar) such as vanadium redox flow batteries which are already in use in Utah, Japan, Tasmania and others.

    Perhaps this is because I studied physics and not petroleum geology but I'm not particularly impressed with the precious uniqueness of petroleum as an energy source from a technical point of view.


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    The issue is (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 15, 2010 at 12:02:51 AM EST
    practicable which leads straight to cost.

    Plus, you are talking about converting the AC to DC, charging the batteries and then inverting the DC to AC for transmission. That would require some huge converters and inverters and the resulting loss in efficiency and increase in price.

    Look, I'm for anything that works and would produce electricity at about 10-12 cents/KWH at the consumer level.

    Same for fuel. We need to be at about the $2.20 level to get the economy going. Above that and the thing starts to go off track.

    It appears that the nearest thing to a solution is to get everyone into a hybrid such as the Pirus. Looks like that would give us a doubling of the fleet MPG average fairly quickly.

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    It's fairly obvious that our current (none / 0) (#95)
    by Raskolnikov on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:38:35 PM EST
    levels of consumption aren't going to change drastically, but rather increase, in the coming years, so I totally agree on this point.  That's why I'm a huge proponent of nuclear energy: while expensive and has issues with storage, it is just about the cleanest thing we have at the moment that we can use in a widespread way.  Alternatives like wind and solar are never going to entirely replace traditional choices like coal, oil and nuclear energy, so our best bet is to focus on how we can make those three at least better for the environment.  

    With that said, I like The Economist's line on a carbon tax, which they feel is a decent insurance policy (projected at less than 1% global GDP) for a potentially problematic environmental situation in the future, and will help to spur innovation toward energy development which is at the moment not economically viable.  It's like the Prius, which lost money when first released and now turns a profit: new technologies need some help, either from government assistance or an entrepreneur, getting off the ground.

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    1% of global GDP is what (none / 0) (#121)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:20:37 PM EST
    percentage of oil, coal, etc., pricing. 10% 20%?

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    Tell me whats "practical" (none / 0) (#105)
    by jondee on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:04:58 PM EST
    in any meaningful sense, about the way we've pursued and utilized fossil fuels (and the way your fellow "conservatives" KEEP wanting to utilize them?)

    Your approach to the problem of energy is similar to your approach to "defense": even if the road obviously leads to a cliff, you want to keep following it because it's the only road "we" know.

    The "replacement" will obviously entail more than one alternative; and NOT just one "energy source" (to keep those SUVs rolling), but a recalibration of the way we understand the issues involved in the need for energy and a marshaling of the   brain power of the planet to develop alternatives.

    If we can make the astounding advances we've made in the last 100 years, we can certainly come up with replacements for fossil fuels.

     

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    I will put you down as unable to answer (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:45:37 PM EST
    Here's a thumb nail...

    Nuclear for electric generation. Works good except we don't have affordable fleets of electric vehicles and the utilities distribution system will have to be doubled to carry the load. That's a big hit on the environment and costly as can be.

    Wind looks good but is expensive. Up in MA they want 20 cents per KWH vs 10% for coal. That means your $200 dollar bill becomes $400. link Plus, no matter how much you want to believe, wind is not reliable. That means a huge costly over build.

    Solar has the same price problems as wind and although it is slightly better on reliability, storage is still limited. So a costly overbuild is required.

    Natural gas to generate electrical power is good but it brings the same problems as nuclear when transportation is considered.

    More coal plants, cheaper but ditto...

    Natural gas for vehicles would work well, but the distribution system is not in place and would cost trillions and there is a slight safety problem.

    Ethanol has replaced about 10% of our gasoline needs but it is costly and has ran the price of corn up to $8.00 a bushel... (I thank you for that.)Countries with a corn based food chain have already had food riots.  And no, saw grass isn't the answer...

    E85, which is 15% ethanol would require extensive and expensive modification to the vehicle's motors. Plus, it starts to border on the problem that alcohol has always had. It mixes with water very well. Fine for cocktails, terrible for fuel storage..

    Now. Your turn.

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    Well, I'm sure all will be fine (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Anne on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:46:13 PM EST
    now that Obama has delivered his scolding to those involved...

    "I did not appreciate what I considered to be a ridiculous spectacle during the congressional hearings into this matter," Obama said, accusing BP, Halliburton and Transocean -- the corporations responsible for, and who stood to make enormous sums of money from, the Deepwater Horizon oil rig before it exploded -- of "falling all over each other" to escape blame for the disaster. "It is pretty clear that the system failed, and it failed badly, and for that, there's enough responsibility to go around."

    Now that we know HE did not appreciate the spectacle, I'm sure it will be a whole new ballgame, because heaven knows it wouldn't be enough that the American people, and those most affected by the spill did not appreciate it.

    I feel so much better now!


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    Yes, but I'm sure this: (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Anne on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:25:35 PM EST
    "For too long -- for a decade or more -- there's been a cozy relationship between the oil companies and the federal agency that permits them to drill," Obama said. "We will trust, but we will verify."

    probably means those invitations are in the mail - you know, kind of like how he "scolded" the insurance and health industry execs in public, and then had them wearing a path to the Oval Office for months as health "reform" was being "worked on."

    Just wait for it - I know it's coming.

    As for "trust, but verify," the only thing that is likely to be verified is that the money keeps on flowing into campaign coffers.  As usual.  And a WH "summit" will be the first step.

    .


