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President Obama will nominate retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper to be the new director of national intelligence.

The Democrats released memos by Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan. You can read some of them here.

.... the majority of the memos, emails and reports made public Friday provide little insight to her own views.

Here's the latest on Day 46 of the Gulf Oil spill.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    A Legend (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 10:19:10 PM EST
    John Wooden passed away this evening. Even as someone that wanted the Bruins to lose every game, I still enjoyed his book "They Call Me Coach". He started each season with a new team teaching them the basics...starting with how to put on their socks.

    Seven consecutive NCAA basketball Titles. It will never happen again.

    A true pioneer, deserving of his legendary status (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ellie on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 01:48:00 AM EST
    It's impossible to imagine any athlete or coach who hasn't been influenced by his approach to the game.

    Here's his often-quoted Pyramid of Success (*.doc format), which remains the gold-standard for bringing your A-game on and off the court.

    His official web-site has a printable *.pdf version and interactive online version.

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    Note about Steve Wereley, BP Spill analyst... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 11:47:31 PM EST
    Waldenpond and I have been commenting back and forth about how Steve Wereley, Associate Professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University, came to be so central in the BP Spill rate debate. I thought he was working independently, Walden identified him as an Obama appointee.

    It was confusing to me. So I did some hacking around and found that Wereley (and a couple of other scientists) started doing analysis of the BP Spill, at the request of NPR, who interviewed him on May 14th.

    Wereley subsequently appeared before a House subcommittee on May 19th. Then on May 20th, Thad Allen formed a multi-agency Flow Rate Technical Group. Wereley was one of nine independent scientists appointed to the group (it doesn't include any of Wereley's former associates). The FRTG issued a preliminary report on May 27th and they are expected to issue the final report early next week.

    Wereley recapped the report last night on AC 360; I kind of transcribed it on another thread -- LINK. (My account doesn't differ much from what Walden had previously stated.)  

    A thought...the spill is all about SIZE. As we know, many observers have sought to minimize the spill rate, while some favor the higher estimates that Wereley initially reported. I feel the science, and the world of hurt in the GOM, will ultimately substantiate the higher estimates.

    I also believe it better serves the public interest to err on the higher end. It's likely that BP's liability, and the government's liability, will be based on the number of barrels of oil per day stated in the final report from the Flow Rate Technical Group. It would be exponentially horrible for the Gulf, and it's inhabitants, human and animal, to get screwed over and over again.  

    Fines are based on the amount of oil (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:20:58 AM EST
    that is spilled. Low-balling the amount favors BP's bottom line, and screws the people in the Gulf and the American taxpayer.  The Interior Dept, and various WH spokespeople, like Carol Browner, have been less than forthcoming about the amounts. The range they have been citing in media interviews and on the Interior Dept. website is the low-ball figure.

    We need to collect on the fines, collect on the royalties that BP and other oil cos. owe the taxpayers, and make BP pay-as-it-goes for the clean-up and the economic damage. I know Obama took a bill for $69 mil. down to the Gulf with him today. Nice PR stunt, but to quote Jerry McGuire, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!"

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    Report: Oil Spill damage known in April (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by jbindc on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 08:07:17 AM EST
    Now, this report is from Richard Wolff, so take it for what it's worth, but it's not a good outlook for the gulf:

    Critics have bashed President Obama for being slow to seize the political initiative in combating the BP oil spill in the Gulf Coast, now widely believed to be the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history. The White House has battled back, releasing a timeline of events showing that Obama was briefed--and deploying the Coast Guard--within 24 hours of the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

    What has not been previously disclosed: The president was not only briefed on the real-time events of the spill, but also on just how bad it would be--and how hard it would be to plug the hole.

    Click Image to See Dramatic Photos and Video of the Spill

    Article - Dramatic Oil Spill - Gallery Launch
    Carol Browner, director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy, told Obama at one of the earliest briefings in late April that the blowout would likely lead to an unprecedented environmental disaster, senior White House aides told The Daily Beast. Browner warned that capping a well at such depths had never been done before, and that they ought to expect an oil spill that would continue until a relief well was drilled in August, the aide said.

    That early briefing on the scope of the spill--and enormous technical challenges involved in fixing it--might help explain the sense of fatalism that has infused Obama's team from the start.

    Little that has happened since has changed their mind-set. Now six weeks later, the president's top advisers expect the oil spill--and the negative stories--to continue through August.

    The fact that Team Obama was warned of the extent of the disaster so early on suggests that White House officials were aware of the environmental challenge long before they decided to demonstrate concern via presidential visits to the Gulf.

