Obama Is Not A Muslim, Not That There Is Anything Wrong With That

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:26:00 AM EST
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Discussing this Byron York article, TPM has the following headline on a Josh Marshall blog:

The ~~bitch~~ Prez Brought It on ~~Herself~~ Himself

Josh Marshall

Straight men who've ever listened to a Judy Garland album beware. Byron York explains why President Obama has only himself to blame for many people believing he's a Muslim.

I think we all know what York is up to, but Marshall's reaction is telling (and ironic given his own sexist statements during the 2008 primary fight) -- people thinking Obama is Muslim is not a good thing politically. It's obviously evidence of bigotry against Muslims in the United States. But notice what is not happening on this score - no one is standing up to this bigotry and saying 'so what if he is?' Instead, from the White House on down, the meme is being fought against. And the reason is obvious - it is politically damaging.

Given the huzzahs provided to President Obama's statements on the Cordoba Center - the "pols must fight bigotry everywhere they see it" idea, even if it is counterproductive - I ask myself why more people do not make the argument I posit above - the 'so what if he is?' point. More . . .

One obvious answer is it is not true that Obama is a Muslim. But a lot of false things are said about Obama, why push back so hard on this one? Especially, push back in a way that makes it seem that being Muslim is a negative thing? Why not take the opportunity to turn this into a "teaching moment," as so many urge for the Cordoba Center controversy?

The answer, my friends, is politics. And I think that is an acceptable answer. I've said it so many times that I am sure you are all sick of hearing it from me - our pols do not lead us on moral questions, they follow. The reason why? They are in the business of getting elected.

Arguing about the idea that being called a "Muslim" should not be a pejorative is an important fight - but it should not be fought by the most important Democratic politician 3 months from an election. The fights for Dem pols have to be about enacting good policy.

Let me put it this way, I wish the President had spoken on the need for a larger stimulus in the beginning of his term and passed on the Cordoba Center controversy. It would have been better for Dems and the country.

Speaking for me only

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There was once a time in this country (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:41:16 AM EST

(at least out West before Focus on the Family showed up) when people didn't bring up their faith, and we all focused on our damned family. We were taught that it is the content of our character that mattered. Anything else is just a label and any one can walk in the door of any house of worship and walk out just as vile and corrupt. I'm sick of religion and I want the good ole STFU days back again.

Did you ever see the (5.00 / 1) (#63)
by ruffian on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 01:47:41 PM EST

'Focus on your own da** family' bumper stickers when you lived in Colorado? Those were great.

I agree with you. I am sick of it too. The idea that my preferred unprovable beliefs are superior to yours....any gods out there must be laughing and planning to speed evolution along a little bit.


Yeah (none / 0) (#38)
by squeaky on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:43:52 AM EST

Because it was assumed everyone was christian, and if you were not you kept your mouth shut...


I don't know what sort of evil (5.00 / 2) (#44)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:49:57 AM EST

family you came from, but that was not what I was taught on the subject. I was taught it is disrespectful and is a deeply personal subject.


Well (none / 0) (#52)
by squeaky on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:13:46 PM EST

You should get out some more.

Just as a light skinned black can sit in a room of white people and listen to them talk about black people pejoratively, because they assume everyone is white, I as a jew, who looks like a goy, have been in rooms where the racist and bigoted talk is nauseating, because it was assumed I was one of them.

And, considering what is going on now about Obama being a Muslim... I find it odd that you believe people used to keep their mouths shut.... same old crap, different objects of bigotry this round.


Im a let's get it all out (none / 0) (#59)
by jondee on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:46:14 PM EST

in the open type myself, including, and maybe especially the sex..

But I know what you're saying, my family was like that too.

Blake's whole thing about religion was that it was perverted and twisted by repression. The way Freud talked about sex. Except Blake didn't think any repression was necessary, whereas Freud did..

"Embraces are cominglings from the head to the toe, and not a pompous priest entering through a secret place"


Blake (none / 0) (#60)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 01:11:51 PM EST

is possibly the only purveyor of faith that I identify with. the man was a freak.
I have lots of his art on my walls.