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    Is it 3 AM yet? (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:06:35 PM EST
    Gotta love this WaPo headline: U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study -- evidently the country itself, the U.S., just up and allowed BP to perpetrate this atrocity.

    The story does lay some rightful blame on the Interior Department but, astoundingly, the 900 word article does not mention Obama by name -- nor does it ever refer to the President, or the Administration, or the White House (meaning executive branch).  

    The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf...

    "They never did an analysis that took into account what turns out to be the very real possibility of a serious spill," said Holly Doremus, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley who has reviewed the documents...Kierán Suckling, executive director of the environmental group Center for Biological Diversity, said the federal waiver "put BP entirely in control" of the way it conducted its drilling. "The agency's oversight role has devolved to little more than rubber-stamping British Petroleum's self-serving drilling plans"...

    Evidently, WaPo would have us believe these government agencies are driving us over a cliff without any involvement from President Obama. Unbelievable -- and we thought Reagan was the teflon man.

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    April 2009? Yep, this one (none / 0) (#85)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:05:22 PM EST
    cannot be blamed on Bush.  (But someone will try.)

    Admittedly, that's only early months into the Obama administration -- but I seem to recall someone saying that there was a need to be ready from Day One. . . .

    Anyway, thanks for the date and details on this.  I caught the end of a report on it on the teevee and wondered just when this comfy li'l exclusion had been granted, make that tied up in a big bow and gifted to BP.

    Btw, CNN also has a whistleblower fired from BP who is asserting that BP also lied about tests of its safety.

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    Ken Salazar should be asked (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by MKS on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:35:21 PM EST
    some tough questions.  He was in place at the Department of the Interior in late January 2009.  No EIS for such a deep well?

      Now, maybe the MMM bureaucrats were still impervious to supervision, and the Democrats only had been in power a few weeks.  But still....  

    christine perhaps could give us her take...

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    And how he scolded Exelon and told constituents in (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:35:20 PM EST
    Illinois that he would take strong actions, create measures to protect the drinking water from the tritium leaks.

    Until he met with the execs at Exelon and the Repubs on his committee, and he then came out for...ta dah!...stong voluntary compliance with regulations.

    Yeah, that's the ticket.

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    Yeah, Anne (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:35:45 PM EST
    What Donald from Hawaii said.

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    Hey, it was a step up (none / 0) (#39)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:06:23 PM EST
    from a sternly worded letter, anyway.

    This is so appalling.  Once again, I am ashamed of what we as a nation are doing to Mother Nature.

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    Can you say "kabuki", boys and girls? (none / 0) (#56)
    by Joan in VA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:36:34 PM EST
    I knew that you could.

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    Why Kabuki? (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:54:00 PM EST
    Do you think that Obama and his WH pals, with winks and nods from Democratic Senators and House members, have written the script along with Sen. Lisa Murkowski and Sen Mary Landrieu, knowing all the time that Nelson, and Menendez's bill would be blocked.

    And do you think that the Kabuki script written by Obama in a back room, has a dramatic ending where the taxpayers wind up pick up the tab big oil spills, while Obama, Nelson, and the rest of the fake environmentalists sob and cry unfair unfair.

    Is Gore in on your Kabuki dream as well?

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    Why not? (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Joan in VA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:47:48 PM EST
    Last month, he said offshore drilling was safe so he opened up more areas for drilling. More recently, this disaster occurred so he said moratorium on new permits. New permits are still being issued during this crisis. Today, he comes out in his Rose Garden and gives a phony tongue-lashing to some suits-the same suits who are supposed to fix this mess. He has kept video of the gusher from the public because it shows that offshore drilling isn't safe. Rather than admit that, keep the focus on the companies' responsibility to make it right. Even though it will never be right-no matter how much money is extracted from them. It just seems like theater to me.

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    Not Really (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:46:07 PM EST
    He allowed some of the offshore areas that already had contracts from BushCo to proceed. The GOP slammed Obama for not opening up more.

    It was classic Obama appearing to appease the GOP with the hope that they would shut up, and vote for his energy bill. Of course, we all know by now that this is absurd because the GOP will never take anything as a bargaining chip, they want all or nothing.

    This acquiescence blew up in Obama's face. Digby said it better than I could.

    But to call it Kabuki, suggests that Obama is 100% behind the GOP in drill baby drill, which seems more like politics on your part than Kabuki on Obama's part.

    Democrats need to stop trying to be clever. They aren't good at it. The split the baby approach on offshore drilling has resulted in the Obama Administration owning this environmental disaster, and it was for nothing. They were never going to get Republicans to vote for any kind of climate change legislation this year, not even Lindsay, who I would bet a hundred dollars would have ended up "having" to vote against it because somebody "betrayed" him if it did manage to get to the floor. It's a fools game to try to finesse these right wingers.

    digby

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    I wish I could vote more than once (none / 0) (#103)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:01:41 PM EST
    and give this comment several more "5"s.  This is exactly how it seems to me. Theater. But when the real damage starts to be even more apparent, then that theater might not work as well.

    Obama said it was a systemic failure and no one is [completely] at fault. Saying that the companies are rejecting being blamed (at the certain insistence of their lawyers) is not "appreciated" means what? They don't care if he appreciates it or not. Its like saying Wall Street should be nicer.

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    Yes, Yes and No (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ellie on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:23:17 PM EST
    This has been another installment of simple answers to simple questions.

    (Dragging Gore in? Really?)

