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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Obama Administration
Posted on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:16:07 PM EST
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Ezra Klein:

According to some of [Ben Smith's administration sources], Jim Messina, White House deputy chief of staff, was impressed by the speed with which Tom Vilsack canned Shirley Sherrod. "We could have waited all day," he reportedly said. "We could have had a media circus. But we took decisive action and it’s a good example of how to respond in this atmosphere."

(Emphasis supplied.) You gotta be effing kidding me.

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    Well, now, let's give the White House (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:24:37 PM EST
    credit when credit is due.  After all, it has been so frustrating to see it act so slowly on so many issues.

    See, it can act fast!

    (Now, about employment and the economy. . . .)

    It's almost the only thing one can say (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:32:22 PM EST
    in response to Messina's self-congratulatory remarks - "you gotta be effing kidding me" - because those remarks defy credulity, are devoid of any semblance of a clue, and are totally lacking in class.  I guess Jon Favreau's having more influence than we ever imagined...

    I may fall off my chair if this ends up with Obama inviting Vilsack, Sherrod and Breitbart to the WH for Beer Summit II...and I will laugh my a$$ off when Shirley Sherrod politely, but pointedly, declines.

    I tell ya, this is some conversation we're having about race, isn't it?  

    I see a beer summit on the horizon, (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:02:34 PM EST
    as WH is backpedaling:  AP

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    Ah. Messina - Baucus's gift to the Obama WH, the (none / 0) (#54)
    by jawbone on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 10:39:51 AM EST
    guy who guided Obama to develop the wondrous Big Health Insurers' Profit Protection Plan, aka health insurance reform. Also known as HCR -- High Corporate Revenues.

    Ha. A gift that keeps on giving.

    (Silent bitter laughter)

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    Does anyone here have the sense (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:48:48 PM EST
    that this White House will have, at long last, learned from this?  

    Anyone?  Buehler?

    I would have thought that it would have learned something after the knee-jerk defensiveness that had to end in a biergarten at the White House.

    But I am watching the presser now.  It's hopeless.  And to think that this was to be such a smart president.  Smart people learn from mistakes.

    I can't stop giggling... (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:59:00 PM EST
    I could blame it on the heat if I wasn't sitting in a freezing-cold office in a heavy sweater (the high-90's temps will actually feel good for the first 10 minutes after I leave work), but the way this has been handled by the WH and Vilsack gives new meaning to the term "buffoon."

    They are probably engaged in a serious conversation now about whether you can invite a woman to the WH to drink beer, or if you should make it tea and cucumber sandwiches, or RC Cola and Moon Pies...


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    Oh lordy, I had a similar thought (none / 0) (#21)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:04:05 PM EST
    a while ago, seeing this lovely lady, that she well might say "oh, no, may I have some tea instead, please"?

    Read down for more that is running right now on CNN.  "Buffoons" does not begin to capture just how incompetent as well as kneejerk the White House looks.

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    well, it seems that ... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by nyrias on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:15:19 PM EST
    foxnews is playing the white house like a piano.

    First, they embarrassed the WH with Sherrod, appearing like a racist. Now the WH looks even worse when the truth comes out.

    Either way, Foxnews' original goal of embarrassing the executive branch is achieved with flying colors, with quite a bit of help from the current administration, i may add.

    And all this has zero implications on any policy debate. I guess this is the epitome of politics of making the other side look bad.

    and Fox will get no punishment (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 04:59:11 PM EST
    for the outright lying and manufacturing of this story.

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    And Olbermann and MSNBC (none / 0) (#40)
    by BTAL on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 07:12:54 PM EST
    get a free pass too.

    If we can agree to call out the media "extremists" then I'm willing go meet at the 50 yard line.

    If not, then it is a moot point and let the best spinmeisters win.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 05:58:22 AM EST
    I don't watch them either.

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    But the difference is that this WH (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 05:59:40 AM EST
    will never fire anyone in response to pressure from the left, only the right can put such fear in their hearts.

