Joran Van der Sloot Transferred to Miguel Castro Castro Prison

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Posted on Fri Jun 11, 2010 at 07:50:08 PM EST
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Joran Van der Sloot has been transferred to Miguel Castro Castro maximum security prison. (Google translation here.)

Our post on the problems at Miguel Castro Castro prison is here. His lawyer calls it "Dante's Inferno." Pervian authorities say he will be segregated from other prisoners.

Peruvian prisons have very high rates of tuberculosis.

Who else is at Castro Castro, besides murderers? [More...]

Conveniently, a large number of prisoners at Castro-Castro are from outside Peru (16 different countries to be exact) and many have been incarcerated on dubious “narcoterrorism” charges (dubious not to their individual innocence or guilt, but as to the specificity of the charges against each. Narcoterrorism is Peru’s version of the Patriot Act, complete with loopholes to hold prisoners indefinitely without a trial).

Joran will have his own cell near the prison director's office:

At Castro Castro prison, Van der Sloot was fed the Peruvian chicken dish "seco de pollo," prisons director Ruben Rodriguez said. The Dutchman will have his own cell in a small block near the director's office.

The only other two prisoners on the block are a reputed Colombian hit man charged with strangling a Peruvian socialite and a provincial mayor charged with laundering drug money

It looks like he's facing a minimum of 15 years. With good time, does that amount to 7.5? Can he last that long in a Peruvian jail?

The prison does have a soccer team that plays teams of inmates from other South American prisons. They even call it a World Cup.

I still think a plea deal with Aruba is possible. I hope his lawyer is able to negotiate one. Peru's attorney general said today:

Aruban officials will decide whether to sent investigators to Peru to question him once they learn exactly what he is offering.

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I'd want you as my lawyer, Jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#4)
by goldberry on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 08:11:33 AM EST

You could make Charles Manson look like a victim.

Your ability to conjure more and more complicated scenarios to deflect our lying eyes must be an asset to your clients.

The scientist in me says to only look at the evidence and not to overdraw conclusions. What can we show Joran actually did? Based on those actions, is it reasonable to conclude he had something to do with the death of Flores? I'd say yes.

I'd be surprised if the Peruvians had to resort to torture. If they had a fugitive from not one but two possible murders committed in two separate countries and with a possible extortion plot from a third, it would make more sense to treat Joran van der Sloot with the utmost care and by the book in case any of the charges against him should be invalidated and he be set free. That kind of thing would invite international outrage. Peru might have something to prove here.

Anyways, your approach to this case explains a lot, including your political views.

Veddy interesting.

hate to kill your paraniod buzz but... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by thadjock on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 01:47:49 PM EST

I'm very much one of a kind, and can verify that to any admin of the site who cares. One of the reasons I joined was because this seemed to be a forum where members were able to at least consider the possiblity that things don't quite add up in the charges against vds.

Yes, untold seems to share a similar openmindedness, as do many others, including the creator of this blog.

: Yes, so please don't get dissuaded by (none / 0) (#77)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 11:30:28 PM EST

the law and order types who want to dominate the discussion. If they don't stop chattering, blog-clogging and attacking those who bring up inconsistencies and question the fairness of the process, they will be limited in their commenting here.

I'm sure this will be lost on you, but... (1.00 / 1) (#46)
by thadjock on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 03:14:29 PM EST

my point about BT building a murderer was: if you took ANY average 17 yo kid, with no prior history of violence, presumed innocent, put him through the relentless BT/media vigilante meat grinder for 5 yrs and then see what kind of psychological hamburger comes out the other end.

the phrase "well adjusted" doesn't come to mind.

and as far as BT profiting , she absolutely has. book deals, speaking engagements, tv movies, the slush fund, oops, I mean trust fund set up to accept the worldwide donations to help find NH, the new NH foundation.... follow the money trail, not for profit doesn't mean nobody's making money.

her ship came in, granted it was piloted by the cruel hand that took her daughter, but like they say, when life gives you lemons....hire a PR firm.

You're right, but then again ... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by Yman on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 05:01:30 PM EST

... it would be lost on anyone who uses facts and logic, rather than speculation, innuendo and imagination.

Beth Holloway (you do know that's her real name, right?) became an advocate to prevent more people from becoming victims like her daughter. You, with zero evidence, blame her for making JVDS into a murderer, and say she is responsible for the murder of Stephany Flores. Now you accuse her of using these non-profits as a personal slush fund to profit from the murder of her daughter. Really? Have you looked at the tax returns for the non-profits? Do you have a single bit of evidence that she's done what you accuse her of?