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    Kabuki (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:28:12 PM EST
    Often has gore. Fake of course, but that seems to be the theme here.

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    Ohhhhh, wotta save! n/t (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ellie on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:06:27 PM EST
    Yes, it is kabuki to lash out (none / 0) (#115)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:30:04 PM EST
    at BP and the industry, deservedly so -- but to distract from the flagrant errors of Obama's own administration with the exclusion that Obama's Interior Dept gave to BP.

    I did not see a similar lashing out at what Obama actually can do something about, and immediately -- as now we read that the drilling permits still are being issued.  Probably the exclusions, too.

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    OK (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:49:13 PM EST
    So you are saying that the Obama is aligned with big oil and everything coming out of the WH regarding the spill is just to deflect the public from finding out that Obama believes that the taxpayers should pay for the cleanup, and that the oil companies should develop more offshore wells without any regulation or oversite?  Like in the Alaskan NWR. IOW Obama has the same agenda as BushCo, but he is making believe that it is different?

    That is Political Kabuki as it has been used in the blogosphere.

    Perhaps you are using a more nuanced definition, but if you are using Kabuki as it has been used, Obama is clearly not doing Kabuki around the oil spill.

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    Your comment is what you're saying (none / 0) (#120)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 10:22:07 PM EST
    not me.  Why the need, again and again, to rewrite what others say in your way and then claim it is what they say?

    Weird.

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    No (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 11:51:32 PM EST
    My comment is directed to you. What is political Kabuki to you:?

    WASHINGTON--President Barack Obama angrily criticized the federal government's "cozy relationship" with the oil industry, saying he would end a Minerals Management Service practice that allows companies to drill offshore without properly assessing potential threats to protected sea life...

    Do you think he is making secret deals with BP and the other oil companies, and suggesting to congress that the regs are far too strict? That would be Kabuki.

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    Yeah, aloha. (none / 0) (#65)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:12:10 PM EST
    That means goodbye - and hello, unfortunately ;-)

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    As the horse (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:38:15 PM EST
    gallops away into the distance we can hear the gate slamming:

        "Now, from the day he took office as Interior Secretary, Ken Salazar has recognized these problems and he's worked to solve them.  Oftentimes he has been slammed by the industry, suggesting that somehow these necessary reforms would impede economic growth.  Well, as I just told Ken, we are going to keep on going to do what needs to be done.

        "And so I've asked Secretary Salazar to conduct a top-to-bottom reform of the Minerals Management Service.  This week, he announced that the part of the agency which permits oil and gas drilling and collects royalties will be separated from the part of the agency in charge of inspecting the safety of oil rigs and platforms and enforcing the law.  That way, there's no conflict of interest, real or perceived.



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    So, you would agree we (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by MKS on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:36:09 PM EST
    need significantly MORE environmental regulation, right?

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    DId you read my comment? (none / 0) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 15, 2010 at 12:10:28 AM EST
    I mean it looks like the evil market place overcame the hard working Sec of Interior...

    ;-)

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    I don't know..... (none / 0) (#83)
    by ZtoA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:55:21 PM EST
    He hasn't really said anything. He is going to put his foot down and not "appreciate" parties that are going to pass the buck? OK, fine. Then the part about it is a shared fault. Well, everyone already knows that. And everyone knows the for-profit industries are going to try to pass as much blame as possible. Their lawyers are insisting on it. Looks as if Obama is trying to do the same. We all equally share the blame, but some more equally share it than others. Meanwhile, this is a current problem. The blame part is who is going to pay and what the future of regulation will look like. If the "system failed" then what is he proposing?

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    Well, Donald, we shall see. (none / 0) (#98)
    by Anne on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:52:58 PM EST
    I read this morning (and I'm not sure where) that oil drilling permits have continued to be issued, even since the disaster, although I did find this later today:

    In the wake of the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, the Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service (MMS) has continued to issue "categorical exclusions" for oil companies, allowing them to bypass the last stage of environmental review before proceeding with drilling projects, an Interior Department official told ABC News Wednesday.

    But, the official emphasized, the problem is current law, which only gives the Department of the Interior 30 days to conduct the final review.

    With the resources and that amount of time, it's not really possible to conduct a full environmental impact, said the Interior Department official, who spoke to ABC News on condition of anonymity.

    Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said Tuesday that he is submitting a proposal to Congress that among other steps would "increase MMS's authority to review exploration plans that companies submit.  Currently, MMS is required by Congressional mandate to review exploration plans within 30 days.  We want to increase the review period to 90 days, with an option to extend, to provide more time to conduct additional environmental analysis on exploration plans. Additional time to review exploration plans would supplement additional environmental reviews that are conducted at several stages of the leasing and development process."

    Critics say the Interior Department needs to be more aggressive.

    Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Tucson, Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity, told ABC News that the Interior Department is in fact able to conduct reviews in 30 days, as they do in Alaska.

    "They have 30 days and instead they do an approval in 24 hours" with the exemption, Suckling said. "They're just rubber-stamping this stuff."

    [snip]

    "It is inconceivable that MMS could look out its window at what is likely the worst oil spill in American history, then rubber stamp new BP drilling permits based on BP's patently false statements that an oil spill cannot occur and would not be dangerous if it did," Suckling said. "Heads need to start rolling at MMS."

    Suckling says that since April 20, 2010, the day of the BP disaster, MMS has approved 27 new offshore drilling projects, 26 of which were approved "under the same environmental review exemption used to approve the disastrous BP drilling that is fouling the Gulf and its wildlife."

