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"I wanted to destroy everything beautiful I'd never have," wrote Chuck Palahniuk in his novel,"'Fight Club." "Burn the Amazon rain forest. Pump chlorofluorocarbons straight up to gobble the ozone. Open the dump valves on supertankers and uncap offshore oil wells. I wanted to kill all the fish I couldn't afford to eat, and smother the French beaches. I wanted the whole world to hit bottom ... I wanted to breathe smoke. I wanted to burn the Louvre. I'd do the Elgin Marbles with a sledgehammer and wipe my ass with the Mona Lisa. This is my world, now." This is our world now, indeed. All those terrible things Palahniuk's protagonist wanted to do, well, most of them are happening or have already happened. The Louvre is still there, for now, and neither the Marbles nor the "Mona Lisa" have been violated, but as for the rest of that rant ... yeah, they're pretty much fact.
This is our world now, indeed. All those terrible things Palahniuk's protagonist wanted to do, well, most of them are happening or have already happened. The Louvre is still there, for now, and neither the Marbles nor the "Mona Lisa" have been violated, but as for the rest of that rant ... yeah, they're pretty much fact.
De Sade
I'd say we're getting there. Parent
With extraordinary lucidity [Durtal] revisualized the picture ... the Christ rose before him, formidable, on a rude cross of barky wood, the arm an untrimmed branch bending like a bow under the weight of the body. This branch seemed about to spring back and mercifully hurl afar from our cruel, sinful world the suffering flesh held to earth by the enormous spike piercing the feet. Dislocated, almost ripped out of their sockets, the arms of the Christ seemed trammelled by the knotty cords of the straining muscles. The laboured tendons of the armpits seemed ready to snap. The fingers, wide apart, were contorted in an arrested gesture in which were supplication and reproach but also benediction. The trembling thighs were greasy with sweat. The ribs were like staves, or like the bars of a cage, the flesh swollen, blue, mottled with flea-bites, specked as with pin-pricks by spines broken off from the rods of the scourging and now festering beneath the skin where they had penetrated. [...] This lockjaw Christ was not the Christ of the rich, the Adonis of Galilee, the exquisite dandy, the handsome youth with the curly brown tresses, divided beard, and insipid doll-like features, whom the faithful have adored for four centuries. This was the Christ of Justin, Basil, Cyril, Tertullian, the Christ of the apostolic church, the vulgar Christ, ugly with the assumption of the whole burden of our sins and clothed, through humility, in the most abject of forms. It was the Christ of the poor, the Christ incarnate in the image of the most miserable of us He came to save ... He entered upon the unspeakable torment of the unceasing agony. Thus, dying like a thief, like a dog, basely, vilely, physically, He had sunk himself to the deepest depth of fallen humanity and had not spared Himself the last ignominy of putrefaction.
This branch seemed about to spring back and mercifully hurl afar from our cruel, sinful world the suffering flesh held to earth by the enormous spike piercing the feet. Dislocated, almost ripped out of their sockets, the arms of the Christ seemed trammelled by the knotty cords of the straining muscles. The laboured tendons of the armpits seemed ready to snap. The fingers, wide apart, were contorted in an arrested gesture in which were supplication and reproach but also benediction. The trembling thighs were greasy with sweat. The ribs were like staves, or like the bars of a cage, the flesh swollen, blue, mottled with flea-bites, specked as with pin-pricks by spines broken off from the rods of the scourging and now festering beneath the skin where they had penetrated. [...]
This lockjaw Christ was not the Christ of the rich, the Adonis of Galilee, the exquisite dandy, the handsome youth with the curly brown tresses, divided beard, and insipid doll-like features, whom the faithful have adored for four centuries. This was the Christ of Justin, Basil, Cyril, Tertullian, the Christ of the apostolic church, the vulgar Christ, ugly with the assumption of the whole burden of our sins and clothed, through humility, in the most abject of forms.
It was the Christ of the poor, the Christ incarnate in the image of the most miserable of us He came to save ... He entered upon the unspeakable torment of the unceasing agony. Thus, dying like a thief, like a dog, basely, vilely, physically, He had sunk himself to the deepest depth of fallen humanity and had not spared Himself the last ignominy of putrefaction.
from the (complete online!) 1924 Keene Wallis translation of JK Huysmans' La Bas (in the original French and also online in all its glorious S!ck F*ck entirety.) Still creepy after all these years. Parent
At least the French make art out their perversity: I think we may have too much of a tendency to act it out. Parent
"Capt. Lyle Dehart of the shrimping vessel Rocking Angel caught oily shrimp around midnight on Friday in Bayou Severin, near Sister Lake. Shrimpers on the boat reported that their fingers stuck together when they touched the shrimp." - from your second link.