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    i wonder (none / 0) (#47)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:59:31 AM EST
    what Dan Rather & Mary Mapes think . . .

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    of course not ... (none / 0) (#50)
    by nyrias on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 04:54:58 PM EST
    have any news outlet EVER got punished by quoting people out of context?

    Remember, YOU have the same first amendment right to quote people out of context and "manufacture" stories.

    You really can't blame them for knowing how to play the game.

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    Fox Keeps Twitting The WHouse (none / 0) (#51)
    by norris morris on Fri Jul 23, 2010 at 08:44:07 PM EST
     Obama and the rest of the political jerks in his administration should have learned by now that their defensiveness regarding Fox appears witless and weak.  Voters have contempt for this kind of issue mismanagement and the odor of fear that emanates from this kind of incompetence and cluelessness.

    Obama has not been able to control the message.  His inner circle is not helping him, and Obama seems out of touch with the......Pulse.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Fri Jul 23, 2010 at 08:48:39 PM EST
    Maybe people like you who are apt to turn every move into politics, and grind their axe.

    But for most Americans, they do not like it when someone acts in good faith, and is tricked by a clever liar.

    I think that this does no damage to Obama. More damage to the players that are obviously playing dirty pool.


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    Gibbs press brief (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:18:32 PM EST
    Tapper? Sherrod is watching on CNN is there anything you want to say? giggle.  I'm serious, she's watching right now.

    Gibbs: Sect trying to reach her, hopes he reaches her soon.  Sec will apol for actions, on behalf of admin I offer our apologies.  We will continue to look at what happened over 24-36 hours and what happened, how did we not ask, how did you not ask, we made a mistake,

    Tapper: You over reacted because you are afraid of conservative commentators?

    Gibbs points at media frenzy.

    Q: race relation.  G: teachable moment.  Fairnes, review needs to be undertaken.  Facts change and react to different facts.  Q: national summit. Q: teacher of teachable moment? G: not necessarily president, question themselves if you can learn, (gross, my cat is drinking my tea)  Q: ? G: disservice done, facts change, review.  Q: hypersensitive on race?  G: don't agree with that any more than I do the comment on cons comments.

    G: vilsack doing terrific work at Agri.  Apologize for those here.  Q: why not admin leave? Q: is this about race or media.  G: all of that involved in larger story, rapid advance in tech, race culture media policits created today's environment.  Pres spoke at WC mem service and not getting something first, but right is true for all of us.

    Q: black settlement cause Vilsack's over reaction.  G: paying out decades long descrim. settlement, zero tolerance because of history, (discussion of multiple settlements, distribution of money)

    Q: if this ends too big too fail, why resolution authority.  G: authority to break apart, can't fix-liquidate.  Q: allowing to get huge.  G: authority to break apart will prevent meltdown.  Q: prevent AIG?  G: prevents and light of day.  Q: what your doing to prevent them for getting too big won't work? G: mechanism to break apart now exists.

    Q: Messina handling of Sherrod?  G: I did not hear.  Others said they did not hear that.  Q: rw media spooked WH, Jones, Sherrod, departures have nothing to do with campaign against them?  G: why do you do stories on them?  Q: discharge her because Beck was having her on.  G: why do YOU do these stories?

    Q: Sherrod did not get due process will this change process?  G: everybody take time to learn full facts.  Q: Sherrod convinced WH involved?  G: Sec said.  Q: Sec said he didn't but others might have.  G: not to our knowledge.  Q:  can we talk to Cheryl Cook?  G: USDA.  

    Q: (major) econ outlook uncertain, agree? G: won't parse Bernanke, we have improved conditions but no doubt not improved for enough people.  Q: uncertainty WH sees that BB sees? G: Dec 2007 fragile economy.  Q: WaPo strong 2nd qtr, but Germ, Gaza, oil spill create uncertainty... etc, does Pres agree with WaPo article?  G: Greek ?.

    Q: WH informed but not consulted re firing.  Pressure from WH to agree to reconsider.  G: WH and USDA agreed on review.  Q: Pres judgment of Vilsacks ability to run and judgemtn giving Dept rep?  G: zero tolerance policy, limited info, Q: no one asked for full speech.  G: reconsidering.