I have the entire set of Luigi Schiavonetti engravings in my hallway.

A genius (none / 0) (#61)
by jondee on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 01:21:31 PM EST

where are they when we need them?


: yep (none / 0) (#62)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 01:32:50 PM EST

What is a wife and what is a harlot? What is a church and what is a theatre? are they two and not one? Can they exist separate? Are not religion and politics the same thing? Brotherhood is religion. O demonstrations of reason dividing families in cruelty and pride!
William Blake

WH spokesman really (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by MO Blue on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:44:42 AM EST

clarified the issue.

Burton added, "The president is obviously a Christian. He prays everyday."

IIRC practicing Muslims pray everyday.

President definitely needs better spokespersons.

OMG no kidding (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:10:23 AM EST

So are they suggesting that Muslims don't pray? Are they suggesting that nobody but Christians pray? In my opinion nobody prays more than Muslims but I was always a slacker on praying so these people that promise to drop everything and pray five times a day are pretty dedicated IMO :) One of the things the military had to figure out was how to deal with the need to pray and being attacked by insurgents. I'm not kidding, my spouse said that in Iraq a mixed group came under attack and it lasted through prayer time. Some Iraqi troops are firing back, others got their rugs out and began praying, the United States troops of course were all firing back too but yelling, "WTF are you guys doing". Some Muslims have the whole rest of the world beat on dedicated praying :)


To whom is the Pres. praying? Be (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by oculus on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:22:58 PM EST

specific.


: How many Gods do you think there are? (none / 0) (#71)
by Jack E Lope on Sat Aug 21, 2010 at 08:39:54 AM EST

Though I am not militarytracy, to whom you specifically addressed your question, I'll point out that your question is based on the premise that there are more Gods than One.
If we turn it into a popularity contest to see which one God is true, they each turn out to be false - since Christianity is the religion of choice of about 31% of the world's population, that leaves ~69% who believe otherwise. (If you remove the ~16% who claim no faith, that still leaves ~53% of the world who have a non-Christian faith.)
Unless Christians and Muslims really pray to the same God, in which case they seem to constitute a majority of the world population.
In Union, Strength.

What's really pathetic (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by jondee on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:23:19 AM EST

is that in the 21st century, a Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim or, horror of horrors, self-declared agnostic or atheist, probably still has zero chance of ever getting elected President in this "christian nation"; thanks in large part to the Right's continual feeding of, and coalition building with, the most reactionary elements here.

I don't really go with that (none / 0) (#34)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:36:06 AM EST

I would not answer direct questions about my faith.


: I waiting for a frustrated pol (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by nycstray on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:39:20 AM EST

to be asked about O and just blurt out "who gives a sh*t?!"

He should have said that the Prez (none / 0) (#39)
by Joan in VA on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:44:38 AM EST

has Bible scripture sent to his Crackberry every day. That idea always makes me gag so it should be a winner with the Christianists.


: if they said that about his (none / 0) (#41)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:47:39 AM EST

blackberry the headline would be "Obama gets religion from his desert" or something.

: Hillary Does Too (none / 0) (#42)
by squeaky on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:48:06 AM EST

If that makes you gag less, IOW anything Obama makes you gag... just sayin...

Where are his friends? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by ruffian on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 02:26:04 PM EST

Remember Clinton had 'Friends of Bill', usually non-officeholders, that would come out and make the arguments he could not make himself. They had to explain things a lot trickier than why being called a "Muslim" should not be a pejorative. Sometimes they looked ridiculous, but they were out there, and it did help the public see that maybe lying about your sex life should not warrant removal from office.

Some wise unpaid spokespeople should be able to help with this.

: Really! (none / 0) (#70)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:24:40 PM EST

I very much like the fact that Obama doesn't make a big show of going to church and etc., but hate, hate, hate, the fact that he and his people push back against the "slur" that he's Muslim instead of fiercely making the point that using that idea as some kind of slur or insult is outrageous to begin with.

I think (none / 0) (#1)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 09:49:23 AM EST

many republicans were hoping they might say something like "so what if he is"
can you imagine what would have happened?yikes.

