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Via kos, What the Florida GOP thinks of Latinos:

Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum on Wednesday proposed tougher curbs against illegal migrants in his melting-pot state which he said would go "one step further" than a similar contested Arizona law.

[. . .] "Florida will not be a sanctuary state for illegal aliens," added McCollum, accompanied by Representative Will Snyder. The legislation will require Florida law enforcement officials to check a suspected illegal immigrant's status in the course of a stop, or a violation of another law. [. . .] Florida, especially its southern portion, is a major U.S. migration destination for nationals from the Caribbean and Latin America, making it a cultural and racial melting-pot.

Feelin' the GOP love Latinos? What Latino in their right mind would ever be a Republican?

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    I've often wondered the same thing about (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:58:15 PM EST
    gay and lesbian Republicans. Why would anyone in the LGBT community join the GOP? But some do. Is it self-hatred? Is it a class/money thing? I don't know. After nearly 40 years out and about in the LGBT community I still do not understand the Log Cabin Club.

    I wonder about this too (none / 0) (#19)
    by TomStewart on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:34:14 PM EST
    How much self hatred is involved? Especially inviting Ann Colter (and paying her) to address your group of Republican gays. I don't hang around with people who hate me, life to way too short and hard enough sometimes with people who actually like me.

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    question? (none / 0) (#36)
    by efm on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 07:23:20 PM EST
    how do republicans hate gays more then democrats?
    Neither group is trying to make it illegal for people to be gay.  But even Obama doesn't approve of gay marriage.

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    I know a few gay Republicans (none / 0) (#48)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:05:13 PM EST
    and they are successful and affluent and very conservative on economic issues.  These are folks in professions where they don't have to hide and don't feel in the least discriminated against.  They don't like the GOP anti-gay policies, but none of it affects them personally and they figure, no doubt rightly, that anti-gay bias is melting away on its own over time anyway.

    I hate to say this about personal friends, but there's no demographic group that doesn't have some members who are essentially selfish and lacking empathy.

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    kind of how I feel (none / 0) (#59)
    by desmoinesdem on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 11:28:39 PM EST
    about Jewish Republicans.

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    Well, I suppose the legal Latino immigrants (none / 0) (#1)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:23:07 PM EST
    who's wages are reduced by, or who's jobs lost to, the illegal Latino immigrants might like the Republican stance on illegal immigration...

    Maybe till... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:36:32 PM EST
    they're "suspected" a couple of times, and god forbid they don't have their green card on 'em...

    The proposed legislation's provisions require that aliens carry immigration documentation or face a possible misdemeanor penalty of up to 20 days in jail for the first offense


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    As a very pale guy (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by TomStewart on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:29:41 PM EST
    I don't have to worry about anyone as me to prove my citizenship. That's they real problem with any of these laws, they'll never apply to a pasty guy like me, which means, by definition, they're racist.

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    Nope, as you will see in tomorrow's (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:35:37 PM EST
    Open Thread, when I post a link to the story, the latino who was deported tells us he was deported along with some non-latinos from Europe.

    Despite being a freckeled red-head I sure had my passport with me at all times when I went to England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, etc. I would suggest you do the same...

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    I did (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by TomStewart on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:42:38 PM EST
    and no one asked to see mine. they did ask to see my wife's (a black woman) until she spoke and they they saw she was from America and not any African country. They explained they were checking for illegals, she explained that it was racist. They shrugged and told her it was 'policy' and she didn't understand.

    Believe me, we both understood, then and now.

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    They asked to see mine in Columbia. (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:45:00 PM EST
    Since I stood out there like a sore thumb, I understand it was not racist at all.

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    Maybe you looked like a criminal. (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by mexboy on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:58:14 PM EST
    That is what you're implying about Latinos, whether you realize it or not. Those laws make us all criminals until proven innocent.

    BTW, There are plenty of Blonde,blue eyed, Colombians.