    [snip]

    Suckling said that for "Secretary Salazar to allow MMS to exempt 26 new oil wells from environmental review in the midst of the ongoing Gulf crisis shows an extraordinary lapse of judgment. It is inconceivable that his attention is apparently on providing BP with new environmentally exempted offshore oil wells instead of shutting down the corrupt process which put billion of dollars into BP's pocket and millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico."

    So, Obama claims that Salazar has been working on this since he took the Cabinet position; am I the only one who finds that hard to believe?

    And, Donald, it is the president's pattern to scold whatever particular industry is in the cross-hairs - the financial industry, the health insurance industry - to gain maximum optics, and then...when the cameras are off and the microphones have been put away, it all falls apart, or, it turns out that it was mostly just talk.

    Yes, I reacted to what I read in Salon, and yes, I did not read the totality of Obama's remarks, and maybe I should have; but the sad truth is that I don't trust what he says, because he doesn't seem to ever back it up.

    That has nothing to do with journalistic tactics, Donald, that has to do with Obama's track record; if you can show me that this is not his pattern, or that what he says has proved to be to the benefit of those of us without the power and influence of the corporate world, I would be happy to be informed.

    [and can I just say - if "Suckling" was my last name, I would change it]

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    Candiate Obama on government regulations (none / 0) (#117)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:47:48 PM EST
    OBAMA: Well, I think there are a whole host of areas where Republicans in some cases may have a better idea.

    WALLACE: Such as?

    OBAMA: Well, on issues of regulation. I think that back in the '60s and '70s a lot of the way we regulated industry was top-down command and control, we're going to tell businesses exactly how to do things.

    And you know, I think that the Republican Party and people who thought about the markets came up with the notion that, "You know what? If you simply set some guidelines, some rules and incentives, for businesses -- let them figure out how they're going to, for example, reduce pollution," and a cap and trade system, for example is a smarter way of doing it, controlling pollution, than dictating every single rule that a company has to abide by, which creates a lot of bureaucracy and red tape and oftentimes is less efficient. link



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    Corporate responsibility - sure thing (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:57:51 PM EST
    Transocean, the owner of the Deepwater Horizon rig that exploded and is still spewing millions of gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico, is sending a message loud and clear: it intends to assume very little financial responsibility for the disaster. In a filing submitted to a federal court in Houston this week, the company has invoked an obscure, 159-year-old law to contend that it should only have to pay for the cost of salvaging the debris of the rig from the ocean.
    ...
    In a statement, Transocean said the court petition was filed at the request of its insurance companies, and the petition will allow the company to consolidate all outstanding lawsuits before a single federal judge in Houston. The company said it now faces more than 100 lawsuits over the spill in several states.

    Lawyers for those injured in the blast said the petition could also prevent any claims filed more than six months after the accident. link



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    "Fuming" not where it counts (none / 0) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:10:15 PM EST
    The US government as a total body may be completely foolhardy and tone deaf. In the wake of the Horizon disaster, sadly, a Federal court has allowed Shell to move forward on drilling in the Arctic without a murmur from the Congress or White House. Even as a semi-submersible (a la the Horizon) Venezuelan gas rig has sunk to the bottom of the sea the US government is moving forward with legislation that will allow new offshore oil drilling to proceed. Two rigs sinking in one month is not warning enough for the Federal government on the dangers of oil drilling, even as one of the disasters continues to pour an unknown amount of oil into the water. It is clear that, between the courts, the executive branch, and the Congress, that there will be no move to halt offshore oil drilling. The US as a body will move forward on more drilling even as poll after poll shows that the public opposes this environmental menace and wants development of clean, green energy sources. The prospect of the failure of BP's containment dome - the best hope for a near-term response to greatly mitigate the worst well leak - simply does not hold sufficient weight with the heavily lobbied US government. link


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    The US gov't can't send a sub down to find out (none / 0) (#28)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:22:37 PM EST
    details? Huh? They have to wait for BP to invite them???

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    The WH has a live video feed in the (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Joan in VA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:30:39 PM EST
    Situation Room of the largest gusher and has had it almost from the beginning. ABC has been trying to get some of the video but the WH and BP wouldn't let them have it likely because it shows that they have been grossly underestimating the amount of oil spewing forth to the public. The WH finally allowed a 30-second clip to be released yesterday. There really aren't any details for a sub to see-just oil gushing out of a miles-long pipe drilled into the earth. But, yeah, the gov  leaving BP in charge of Oilmageddon is outrageous. Apparently, when Big Oil buys pols, they stay bought.


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    Joan of VA -- Do you have a link for this info? I (none / 0) (#94)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:38:03 PM EST
    was wondering how that gusher video got out, thot it was from BP...But it's from the WH or a coordinated release of the 30 seconds?

    Ohhhh, thank you for finding this, and would much appreciate a link.

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    FDL has a good write up on this (none / 0) (#108)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:42:01 PM EST
    White House Allowed BP to Keep Video of Gushing Pipe from Public for Three Weeks

    Brian Ross and John Soloman of the Center for Public Integrity discussed ABC's quest to obtain the video of the oil pipe and revealed that the White House consented to the release of a 30 second clip of the pipe. Must see ABC video highlights the the industry and government knew for years from tests conducted that the worst case scenario procedures did not work.

