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    Listening to Dr. Laura's (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:07:18 AM EST
    apology right now.  She says that she "articulated the "n" word......all the way out, and that was wrong".  

    So if you think the "n" word in your head, that is okay.  One must not articulate the "n" word.....all the way out.

    I never could stand Dr. Laura, but this is a brand new soft bigotry of low self expectations.

    Call-in Transcript (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:59:06 AM EST
    Woman: (sobbing) I am in an abusive relationship. My live-in boyfriend is beating me and my children and I don't know what to do.

    Dr. Laura: (indignant) You are shacking up with your boyfriend? How can you live with yourself? How can you subject your children to this immorality? No wonder your boyfriend is beating you.

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    People who call her just exchange (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:22:57 PM EST
    one kind of abuse for another, and have it confirmed for them that they deserve it.

    They cannot be clueless about the kind of person "Dr." Laura is (the "Dr." is in quotes because she makes a mockery of whatever degree she has) when they call in for "help," so they have to know that they are going to get nothing of the kind.

    She is the worst sort of person, apparently playing out her own sicknesses for the entertainment of equally sick people; it's disgusting.

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    She has Ph.D. in sociology (none / 0) (#17)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:53:47 PM EST
    or was it something else...

    She is definitely not a medical doctor or psychologist....

    But that doesn't stop her from pretending to be an expert on interpersonal issues....

    She was on an anti-gay crusade at one point, having converted to Orthodox Judaism and arguing very conservative points.  Then, an ex-boyfriend published nude photos of her....

    She abandoned her ultra conservative religious views....

    Still has lots of listeners in LA...

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    NOT SOCIOLOGY (5.00 / 0) (#84)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:44:56 PM EST
    ARGH! it's psychology and counselling. please don't place her in the sociology camp! We have enough of a bad reputation!

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    I'm glad.... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:12:26 PM EST
    I never heard this loon either...I wonder if people call her because it is free, and the 1-900-Humiliation kink line is $2.99 a minute.

    Very odd.

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    Bill Ballance=ex-boyfriend. (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:38:12 PM EST
    Ph.D. in physiology. (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:59:48 PM EST
    is that the science (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:01:27 PM EST
    of being a skinny annoying harpy?


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    Snort. Sociologists everywhere (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:29:46 PM EST
    breathe a sigh of relief -- if no bout they may be a bit puzzled by being confused with, well, gym class!

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    oh jesus (none / 0) (#8)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:06:12 PM EST
    that's disgusting.  I can't believe this.  I've never seen/heard her before but this is just beyond the pale.

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    I'm sure.

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    I sure hope so (none / 0) (#22)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:26:15 PM EST
    my jaw hit the floor with that one.

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    Ya, I really don't know anything about her (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:40:14 PM EST
    except what I've heard, but my BS meter went off pretty quickly on this one.

    At this point pretty much anytime I read something on the intertubes that seems absolutely abominable I immediately presume it to be untrue until I can verify it, this one being a case in point.

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    Parody (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:45:29 PM EST
    Hyperbole, satire or parody of this person is like trying to parody the National Lampoon.

    IOW the comment above, "quoting" her is accurate, imo.

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    Yeah, I listened to her enough (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:12:47 PM EST
    a while back to believe that quote is pretty close to what she would actually say.

    It was entertaining for a while, because at first I thought it was some common sense she was dispensing. Some people really do need to have some sense talked into them. But it got increasingly moralistic and right wing as time went on, from what I heard from time to time.

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    SUO, not a direct quote (none / 0) (#24)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:31:33 PM EST
    and perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but Dr. Laura does like to blame the messenger. Tolerance is not her strong point.

    http://home.conservativebabylon.com/category/dr-laura-schlessinger/

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    by posting things you make up in your own head as if they are facts. Hyperbole, "Fake by accurate," etc., just defeats your point when you're called on it. imo, of course.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#103)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:01:39 PM EST
    That's exactly the kind of thing she says.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#114)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:11:47 PM EST
    She did not say this.

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    Right (none / 0) (#115)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:22:49 PM EST
    and Reagan didn't "say" that there was a possibility Jesse Helms was right about MLK being a communist..

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    Wow (none / 0) (#116)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:51:41 PM EST
    Nitpicking here about the essence of what Dr Laura dishes out, makes you look foolish, imo.