I started messing around with water (not sea) and oil and dry shampoo and mineral spirit solvent this morning and by now my cup of what started out as clear water with oil floating on top is a cup of gooey gelatinous muck. Much of the oil is dispersed. So I googled to see what chemicals are used in the gulf and it seems Corexit uses two solvents and a surfactant. I have NO chemistry training whatsoever, so if anyone understands this I'd love to know more. I do, however, work with materials such as solvents, oils and others. And pouring solvents into an ocean does not strike me as a good idea.
Then, in my cup there's goo on the bottom of the cup and its milky, making me think that a new set of microorganisms will likely want to eat it and it will change everything in the food chain (we're in that chain too) and found this: "But the dispersed oil can also collect on the seabed, where it becomes food for microscopic organisms at the bottom of the food chain and eventually winds up in shellfish and other organisms. The evaporation process can also concentrate the toxic compounds left behind, particularly oil-derived compounds called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAHs." (good article btw, and OK for the lay person - from Scientific American)
And I am wondering if the oil is being mixed with solvents if that could affect ground water in coastal areas which would mean drinking water. Luckily it looks like BP is discontinuing using dispersants - both on the surface and at deep levels. Parent
PAHs
On top of all that info this caught my eye:
"PAHs possess very characteristic UV absorbance spectra. These often possess many absorbance bands and are unique for each ring structure."
I wonder if that means it could exaggerate warming in the gulf. Parent
Chemical Dispersant: According to Riki Ott, marine toxicologist and author...spraying Corexit 9527A (which contains 2-Butoxyethanol) in the Gulf, as BP is currently doing, in an attempt to minimize damage to the coast, will kill the shrimp eggs and larvae and young fish that are in the water column now. The chemicals in them can linger in the water for decades, especially when used in deep water, where low temperatures can inhibit bio-degradation. The use of this chemical was responsible for the collapse of the herring fishery in Alaska after the Exxon Valdez. What is so counterproductive about this is the fact that this chemical will also kill the very micro-organisms that would otherwise naturally break down the oil.
As we now know, BP's use of chemical dispersants at source has driven much of the oil beneath the surface making it impossible to boom or mop up with absorbent materials. Anyhoo, for the oil that makes it to the surface:
Absorbent materials (corn cobs): a Michigan woman named Adria Brown (her company is Recovery I Inc.), has developed and patented a product called Golden Retriever that is designed to recover oil from water. It is made from corn cobs which are especially effective in this task; they are buoyant; and they tend to spin in moving water, which exposes their entire surface to the oil which clings readily to it. The absorption occurs quickly...As an added benefit, the oil can be completely recovered by centrifuge and the cobs can be reused. Brown has been working with an extensive farm network across the Midwest...they have amassed a stockpile of close to 34,000 tons of material that is ready to be deployed to the Gulf. That is, as soon as someone down there asks for it. Sen. Chuck Grassley has also been involved, helping to move the paperwork in Washington.
I just found the Eco.Earth site -- will start scanning the headlines ASAP. Parent
Video.
Almost a month of failed efforts and marginal progress, some critics are asking whether the administration is relying too much on the oil company, particularly on what the administration says is the No.1 mission: stopping the oil at its source nearly a mile beneath Gulf waters. Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., Chair of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment: "I think that there are experts from Woods Hole to MIT to Cal Tech down in the universities in the Gulf region who are ready, willing and able to move in and give the long-term scientific expertise to solve these problems"... Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass: asked Jane Lubchenco, Administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, about the use of the chemical dispersant Corexit, which is banned in the United Kingdom because of its toxicity, [but was nonetheless approved by NOAA for use on the BP Spill]... Rep. Steve Scalise, R-Jefferson: "the bottom line remains that this administration has been content to sit back and point the finger at others while shielding federal agencies that were also to blame for this disaster"... Heather Emmert, Gulf States field organizer for Environment America: "It seems as if the Obama administration is pretty much letting BP run the show...And some of the things they are agreeing with are very contrary to what some scientists on the ground are saying."
Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., Chair of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment: "I think that there are experts from Woods Hole to MIT to Cal Tech down in the universities in the Gulf region who are ready, willing and able to move in and give the long-term scientific expertise to solve these problems"...
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass: asked Jane Lubchenco, Administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, about the use of the chemical dispersant Corexit, which is banned in the United Kingdom because of its toxicity, [but was nonetheless approved by NOAA for use on the BP Spill]...
Rep. Steve Scalise, R-Jefferson: "the bottom line remains that this administration has been content to sit back and point the finger at others while shielding federal agencies that were also to blame for this disaster"...
Heather Emmert, Gulf States field organizer for Environment America: "It seems as if the Obama administration is pretty much letting BP run the show...And some of the things they are agreeing with are very contrary to what some scientists on the ground are saying."
Mary Landrieu, D-La., in defense of the administration, said the response has been "comprehensive". She is particularly impressed that "this president has sent his Cabinet time and time again for the last three and a half weeks". Parent
]"On a few occasions I have misspoken about my service, and I regret that and I take full responsibility," Mr. Blumenthal said at a news conference Tuesday at a Veterans of Foreign Wars post in West Hartford, "but I will not allow anyone to take a few misplaced words and impugn my record of service to our country." Mr. Blumenthal said he had been unaware of "those misplaced words" when he said them. He said that the errors were "totally unintentional" errors and that he had made them on only a small number of occasions in hundreds of public appearances.
Mr. Blumenthal said he had been unaware of "those misplaced words" when he said them. He said that the errors were "totally unintentional" errors and that he had made them on only a small number of occasions in hundreds of public appearances.
Happens all the time... Parent
Did you see the presser? What a scene. . . .
And the media are digging up the guy's quotes from the past, as when he infers that he was subjected to "taunts and insults" for his service. In the reserves?
CNN reports, to be fair, that his unit was famed for . . . its Toys for Tots drive. Parent
CNN reports, to be fair, that his unit was famed for . . . its Toys for Tots drive.
Maybe the "taunts and insults" he remembers were from children disappointed with the toys they got.
;) Parent
Ronald Reagan claimed that while serving in Europe in the Signal Corp he was on hand to film Buchenwald shortly after it was liberated. Of course, he never left the states.
LBJ, who spent his time in the Navy Reserves in Congress and never saw combat in WWII, finagled a Silver Star for a highly questionable "observation" mission. His biographer, Robert Caro, has said "The most you can say about Lyndon Johnson and his Silver Star is that it is surely one of the most undeserved Silver Stars in history, because if you accept everything that he said, he was still in action for no more than 13 minutes and only as an observer." Parent
He did not apologize. The vets shouted down any attempt to get him to apologize. Parent
For the few times he appears to have distinctly "misspoken," there are many more occasions, apparently, when he's been quite clear about the fact that he was in the reserves and never saw active duty. Parent
I agree with Dean, this was a hit job. Parent
There was a decent rebuttal on Orange yesterday that lays out opinions of people from CT.
I have friends in CT that are outraged at the NYT so I'll admit I have a tendency to side with them. Parent
Saw some editorial in a Connecticut paper that said tidbit was not known before about him.
Isn't that even more deferments than Cheney got?
Do what you must do, but I lost too many classmates in Vietnam and have too many family and friends who came back scarred forever, so that I simply could not pull the lever for a guy who made them go in his place -- and then "fibbed" about it. Parent
While all of you bad mouth him, I will remind you as someone who has lived in CT for most of his life, you are wrong to throw in under the bus so quickly. Parent
Sorry I couldn't help myself. I'm sure he'll make a fine senator. He can't be any worse than the ones we've already got... Parent
Two separate sources of temperature data - the National Climatic Data Center and NASA - report that, through April, 2010 is the warmest year ever recorded. The climate center (NCDC) reports that the Earth's combined land and ocean average surface temperature from January-April was 56 degrees, which is 1.24 degrees above the 20th-century average. El Nino -- a periodic natural warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean -- is partly to blame for the unusual warmth. NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies also reports that 2010, so far, is the warmest out of 131 years. Both NCDC and NASA use data that goes back to 1880. Last month, NASA issued a report that predicted 2010 would likely end up as the warmest year on record, due to the combintation of global warming and El Nino. The report states that "a new record global temperature, for the period with instrumental measurements, should be set within the next few months
The climate center (NCDC) reports that the Earth's combined land and ocean average surface temperature from January-April was 56 degrees, which is 1.24 degrees above the 20th-century average.