    "At the end of the day, the White House finally acquiesced to the 30 second piece because they understood the political and media pressure," said CPI's John Soloman. "Why not sooner? It's been going on for three weeks. People have seen this internally within government almost every day. Why can't the American people see it?"


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    I am gobsmacked! But, hey, it's just another thing (none / 0) (#114)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:18:29 PM EST
    right out of BushCo.

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    In case you have not noticed (none / 0) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 15, 2010 at 12:08:23 AM EST
    Bush is not the President and Obama has been so for 16 months...

    And he ran on hope and CHANGE.

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    Good question - why hasn't that (none / 0) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:43:52 PM EST
    initial step even been taken? Has any of the nooze media even asked that kind of question?


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    So we went to the beach and drank margaritas. Was kind of a pain to reset all the clocks when we got home, though...

    Batteries? For flashlights? (none / 0) (#2)
    by oldpro on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:38:00 PM EST
    You could always rob the kitchen clock or one of the remotes.

    is this for real? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:55:48 PM EST
    I am surprised we have not heard more about it if so

    A mosque rises over Ground Zero.

    Plans are under way for a Muslim house of worship, topped by a 13-story cultural center with a swimming pool, in a building damaged by the fuselage of a jet flown by extremists into the World Trade Center.



    Big news here... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:16:21 PM EST
    with many letters to the editor from the bent out of shape...I'd certainly prefer a casino to a mosque, but no big deal to me.

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    I dont really care either (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:18:33 PM EST
    but I am surprised Glen Becks head has not literally exploded.

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    Not the only story... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:22:55 PM EST
    lost in the Times Square bomb, Gulf Oil Spill and Arizona shuffle...nobody is really talking about the flooding in Tennessee either...that place is f*cked up.

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    He's too busy looking... (none / 0) (#14)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:23:02 PM EST
    ...for Nazi's under his bed and around every corner.  

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    I assume you saw Lewis Black (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:35:22 PM EST
    awsum
    I want to have Lewis Blacks ugly angry babies.


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    Excellent video (none / 0) (#40)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:07:45 PM EST
    that almost made fall off my chair laughing.

    Loved the end.  Glenn, just STFU and go into hiding, and we'll let you know when it's safe to come out again!

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    Roach Motel Mentality? (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:22:45 PM EST
    They figure that the criminals always return to the scene of the crime..
    Well, no doubt they already have FISA permission to wire the whole place for eavesdropping and video surveillance. Also part of the plan, is a secret underground jihad propaganda center run by the cia, inviting loonies from all over the world to come to the mosque and conspire for world domination. Of course there will be onsite secret underground prison cells, torture devices etc.

    An all in one terrorist trap, that'll outsmart em. Of course it will never work, but once the morons figure that out, we may have figured out how to try and convict CHeney, Bush, et al for war crimes. They can serve their terms in the WTC underground Mosque prison.

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    If I was in the mood... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:41:51 PM EST
    to play tyrant for a day, I'd switch up the zoning laws to keep houses of worship away from schools and residential areas...like they've done to the nudie bars and dirty book shops.

    Think of the children!

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    Looks from comments we have nothing on the Swiss-- (none / 0) (#97)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:52:28 PM EST
    Their vote against towers on mosques seemed pretty prejudiced from here...to me definitely.  

    But looks like we can do the same kind of thing.

    The location is referred to as the old Burleighton Coat Building. I can't find an address, but it is near the World Trade Center site, and the building was damaged by airplane debris on Sept. 11, 2001. It is not at Ground Zero, as we commonly know that term to indicate.

    A rally against the mosque is planned for June 6, D-Day, by the human-rights group Stop Islamicization of America. Executive director Pamela Geller said, "What could be more insulting and humiliating than a monster mosque in the shadow of the World Trade Center buildings that were brought down by an Islamic jihad attack? Any decent American, Muslim or otherwise, wouldn't dream of such an insult. It's a stab in the eye of America."

    Called Cordoba House, the mosque and center is the brainchild of the American Society for Muslim Advancement. Executive director Daisy Khan insists it's staying put.

    This ought to interesting....

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    Busy day... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 12:59:46 PM EST
    on the tyranny beat in NY State yesterday...a 300 agent raid in upstate Newburgh, 100-odd agent raid in the BX...the first time this new "kingpin" law will be used.  

    Hate to see all this money get seized out of the community...some of it ends up supporting local grocers, retailers, nightclubs, etc.  Not like it does a lick of good...some new distributors are setting up shop as I type...the people want their dope.

    Tough economy just got tougher.  And in the BX case at least, alotta the dough was coming from out of state distributors...this helps NY.

    Oh well...nobody cares.  Lock 'em up, lock 'em up, lock 'em up.

    J, you can still get on the 'net (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:02:54 PM EST
    with no power? Our internet connection is through a box of some type that needs power. No power, no internet.

    I was wondering that too (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:17:18 PM EST
    Maybe she has cell phone network tethering.

    Which ATT still needs to get working for my iPhone. C'mon!!!

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    Re flashlights, no need for batteries (none / 0) (#7)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:05:51 PM EST
    as I learned in years in this old part of my city with the oldest equipment, so lots of outages -- only to find the kids had raided the flashlights for the batteries for their games or something.  Arrgghhh.  And I always have candles around, too, but they can be dangerous, of course -- plus kids literally playing with matches was not a plus.