    When asked about the prospects for the new cap fitted over the leaking well earlier this week, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs voiced little optimism. "I'm long out of the prediction business on this," he told reporters on Air Force One on Friday. "Everyone is hopeful that this works." His comments were echoed by Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, the national incident commander for the BP spill--who warned reporters against "over-optimism."

    Given the lack of technical capabilities on the sea floor, there's not much the White House can do to plug the hole. And there are limited options for effectively preventing the oil from reaching large stretches of coastline. Instead, Obama's team is focusing on the options at their immediate disposal--methods of news management and presidential communication.

    Obama's aides have grown increasingly frustrated with the public criticism that the president has failed to express sufficient anger. As Gibbs put it at a recent briefing, "If jumping up and down and screaming were to fix a hole in the ocean, we'd have done that five or six weeks ago. We'd have done that the first night."

    For those of you near the gulf (and all up the southern east coast) - we are $crewed.

    Oil spill inaction (none / 0) (#16)
    by jackson on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 10:32:21 AM EST
    There are 2 separate issues with the resoponse to the oil spill.  First is stopping the flow of additional oil.  I am not aware of anything that the administration could be doing that it is not doing -- or anything that BP isn't doing.  correct me if I am wrong -- I may well be.
    Second is the protection of the beaches and marshalnds.  Here, there is a great deal that the administration could do that it is not doing.  Teh revelation that Obama was briefed early on that the leak probably would nto be stopped any time soon make the lack fo action all the more appalling.  It is sickening that they are just starting to build the new barrier dunes that the state has been asking for for over  amonth -- and that they are leaving it to BP to build them.

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    Waiting for Placido. This morning's (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 02:05:54 PM EST
    KUSC FM opera show is LA Opera's current production of "Die Walkueri" by, of course, Richard Wagner.  Domingo is singing Siegmund, but we aren't there yet!  Long song.  Good production.  Linda Watson as Brunnhilde, Michelle de Young as Sieglinde.  

    Operation: Make the World Hate Us (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 02:55:03 PM EST
    Israel does not need enemies: it has itself. Or more precisely: it has its government. The Netanyahu-Barak government has somehow found a way to lose the moral high ground, the all-important war for symbols and meanings, to Hamas. That is quite an accomplishment. Operation Make the World Hate Us, it might have been called.....

    ... Things are said critically about Israel that wildly burst the bounds of thoughtful criticism. The language in which Israel is described by some governments and international organizations is lurid and grotesque and foul. Anti-Semitic tropes--the conspiracy theory about the Jews, most conspicuously--are regularly encountered in otherwise respectable places....

    But it is emphatically not the whole picture, except for those Israelis and Jews whose political interests and ideological inclinations prefer it to be the whole picture. For there are forces in Israel, and in its government, that have a use for Jewish hopelessness....[right wing uses it well]

    A real "Freedom Flotilla" would have sailed for Gaza to liberate it from its rulers. For Hamas stifles Gaza from within even as Israel stifles it from without. It oppresses the Palestininans who live under its sway and has brought them ruin. When did it become progressive to support a theocracy?....

    A real "Freedom Flotilla" would have sailed for Gaza to liberate it from its rulers. For Hamas stifles Gaza from within even as Israel stifles it from without. It oppresses the Palestininans who live under its sway and has brought them ruin. When did it become progressive to support a theocracy?...

    Leon Wieseltier via Laura Rozen

    Good read, better than the usual black and white commentary.

    Helen Thomas says Jews should (none / 0) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 11:32:05 PM EST
    go back to Germany and Poland.

    It is time for Helen to retire.

    And back home to America, she said (none / 0) (#9)
    by Cream City on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 04:26:25 AM EST
    as well.  Why omit that Americans also are occupying forces there, too?

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    'Cause it sounds better ... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Yman on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 07:07:17 AM EST
    ... the way jimakaPPJ says it.  Wouldn't be much of a soundbite if you just said that she was advocating for the return to pre-partition/1948 status.  This way, it makes it sound like Helen Thomas is in favor of sending Jews back to the Holocaust.

    But I'm guessing your question was rhetorical. :)

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    Out of context? (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 08:14:32 AM EST
    You can view the video.

    For a noted journalist to say something like this is just wrong. Her true feelings about Jews, not Israel...which is the normal way anti-Semitics hide their feelings, is on clear display. A White House concerned with not sponsoring hate would bar her from news conferences.