No.

Isn't it funny how some people are willing to overlook a large amount of evidence when it comes to the a murder suspect (JVDS) in order to uphold the principle of "presuming innocence", yet these same people are willing to turn around and accuse the mother of another crime victim of being responsible for death profiteering and being responsible for a wholely unrelated death of another girl. Then again, ...

... I guess that would also "be lost" on anyone who uses facts and logic, rather than speculation, innuendo and smears.


Yman, stop insulting other commenters (none / 0) (#72)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:29:04 PM EST

They are entitled to their opinions, which have been expressed appropriately. You are becoming a blog-clogger and your attacks are in violation of our comment rules.


Obviously, you can do ... (4.00 / 1) (#78)
by Yman on Tue Jun 15, 2010 at 06:59:02 AM EST

... what you want - it's your blog. I would, however, point out a couple of things.

I'm hardly a "law and order type". While I did clerk at the DOJ many years ago (Civil Rights Division), all of the criminal work I've done has been as defense counsel. I believe strongly in due process and the presumption of innocence, but I also believe in using facts (to the extent they are known) rather than speculation. The same commenters who I was responding to have repeatedly attacked both the victims of these crimes (NH and SF) and Beth Holloway, including several suggestions/statements that the victims brought the crimes on themselves through their own reckless behavior and that BH was responsible for the death of SF (either by "creating a murderer", sending JVDS money, or being involved in some secret plan for vengeance, creating a personal slush fund with her nonprofits). While I understand those who disagree with or even dislike Beth Holloway, blaming the victims and/or a mother of a victim, as these commenters have done several times on the JVDS threads, is disgusting and reprehensible, which is why I responded to them in particular.
The "insults" I have used are in response to other commenters who have done the same thing (i.e. my "lost on anyone" response above was to a "lost on you" comment made by thadjock). I understand you don't read all the comments, but there are several regular commenters (everyone knows who they are) who make far more offensive statements on a regular basis without being told to limit their comments. Again, your rules - but the enforcement does seem quite arbitrary.
I don't believe anyone is trying to "dominate" these threads, particularly the "law and order" types. The comments favoring JVDS and his defense run substantially higher in these threads than the "law and order" comments.

Once again, it's your blog, but IMO the enforcement of your chattering and blog-clogging rules has more to do with whether you agree with the opinions of the commenters, rather than anything else.


Thadjock: I couldn't agree more! (none / 0) (#48)
by kasey9 on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 06:40:53 PM EST

Thadjock: I couldn't agree more!

It simply amazes me about how much media attention that the missing aruba girls case has gotten. Its unfortunate about the overall situation, but she is not the only young girl that has gone missing and years later they are cold cases and not mentioned at all.

It has been all over the media that although Beth and the Governor of Alabama made a public plea to the country not to travel to Aruba because of this specific case, tourism did not suffer at all.

Her daughter should have been educated on the effects of alcohol and in addition never get into a car with strangers....let alone three young men.

YMAN uses the term victim...I would like to know why: Beth Twitty has never mentioned educating these high school students/girls that when they go on a class trip as example to Aruba, they're not auditioning for girls gone wild videos... allowing strange boys whom they don't know to do Jello shots off their navels as reported... Where were the chaperones? Why was Natalie the only girl that willingly got into the car, after doing shots of 151 Rum...while the rest went back to the hotels?

It has been reported that Joran would never have been able to afford a trip to Peru and it was funded by Beth Twittys money. It puts Joran in a place he would have never been able to get to, but, with Beths persistence and entrapment, perhaps...the Peruvian girl is now dead...by who...I will await until Jorans defense attorney watches the entire video without interruption and has it authenticated.

Why is it every station you turn on, it the focus is not on Stefany alone. Natalies picture is right up there as well. These are two different cases...Similarities, what? They met in a casino...big deal, it proves they have interest in gambling.

Anyhow, I enjoyed your post and I agree with you!


Clarification (1.00 / 1) (#54)
by Yman on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 07:54:01 PM EST

So acting like a college kid means you can't be a "victim"? Are you trying to suggest something with these "questions"? If so, why not just say it?

It has been reported that Joran would never have been able to afford a trip to Peru and it was funded by Beth Twittys money. It puts Joran in a place he would have never been able to get to, but, with Beths persistence and entrapment, perhaps...the Peruvian girl is now dead.

Seriously? Providing money to someone means you're responsible for how they use that money? So if my employee takes her paycheck and uses it to buy a plane ticket to Chile, I'm responsible for what she does while she's there? Interesting theory which, of course, has no basis in fact or law.