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    Hardly. (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:38:00 PM EST


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    I thought that the foundation of the US (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 07:22:57 PM EST
    was somewhat different than Colombia. You seem to have very strong feelings on the immigration issue. Earlier (on another thread), I recall that you alluded to different experiences that form our positions. True. My own is to never forget that my Polish and my Slovenian grandparents were immigrants, and that they came here to fulfill a dream (as well as to escape a plethora of deprivations in their country at the time.)

    So, I still buy into that dream. The Statue of Liberty's message and all. Oh, and it turns out that those many years ago, immigrants--like most of our forefathers/mothers--were given entry upon satisfaction that they were "not lunatics" and did "not have hoof & mouth disease."

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    Well said christine... (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 08:00:31 AM EST
    I always chuckle when people say "but my grandparents came here legally!"

    Yeah...they just showed up on the border or shore, and all that was legally required was they not be, as you say, a lunatic or carrying a contagious disease.  America basically took all comers.

    I say we return to that policy since it worked so well for our ancestors...every other country on earth can impede freedom of movement to their hearts content...but not us, lets be different and special like we used to be.

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    Did your grandparents come here (none / 0) (#37)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 07:30:34 PM EST
    by following the rules of immigration or did they sneak across the border?

    Kudos for believing in the Statue of Liberty message and the American dream.  But how do you balance the scales of your grandparents ethics to follow the rules with those that chose to circumvent those requirements?

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    There are rules (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:19:57 PM EST
    and there are rules. Skipping a long discourse about the differences, I would only emphasize what was only suggested. The "rules" that our grandparents & great (great) grandparents dealt with were so minimal as to be non-existant in many respects (unless one was a lunatic or had hoof & mouth disease.) Over the course of the past century or so, many more limitations were added--the limitations felt more heavily in certain countries than in others given the numbers cutoffs. Again: the issue really shouldn't be the civic issue of legality. The issues is the obvious: The system needs reform.  We all know that. The question: What should that reform package look like...in the 21st century?

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    GMAB - There are rules then there are rules??? (none / 0) (#45)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:39:41 PM EST
    Any parent, grandparent, great (great) grandparent agreed to and submitted themselves to the rules in place at that time.  That is a HUGE difference than intentionally entering any country outside of the established rules.

    "Over the course of the past century..." those rules were established in response to the situations and issues of the time.  

    Sorry, you can't go back to or equate the current immigration situation to the rose colored romanticism of the 1800's and early 1900's.

    Reform - there is where I am more than happy to meet you at the 50 yard line and have an honest conversation as to what needs to be accomplished.

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    So, what is your outline for reform? (none / 0) (#49)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:11:48 PM EST


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    The point is that wasn't racist for the guys with (none / 0) (#51)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:41:05 PM EST
    a badge to ask for my papers on that bus. Their job was to interdict illegal aliens, among other things, and there was no one more obviously an alien on that bus but me.

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    Both of my father's parents were immigrants, (none / 0) (#57)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 10:19:46 PM EST
    my mother's came over during the potato famine. I'm very proud of them all, and I'm sure the ones that I was lucky enough to know would not support illegal immigration from any country, including their own. For the record I'm 3/4 Mick and 1/4 Wop, and proudly so. You do know what "Wop" stands for don't you?

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    I was pulled over by the feds (none / 0) (#47)
    by Catesby on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:41:46 PM EST
    in New Mexico, for no other reason but to ask me to prove my right to be there.

    And I am lily white.  Luckily, having travelled the world, I am in the habit of keeping my passport with me, because I certainly couldn't answer their questions about baseball.

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    There you go, proof positive that the claims (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:41:46 PM EST
    that this is racist are false.

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    As written it isn't racist... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 08:30:14 AM EST
    in practice...you'be been around the block a few times sarc, c'mon.

    And just because there are instances of whitey being hassled, that doesn't prove all these new laws will be enforced equally...hardly any law is enfored equally.  That's a good a reason as any to keep the criminal code to the bare minimum...John Law needs no more reasons to get up in our face, our pockets, and our lives.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 01:51:04 PM EST
    and I'm sure the Florida police will be stopping a lot of while people and asking for proof of citizenship. Anyone who doesn't believe that in the practice this law will be used against Latinos almost exclusively is living a Pretty, pretty Pony world with lemon drop trees and candy bar flowers. Visit the real world some time.