El Nino -- a periodic natural warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean -- is partly to blame for the unusual warmth.
NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies also reports that 2010, so far, is the warmest out of 131 years. Both NCDC and NASA use data that goes back to 1880.
Last month, NASA issued a report that predicted 2010 would likely end up as the warmest year on record, due to the combintation of global warming and El Nino. The report states that "a new record global temperature, for the period with instrumental measurements, should be set within the next few months
Sen Inhofe could not be reached for comment
Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!
in two days. may 20th.
And great ideas can be found on Talkleft everyday:) Parent
I'm on the "they kind of asked for it" bandwagon.
And shoot, I'll make fun of the Jesus freaks too any day of the week. Equal opportunity mocking. Parent
women can work. and you cant beat them. NOT negotiable. Parent
Reminds me a little of all those neocon putzes who jumped up and down because EVERY newspaper wouldnt print those cartoons. Parent
Crazy muslims who put the hit on Rushdie and killed Van Gogh otoh...mess with my way of life, my culture, sh*t the least I'm gonna do is mock yours...I'm too nice a guy to throw down or kill over it, like some people.
Gotta say, I'm kinda taken aback by your stance here my man...always had you pegged as having no patience for frail sensibilities...you're the king of the zing...its why I love ya. Parent
And Im not particularly arrogant about further mocking people after already killing, maiming and making refugees of so many of them in the last decade. Borders on sadism to me -- and makes us look further like the bunch of going-off-half-cocked yahoos more and more people in the world perceive us as being.
But that's just me. Parent
freedom of speech being one. the main one it seems. we are all, as citizens, insulted or maligned in some way or another every day. its part of being a citizen of this country. get used to it and get over it or STFU and live someplace else. Parent
I'm an ACLU hardass, but I don't think that just because you can, it manifests, always, as something that you should (by default.)
Let people be, too. Let them -- all of us -- live our lives, order our souls and when it's time, bury our dead. Parent
And drawing a cartoon no one has to look at is a far cry from crashing a funeral to be a major-league arsehole.
That being said, of course "can" does not mean "should". I just like me some mockery of religous whackjobery...we should, wherever it rears its ugly head.. Parent
as something that you should (by default.)
we did not start this fight. they are making death threats to freaking CARTOONISTS.
to compare that to Fred Phelps is sad. Parent
See, it's good fun cause it involves CARTOONING, which PC/stick in the mud people refuse to get even when the targets are the ones that are okay to bait that particular month.
That's why all that Mohammed goofballery is funny but the G0d Hates F@gs stuff gets everyone all up in a bunch ... this particular month.
Either way, most of the people that are p!ssing themselves laughing won't bother taking ten minutes to understand why those who are p!ssed ... are p!ssed. [/yeah deliberate obtuseness is a right] Parent
Sh*t sister I ain't got 10 seconds for Phelps or some two-bit cleric who vents their frustrations by waving signs in people's faces at a funeral or putting out hits on cartoonists who have offended their frail belief systems...now if they wanna sit down and talk gripes like human beings I got 10 minutes...I got some of my own. Parent
I mean ya can't pin any death threats on Parker and Stone.
Surely you jest. They laughed those humorless, DFH anti-war libs clean out of the debate for a decade. Parent
If Phelps just did his "god hates f*gs" schtick on a website or public access channel I'd have no problem with him, I'd just mock his sorry arse. Parent
targeting/baiting of a religious group as most excellent humor
to think that gives someone the right to even threaten someone let alone kill them is, to me, completely insane. Parent
That strikes me as equally dangerous to the incendiary South Park missive (and about as dumb.) Parent
maybe we should not get upset when they beat women or wont let them work? Parent
Why no discussion, ever, of these things? Because Richard Perle didnt vet the info first? Parent
this far. no further. Parent
Right now, what's reasonable isn't what's protective of the public arena but crap like what protects the Politician in Chief's image.
I'm for eliminating double standards based on fashion and whims of the moment. Parent
but there are, as Bill Maher says, some things they need to understand. like some things are not negotiable. freedom of speech being one. the main one it seems. we are all, as citizens, insulted or maligned in some way or another every day. its part of being a citizen of this country. get used to it and get over it or STFU and live someplace else
freedom of speech being one. the main one it seems. we are all, as citizens, insulted or maligned in some way or another every day. its part of being a citizen of this country. get used to it and get over it or STFU and live someplace else
That's just a latte'n'arugula friendly version of America, Love it or Leave it.