    Q: when was Pres told?  G: likely late yesterday morning.  Q: reaction? G: incomplete info, supportive.  Obviously new info, review taken.  Q: who G: group of staff.  Q: new info? G: yesterday afternoon, early evening.  Q: viral frenzy, why? race so inflammatory, how to handle?  G: race has been a topic of discussion for a long time (wow, what insight) civil rights, justice, will continue to discuss.

    Q: jobless benes, timing? G: procedural hurdles shouldn't have to do, partisan minority continues stalling efforts.  Q: Cons Pro Agency? G: will make appts according to law, number of positions.  Q: Eliz Warren? G: EW ensure consumers on equal foot with banks, could be confirmed.

    Q: This is really absurd, you reached her 3xs to resign, has same number? Grand kids, first black in this position fired by first black Pres.  G: incomplete facts, regardless of race decision was wrong.

    Q: accomplishments to take effect (fox) G: 8.5 million jobs back, 2008-2010 losing to gaining jobs but big hole to fill, Pres frustrated.

    Good summary. Now, of course, Gibbs (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:34:37 PM EST
    ought to be fired, too.  He really made this even worse.  With the debate here about allegedly inappropriate laughter by the NAACP audience at Sherrod's speech, check out this presser for Gibbs' continued problem with inappropriate laughter. . . .

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    Gibbs (none / 0) (#52)
    by norris morris on Fri Jul 23, 2010 at 08:46:04 PM EST
    He's a talker.

    He repeats the lines.

    He says nothing and gives nothing.

    He screws up.

    Why does he have this job?

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    One Other Point (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by kaleidescope on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 05:28:45 PM EST
    If you haven't watched the whole 42 minute speech Ms. Sherrod gave, it is really interesting.  A great speech.  She recounts how her father was murdered by a white man who got off scott free even though there were three eye witnesses to the murder.  She also recounts a bunch of Klan types burning a cross on her front lawn and her family calling all their friends to come and surround the Klansmen.  Riveting oral history I would want my kids to watch.

    This is one tough working class lady who has paid massive dues.

    White House Drops The Ball...[again]. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by norris morris on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 06:02:49 PM EST
    Messina, Gibbs,& the whole bunch are like a group of clowns running in diffeent directions.   Obama had to actually go on air Fri. evening to tell us about his accomplishments for the week. Why?

    Becuse le affaire Sherrod took all the air out of the White House,  once more we witness Obama's bad timing and flaccid "accomplishment report" as we continue   thinking,talking,and writing about  Sherrod all weekend.

    Whatever Obama bragged about was lost in the media noise caused by the administrations defensiveness, poor timing, and outright
    inept behavior.  Another look at Obama's disease, "Afraid Of Fox". Message control to Fox.

    There is apparently no Pro currrently in the Obama inner circle who can supply him with the intuitive ear necessary to connect with the electorate.  Certainly there's no one who has
    mastered the vital ability to frame and control the message.

    And contradictions abound. Obama feels Reagan was "transformational" and prefers to admire Reagan as a great leader that he he models his personna on. On the other hand, he has the stones to compare himself and the rotten HCR bill to FDR's truly transformational presidency.

    The Insurance Profitability Forever Health Care bill is touted by the WHouse as the greatest piece of legislation since FDR,Truman,LBJ, etc, etc.

    The sleaze is piling up as Fox Bullies control the news.

    Yes, cave in to the circus immediately (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:19:50 PM EST
    That always works.

    Fighting the right wing media machine is so divisive.

    You asked for it (none / 0) (#2)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:21:32 PM EST
    Hey, you wanted a face to attach to the cowering.

    Kinda (none / 0) (#3)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:23:51 PM EST
    Contradicts the WH denial that they had anything to do with her firing...

    Surprise, surprise..... (none / 0) (#5)
    by vicndabx on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:26:03 PM EST
    Obama does not have the luxury to be generous or easy with blacks in his administration.