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    Ya, and laws against, for example, (none / 0) (#69)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 02:23:47 PM EST
    drinking alcohol in LA city parks are racist because on any given day easily 95%+ of the people in those parks are Latino.

    And laws against having more people in a car than there are seatbelts are racist because it's mainly only Latinos out here who pile into cars like sardines. Oh, and HS kids too, so it's also ageist.

    And laws requiring US citizenship to vote are racist because most of our non-citizens are Latino.

    And cock-fighting laws are racist becuase it's mostly Latinos involved in it.

    And petty theft laws are bigoted against the poor and/or those with drug problems because they're the ones mostly breaking into cars and stealing stuff.

    And capital gains taxes are ageist, racist and sexist since the overwhelming of those required to pay those taxes are old white dudes. Same with insider-trading laws.

    And drunk driving laws & enforcement are bigoted against mid to late evening drivers, because that's when most of the drunk drivers are on the streets.

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    who knows (none / 0) (#27)
    by efm on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:50:00 PM EST
    As the law is suppose to work, I don't think anyone who is here legally needs to worry about it, no matter what color they are.  Get stopped and don't have an ID, they check your name in the computer, regardless of your race, one person exists in the system and the other person does not exist in the system.  If your not in the system then suspicion goes up that you might just be illegal.

    I agree that some police will abuse this, but does that mean we should get rid of it?

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    Which computer/system (none / 0) (#38)
    by free the wm3 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 07:50:09 PM EST
    do the police check?

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    how about the DMV's (none / 0) (#39)
    by efm on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 07:54:41 PM EST
    Of course it could just be someone with out a DL, but its a place to start.

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    You don't have to be a citizen (none / 0) (#40)
    by free the wm3 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:06:38 PM EST
    to have a valid DL.  All a DL says is that you have met a state minimum to operate a vehicle.

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    Minimum requirements (none / 0) (#41)
    by efm on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:16:46 PM EST
    Some state's minimum requirement is to provide evidence that you are a legal resident.


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    Sorry, (none / 0) (#43)
    by free the wm3 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:29:16 PM EST
    I mis-read your post.  Driving without a DL and providing a police officer with false information about your identity is most certainly cause for any officer to take a closer look into your status.

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    Seriously? Do you get upset that you have to (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:40:32 PM EST
    have your DL with you when you drive? Do you think they don't have to carry ID and/or their DL in, for example, Mexico? Come on...

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    Actually I do get upset... (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:56:18 PM EST
    I'm weird like that...especially when I ain't driving I always leave the wallet at home.  

    "Papers please" puts every schmoe who loses his/her ID in a precarious spot till they get another...that ain't cool, and that ain't very American, imo.  

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    I should have known that you do get upset (none / 0) (#15)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:15:50 PM EST
    that you have to carry your DL when you drive. :)

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    You're disingenious (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by mexboy on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:50:05 PM EST
    You know this is not about a DL. This is about forcing Latino citizens to carry their BC or passport to prove we are citizens.

    I guess you don't give a d*mn if my civil rights are violated because you won't be stopped anytime soon and you probably think I deserve it any way.

    How will these officers distinguish who has documents and who doesn't? do they have illegaldar?

    You should just be honest and say we are casualties of your war on Latinos and that our civil rights are not as important as yours.

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    You are simply wrong. (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 10:14:52 PM EST
    But don't let that stop your ranting...

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    I'm simply wrong? because you say so? (none / 0) (#60)
    by mexboy on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 04:17:34 AM EST
    Like I said.

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    Sure I carry my DL when I drive (none / 0) (#16)
    by sj on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:24:20 PM EST
    But not when I don't -- which is a lot of the time.

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    Great, you carry it when you are doing the (none / 0) (#18)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:30:28 PM EST
    activity that requires you to carry it, just like when the activity is being in a foreign country. Such a burden.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by TomStewart on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:36:44 PM EST
    but only for brown folks. Canadians and Europeans (and probably most Asians) don't have to bother, unless they're brown.