    I found flashlights that are charged electrically, with flipout prongs, to keep always plugged into outlets.  When the power goes and the outlet is dead, the flashlight is fully charged for hours ahead.  I got several for at least one on each floor of the house plus one in each bedroom.

    I hope your outage ends soon.  No fun with a full fridge! (be sure to keep the door closed).  But how weird that the lights are on -- you have unusual outages there.:-)  

    p.s. also glad that when a transformer blew (none / 0) (#8)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:07:44 PM EST
    it did not catch fire, apparently?  That happened here a few months ago, and the transformer fire arced to a lovely old tree that went up in flames.  Fortunately, the fire did not spread to any homes.

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    those things can get old and not (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:09:02 PM EST
    hold a charge for long.  I have flashlights in my "emergency packs", yes living in SoCal I learned to have one in my  house and car, that have trigger like things that you squeeze and it spins something inside.

    they work great.  great wrist strengthening exercise too.

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    I gave up on cordless phones... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:27:25 PM EST
    for that reason...last one of those I had wouldn't hold a charge for sh*t, had all the bells and whistles, but bells and whistles don't make and receive calls.

    I'm back to corded non-plug in type...old school.  They work in a power outage too.  And cheap cheap cheap if you can find a store that still sells 'em....that was the hard part.

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    Mine is awful too (none / 0) (#18)
    by ruffian on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:31:55 PM EST
    If I'm talking on it for more than 30 minutes it starts to lose charge and beep at me. I have an old fashioned one too I keep in the closet for emergencies.

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    Have to laugh (none / 0) (#25)
    by BarnBabe on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:14:13 PM EST
    During hurricanes Francis and Jean, I could not get hold of my Aunt after wards because she uses cordless telephones. I finally got a hold of a cousin on his cell and told him to take a land line phone over to his Moms. He went over there and she managed to find a blue bottom and a pink receiver. Worked well. Thanks Western Electric. Those phones never quit. I keep my land line phone too. My friend has the broadband phone and no cell. When her electric goes out she loses her phone too.I should say that we lose our electric about 3-4 times a year. It's the country.


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    I have backup batteries for my cable phone system- (none / 0) (#26)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:15:52 PM EST
    haven't had to check it out yet, thank goodness. Had power outage, but didn't have any need to use the phone....

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    Yeah, I had one. When I needed it, it didn't work. (none / 0) (#99)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:53:27 PM EST
    There was indication in the user's guide that it tended to wear out over time.

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    Ooops -- no idication batteries would wear out (none / 0) (#116)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:30:43 PM EST
    over time. And this is one of those plug in stand-by flashlights...with big, bright bulb.

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    Really? I must have lucked (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:24:00 PM EST
    into a good brand.  Working great, holding charge well, after years here.

    And yes, I have seen the squeezy ones and have thought about it -- but with occasional carpal tunnel syndrome flareups, sounds like not good for me.  Appreciate the tip that they need strong wrists.

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    Nickel-based batteries need to be used up (none / 0) (#35)
    by denise k on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:42:12 PM EST
    regularly so that they keep holding a charge.  I am told by my engineer brother in law that they need to be completely drained every month or two especially at first so that they don't develop a "memory" or something like that that prevents them from keeping a charge.  As a result, and since I am no engineer to question what he tells me, I make a habit of running batteries completely out several times when I first get a gadget and once in a while thereafter.  It seems to help the batteries keep a charge.  It is easier to keep constantly charging the battery, but it is not necessarily good for the batteries.  

    Any engineers who can back me up?  I know it sounds like an old wives' tale, but I believe my brother-in-law when it comes to gadgetry.  

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    sounds plausible (none / 0) (#38)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:51:14 PM EST
    I was told the same thing when I got my cell phone.  That I should wait until the battery was dead to charge it - and then charge it all the way before unplugging it.  Of course that's great in theory but we don't always have that luxury.

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    Must be the type of battery (none / 0) (#41)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:09:20 PM EST
    that I just got for my netbook, with instructions to run it all the way down the first few times.  Now I know why.

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    Best Buy will sell you a battery back up system (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:27:56 PM EST
    for about $100 that should power your cell phone master station which can charge the phones and your computer and modem for about 6 hours. Plus you have extra gas tube protection for three or four other items..

    But keeping an old fashioned phone tucked away is a good idea for extended outages.

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    Oh, I won't give up my wired phone (none / 0) (#87)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:07:48 PM EST
    as we can have outages here for days, if we get hit with a major winter storm.  As we tend to do.

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    Except you do have to pay the ground wired telco (none / 0) (#101)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:56:47 PM EST
    for the privilege of the one phone.

    A few years ago, an official at Verizon said they were going to offer a lower rate single line, with extremely limited usage, to those who wanted to use Voice Over Internet.

    When I called about it, prior to going with the cable phone system, I was told there was not such thing, that a single line would cost me, iirc, close $40/month total. I passed on that. Insurance of $10-ish would seem worth it -- not $40.

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    Though... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:31:48 PM EST
    a local blackout of NY Jets games would be very uncool, I'm damn proud of my fellow Jet fans for not caving to PSL extortion...drop the PSL's Woody, or at least drop the price of 'em 90% or so.  I wouldn't be so confident they're gonna sell in time...we're Jet fans, we're stubborn...ya have to be to stick with them after 40 years of near constant disappointment.