    I am surprised that Dr Laura did not suggest that the Black woman offer up a BJ, instead of getting all hypersensitive about a white man asking a normal straightforward question about monkey behavior. She probably would have gotten there if the uppity Black woman had not forced Dr Laura to get all sidetracked with the n word.

    Dr. Laura: "When the wife does not focus in on the needs and the feelings, sexually, personally, to make him feel like a man, to make him feel like a success, to make him feel like her hero, he's very susceptible to the charm of some other woman making him feel what he needs."

    Meredith Viera: "You're saying the women should feel guilty that they somehow drove the man to cheat?"

    "Dr" Laura: "The cheating was his decision to repair what's damaged and to feed himself where he's starving," Schlessinger explained. "But, yes, I hold women responsible for tossing out perfectly good men by not treating them with the love and kindness and respect and attention they need."




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    An "air quote"? (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:59:05 PM EST
    Those are the verbatim words (none / 0) (#118)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 01:44:36 PM EST
    of the walking fraudulent air quote herself, in the context of a discussion on Eliot Spitzer's brush with scandal a while back.

    The subtext here is that men have the power and  rather than question whether they should have that much and are responsible enough to wield it, women - other than her - should Biblically 'humble and submit themselves'. Of course, her other, wider subtext is that we should ALL humbly submit ourselves to those with power.

    Like any good conservative, Ms Sh*t-slinger knows that the divine pecking order has been divinely pre-ordained. So find yourself a Bill Balance and slip on that dog collar and start doing our Lord's work.  

     

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    Oculus Was Responding to Sarc (none / 0) (#119)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 01:56:35 PM EST
    Not to my actual quote...  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#120)
    by squeaky on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 01:58:24 PM EST
    Although, I really do not get it, as to why sarc et al, come to her defense. Must be that she does the wingnut talking points.

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    Not so sure about that. Andgarden (none / 0) (#121)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 02:26:32 PM EST
    used to call me out for not providing a link.  PatHat prob. should have included <snk.>  And, of course, Dr. Laura spews obnoxious crap.

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    Damn (none / 0) (#36)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:49:48 PM EST
    I'll have to be more obvious in the future. Wouldn't want my personna to lose its credibility.

    BTW, anyone know where the name PatHat comes from?

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    guessing (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:51:53 PM EST
    Nope (none / 0) (#38)
    by PatHat on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:58:00 PM EST
    http://wiki.chromiumswitch.org/PatHat

    Obscure to all but the fervent followers of the Four or Five Crazy Guys.

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    wow (none / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:00:23 PM EST
    rabid FST fan and I am working those tired memory cells to find pathat.

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    A Firesign Theater wiki-site (none / 0) (#89)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 07:46:01 PM EST
    Wow.  Thanks, PatHat.  I needed that.  I took out my entrenching tool and bookmarked it immediately.

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    Welcome Aboard... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:08:55 PM EST
    I can tell already I like how you roll.

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    Well (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:27:00 AM EST
    While reading about the late Senator Byrd the other day, and comparing him to Trent Lott et al. who maintained overt racist positions, the writer made an interesting distinction that I think is important. There is a difference between doing something and thinking something. It is often the line between prejudice and discrimination.

    Not knowing who Dr Laura is, I would say she crossed the line.

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    You really don't know who Dr. Laura is? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:34:33 AM EST
    I listened to her a few times when I was a single mom.  Boy she's a hater, and she has magnificent justifications for trashing people all the time.  People call her up to seek advice on family problems and usually hang up sobbing.  It fascinates me that she still has a job, but people continue to call her up.

    If only I were younger and more juvenile.  We wasted our time tormenting a small town local rock and roll radio DJ, always trying to disguise our voices so that we could request "Trailers for Sale or Rent" on the air AGAIN.  Boy he hated us :)  We should have saved ourselves for Dr. Laura :)

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    Radio or Teevee? (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:37:07 AM EST
    Got It... Wiki (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:38:31 AM EST
    No I do not listen to the radio, or teevee... so I have never heard her. But she sounds vile.

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    That explains a lot about you. (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:19:09 PM EST
    That explains a lot about (none / 0) (#85)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:47:48 PM EST
    Squeaky?  That someone who doesn't listen to radio or TV, and thinks that Laura Schlesinger (who has a doctorate in physiology, not psychology or counseling yet presumes to give advice to people, who had an affair while married to her first husband, whose mother died alone and neglected because good old "family values" Dr. Laura hadn't spoken to her for two decades) is vile?  PPJ, pardon me, but if you're getting much of your news from radio and TV, that explains a lot about you.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:55:09 PM EST
    Although to his credit, without ppj we would not know what the two day old stale talking points from wingnuttia were.