Accusing Beth Holloway (her correct name) of being responsible for the murder of Stephany Flores is beyond reprehensible ... it's disgusting.


Actually Yman (none / 0) (#56)
by jbindc on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 08:45:47 AM EST

Her name is Beth Holloway Twitty. She was married to Holloway, then she married Twitty. :)


Appreciate it (none / 0) (#58)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:02:30 AM EST

... but she legally changed her name back to "Holloway" after her divorce.

I just think it's funny that the same few commenters who claim she is responsible for the death of Stephany Flores (among other things), all choose to use her former married name. They also joined within a few days of each other, make the same type of comments and raise the same type of "questions" about the Holloways, and comment exclusively on JVDS.

But I digress ...


It is what it is! (none / 0) (#61)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:09:56 AM EST

Yman - You certainly don't make any argument by implying that people are one in the same, because they are agreeing about certain facts of the case...

It is what it is!

If you take the time and research, you'll simply find there are more people that think like us (the people who disagree with you) then you know!


There are also ... (none / 0) (#65)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:29:08 AM EST

... a lot of people who believe that women were created from Adam's rib and that dinosaurs roamed the earth with people just a few thousand years ago. People are free to believe what they want, of course, but I prefer facts and evidence to their speculation and fantasy.

BTW - It's not just that they agree on the same "facts" of the case. It's that they all joined TL within a few days of each other, they all raise the same "questions" (with no facts), they all use the same broken/improper English, they all post exclusively on JVDS stories. But just like them, I'm just "asking a question", right?


Heres a fact: Twitty sues Van der sloot - Dismisse (none / 0) (#66)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:43:13 AM EST

It seems odd, that Beth Twitty has gone to such great length to keep the spotlight on Natalie, what about the other girls right here in other states that go missing...we do not hear about them five years later.

She sues him for "unspecified damages" of injury of her daughter....and the case was dismissed. Now five years later she sets up a sting that went bad....talk about Vindictive. He could not be charged on the murder of her daughter, so she'll settle for any else...what a joke.

http://www.tacopinalaw.com/pdfs/vandersloot4.pdf


: A joke indeed (none / 0) (#68)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:27:46 AM EST

It seems odd, that Beth Twitty has gone to such great length to keep the spotlight on Natalie, what about the other girls right here in other states that go missing ...
Uhhhhhm, ...... seriously??? Ya think maybe because it's her daughter?
BTW - You might want to read your link. The US civil suit against the Van Der Sloots was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds - it had nothing to do with the merits of the case.
What makes you say the extortion case "went bad"? The fact that JVDS was arrested in Peru on a completely unrelated murder charge was not forseeable and has no bearing on the extortion case. While the murder case makes it unlikely that the extortion case will be prosecuted, it doesn't mean the extortion case "went bad". Beyond that, why would you claim that Beth Holloway set up the extortion case? The only evidence to date (the FBI affidavit) states that JVDS initiated the extortion scheme. But if you have any evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

A big Difference...Yman. (none / 0) (#59)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:04:45 AM EST

"So if my employee takes her paycheck and uses it to buy a plane ticket to Chile, I'm responsible for what she does while she's there?"

That does not make one bit of sense...The point being Joran was funded money by Beth Twittys personal funds...please refer to the FBI affadavit...not by his own paycheck...


: No difference at all (none / 0) (#63)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:17:25 AM EST

I know she sent money to JVDS. You were suggesting she was responsible for the murder of Stephany Flores, since, if she hadn't sent him that money, you believe he wouldn't have been able to go to Peru. First of all, we know that's not true, since JVDS has said that he left Aruba with $25,000, of which only $9,000 was from the extortion scheme.
More importantly, whether the funds were personal funds or not is irrelevant. Merely providing money to someone does not make you responsible for what they do with that money. Without advanced knowledge of someone's plan to use money for an illegal purpose, claiming that they are responsible for what someone does with that money is legally, morally and otherwise preposterous.

A plea with Aruba (none / 0) (#1)
by thadjock on Fri Jun 11, 2010 at 10:56:05 PM EST

would simply be vds serving out the sentence imposed by the Peruvian courts?

And would Aruba then make the arrest for the extortion charge or did the FBI botch that little project to the point that it's DOA?

Despite events in Peru, nothing has changed the fact that there is still (after 5 yrs) no evidence to charge him with in the Halloway case. Not a great ROI given the allocation of resources.