    What would you say about someone who said that about Latinos? Would it be acceptable?

    As for McCarthy, all I have ever said about him is that he was correct in his belief that there were Soviet spies in the government, but wrong in his methods of exposing them.

    Re: What Barack Obama Needs To Learn From Richard (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 14, 2006 at 08:03:51 PM EST"

    And if you are interested in the subject of Soviet spies, I recommend Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America as a primer. It is based on NSA records of Soviet transmissions and Soviet records released by Russia.

    So there you go Donald. Sorry I can't be more positive... Perhaps all the dust in my parent's basement has wrapped my sense of humor.

    ;-)

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    She's advocating ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Yman on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 08:41:38 AM EST
    ... a return to pre-partition status, not revealing her "true (hidden) feelings about Jews".  Agree or disagree with her on that issue, but it doesn't make her an anti-Semite.

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    She plainly is saying that Jews (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 09:29:25 AM EST
    should be forced to leave. That could include all those who have lived there pre '48. That would include those born there post '48...

    You don't find that disgusting?

    I ask you what I asked Donald.

    What would you say if someone, say Beck, said that all Latinos should be deported???

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    Watch the video again (none / 0) (#15)
    by Yman on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 09:49:02 AM EST
    She "plainly" says no such thing:

    Q:  "Any comments on Israel?"

    A:  "Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine."

    Q:  (Laughter) ... "Any better comments on Israel."

    A:  "Remember, these people (Palestinians) are occupied, and it's their land.  It's not German, it's not Poland ...

    Q:  "So where should they go?"

    A:  "Go home.

    Q:  "Where's home"

    A:  "Poland, Germany ..."

    Q:  "So they should just go back to Poland and Germany?"

    A:  "... and America, and everywhere else ..."  (emphasis mine)

    She's clearly talking about the people who immigrated to Israel from other countries, not people who were from Palestine.  As far as people born in Israel, she doesn't discuss people born there after '48, so I don't know what her position would be.  Either way, implicitly advocating for the dissolution of Israel does not, per se, make someone an anti-Semite.

    BTW - I disagree with her.

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    No one "plainly said they should (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 11:21:40 AM EST
    be FORCED to leave"

    Those particular words are, once again, the result of the noises in your head coming together to form a semi-coherent message that conforms with your pre-existing worldview.

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    Not forced??? (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 02:07:32 PM EST
    Well, just how else do you think it would be done...?????????

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    Jim, Jim, Jim (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 02:20:11 PM EST
    When you tell people they "should do..or should go..." does that of necessity mean that you're preparing to FORCE them to do the aforementioned?

    I think if you weren't so ready-willing-and-able to propagandize at any opportunity, these not-so-subtle distinctions wouldn't constantly pass you by.  

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    It describes what she wants... (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 02:24:42 PM EST
    Which was my comment.

    BTW - She has now apologized. Too little and too late but it shows she knew had revealed herself to the world.

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    What liberal women want? (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 02:33:21 PM EST
    whether they know it or not..

    lol

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    Saying the distinction (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 03:09:00 PM EST
    passed you by, is being too kind though..

    You thought you saw an opening to slide in yet another lie, and you went for it, "revealing yourself" yet again.

    Im also curious whence comes this kind of off-the-rails chutzpah, when you're deleting and banning anyone who contradicts you at your own site..  

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    I swear I often think you are a bit daft.. (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 04:04:16 PM EST
    The subject was Jews and Israel. She her comments to see "what she wants."

    lol

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    I still dont see anywhere (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 04:34:59 PM EST
    where she says they should be "forced out": which, makes you, if not cracked, just another run-of-the-mill rw chickensh*t liar.

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    Chichenhawksh*t (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 04:47:01 PM EST
    would actually probably be more accurate.

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    Stuttering again? (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 06:55:46 PM EST
    heh

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    heh (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 07:04:19 PM EST
    Don't do that too hard: nobody's around to clean you up if you soil yourself.

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    Explain to me how that works (none / 0) (#49)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 07:10:48 PM EST
    again, Jim: no debate allowed at YOUR site, but you're allowed to come here and spread made up stories about prominent Americans advocating violence against Israel.

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    You find that funny? (none / 0) (#50)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 07:46:49 PM EST
    Not a problem to make fun of some people's disabilities, huh Jim?  You really are a very, very small person.

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    Thought you only approved ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Yman on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 08:08:46 PM EST
    You really are a very, very small person.

    ... of comments that add something substantive to the conversation?

    Funny, how that works ...