    He keeps us up to date, sorta.. And apart from our personal pinata, that is a service, not to be written off. Imagine having to listen to Beck, or COulter first hand... yuk..

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    you know what (none / 0) (#108)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 01:10:09 AM EST
    all that secular "literacy" leads to: giving heed to things like climate science and questioning the six days of creation.    

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    When the work cars were American made (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:35:02 PM EST
    and no FM, I sometimes listened to her during long drives.  Still remember a young woman's "dilemna" being her in laws.  Dr. Laura sd., who did you think you would be spending holidays w/when you got married?  

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    PhD's who like to fool (none / 0) (#102)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:00:28 PM EST
    the gullible public into thinking they're actually physicians drive me nuts.  "Doctor" Laura indeed.

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    Indeed, INDEED! (none / 0) (#109)
    by NYShooter on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 02:56:04 AM EST
    Its extremely rare to find a genuine PhD who takes on the title, "Doctor" in everyday speech & writings. It's normally reserved for scientific/professional journals and serves a legitimate purpose in describing the credentials of the author in a specific subject.

    Using the title inappropriately tells you all you need to know about the scribbler.


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    Agreed entirely (none / 0) (#127)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 08:12:03 AM EST
    My dad was a Ph.D. academic, never called himself "Dr." and when people addressed him that way, told them in a friendly way he preferred "Mr." or if that was too informal, "Prof." would be OK.

    But when we're talking about professions that actually do have a physician level, like psychiatry, for a non-physician to call him/herself "Dr." is flat-out fraud, IMO.

    And that includes the sainted "Dr. Phil" too.

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    Yup, my brother (none / 0) (#130)
    by NYShooter on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 02:47:28 PM EST
    Holds a PhD in physics, but my father was an actual M.D. Whenever people refer to my bro as Dr., he jokingly tells them, "you must be thinking about my dad. And when they then ask, "so how should we refer to you? He says, "Mike" would be just fine.


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    Well (none / 0) (#131)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 03:11:53 PM EST
    PHDs in clinical psychology normally are referred to as Dr.

    PHD's in physiology are never called Dr. except sometimes in academia.

    Laura Schlessinger is intentionally creating the false impression that she is a Doctor of Psychology in order to gain credibility.

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    makes me think of Hitchens (none / 0) (#133)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 03:27:10 PM EST
    in the throes of his neocon bootlicking phase a few years back, refering in interviews to "Doctor Rove" and "Doctor Chalabai"..

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    It's all about (none / 0) (#6)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:55:07 AM EST
    blowing under-the-wire racist dog whistles to Tea Baggers to stir the waters a little more.

    Also, this follows the wingnut m.o of dropping the bomb/planting the seed, then waiting a little before issuing an "apology" or retraction.

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    You can rap it all (none / 0) (#110)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 06:17:34 AM EST
    you want.

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    Somerby is on fire (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:28:03 PM EST
    And no one is escaping him - especially Digby and Matt Yglesias:

    PART 4--SUMMER ESCAPE TO THE PLANET OF FEAR (permalink): We liberals love to drop our R-bombs--and our X- and N-bombs too. Trembling in the face of a "summer of fear," Matthew Yglesias played the former card in the Washington Post's Outlook section.

    Yglesias dropped his X-bombs early and often. As he starts, we'll include the headline that appeared in the hard-copy Post:

    YGLESIAS (8/8/10): Welcome to the summer of fear

    Politics always seems to get a bit off-kilter when the temperature goes up. But instead of the familiar silly-season stuff of years past--made-up scandals and who-cares gossip--the past two summers have been filled with vitriol. Last year we had town halls gone wild, fueled by the threat of death panels pulling the plug on Grandma. This year, us-vs.-them controversies are proliferating, linked by a surge in xenophobia. This is our summer of fear.

    So far, the summer of fear has featured a charge, led by Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin and former New York congressman Rick Lazio, to block the construction of the Cordoba House Islamic cultural center (which is to include a mosque) a few blocks from the site of the World Trade Center. Meanwhile, with frightening speed, we've gone from discussing the prospects for comprehensive immigration reform to watching congressional Republicans call for hearings to reconsider the 14th Amendment's guarantee of citizenship to anyone born in the United States.