Choice of prison (none / 0) (#7)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 11:24:56 AM EST

might be the deciding factor to get out of the Peruvian prison system. One tends to plead anything when personal survival is at stake!


true (none / 0) (#18)
by TeresaInPa on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 05:46:55 PM EST

his father's death probably has a better chance of furthering his conviction in Aruba than the murder of the girl in Peru.


: not likely (none / 0) (#22)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:10:17 PM EST

His father may have been the only other person on earth who actually knew what really happened to NH.
last time I checked, the dead don't speak.

Plea with Aruba really (none / 0) (#2)
by diogenes on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 12:45:13 AM EST

Plea with Aruba would really be to have him extradited to Aruba to serve murder time there for Natalee's murder and then return to Peru "later" to serve for the second murder. The jails are much softer in Aruba and maybe his well-connected parents could break him out at some point.

His dad (none / 0) (#3)
by Zorba on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 08:07:01 AM EST

was the "well-connected" one, and the dad died in February.


But........ (none / 0) (#6)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 09:08:49 AM EST

Aruba has never been able to make a case against vds for the NH disappearance.

Why would he go to Aruba to serve time for NH's disappearance when they've never had the evidence to try him for that, he's been arrested 2x, never charged. Even if he's convicted of the SF murder (which is probable at this point) it doesn't help the Arubans sew up the NH case at all.


: the plea deal (none / 0) (#8)
by diogenes on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 12:36:49 PM EST

VDS HELPS Aruba make the case by actually confessing to where he hid Natalie's body. Aruba claims first dibs on the sentencing, and it's done.

are they planning (none / 0) (#5)
by cpinva on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 08:39:49 AM EST

on making an extra "circle" for him? when your prisons are rated just barely above the "black hole of calcutta", that's nothing to actually brag about.

well yes, yes they do,

Peru might have something to prove here.

thought not quite what you're thinking. they seem bent on proving they can screw up a criminal investigation just as well as the big boys can.

ordinarily, not something one should aspire to.

Language, please (none / 0) (#10)
by jbindc on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 03:28:44 PM EST

Jeralyn has asked that you not use words that will cause the filters of some networks to block this site.

: point taken (none / 0) (#11)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 03:35:52 PM EST

Just read (none / 0) (#12)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 03:56:03 PM EST

someone say, if you think Turkey's prisons are bad it's only because you haven't seen Peru's.

His attorney said it (none / 0) (#13)
by jbindc on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 04:02:00 PM EST

After this is all adjudicated, and if he is found guilty, or confesses in court, would you have a problem with him going to prison for this crime?


I would still feel there are number of remarkable (none / 0) (#14)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 04:23:13 PM EST

& unexplained coincidences, and I also feel the predisposed world public opinion is exerting forces on the case (they've re-brodcast as much coverage of the NH case this past week as was aired the week it happened) and pressuring the Peruvian authorities to "make this one stick"

I think acquittal is impossible regardless of any evidence (or lack of) supporting the charges. The public won't have it.

To my mind that isn't supposed to be how justice works. but most people are prone to herd mentality, and old testament retribution is still very popular.


Have you given thoght (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by jbindc on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 05:00:30 PM EST

To the fact that he just might actually be guilty - of not only the Flores murder, but of Natalee Holloway, as well? It's certainly not out of th realm of possibility. It's all well and good to question the evidence and the process (of course, we don't know all the evidence they have) - I just find it interesting that you and a couple of other commenters seem hell-bent on coming up with scenarios in which he is a poor innocent slob who is being persecuted - even if those scenarios involve things like "police in white clothes were hiding in the room".


Perhaps - (none / 0) (#17)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 05:29:55 PM EST

it is because he seems to be railroaded.

Even the minister of the interior stated he was serial killer the first or second day. Flores father stated he wasn't going to ask for the death penalty (does he have that much power one is left to question when dp isn't even on the books?)

What if he had nothing whatsoever to do with Natalee Holloway going missing since no evidence has ever been brought to light over a five year period. He was school kid, a seventeen year old, how could he have left no evidence? The experts of the experts have fine-combed Aruba for a gleam of evidence, yet came away emty-handed.


you make a good point about him and the evidence (none / 0) (#19)
by TeresaInPa on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 05:55:12 PM EST

in the NH case. And you are probably right, he couldn't have planned the murder that well. I think the fact that there has been little evidence is due to two things, his father's political power and dumb luck.
This time around he said he did it. Do you think that confession was coerced?
And if he had nothing to do with NH, why does he keep saying he knows where the body is?
To my painfully perceptive mind, he is a walking case of subconscious guilt. He had to murder again to bring attention to himself because all the running and hiding and paranoia was too much to take.