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    So you approve of making fun (none / 0) (#52)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 08:27:02 PM EST
    of peoples disabilities as well.  I guess I'm not surprised based on your comments here.  

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    Not at all (none / 0) (#53)
    by Yman on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 08:32:34 PM EST
    I wasn't discussing jimakaPPJ's comment, and I don't approve of making fun of anyone's disabilities.

    Now their hypocrisy, on the other hand ...

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    This sniping back and forth (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 09:18:41 PM EST
    thing is fun, eh? Let's all get in on it!

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    Says the guy ... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Yman on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 09:34:39 PM EST
    ... with how many sniping comments with jimakaPPJ in just the past day?

    Good one ....

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    I was poking fun (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 10:33:06 PM EST
    at myself there, also Y. You should try it sometime, (at yourself I mean, not me.)

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    Should've realized (none / 0) (#57)
    by Yman on Sun Jun 06, 2010 at 11:37:46 AM EST
    After all, you're such a funny guy.  Then again, given how others squeak about "mindreading" and "fortune telling" (in all seriousness), it's difficult to tell ...

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    Making Stuff Up Again? (none / 0) (#20)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:13:09 PM EST
    You can't help yourself, can you. She has been staunchly against the right wing regime in Israel, and the right wing warmongering here in US.

    At this point there is no solution for the Israeli Palestinian conflict. In order for Israel to continue to be a Jewish State, either they need to get rid of more Palestinians, and take their land, or reproduce at a much faster rate than the arabs.

    Considering that this is 2010, not 1948, another idea would be for the Jews to disband the project and repatriate Germany, Poland etc.

    Of course discussing the idea of why a Jewish state now, is taboo as the right wing would have it. The right wing functions better to have their population constantly worried that the world wants to wipe them off the planet.

    And of course progressive intrepid reporter that she is, she uttered a provocative idea that has been vilified. And of course she issued the requisite apology. But you knew that.

    The fact that her saying what she did can be used by right wingers, like you, to suggest that she is anti-semitic, hates the jews, hates Israel, is why everyone's lips are sealed, and any reasonable discussion about the Jewish State, is far off limits.

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    I heard a rabbi on the (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:26:18 PM EST
    XM liberal channel 'make it plain' show with Mark Thompson ( excellent show, btw, 6-8 pm EST) suggest that at this point the only thing to do may be for the world community to  impose a settlement on both Israel and the Palestinians, if they can't come to an agreement. Basically have a council like the one that created Israel in the 40s convene and draw new boundaries. Kind of a 'we gave it to you, we can take it away' approach.

    devil is in the details of course.

    I'll find his web site and link to it.  Thompson always has interesting guests- he is black himself and taps a much deeper pool of talent than the mainstream media seems to find.

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    Rabbi Michael Lerner (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:33:14 PM EST
    at Tikkun Magazine online.  Fresh liberal perspectives, for me anyway. Good to see.

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    Can't find Thompson's blog (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:34:49 PM EST
    Outside of twitter and Facebook. don't like that trend.

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    I have no problem with idiots (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 01:20:58 PM EST
    who cant tell the difference between an out-and-out lie and an opinion being deported.

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    That borders on libel (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 06:49:57 PM EST
    From someone who wont even debate people at his own site, for fear of things getting off-message.

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    Wrapped AND warped (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 11:40:32 AM EST
    ..and not only the sense of humor, but the cognitive apparatus. Such as it is.

    "I have here in my hand a list of two hundred people in the State Department.."
    Who are secret communists. Or secret Muslims. Or secret secularists. Or secret climate change hoax conspirators. Or secret Open Borders supporters..Etc etc

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    Video: Librarians Do Ga Ga (none / 0) (#4)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:15:13 AM EST
    Oh, just click on it already.

    Interesting article on South Korean (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 10:59:38 AM EST
    naval ship, U.S./South Korean military exercises, and what a mini-sub can do:  AP

    Just watched Wag The Dog again (none / 0) (#30)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 01:44:39 PM EST
    last night. It's even more funny now then it was in 1997. When Wag the Dog was released, the film was satire. Isn't it interesting how yesterday's satire becomes today's prophecy.
    Wag the Dog is a 1997 black comedy film starring Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman about a Washington spin doctor who, merely days before a presidential election, distracts the electorate from a sex scandal [how quaint, substitute environmental disaster] by hiring a Hollywood film producer to construct a fake war with Albania. The scheme enlists the aid of a country music singer, who creates several theme songs for the war; a "fad king"; and a costume designer, who helps create a fictional special forces unit to fight the war's supposed battles.