    Agreed.  Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, the need to appear even-handed w/treatment of your own kind is the primary concern for the first black president.  You can apologize to people later.  Believe me they understand the reality.

    Post-racial, we aren't quite there yet.

    He has the luxury to be fair (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:43:39 PM EST
    And Sherrod is not going along with 'understanding the reality'.

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    Well (none / 0) (#18)
    by vicndabx on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:00:49 PM EST
    I haven't heard her saying, "I don't understand why I would need to be fired for implying I had some bias toward white folks many years ago."  Granted, I haven't seen all the footage of her appearances on the TV.

    There have been two other instances where the administration appeared to judge the events in favor of the black person at the center of the story (Gates, Rev. Wright) and they didn't go over so well.  

    The last thing the administration needs is to allow the narrative that there's any tolerance of a "certain point of view" creep into the public's mindset.  We've already got tea-partiers going all bat$hit.  How will the drive to do something for immigration go if large swaths of the country think you play favorites?

    I have heard her say there shouldn't have been a rush to judgement which undoubtedly is true.

    Again, I don't think it's right, just reality.

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    I did not even know about this story (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:06:19 PM EST
    until yesterday but man, you are so far behind it is not funny.

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    Could be, I'll read up some more (none / 0) (#31)
    by vicndabx on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:36:19 PM EST
    to see if she's said something that contradicts the point I've been trying to make.  I haven't heard anything from the interviews I saw this AM.

    Like you, I just started following this myself yesterday.

    To be clear, my point is, since Rev. Wright, since Gates, the administration must get out in front of any issue involving race and not look like it takes the "black side."  Further, Sherrod would understand the need to do so in order to appear impartial.  She may not agree w/the tactics, the "what," the "how."  She would however, IMO, understand the "why."

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    In the event (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by standingup on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 08:30:09 PM EST
    you have not found this in your reading yet:

    Sherrod said officials showed no interest in listening to her explanation when she was asked to resign. She said she was on the road Monday when USDA deputy undersecretary Cheryl Cook called her and told her to pull over and submit her resignation on her Blackberry because the White House wanted her out.

    "It hurts me that they didn't even try to attempt to see what is happening here, they didn't care," Sherrod said. "I'm not a racist. ... Anyone who knows me knows that I'm for fairness." AP

    And another account of how she felt from WALB in Albany where Sherrod resides:

    She knows it's tough on the front lines. "Being on the front line means you run into situations like this there are bumps in the road I look at it that way, this is quite a big bump though to be treated in this way," Sherrod said.

    Sherrod who's fought for others rights felt she couldn't stand up to her bosses in Washington after they put her on administrative leave, then called for her resignation even though she feels she's done nothing wrong.

    "I just didn't feel like I had what it took to fight them  How could I fight the Department of Agriculture and the President."

    She feels like no one's been willing to fight for her. "It hurts especially when the NAACP is doing it and Roland Martin is doing it.  These are black people, they never asked me what happened, these are people who haven't been on the front line like I have for 45 years..." Link

    I don't believe Sherrod did understand.  If she understood why didn't she accept what was done instead of speaking out in her own defense?  I also believe showed great courage in not keeping quiet, probably with the knowledge that she would not be the last to have this happen if it was allowed to go unchallenged.  


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    You are implying she did anything (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:52:20 PM EST
    even the least bit wrong. She did not.

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    so in other words (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by The Addams Family on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 08:24:18 PM EST
    a syllogism:

    (a) if the first black president faces a conflict between acting fairly & appearing impartial toward others of his race, & if

    (b) the first black president's presidential duty, like any other president's presidential duty, is to act fairly in a particular situation, then

    (c) the first black president's race is an impediment to his doing the job, which would tend to mean that the first black president, because of his race, should not be president because his race makes him unable to carry out the duties of the office without exception

    thanks for clearing that up

    Post-racial, we aren't quite there yet

    you got that right

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    No, that's not what I'm saying at all (none / 0) (#45)
    by vicndabx on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 06:39:39 AM EST
    You can't seriously think race has nothing to do w/how some issues are handled.....

    maybe you do, and therein lies the problem.