    First, a word of explanation. Yglesias, age 29, is still a young man, with everything to live for. And yet, instead of the usual "silly season," he finds himself confronted this summer with a "summer of fear." And the whole scary thing has just happened so fast! Throughout his piece, he stresses the fact that the "surge in xenophobia" of which he writes has come upon us "with frightening speed." One thinks of the way Camus described the awareness of plague descending upon Oran.

    Perhaps we can forgive the frightened young lad for throwing his X-bombs all around, sometime forgetting to "use his words" to describe the actual problem. He complains about the "xenophobia" in paragraphs 1, 3 and 8--and then again as he ends his piece. For the record, this is one of Digby's favorite bombs. She sees the problem everywhere--except in herself--and isn't reluctant to toss such bombs, ignoring collateral damage.

    We can perhaps forgive this young writer for one other fault. We can perhaps forgive him for the clownish, persistent way he embellishes the facts of his frightening tale, creating a sad, inane "silly season" of his own.

    Does Yglesias embellish his tale about this summer of fear? Only when he types! First example:

    Have we really moved "with frightening speed" from "discussing the prospects for comprehensive immigration reform" to our current state of affairs? Only if you're in love with the thrills provided by good horror movies! Readers, when's the last time any serious person thought we were "discussing the prospects for comprehensive immigration reform?" Sadly, it has been years...

    SNIP

    For the past several decades, there has always some damn-fool provision floating around concerning immigration; for what it's worth, the "birthright citizenship" matter is less patently absurd on the merits than most. But there has been no abrupt slide toward xenophobia, except in the tortured minds of our fear-boys. And good God! The way this pitiful child dissembles about that new "birther" poll! In the recent CNN poll, 71 percent of respondents said that Obama was "definitely born in the United States" or was "probably born in the United States." This is very close to the earlier 77 percent figure, which came from a poll which only let respondents say yes he was, or no he wasn't. By the way, that earlier poll was a Daily Kos poll, and all such results should now be suspect. In another sign of our liberal brilliance, Markos got himself conned by a fraudulent pollster for years, he has now sadly said.

    It's sad, and truly remarkable, that the "birther" foolishness exists at all. But it's equally sad when one of our "brightest" young "liberal" writers fakes his data in such stupid ways, struggling to create his own silly season, a frightening "summer of fear."

    One last point: Can you see the name of one other xenophobe lurking in that last passage (in original post - too long to post here) by Matthew? "Today, President Obama is overseeing a skyrocketing rate of deportations," he writes, adding Obama's name to those of Jealous and Vilsack in the long list of current xenophobes. No wonder Matthew is so afraid! The xenophobia has spread all around!

    The nonsense of this piece is vast, though it does teach us several key lessons:

    First, it helps us see how much we liberals like to play with our toys. Just as we love throwing R-bombs around, Yglesias tosses his X-bombs all about, inventing a silly, sweeping tale about some abrupt rise in xenophobia. In these ways, pseudo-liberals deride the American public--and they practice to lose.

    Second, we learn an important fact about a large change in the press corps. For most of the past several decades, silly-season nonsense like this only came from the right--after which, the mainstream press corps would fall in line with the tale. In 2001, the silly season revolved around the claim that Gary Condit had killed Chandra Levy. In a truly evil act, pundits invented at least two bits of fake "evidence." Right up through September 11, the whole gang had good solid fun with their evil tale.

    This reflected the culture of the Clinton-Gore years, in which ludicrous invented tales were, by law, aimed at Big Democrats. We read ludicrous tales about Big Dem Liars, back in the day when the "liberal world" had run off and hid in the woods. In those days, careerists of Matthew's stripe had two choices in the press corps. They could repeat the claims against Big Dems, or they could just keep their traps shut.

    Frank Rich chose the first pathway to citizenship; E. J. Dionne chose the second. Today, silly children get to invent liberal tales. This is a truly major change, a reaction to the disasters of Bush. Pseudo-liberals now get to play, though the game itself stays idiotic.



    Nazis (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:32:40 PM EST
    Longshot U.S. Senate candidate Alvin Greene has been indicted on a felony charge of showing pornography to a South Carolina college student.

    Court records show a grand jury in Richland County handed down the indictment Friday for disseminating, procuring or promoting obscenity. The Democratic nominee was also indicted on a misdemeanor charge of communicating obscene materials to a person without consent.