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    NYT opinion editor collects opinions (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:25:26 PM EST
    re legality of Israel's blockade of Gaza:  NYT

    Rachel Corrie Relief Ship Diverted To Israel (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 12:43:55 PM EST
    The Israeli military said activists on the Rachel Corrie did not resist when troops boarded the ship.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had instructed Israeli forces not to harm the activists.....

    On Saturday, thousands of people gathered in Istanbul to protest against Israel for Monday's deadly raid.

    United Nations human rights chief Navi Pillay said Saturday Israel's blockade may be illegal.  Pillay said that under international humanitarian law, "starvation of civilians as a method of warfare" is prohibited.  She also said the law prohibits imposing "collective punishment" on civilians.

    VOA

    The Gaza-bound aid ship "Rachel Corrie" arrived Saturday at the Israeli port city of Ashdod after Israel Defense Forces soldiers boarded the ship peacefully and escorted it into Israeli territory. The move came after warnings that Israel would not allow the vessel to reach Gaza, which is under blockade by Israel, and several days after an Israel Navy takeover of another boat headed for the Hamas-ruled coastal strip ended in violent clashes and the deaths of nine passengers....

    An IDF spokesman said Saturday that Israeli special forces soldiers used boats to board the ship, and were not air-dropped as in the nighttime takeover of the Mavi Marmara on Monday....

    The group of IDF soldiers that boarded the ship included several female soldiers to handle the female passengers on board.

    Haaretz

    Workplace Discrimination (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 01:02:34 PM EST
    Everything about Debrahlee Lorenzana is hot. Even her name sizzles. At five-foot-six and 125 pounds, with soft eyes and flawless bronze skin, she is J.Lo curves meets Jessica Simpson rack meets Audrey Hepburn elegance--a head-turning beauty.

    In many ways, the story of her life has been about getting attention from men--both the wanted and the unwanted kind. But when she got fired last summer from her job as a banker at a Citibank branch in Midtown--her bosses cited her work performance--she got even hotter. She sued Citigroup, claiming that she was fired solely because her bosses thought she was too hot.

    This is the way Debbie Lorenzana tells it: Her bosses told her they couldn't concentrate on their work because her appearance was too distracting. They ordered her to stop wearing turtlenecks. She was also forbidden to wear pencil skirts, three-inch heels, or fitted business suits. Lorenzana, a 33-year-old single mom, pointed out female colleagues whose clothing was far more revealing than hers: "They said their body shapes were different from mine, and I drew too much attention," she says.

    Is This Woman Too Hot To Be a Banker?

    Her posture is most un-banker like! (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 01:23:47 PM EST
    Somehow I think there's (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 01:38:20 PM EST
    a good chance some other things may be opening up for her in the near future. Call it a hunch; gut instinct.

    It may even be something in the banking field.

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    Like they never saw a pretty girl before (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 03:05:56 PM EST
    Did they give any thought to firing or disciplining the men who can't focus on their work?

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    No (none / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 03:19:38 PM EST
    They were just acting "normal".... lol  

    I think that she has a great case, and I wonder if the arbitration clause that citi makes its employes sign, is trumped by title VII, because it sure seems like a discrimination case to me.

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    This is pretty cool (none / 0) (#39)
    by CST on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 03:14:26 PM EST
    although the headline is a bit misleading:

    "Nasa scientists discover evidence 'that alien life exists on Saturn's moon'"

    more like - Nasa scientists discover evidence that highly suggests alien life on Titan.  Basically, all the "chemistry" on Titan is correct for life, and there seems to be an otherwise unexplainable disappearance of hydrogen gas as one approaches the surface - which suggests that some "life form" might exist that is consuming the gas the way we consume oxygen.

    Also in the article - in about 4 billion years when the sun eventually becomes a red giant, Titan might be a pretty cool place to live.

    Beam me up now Scottie. (none / 0) (#40)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 03:16:38 PM EST
    I remember back in (none / 0) (#42)
    by brodie on Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 04:00:23 PM EST
    '96 or '97 when that rock from Mars supposedly was highly suggestive of biological life.

    Huge story.  President Clinton presser.  Special scientific panel to investigate the rock set up.  Enormous public buzz.  Even cable channels break into their normal lousy programming to go live.

    This one?  Might not even merit a mention on the 24/7 "news channel" CNN.

    What's the difference?  Or is it that we've become more jaded about these This Might Be the Big One scientific stories that don't pan out in the end.

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