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    of course that is what you are saying (none / 0) (#46)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:53:18 AM EST
    without understanding what you are saying

    & of course an opportunistic white racism (not "race") is involved in some of the rightwing attacks

    & the answer is not to cave to the racists but to fight back & call them out

    this notion that Obama does not have the "luxury" to be fair & impartial when the big bad wepubwicans go all wacist is a pernicious idea - way to get punkd & the Obama admin did

    the notion was pernicious when first posted in an earlier thread & is still pernicious as quoted by you in this thread

    & it does amount to saying that a black president is ipso facto not up to the job b/c he or she cannot perform the duties of the office w/out exception - sorry but that is the logical conclusion of this notion

    & i don't think i'm hearing it expressed by any black folks - just sayin'

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    You are free to believe what you wish (none / 0) (#48)
    by vicndabx on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:06:28 PM EST
    You are free to believe that this is only about right wing republican press.

    IMO, the real issue here is not right wing republicans at all.  Rather, it is concern over what liberal and independent white dems think w/regard to the very even-handedness/fairness you allude to in your posts.  For example, the president did what I would see as "fair" w/the Gates issue, he was vilified.  You still see the jokes here throughout these threads, e.g. "beer summit."

    Folks such as yourself who are quick to point out the president isn't up to the job/have some compliant w/his approach to issues involving race are the prime example of where I suspect the real concern of the administration was w/this whole affair.  

    Oh, and your condescension is boring and your syllogism doesn't work for me.  Believe me, I know exactly what i'm saying, I'm pretty smart.  A political administration only concerns itself w/what is fair and not what is politically expedient?  Maybe in a perfect world.  

    In what way is the president not up to the job?  His admininstration made a mistake as most presidents (see: people) do.  The mistake was corrected.

    Why can't people just post their comments w/o all the passive-aggressive sniping?  It really detracts from the discussion.

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    for god's sake (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:48:27 PM EST
    Folks such as yourself who are quick to point out the president isn't up to the job/have some compliant w/his approach to issues involving race are the prime example of where I suspect the real concern of the administration was w/this whole affair.

    i did not say that here or anywhere

    i said & believe that your argument inevitably leads to such a conclusion

    it's a patronizing, paternalistic argument that serves white racism

    Sherrod has this to say about Obama:

    He is not someone who has experienced what I have experienced through life, being a person of color. He might need to hear some of what I could say to him.

    Sherrod ought to know - her own father was murdered by white racists & her family was attacked by the KKK

    & btw the Obama admin's way of "correcting" the "mistake" was to claim that "the facts" had "changed" when the facts had not changed at all

    they got rolled by the rightwing racist neanderthals who no doubt understood that they could get away with it b/c of this White Man's Burden mentality among some so-called progressives

    & that's all i have to say about it unless & until this pernicious notion surfaces again in another thread

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    Shorter Messina: (none / 0) (#7)
    by mentaldebris on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:37:51 PM EST
    When Fox News demands, we jump.

    Who cares that it was a hacked together, out of context, typical conservative drama fest based on lies?  That's besides the point. Who cares that we forced a person out of her job under false pretenses whipped up by a fictional "news" story? We nipped the problem in the bud.

    I can see why he is so impressed. The WH looks like they jumped the gun, failed to get all the relevant information, acted on that incomplete information and embarrassed themselves. Again. All because this WH had some perverted and innate need to cater to Fox News conservatives. Impressive, very impressive. What a maroon.

    Keystone Kops (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:51:04 PM EST


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    Vilsack will apologize (none / 0) (#10)
    by MKS on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:49:33 PM EST
    says Gibbs....

    Obama needs to have a summit at the White House with only Sherrod.

    Well, that is what Obama needs (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:53:16 PM EST
    but I sure hope that Ms. Sherrod finds that she has a headache or has to wash her hair.