    You ought to read (none / 0) (#51)
    by scribe on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:04:42 PM EST
    this really hilarious takedown on the differences between the draft day parties thrown by the NYJ and the NYG.  The short version is the NYJ had two parties - one for the suckers who'd already bought their PSLs and one for those who had not.  The latter was populated by a few fans and many ticket/PSL salesmen and charged for everything.  The former was exceedingly plush and nearly vacant, entry barred by security to all but those who had their PSLs.

    The NYG, OTOH, were really hospitable.

    No wonder the NYJ games will be blacked out at home.

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    Excellent and... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:18:19 PM EST
    totally spot on article...Thanks.

    I'll always bleed Kelly Green, but the ownership s*cks and sullies the devotion...no doubt about it.

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    I hearken back to, what was it, 1998 (none / 0) (#84)
    by scribe on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:05:08 PM EST
    when the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS had Vinnie Testaverde and Bill Parcells and were expected, pre-season, to Go All The Way.  "Vinnie and the Jets!" the ad campaign went. They made a good playoff drive the year before and built smart, for a change, coming in to the season looking like the class of the league and not afraid of it.

    And then in the first game of the season (at home), maybe the first drive, Vinnie stumbled on a hot dog wrapper or one of Jimmy Hoffa's finger bones (it was near the east end zone) or something, and destroyed his leg (achilles rupture, IIRC) and with it the season.  They had some backup - #6, I recall, name I don't - who managed to take snaps and hand off and throw the occasional pass and they came out somewhere in the .500 neighborhood.  hey had to show up so as to be part of the league, you know.  But they came nowhere near their expectations.  The sound of that snapping tendon was also the sound of that last expectation breaking everything (camel's back and so on) and starting the imploding avalanche of despair and loss that is the norm in J-E-T-S Land.

    I'm waiting for something similar - a low-probability/high-impact event - to hit the Sanchize.  Or an earthquake will suddenly cause Revis Island to sink, Atlantis-like, below the waves.  Not hoping, mind you.  It's just bound to happen.  These are the Jets, and this smells lk 1998 all over again.

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    Tovah Feldschuh's "Golda's Balcony" (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:47:55 PM EST
    is playing here.  Yeah.  

    Saw it on tour here (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:16:39 PM EST
    with Valerie Harper.  A very special stop for the tour, here in my town where little Goldie Mabowecz arrived from the pogroms when she was eight years old, where she grew up, where she returned to have her public school named for her, to this day.

    I love teaching the story of little Goldie in  local history courses, so students know why her name is all over their campus, her alma mater -- where she first became involved in Zionist activities that led her to immigrate again in 1920 to the future land that she would lead.  I have a great photo of her in a local Jewish Community Center program on a Fourth of July, when she was in full costume as the Statue of Liberty!

    That and too much else of her story here is not in the play, unfortunately.:-)  But it's well worth seeing.  Enjoy.

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    See Digby on Gen. McChyrstal's (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2010 at 01:52:20 PM EST
    "faith-based" assessment of status in Afghanistan.

    link

    Military Tracy and BTD:  what say you?

    And the question, (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Raskolnikov on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:57:51 PM EST
    rather than Digby's misleading and oversimplified "What would constitute winning" was:

    "To what extend does our military success there depend on the Afghan people believing they have a strong and effective government?"

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    Without the context (none / 0) (#100)
    by Raskolnikov on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:55:02 PM EST
    That's a pretty narrow reading of what he said overall.  He was responding to a specific question and his response wasn't unreasonable IMO.

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    Jeralyn, Obama wants mandatory charges for any (none / 0) (#27)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:21:19 PM EST
    traces of cannabis, including metabolites, while driving. Even those that have no ability to impair drivers' functions.

    From HuffPo. By Russ Belville of NORML.

    More convictions! Wheeeeee!!


    Jeralyn Covered It (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:27:04 PM EST
    Thanks, my search term must have been really lousy (none / 0) (#104)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:03:36 PM EST
    And I did't scroll far enough back.

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    Sh*t Don... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:49:16 PM EST
    I better shave every hair on my body and swap out all my blood in Switzerland, like that Human Riff urban legend...otherwise I'm so f*cked...according to Obama I'm a constant threat under constant "impairment" who should be in chains whenever I slip the whip outta park.

    It's allright...the feeling is mutual Big O...you're a constant threat under the constant impairment of being beholden to nefarious interests...but I won't wish the chains on ya, I am trying to stay halfway clean in a filthy world...you should try it bro, it feels good.

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    NBC sux (none / 0) (#46)
    by jbindc on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:27:00 PM EST
    They were going to try and set the record for the longest running show.  Probably needed to make room for another stupid "reality" show - "Big Brother is watching your Bachelor fo a Wife Swap and sleep with the Nanny"

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    Whew! (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:53:45 PM EST
    NBC may have canceled L&O, but they are replacing it with LOLA (Law & Order Los Angeles - wonder if they can run into the NCIS folks out there?)

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    You punk! (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:41:49 PM EST
    Holding little blues all this time and not sharing...I won't soon forget that Don!

    I thought he gave up the Reds...hence the increase in tobacco taxes, the insufferable reformed user increase.  That means you will need a co-signer to buy a pack in NYC if he ever does really quit....smoke 'em if ya got 'em Barry.

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    Nah, he still smokes. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Joan in VA on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:47:45 PM EST
    He must smoke menthols because they were omitted from the flavor ban. Well, that and Philip Morris makes a ton of them. I only wish he smoked cloves. I enjoyed those from time to time. Stupid nanny country.