The 1st amend't is argued in courts daily -- who's saying leave the country and get stripped of citizenship ... except Lieberman and now Bill Maher!
Speech is currently a 'sexy' amendment that superficial South Park fanboiz bat around in the Socratic Caves while boring rights (eg, repro rights, search & seizure) get let slide -- as long as it's primarily icky types, who aren't chic at the time, that are getting burnt. Parent
Freaks who kill over cartoons, same as freaks who kill for politics or money or power or religion...the epidemic is worldwide, lets mock it on all fronts. Parent
Personally, I think everyone went astray when they lost sight of the fact that God is a jokester. Parent
"I be smokin' roaches in the vestibules, in the next millenium I'll still be old school."
In the late 70s-early 80s I was listening to (dancing to) hip hop/rap/funk acts like Kurtis Blow; Sugarhill Gang; The Gap Band; Fab Five Freddy; and Grandmaster Flash. Those guys had some commercial success but they were more widely known in the underground scene.
Then along came the Beastie Boys and, with "Licensed to Ill" in 1986, rap went mainstream, big-time. Of course, I'm not the first person who finds it problematic that the Beastie Boys were so much more widely accepted, and financially successful, than any of the black rappers back in the day -- owing largely to support from white kids (same for eminem).
Here's a funny video of the Beastie Boys, from 1984, when they were still wet behind the ears (i.e. Horovitz was still in high school, another was at freaking Vassar College -- oy, or more like goy): The Scott and Gary Show, feat. The Beastie Boys: Cookie Puss Interview . Enjoy. Parent
Never a big Eminem guy...but I can appreciate his talent.
Thanks for the linkage...I'll check it out later with sound. Parent
In the late 70s-early 80s I was listening to (dancing to) hip hop/rap/funk acts like Kurtis Blow; Sugarhill Gang; The Gap Band; Fab Five Freddy; and Grandmaster Flash. Those guys were all AMAZING and had some commercial success, but they were more widely known in the underground scene.
Then along came the Beastie Boys (solidly upper-middle class white guys) and, with "Licensed to Ill" in 1986, rap went mainstream, big-time. Of course, I'm not the first person who finds it problematic that the Beastie Boys were so much more widely accepted, and financially successful, than any of the black rappers back in the day -- owing largely to support from a white audience -- especially college kids (same for eminem). Enough said.
Here's a funny video of the Beastie Boys, from 1984, when they were still wet behind the ears (i.e. Horovitz was still in high school, Mike D was at freaking Vassar College -- oy, or more like goy): The Scott and Gary Show, feat. The Beastie Boys: Cookie Puss Interview . Enjoy. Parent
It's a key tenet of Islam, so Muslims shouldn't do it. If you are not Muslim, who cares? You can do whatever you want. It's like how they serve alchohol to foreigners in Afghanistan. Or how you don't have to wear a scarf if you're not actually Muslim. Now, if I am on someone else's turf, I might not drink or I might wear a scarf to not draw attention to myself. But in fact, I wouldn't be required to because I am not actually Muslim.
Same thing with drawing cartoons. That's fine if you can't draw a cartoon because it's against your religion. It's not my religion though, so don't tell me what I can and cannot draw.
Just like it's fine if you're not supposed to have sex before marriage, or take God's name in vain. I don't believe in your rules, so I'm not gonna play by them. If it offends you, sorry, but frankly, I am sick and tired of religious people trying to control how the rest of us live our lives. No one is forcing anyone to read or look at the cartoons.
People offend me on a daily basis and I don't go around threatening them. That's part of the deal living in a free country. Parent
Yeah, takes two to tango, and I agree with your muslim sister, but Pipes and his crowd are reprehensible. Parent
Although, given a key tenent [sic] of Islam is that thou shalt not depict Mohammed..
That is not a key tenet of Islam. It has been debated through the ages. The ten commandments version is thou shall not worship graven images.
And a strict jewish law is never to utter the name of god.
I would say that the both ideas are related, in both Islaam and Judiasm.