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    BS. For example, when I played Rugby, (none / 0) (#22)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:41:16 PM EST
    back in the day, several on the team were pasty Canadian, British, etc., and had overstayed their tourist visas and got busted due to their accents.

    And, in a story I'll post tomorrow on an open thread, the Mexican that got deported tells us that some of the others that were deported with him were not Latino.

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    And again (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by TomStewart on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:48:46 PM EST
    this law is not aimed at them, but at 'brown' folks in Florida. I doubt very much that we white folks will be bothered much by the Florida cops. They probably will not bother to gin up an excuse to stop us, being passable 'good' citizens.

    Post all the links you want, but this law is aimed straight at the brown folks among us.

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    Riddle me this then (none / 0) (#32)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:57:31 PM EST
    CA vs FL but the same concept.

    Returning from a day trip to Mexico:

    • My wife shows her British passport and US Resident alien Card, free to go.

    • Our daughter shows her British passport and US Resident Alien Card, free to go.

    • Our son shows his US Passport, free to go.

    Me, on the other hand, shows a valid DL and an Active Duty Military ID.  It takes two supervisors getting involved to agree that I can re-enter the US.  

    If it was all about "brown people" how does a mid-west looking farm boy on military active duty get scrutinized?

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    How long ago?... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 07:54:16 AM EST
    They changed the rules and made a passport a requirement to go to Canada or Mexico...another stupid "papers please" policy to further inhibit free travel by free humans.

    I'm surprised they let ya back in with only minimal hassle...consider yourself lucky BTAL.

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    Early/Mid '90s (none / 0) (#65)
    by BTAL on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 09:03:01 AM EST
    well before the post 9/11 changes.

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    Weird... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 09:21:41 AM EST
    must have been your unlucky day...I apologize on behalf of a tyrannized nation for the hassle BTAL:)

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    And those non-latinos illegal immigrants (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:57:27 PM EST
    who are discovered and deported under this law prove what? That they're just pawns in a big cover-up lie? You are being ridiculous.

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    My husband is Australian (none / 0) (#44)
    by Catesby on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:39:16 PM EST
    he is required by Federal law to always carry his green card on him.

    And he does.

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    And should he forget to carry it... (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 07:56:32 AM EST
    at all times, or misplace his green card, do you think he should sit in a cage for 20 days should a cop decide to hassle him for whatever reason?  

    I sure don't, that would be crazy...and tyrannical.  

    You guys scare me man...what kinda country do you wanna live in?  Jeez.

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    Catesby, please please please (none / 0) (#46)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 08:41:42 PM EST
    don't bring that fact into the discussion because (I assume) that your husband is not "brown", therefore it is not factual in relation to the immigration debate.  ;)

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    Wise choice. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:55:09 PM EST
    Rugby player?

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    True (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by sj on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:24:00 AM EST
    I am, however, of a persuasion that is likely to be accosted.  In addition, I have verbal intonations that would likely spark a demand for my papers.

    In spite of the fact that my family has been in this country for at least 4 generations on my mother's side, and, on my father's side since the 1600's.  Or rather, in this land.  It wasn't a country then.

    So yes.  It's a burden.  It's a very, very big burden.

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    Oh yeah, (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:55:28 PM EST
    which Mexican political party do you get upset with when, under penalty of law, you have to carry your papers with you when you go to Mexico to visit your amor?

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    First trip... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:59:41 PM EST
    I left it at the damn hotel half the time...not too bright I know:)

    But thankfully nobody asked except at the airport.

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    I know when I am despised and loathed (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:44:32 PM EST
    and I am not likely to support the Party that is despising me.

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    If you are despised and loathed (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:50:18 PM EST
    are you sure you're not falling into the trap of thinking it's because of who you are and not what you are?

    Kinda glib but seriously, I'll bet there are a lot of people who, if they were to read what you've written today, probably would not like you at all - regardless of your ethnicity.

    Just sayin'...