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    as a non cig smoker (none / 0) (#58)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:50:52 PM EST
    I must say, cloves smell way better than regular ones.  Much less offensive to the senses.

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    Not My Senses (none / 0) (#61)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:56:42 PM EST
    some MJ, all hashish, and some incense, ok.. but tobacco and cloves stinky..  

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    to each his/her own i guess (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Fri May 14, 2010 at 04:59:33 PM EST
    the only one that really bothers me is cigs.  I don't mind the rest, even enjoy them to some degree or another.  But then again, I also like the smell of gasoline and basements.

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    its weird (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:06:49 PM EST
    cigs never used to bother me.  I even casually smoked at one point in my life
    but now
    I dont even like driving behind someone smoking with the windows down.

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    Yup. (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:51:17 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:18:44 PM EST
    You would love the Comme des Garçons fragrance series 6: Synthetic: Particularly Tar, and Garage..  

    Don't think just grease, oil and rubber, Garage is much more than that. Think of your father working on a car, an old leather chair, or your grandparent's toolshed. With notes of laurel aldehyde, traces of kerosene, leather notes, plastic floral notes, vetiver acetate, and Chinese cedarwood. Series 6 Synthetic: Garage is an eau de toilette, edt.

    The smell of hot asphalt on a speedway, mixed in with exhaust and hot leather. Tar is for those who like the smell of a crowded, polluted city. With notes of town gas, bitumen, bergamot, earth notes, opoponax, styrax, grilled cigarettes and pyrogenic notes. Series 6 Synthetic: Tar is an eau de toilette, edt.

    I like their line of fragrances in general, these are good ones...

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    Love the smell of gasoline... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:22:03 PM EST
    hell yeah.

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    You and Bobby Fuller (none / 0) (#71)
    by jondee on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:25:28 PM EST
    (there's a reference for you)

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    Seriously kdog (none / 0) (#73)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:26:35 PM EST
    If you ever pass one of those places that have fashion stuff, check out the Comme des Garçons Series 6: Synthetic, Garage and Tar and have a free spray... you would probably love the smell.. The packaging is pretty cool too.

    Oh and all their fragrances are unisex.

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    Thats wild... (none / 0) (#78)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:38:17 PM EST
    if there ever was a perfume I'd wear, that would be it...but that sh*t'll kill ya:)  I'm only wearing deodarant as a courtesy for my fellow human beings, but no mas.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:48:39 PM EST
    I only wear the stuff as deodorant too, out of kindness... It's  pricey but I can't stand the smell of the cheap stuff..  

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    Filling my tank... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 05:41:32 PM EST
    in the morning, feeling extra guilty due to the Gulf.  But that aroma sure is pleasin'.

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    Gasoline = instant nausea (none / 0) (#90)
    by Cream City on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:20:43 PM EST
    and sometimes migraine for me.  Isn't it odd how different the reactions from our senses can be?  I have heard people who say they love the smell.  For me, it's grab-a-bag-quick, I-may-be-sick.  Instantly.

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    How do you know the (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 14, 2010 at 06:13:46 PM EST
    replacement blood would be clean?

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    What? And replace it with another sucky reality (none / 0) (#106)
    by jawbone on Fri May 14, 2010 at 07:06:49 PM EST
    program? Er, joke?

    I've found that Law & Order was always a pretty dependable thing I could comfortably slide into when I just wanted some drama to watch.  Oh, well.

    NBC has been making terribly good decisions in the recent past, so this makes sense.

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    rock and roll friday (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 02:36:13 PM EST
    Mental_floss takes a look at seven bands and their colorful drummers.

    the first two on the list are, of course, Keith Moon and John Bonham.  
    two personal stories.

    Keith Moon.
    the Who played a great outdoor venue when I was in St Louis.  my group got there early and got a place close to the stage.  but sort of behind it.  near Keith.  we had a smorgasbord of drugs and alcohol and at one point we were drinking champagne.  I took the bottle up and offered it to Keith.
    he instantly grabbed it out of my hand drank about half of it, poured the rest over his head and threw the bottle into the audience all without missing a beat.

    John Bohham
    this again involves getting to a concert without assigned seating early.  this time in Amsterdam.  it was a giant roller rink and the band played on the middle of the floor with people sitting all around them and again we were sort of in the back but so close that Bonham was splashing me with sweat as he played the drums with his hands.

    ahhh
    good times.

    FWIW... (none / 0) (#111)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 14, 2010 at 08:03:13 PM EST
    Bonham's son, Jason, is in a "super" group of his own--Black Country.  The guitarist, Joe Bonamassa, is pretty darn good.  Here he is side-by-side with one of the GOAT's so you can be the judge.  

    /my humble contribution to rock and/or roll Friday.

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    excellent (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:31:00 PM EST
    Governor out to rebrand Arizona over immigration law criticism

    Acknowledging that Arizona has developed a serious image problem because of its tough new immigration law, Gov. Jan Brewer and tourism-industry leaders said Thursday that they will launch a new effort to stanch the flow of lost trade and convention business in the state.

    "It's up to us to get the truth out there. This is impacting Arizona's face to the nation," said Brewer



    I can't wait to see... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Fri May 14, 2010 at 03:47:56 PM EST
    what the ad wizards come up with to dress up that pig.

    I got a T-shirt idea for 'em..."I went to Arizona and all I got was a moldy bologna sandwich in an overcrowded holding cell."

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