The idea stems from the notion that once you name god or make an image of god then it loses its power in that it is limited to a word or an image rather than a deep concept that is undefined. Parent
Muhammad figures frequently in depictions of influential people in world history. Such depictions tend to be favourable or neutral in intent; one example can be found at the United States Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C.. A frieze including major historical lawgivers places Muhammad alongside Hammurabi, Moses, Confucius, and others. Because of a 1997 controversy surrounding the frieze, tourist materials have been edited so they call the depiction "a well-intentioned attempt by the sculptor to honor Muhammad" that "bears no resemblance to Muhammad."[18]
All you're doing is throwing people back into their mammalian - reptilian survival and territorial imperatives brains. Good luck with that. Parent
we make fun of religion all the time. its part of this culture. people dont like it they complain about it. they do not try to kill the people who do it.
we are not going to allow a bunch of thugs acting on the part of ANY religion to shut down free speech.
its just so "sexy" you know. Parent
After seeing Food Inc last night, I cant get Steadmanesqe images of humanoid forms in suits with horsefly larvae faces sitting around a table out of my head.. Parent
makes sense, in a way Parent
And if you need to harsh out, it will be my pleasure to facilitate your nowhere near as niceness. Parent
The "NEA Four", Karen Finley, Tim Miller, John Fleck, and Holly Hughes, were performance artists whose proposed grants from the United States government's National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) were vetoed by John Frohnmayer in June 1990. Grants were overtly vetoed on the basis of subject matter [sexuality and gender] after the artists had successfully passed through a peer review process. The artists won their case in court in 1993 and were awarded amounts equal to the grant money in question, though the case would make its way to the United States Supreme Court in National Endowment for the Arts v. Finley. In response, the NEA, under pressure from Congress, stopped funding individual artists.
Just sayin' that while you're giving yourself a wedgie over bruising the delicate sensibilities of homicidal religious fundamentalists--which is not to say Muslims as a group, but rather the homicidal fanatics stuck in the 13th century who murdered Theo Van Gogh and threatened to execute a Danish cartoonist--they are laughing at you as a fool. They don't give a cr@p about your putative respect for the Prophet. Parent
While we're on it though, Im also not big on West Bank thugs and emotional blackmailers who start talking about Holocaust deniers every time someone points out Perle and Wolfowitz's garden slug trail. But we'll table that discussion for another time.. Parent
Im also not big on West Bank thugs and emotional blackmailers who start talking about Holocaust deniers every time someone points out Perle and Wolfowitz's garden slug trail.
You and only you brought up Israel here. Not sure why, since the topic is the (fundamentalist) culture-jamming prank of drawing the Prophet en masse.
But since you did bring up Israel, did you know that the religious fanatics whose delicate sensibilities have you in such a protective, patronizing swivet are in the habit of referring to you as a "Jew," regardless of whether you actually are one? Parent
So, whats the solution: kill or round up every single one of the hyper-sensitive nuts for the next fifty years on China's dime until a dirty bomb (inevitably) goes off; or is there some other way nincompoop nation can come up with of defusing religious mania other than writing on bathroom walls? Parent
I also think there's a case to be made for these fundamentalist f^ckers as freedom fighters. I don't think it's a particularly good case, given how they treat the women among them, just for starters. But the case can still be made, on the basis of much wrongdoing against Islamic cultures by Western interests, going back many centuries.
And yet I don't see you making that case. I just see you giving yourself a wedgie over "propagandizing in a volatile situation" and fretting about a "dirty bomb" going off if we make the fanatics mad again, for whatever reason. You don't seem to grasp that they are already so pissed that they may be past all desire for anything but what they would see as vengeance, richly deserved. It would not be an illogical position on their part.
Personally, I wish Bush and Cheney had seen 9/11 as a matter for law enforcement, and I suppose that puts me in tune with most others on the left.
In any case, I love the idea of Draw Mohammed Day. So do my Muslim friends, by the way.
And it's fine with me that you don't know "if the connection is automatic to people that mocking Mohammed is really about mocking people who kill, for whatever fanatical reasons." But the fact that you don't know this is not, IMO, a reason for you to tell everyone who's down with drawing the Prophet to basically STFU. Parent
But, by all means dont STFU. And neither will I. Parent
Free speech is so much fun. Parent
Then get locked up over it...talk about Taliban. Parent
But, if he cares about free speech, why is he using Facebook? Parent
I don't follow everything Sestak does, but when I hear him interviewed he always makes sense to me. hH seems to think about things logically and not just spout talking points. I'm sure I won't agree all the time, and pols are pols, but I sure hope he wins in Novermber. Parent