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    Glib is right (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:52:13 PM EST
    This is actually the type of BS that is burying the GOP with LAtinos.

    Or do you think 70% of Latinos are just a-holes like me and that's why they hate the GOP?

    A little self reflection is in order from all sides.

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    The GOP can take 70% (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:51:53 PM EST
    of Latinos voting against them.....Or so they think.

    But what about 90%?

    The GOP just can't help itself.  First, the party of Lincoln, and to a lesser degrees of Ike, has worked hard and currently gets 10% of the African American vote.  Now, they will employ the same race-neutral and egalitarian ideas on Latino issues as they have on African American issues....

    You guys are slipping up in the demagoguery category here.  You are usually much better than this.  The welfare queen was great.  

    And, so what is your Latino equivalent?  Anchor babies?  Come on, taking it out on kids?  Nope, not really a good trope.  You are going after Latinos' kids?  And you want them to vote for you?  In this century?  

    It is not just the illegal person himself or herself--but all of their relatives, many of them here legally and citizens who vote.....

    Oh, the DUI deaths of the nuns by someone here illegally....That was real good--just like the welfare queen.  Had to work real hard, and ignore thousands of other accidents by white "legals" to get that one.  Good you were paying attention, you might not get another illegal-DUI-kills-others story for a long time to come....

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    They can't though (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:55:06 PM EST
    over time.

    In 10 years, 70% Latino votes for Dems creates an electoral lock. Texas will be a toss up state if that happens.

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    When, not If ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Erehwon on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 10:30:48 PM EST
    In 10 years, 70% Latino votes for Dems creates an electoral lock. Texas will be a toss up state WHEN that happens.

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    You asked about why, supposedly, (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:00:50 PM EST
    the GOP loathes and despises YOU. I answered that. As you are also a Dem activist, if I may describe you as such, that also would not endear you to the GOP.

    You did not ask me anything like 'why 70% of all Latinos hate the GOP' I'm not sure why you interjected it into this convo.

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    Amen! (none / 0) (#34)
    by mexboy on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:58:36 PM EST


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    This I have to come back to... (none / 0) (#53)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 09:49:06 PM EST
    BTD, are you off your rocker?

    iow you think that when you, Armando Lorenz, go into a restaurant and sit down at a table and there's a Republican sitting at the next table, he/she takes one look at you and immediately and reflexively loathes and despises you? If it was on the subway, he/she would stand up and go find a seat far away from you?

    Seriously, you either had one too many cocktails with your dinner tonight or you are literally off your friggin' rocker on this subject.

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    Oh come now (none / 0) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:25:33 PM EST
    you are not entering into the "bash Repubs" celebration with the proper attitude....

    Why, possibly those that have (none / 0) (#10)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:56:45 PM EST
    immigrated here, expect ALL (read regardless of nationality) other immigrants to follow the same rules they followed.

    possibly, yes (none / 0) (#67)
    by DancingOpossum on Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 10:09:30 AM EST
    Cesar Chavez was famously opposed to illegal immigration, mostly on the grounds that it depressed workers' wages. And you could scarcely accuse Cesar Chavez of hating Latinos. My mother is another anecdotal example, she's a legal immigrant from waaaaay back (she married a gringo) and practically a socialist, yet few people get as riled up as she over "the illegals."

    My own view differs from the legality/illegality issue, it's wholly with environmental issues. Our country desperately needs to stabilize its population and unchecked immigration is projected to be a huge factor in population increases. At the same time, our "border war" with Mexico is wreaking enormous environmental damage on the desert area there. Not to mention the frequent reports of abuse by border cops. So, armed battle obviously isn't the answer either (not there or in the Middle East, as it turns out). I don't know what is...I do know that both Clinton and Carter gave serious consideration to considering some kind of population-control policy that would include immigration reform of some kind, but they evidently dropped those ideas.

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    maybe. (none / 0) (#31)
    by efm on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 06:57:00 PM EST
    Could it be because the main philosophy of the GOP is a small government?  I know they kinda failed in that recently, but it seems with the tea party emerging they will probably go back to it.

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