Conditioning (none / 0) (#20)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:02:40 PM EST

He gets paid every time he says anything about NH.

It would seem his life goals have of further education have been hampered by the hounding and haunting of the Arubian Holloway case. This is how he has been conditioned to earn a living over the past five years.


Or (none / 0) (#23)
by jbindc on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:13:05 PM EST

It's a guilty conscience where his father helped him keep quiet. Now that his father is gone, maybe he wants to let it all out. If he didn't do it, but still keeps trying to make money by promising to tell people the location of her body, then he really is a sociopath. Normal people don't keep doing that.


maybe normal 17 year olds (1.00 / 3) (#26)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:24:44 PM EST

who are subjected to intense media scrutiny and world contempt for a crime they never committed over 5 continuous years do.

If vds didn't kill or harm NH, and he did murder SF, then I'd say BT is responsible for creating a murderer where there was none before.


perhaps you are forgetting (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by ding7777 on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 07:18:55 PM EST

how many times Joran accepted media payments regarding NH - Joran kept inviting media scrutiny - Beth did not MAKE him do that -


Sorry (none / 0) (#31)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 07:31:27 PM EST

perhaps you misread - I never said Beth made anyone accept any payments. Payments were offered and accepted.

Another small item - when Hurrican Katrina hit and media attention diverted from the Holloway case, didn't both BT and DH complain media attention had become too relaxed?

When did JvS invite media scrutiny other than being sought out?


Beth Twitty Paid copyrights release/interviews??? (none / 0) (#49)
by kasey9 on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 06:43:05 PM EST

How many times has Beth Twitty been been paid for interviews, copyrights to videos and photos? Joran didn't make her do that...either. How much money did she make adn is she still five years later making?


Questions as accusations? (none / 0) (#53)
by Yman on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 07:43:19 PM EST

Why do people think they can make an accusation without any evidence simply by adding a question mark at the end? Do they think it's acceptable because, after all, they're just "asking a question"? Do they think it obscures the fact that they have no facts or evidence to back up their wild speculation?

What?

... just asking.


No Accusation there (none / 0) (#62)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:12:17 AM EST

No, accusation there. Do you have evidence that says she has done every interview for free, she has given copyrights to media outlets to run and air, photos, videos, interviews etc for free. HA! I would highly doubt that.

if you have prroof that the rest of us are wrong, kindly post the evidence.


: Don't need it (none / 0) (#64)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:21:40 AM EST

I'm not claiming she did "every interview for free". I have no idea whether she received any payments from the interviews, etc., just as you have no idea whether she did.
Then again, ...
... I'm not the one suggesting she is profiting from the death of her daughter, without even the tiniest shred of evidence.

What?!? (5.00 / 3) (#33)
by Yman on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 09:43:41 PM EST

If vds didn't kill or harm NH, and he did murder SF, then I'd say BT is responsible for creating a murderer where there was none before.

Natalee Holloway's mother "created a murderer" and caused him to murder Stephany Flores?

Seriously????

How does that work?


No, but she funded Jorans trip there. (none / 0) (#52)
by kasey9 on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 06:53:36 PM EST

Natalie Halloway has nothing to do with the Stefany Flores case...Why can't people leave the focus on the Peru case only?


Why is that relevant? (none / 0) (#55)
by Yman on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 08:21:05 PM EST

No, but she funded Joran's trip there

Unless you're trying to claim that Beth Holloway is responsible for the death of Stephany Flores simply because she gave JVDS money.

BTW - thadjock is claiming that Beth Holloway turned JVDS in to a murderer.


She Probably helped push him over the edge! (none / 0) (#57)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:00:21 AM EST

Still not an answer, ... (none / 0) (#60)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:06:34 AM EST

... but I do like the use of the exclamation point!

Why is her giving him the money even relevant? Are you suggesting her providing the money was what probably "pushed him over the edge", or is this a new theory based on some other speculation?


I hope (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by jbindc on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:11:15 AM EST

If something ever happened to one of my sisters or me, my mother would be just as vigilant as Beth Holloway/Twitty/Holloway has been. And now that she has pushed for, and gotten the Natalee Holloway Center opened in DC, hopefully more kids will not go missing.

I would say she has turned her tragedy into a force for positive. And that is a good thing.