    Whatever you think of the guy, moron, GOP plant, or just a guy trying to do something good, these charges are outrageous, imo.

    Definitely outrageous... (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:47:46 PM EST
    but not all that surprising...I've come to the conclusion if it's in the criminal code, police and prosecutors will use it...no matter how lame.

    Can we burn all the criminal code in all the land and have a do over?  

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    wait (none / 0) (#30)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:35:57 PM EST
    were these all adults involved?

    as in an adult showed another adult a film/picture of adults?  

    Because that's just crazy.  And that's also what happens in college...  I wish I hadn't seen some of the stuff that was making the rounds.

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    Well.... (none / 0) (#112)
    by DFLer on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:19:35 AM EST
    if the receiver doesn't want to get the pics, is it like flashing?

    Then the other hand, I would want senders of the numerous spam/porn emails I get everyday to be arrested also!

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    Please don't say such things DFLer... (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by kdog on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 11:19:12 AM EST
    I know you mean well, but such a law will be passed to appease you and a win a vote, and next thing you know a guys sends an email to the wrong address and he's got men in black bashing down his door and chains on his wrists.

    This is how poor slobs do over a year in the federal pen for selling orchids.

    Better just to delete the spam, or a random nudie pic, and call it a day.  We already have so many federal crimes that the feds are literally unable to tell us how many there are...think about that, so many things are illegal they can't be counted!

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    Dog (none / 0) (#137)
    by DFLer on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:44:25 PM EST
    I think you misunderstood my snark re porn/spam email.

    I just meant that if it is an offense to send pics over the phone, why aren't they going after spammers too.? It's a double standard, heh?

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    In the days of yore, (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:55:29 PM EST
    when people had jobs and homes, there was a BP well blow out in the Gulf of Mexico.  Some five million barrels of oil got away on them, but after just a short time, with the forceful oversight and leadership of the government, the gusher was stopped using a top/static kill and all the spilled oil is gone or not to be concerned about according to definitive report from NOAA.

    Fishing in most of the Gulf is now encouraged and those seafood platters are there for the eating: do not be put off by the naysayers who like to point out that fish swim and eat.

    There was once a plan, way back in yesterweek, for a bottom kill using one of the two relief wells being drilled to plug the hole, for keeps. But the static kill was unexpectedly  super-successful, with the cement completely sealing the reservoir off with the weight of the barite-drilling mud helping to keep it all down.

    This saves some costs in completing the first relief well, and preserves the second relief well for possible conversion to a drilling well, although, be assured, cost cutting is not what BP is about. Safety first.  Admiral- sort- of- in charge, used to be not just a top-, but also, a bottom- kill man. But that was then and this is now.

    In a totally  unrelated matter, BP paid a $50.6 million OSHA fine for 270 safety violations that were not fixed as promised  in  the 2005 Texas Refinery explosion settlement, as noted during follow-up inspections in 2009. BP is continuing to contest $30.7 million in proposed penalties for 479 other safety violations at that same refinery.

    The Senate did not get around to  voting subpoena power (House voted 420 to l (Ron Paul) in favor, June 23), for the Presidential Spill Commission before the recess.  Although there is plenty of time, since the report is not due until the end of the year. Then, again, since everything except the pelicans and sea turtles is going swimmingly and the media is, once again, focused on Justin Bieber,  it may be time to Just break into song--the Gershwin's "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off" would be apt.  After all, we need to look forward not backward.

    Hi KeysDan, just stopped by to (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 05:46:33 PM EST
    invite you and ZtoA to drop by the ongoing DailyKos Gulf Watchers ROV threads sometime. It's an ongoing "vigil" and at the end of each thread there's a link to the next. They're up to their 300th thread today. I know you'd get a warm welcome there. I'll be sure to say hello if, and when, you turn up.  Kind regards to you and all.


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    Fox, thanks for the kind (none / 0) (#123)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 05:48:43 PM EST
    invite.

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    More than welcome! (none / 0) (#124)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 06:02:18 PM EST
    Almost make a man think the fix was in....... (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:37:50 PM EST
    Where do you get this stuff? (none / 0) (#105)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:31:50 PM EST
    Seriously.  The relief well is on hold because of weather but will proceed.