    Very funny! that Gibbs announces that the White House is trying so hard to find Ms. Sherrod -- while CNN is, with a splitscreen, showing her on the air there.  And then CNN comes on to announce that the White House can call CNN to talk to her.

    Good goddess, and these fools are running this country.

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    Oh my (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 04:43:10 PM EST
    i'm sorry i missed all this today. could have used a good belly laugh . . .

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    And the silly White House continues (none / 0) (#19)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:02:07 PM EST
    to apparently be oblivious to this very funny reality show on CNN.  We all now know that she has her phone, her Blackberry, with her -- the same one by which she was reached so swiftly for the administration to fire her.

    And there is so much more that is wonderfully funny as well as just wonderful about this current CNN interview with her, before and during and after the presser.

    But as she points out, she now is another unemployed American and has to go find out what to do next.  Why do I expect that next we will find out that our government f*cks up unemployment comp for her, too?  Wait, maybe she doesn't even qualify for it -- as with many of us who are government employees.

    Oh, it just gets better and better.  And CNN is having a sillyfest with it.

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    Good job avoiding the media circus, WH (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:04:57 PM EST


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    Yo, timeout! (none / 0) (#12)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:51:47 PM EST
    Nobody is ahead of me in line when it comes to calling out the obnoxious, strutting, clueless jerks infesting large swaths of the White House, but....

    What's fair is fair. I think we have a time-line problem here. Nobody, but nobody is stupid enough to say what Messini is alleged to have said, knowing all we know now. If that quote was stated with the thought and conviction that a thorny issue cropped up, and was handled quickly and decisively, that's one thing.....and understandable.

    The problem remains, however, those jerks seem to be addicted to the shoot first, aim later way of handling thing.

    Anyway, I'd like to know when Messina made those statements, and what he knew at that time.

    Fair point (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:54:25 PM EST
    I think it was at the staff meeting the morning the story broke.

    Stilll pretty damning.

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    Jim Messina who? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by MKS on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:04:44 PM EST
    Whose job is the one at risk now?

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    Maybe he better get back together (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:15:58 PM EST
    with Loggins

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    Best comment of the day (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:59:01 PM EST
    And your momma don't dance and your daddy don't rock-n-roll....

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    Way too easy! (none / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 03:38:28 PM EST
    You want to believe that you are not the one to blame
    But I'm finding it hard my friend when I'm in the deadly aim
    Of your angry eyes

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    my comment too easy I mean (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 03:39:08 PM EST
    Not yours!

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    Yup, their problems (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:21:35 PM EST
    are metastasizing.

    Faint praise when your defense is, "hey, were not boorish, insensitive, jerks. Were just complete incompetents.  

    high fives all around. lol

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    Yup, their problems (none / 0) (#30)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:34:55 PM EST
    seem to be metastasizing.

    Faint praise when your defense is, "hey, were not boorish, insensitive, jerks. Were just complete incompetents.  

    high fives all around. lol


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    sorry for the double (none / 0) (#32)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:41:16 PM EST
    stupid puter, hanging up all day

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    Per the Politico link (none / 0) (#16)
    by BTAL on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 01:56:30 PM EST
    In a closed staff meeting Tuesday morning, a senior administration praised elements of the White House's initial response to a partial video of a speech by a Department of Agriculture official -- a response that the Administration has since reversed.

    And this from Gibb's presser as we speak:

    President Obama was briefed on Tuesday, "most likely in the morning," about the incident, Gibbs says. He "has been briefed today as well," he says.


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    Mission Accomplished? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by MKS on Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 02:44:13 PM EST
    The Right will love Breitbart even more for this.  He provided the mechanism by which the administration messed up royally.  

    The outright lie was worth it.....

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    This Sherrod fiasco is the ACORN destruction plan (none / 0) (#55)
    by jawbone on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 10:42:11 AM EST
    writ small.

    Dems have never apologized for believing edited, totally misleading video. Also part of the Breitbart attacks on the Democratic Party, voting rights.

    And they did not learn from the ACORN mess, either.

    Doomed party?

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