: I couldn't agree more (none / 0) (#69)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 10:30:17 AM EST

: I'm sure you would (none / 0) (#73)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:31:59 PM EST

hope and say that.
Many of us feel differently about her and her media promotion campaign.

Why do they keep paying him? (none / 0) (#25)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:22:59 PM EST

If you keep a gold fish in a dark room it will eventually turn white! Was that the intent to continue to pay?


Five years later. (none / 0) (#50)
by kasey9 on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 06:48:47 PM EST

Its been five years and people still label Joran him as a murderer although he has never been charged. Beth has kept the media attention on this case and has too profited. Just like the guy who interviewed on Greta - he said as soon as I knew Jorans name I went to the casino manger and told them he was the guy who killed the aruba girl...he was a murderer..Joran could not get away from the pressure or the labels. So, beth basically entraps him, (we all know it) knowing he needs the money...Everyone has a breaking point, an innocent man can snap as well...everyone has a breaking point. Realistically, like it or not, Beth Twit Halloway funded that trip. period.


confession coerced - Nay (none / 0) (#21)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:07:36 PM EST

Didn't he have a lawyer the police assigned to him, and a Dutch interpetator (who isn't his lawyer) also present? How could it be coerced?

What do you think?


I don't think he needed an interpreter (none / 0) (#24)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:19:37 PM EST

he speaks spanish fluently. and I don't think he had counsel present during interrogation.


Police stated (none / 0) (#27)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:30:09 PM EST

his confession was before a police appointed lawyer and an interpetator sent by the Dutch Consulate.


confession and interrogation (none / 0) (#28)
by thadjock on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 06:31:53 PM EST

are 2 different things


: Carla Odria (none / 0) (#29)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 07:09:31 PM EST

represented him during early interrogation.

: The confession occurred (none / 0) (#74)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:32:55 PM EST

during the interrogation. Read the transcript.

Good point (none / 0) (#32)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 07:35:46 PM EST

You may be very right on this as I am not finding a name.


Only if in strict accordance (none / 0) (#15)
by Untold Story on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 04:30:37 PM EST

with the Rule of Law and the 2009 resolution of the IBA Council were applied.


reporting (none / 0) (#34)
by pac on Sat Jun 12, 2010 at 10:04:54 PM EST

Joran said he became angry due to confrontation involving Stephany's searching of the NH. Could it be that there is more to the story exlaining what led to such a violent reaction. Possibly Stephany tried to phone the police when she and Joran argued about the searching? or something that prompted fear in Joran. I find it difficult to think Stephany's searching alone brought forth anger with such intensity. Possibly the unreported details are needed to have a more complete understanding.

Headlines: Joran and Stephany argued due to Stephany searching his computer. He said "she had no right", kills her. Joran ate cake and drank coffee. If the goal is no leaks then why the few leaks, such as the ones listed?

Whether or not Joran stole money from Stephany I am unsure but I am not yet convinced the motive was money. Is the goal to accuse money as the motive so the sentence will be longer or is there a sincere belief Stephany was killed for that reason?

There was an articles which stated Joran would undergo psychological testing. Considering news today was what Joran ate, is the best bet to expect less actual reporting about the case other than speculation.

: Robbery Motive (none / 0) (#51)
by kasey9 on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 06:51:55 PM EST

I cannot understand how they can tie robbery into this...especially knowing he was Personally given 15,000 or a total of 25,000 by Twitty.
So, Beth could not except the fact that Joran was never charged in her daughters death, so she would be happy if he was jailed for extortion?
Its Unbelieveable.

Oh, heeeeeey .... (none / 0) (#36)
by Yman on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 12:40:02 PM EST

Look at that!

You both joined within 3 days of each other, and you both comment exclusively (with similar opinions) on the JVDS stories.

Another coincidence.

Better things to do - Yoman (none / 0) (#70)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 12:36:59 PM EST

Don't you think people have better things to do then to make "mock" accounts so, they can post a cooresponding/agreeing post to their own. Who cares what others opinions are, I use this forum to read the updated information, read what Jeralyn's thoughts and Ideas are as well as others...to open up my mind to others thoughts...ideas...posts!

If I don't agree with others or others don't agree with me, who cares...perhaps you have been guilty of doing such a thing - Just another thought.


: I would respond ... (none / 0) (#71)
by Yman on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 04:40:49 PM EST

... but I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to say.

yman, your comment is out of line (none / 0) (#75)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 14, 2010 at 09:34:04 PM EST

Great minds think alike ;) (none / 0) (#40)
by Untold Story on Sun Jun 13, 2010 at 01:44:58 PM EST