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    From Admiral Allen. (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 07:29:27 AM EST
    via. Bloomberg (Aug 13) and AP (Aug 12).  Also, from oildrum discussions. The Admiral said the relief wells may not be needed, after all. This was at ll:03 am. They would know in 96 hours. But Allen also hedged his bets with the possibilities.  Hopefully, the concern expressed by oil experts played a role in the more recent decision to continue with the relief wells.  Delays for the weather were not the issue.  Hope all now goes well, but the well is not killed yet.

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    did I ever tell you about my hotmail account? (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:08:08 PM EST
    a while back.  years actually.  the hotmail account I have had for years was hijacked by some virus.  it would send mail to everyone in my contact list.
    I couldnt get rid of it.  so, instead of killing the account I decided to get even.

    I deleted all my friends and everyone I know from the contact list and now every time I get one of those emails from Ghana or some other BS I add their email to the contact list.  about 20 times.
    and in every contact there is a spot for two email addresses.  so every time these a$$hole spammers do their little trick they are spamming spammers.  

    big time.

    This may be (none / 0) (#81)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:15:42 PM EST
    the beginning of something big.  Spread the word!

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    The Ninth Circuit is wasting no time (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:48:39 PM EST
    teeing up the Proposition 8/Gay Marriage litigation for a decision on whether to stay Judge Walker's ruling.  The challengers' opposition to a stay is due at 11 pm PDT Friday, and any reply in support of a stay by 9 am Monday.  Looks like the motions panel is planning to rule before the Wednesday deadline that Judge Walker himself set, rather than extend that deadline, as might have been expected.

    Life never ceases to surprise. Sooooo, (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 12:37:53 PM EST
    Dan Quayle's son is running for Congress from AZ.  What short memories he must think voters have.  

    and (none / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:22:09 PM EST
    still finding time to participate in very colorful site called "Dirty Scottsdale"

    hint
    its not an ecology site

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    that link (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:31:37 PM EST
    is to wonkette

    btw

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    Love the online handle... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:32:25 PM EST
    "Brock Landers"...at least he's got good taste in films:)

    "Oh that's Cosmo...he's Chinese."

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    Brock (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:34:57 PM EST
    with no "e"

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    And Harry Reid's son is (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:33:42 PM EST
    running....

    The blue bloods are doing their thing..

    Of course "sins of their fathers" may apply.

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    was he also a frequent (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:42:01 PM EST
    poster at Dirty Sanchez?


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    I mean (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:42:25 PM EST
    Dirty Scottsdale

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    Harry? (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:34:55 PM EST
    Don't know.

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    Dan and Ben, (none / 0) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:31:27 PM EST
    one potatoe, two potatos....

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    campaign ad (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:07:37 PM EST
    sort of

    Raised Right.

    Dan Quayle was the worst vice president in history.  he thought that Murphy Brown caused the LA riots.  He thought you could breath on Mars . . . .


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    And VP BiteMe (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:36:13 PM EST
    thinks FDR used TV to broadcast his fireside chats..

    And your point is??

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    dont really have a point (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:43:14 PM EST
    but if one could be taken from this I would say that there is a big difference between misspeaking about FDR being on tv since we both know he doesnt believe that and believing you can breath on Mars.


        Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.
            Dan Quayle, 8/11/89
            US Republican politician (1947 - )


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    Anyone with an IQ above room temp (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:17:18 PM EST
    should know that commercial TV, home receivers, etc., was around in the early 30's.

    BTW - And Perky Katie Couric just smiled and let it slide...

    No bias there... nope.... none at all....

    WAIT! Speaking of room temp IQ's....

    Katie probably didn't know.

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    Yeah, sure! (none / 0) (#90)
    by Molly Pitcher on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 07:46:31 PM EST
    And I was around back then to testify to seeing those fireside chats!

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    Heck, with your sig, Molly Pitcher (none / 0) (#91)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 07:55:51 PM EST
    . . . you were around for George Washington's fireside chats.

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    And it was pretty (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Molly Pitcher on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 08:11:51 PM EST
    darn cold at Valley Forge too!  (We almost ran out of fire wood--you know, that stuff that warms you twice: once when you cut it and once when you burn it.  Not to mention when you haul it inside.)

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    And you present temp is? (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:21:21 PM EST
    lol

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    What you fail to understand (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 09:22:20 PM EST
    is that I posted the comment.

    Sorry Donald. Disney wants ducks who can follow along.

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    About that comment, I presume (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:58:20 PM EST
    it was snark -- since commercial teevee did not debut until late in 1939 (and basically only around NYC, only for a couple of years until the war, when production was turned to military communication needs, so teevees were not really available again much until the transition to a peacetime production economy in 1948, and teevee networks were not national until 1950 . . . but you knew all that).

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    I assumed everyone knew this (none / 0) (#125)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 07:59:57 AM EST
    but I often find I assume everyone knows more than they seem to actually know.


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    Isn't that supposed to be Dan Quayl? ;-) (none / 0) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:56:15 PM EST
    Potatoe (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 04:04:24 PM EST
    Yes he must identify with the white starchy root vegetable.

    DQ: Not Quayl but Qualyle as in potatoe....

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    the friday crazy (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 01:32:50 PM EST
    the wheels are comin off this one (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:14:56 PM EST
    Investigators Question Attendant's Tale

    "I think this is moving toward a working theory of it never happened," he said. "There are some people who have said he came on board the aircraft with injuries."

    Passengers interviewed by the Journal said Mr. Slater acted strangely during the flight and cursed at one passenger as she exited at Kennedy Airport. Marjorie Briskin, a 53-year-old passenger, said the flight attendant continued to curse at the young woman even as she walked away through the jetway.

    shorter version.  he had the head injury long before the "incident"

    itt was (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:32:43 PM EST
    inevitable.  
    the Ballad Of Steven Slater.

    apparently performed by Joy from the Tod Solondz films Happiness and Life During Wartime.

    oops (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:33:17 PM EST
    Grandmother gives her life to save granddaughter (none / 0) (#48)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 02:35:55 PM EST
    Input needed. Single tickets go on sale (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:29:50 PM EST
    on line tomorrow a.m. for Metropolitan Opera 2010-11 season.  I am considering getting a ticket for Jan. 1, 2011.  What are the chances I will regret this due to extremely cold weather?  Thanks.

    Considering... (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:39:03 PM EST
    I'll be out in shorts on Jan. 2 playing some football, I think you'll manage...just bring a wool winter hat, it makes all the difference if it's a cold one.

    Just stay far far away from Times Square the night before.

    It's NY, not the Artic:)

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    No (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:32:17 PM EST
    Depending on the opera in question.

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    Pelleas. (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:41:45 PM EST
    bring squeaky (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:34:15 PM EST
    if you get cold you can snuggle :)

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    lol (none / 0) (#60)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:38:17 PM EST
    Haven't you heard? Both MT and I (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:24:47 PM EST
    are fixated on BTD.  

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    Maybe He Likes Opera Too... (none / 0) (#73)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:36:44 PM EST
    and if not....  lol...

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    Seems to prefer the cartoon variety (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:49:19 PM EST
    of opera.

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    And (none / 0) (#74)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:39:01 PM EST
    I always thought your first love was snuggling up to baseball

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    Maybe this season. Last year not (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:48:41 PM EST
    so much.

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    so (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:52:17 PM EST
    last year you gave the fickle finger of fate to your fickle folly of love.

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    Well Worth IT (none / 0) (#64)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 03:44:26 PM EST
    Magic Flute or Pelléas et Mélisande both winners in my book... it could be 10 below and you would not regret it, imo.

    Now if it were Atrosca or La Travistiata I would say stay home if it were 75....  

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    Pelleas iis not on the Met HD sched. (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:26:06 PM EST
    and I've only seen it once:  LA, Salonen conducting LA Phil. and Sellars was the director.  

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    Met HD Sched? (none / 0) (#71)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:35:05 PM EST
    What is that? I checked your date Jan 1 2010 and saw that Pelléas et Mélisande was playing at noon and Magic Flute was in the eve..

    Both are worth it, imo, even in sub zero temps...  Hotel, taxi, restaurants...  and a good coat and hat..


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    Correction Jan 1 2011 (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:35:32 PM EST
    Here: (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:51:20 PM EST
    link

    Much, much cheaper than a trip to NY.  And airconditioned theaters.  

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    Oh... How Boring (none / 0) (#78)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 05:58:25 PM EST
    Playing a video game sounds like more fun than seeing a Met Opera in a movie theater, imo.

    Just found an online performance of Hamlet though.... looks really great.. watched a bit today and will see the whole thing later tonight.

    Hamlet, Royal Shakespeare co, David Tennant, Patrick Stewart...  up to date scenic treatment...  

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    I enjoy the HD operas I choose to attend. (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:02:33 PM EST
    For Berlioz' "Damnation of Faust," I saw it from a not real great box seat at the Met, heard the Sat. afternoon broadcast, and, finally, saw the HD film.  Much, much better look at the visuals than I got in the theatre.  And this is the director of the new Ring cycle.  Robert Le Page.  Very creative.

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    Not For Me (none / 0) (#80)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:09:53 PM EST
    Sounds excruciating to me... I get better seats for the live stuff....

    For whatever reason, part philosophical, part political, and part my own temperament, I rarely listen to recorded music... I recently gave away my extraordinary record (LP) collection... haven't listened to anything for 20 years.

    I rather play, or listen to live music.. occasionally I listen to a you tube if it is particularly of historical interest... But I find it very hard to concentrate on anything if music is playing, other than the music...  I sort of envy people who are able work with the music on, and have a bit of contempt for them as well.. lol

     

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    I can't listen to music and multitask. Well, (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 06:16:19 PM EST
    except read TL and listen to Met broadcast.  

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    Who's singing? (none / 0) (#104)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 11:06:53 PM EST
    And what's your definition of "extremely cold"?

    Around here, 20 below is "extremely cold."  15 or 20 above not so much.

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    20 above is ok. (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 12:59:16 AM EST
    Simon Rattle is conducting--his Met debut.  Singers are Stephane Degout, Magdalena Kozena, Gerald Finley, Felicity Palmer, and Willard White.  

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    NYC doesn't get (none / 0) (#126)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 08:06:43 AM EST
    below 20 terribly often, so your odds are good on that score.

    Even in my part of VT, we only get a couple spells of single-digit temperatures per winter.

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    It never seemed as cold to me in NYC (none / 0) (#128)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 12:18:19 PM EST
    as it did when visiting SUNY-Purchase, which is only a short drive north.

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    Blame Edward Larrabee Barnes (none / 0) (#129)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 02:35:20 PM EST
    I spend many a coooooold winter there. Long desolate tunnels lined by cold greybrown brick....  suicidal environment in the winter.

    Stark and depressing is his style. I think that the philosophy was that artists should not be distracted by shiny pretty man made things. They should only be inspired by nature and depressing architecture.

    It is nice in the summer...  

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    I liked the Neuberger Museum of Art. (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 03:24:21 PM EST
    Heard Nelson Rockefeller was responsible for siting arts campus there, on a former dairy farm.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#134)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 03:43:46 PM EST
    Oh , yeah, Neuberger was supposed to have his museum on the Mall in DC but he lost out to Hirschhorn.

    The school was great, conceived as the jewel of the SUNY system by Rockefeller built on 500 acres of woods and farmland in the richest $$ part of the world. He poured tons of money for the finest state of the art equipment, a Steinway grand in every room, Flentrop Organ, Film school, Acting school, Art school, Dance school, Music school all with geniuses in their respective fields.

    And a state of the art performing complex meant to rival Lincoln Center.

    The idea was that the rich from Purchase, Greenwich, and the surrounding area, would become patrons of the young artists and school. The setup was for them to come to SUNY Purchase to see great performance, instead of make the looooong trip to NYC. Complete with a state of the art performing complex and world class museum, and all the pro faculty who regularly worked in NYC, the uber rich were supposed to avail themselves of SUNY Purchase.

    Well that part failed. No rich person who had situated themselves in a mansion 1 hour outside of NYC was going to bother with going to University events instead of events in the big apple.

    Although it was an excellent place for artists and academics to co mingle. Very exciting place, imo

    But the archeticture is and will always be depressing.

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    Current artistic director of presenting (none / 0) (#135)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 04:52:50 PM EST
    org. here was formerly in the same position at SUNY-Purchase's performing arts center. I never went to anything there but gathered he brought in class musicians, as he frequently tells us from the stage how many times he presented tonight's musician in NY.  I was there once when Israel Phil. was playing but couldn't get in.  Talk about security!

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    Yes (none / 0) (#136)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 05:21:09 PM EST
    PepsiCo is across the street from SUNY purchase. They funded a 10 year (?) festival back in the day, at SUNY performing arts complex that rivaled lincoln center.

    Pretty heady time. Lot's of great geniuses around.... but alas youth is wasted on the young...  lol

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    Though we are told to mourn it... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 13, 2010 at 04:33:04 PM EST