Sure (none / 0) (#2)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 09:50:44 AM EST

My point is that for those who are happy Obama waded into the Cordoba Controversy, they should consider why that was foolish in the context of THIS story.


: I agree with you on both points (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 09:52:22 AM EST

but honestly I think that horrible pew pol show nothing if not a total failure of communication and connection with the electorate.

There's a third option in addition to (none / 0) (#4)
by Anne on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:00:41 AM EST

(1) standing up against it and (2) forcefully denying it: (3) saying nothing at all.

I mean, why not let people hear the full extent of the bigotry, because silence will only force the volume louder and the words uglier - and it will expand to focus on skin color, for sure.

Why not let people see what real prejudice looks like, and let them decide if this is who they really want to be associated with?

Well (none / 0) (#5)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:05:13 AM EST

I disagree with you there. You need to push back on this one.


Proving a negative is (none / 0) (#7)
by Anne on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18:10 AM EST

maybe the hardest thing of all, and that's the position they're in.

The bigots aren't going to buy denials no matter how forceful they are.

There may be people who start thinking, "methinks he doth protest too much," and wonder why.

Obama will be playing defense in a game where the offense - the bigots - have unlimited downs in their march to the end zone; meanwhile, the end zone at the other end of the field is getting farther away.

I'm not saying that prejudice isnt' worth fighting - it is - but I think you have to look at why the bigots are looking to engage in the first place, and decide whether it is better to stand and fight people who may never tire, or keep your eye on your own agenda and keep moving.

Tough choice.


The people who think he's a (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by dk on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:20:52 AM EST

muslim clearly don't believe anything he says anyway. Not sure why him denying it will do much of anything.


not true IMO (none / 0) (#14)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:25:49 AM EST

there are a lot of people who are willing to give Obama a chance and are certainly willing to believe he is not a muslim (not that there is anything wrong with that) if they simply got off the damn oval office couch and engaged people.
if they dont know how Hillarys husband would be more that willing to do some workshops I have no doubt.

this is not entirely speculation on my part I know people who are simply overwhelmed by the FOX news BS by all the people around them.

a choice quote from my sister who lives in the thick of it from the health care debate when I explained that "death panels" was complete BS.
"well" she said "no one here believes that. probably because they never heard it explained like that before"

its not rocket science.


Perhaps. (none / 0) (#16)
by dk on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:32:38 AM EST

Given how much Obama has talked about Jesus, though, especially in the south during the primaries, it's hard to imagine how much more evidence of his religion he's going to be able to come up with.

As for Fox news, that's not going away, but there is already plenty of other information out there. People watch what they choose to watch, but that sort of proves my point. Those people are predisposed not to believe Obama, and him stamping his feet about how much of a Christian he is, IMO, won't have much of an effect.


have you forgotten (none / 0) (#17)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:34:57 AM EST

about Rev Wright?

perhaps a wacko but certainly a christian.
maybe they should put him back in the news.


Well, exactly. The people (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by dk on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:39:01 AM EST

most up in arms now about Obama being a muslim now were up in arms back then because he was a Christian but followed a minister they didn't like.

To me, this shows again that it has less to do with whether Obama is a Christian or a Muslim, but more about a group of people who are a) obssesed with religion and b) predisposed to take the "worst" (in their own minds) view of Obama at any given moment.


certainly there is a group (none / 0) (#21)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:41:43 AM EST

that you describe. but I also think there are significant numbers of lurkers and the easily influenced who just need a little help.


I think it was more than just the Right-Wingers (none / 0) (#28)
by vicndabx on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:16:25 AM EST

who were up in arms over some of the things Rev. Wright said.

Speculation on my part but I suspect that may be why you don't see him making a big deal about church. Particularly if he has to worry about the Rev/Pastor saying something some may interpret as offensive.


: I think thats right. (none / 0) (#29)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:19:33 AM EST

interesting quandary

CNN did that last night (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by Joan in VA on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:51:05 AM EST

but they used that g-d America clip to show that Americans don't think of Wright's church as Christian because most people's Christian preachers don't curse America. Not helpful.


confused (none / 0) (#6)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:05:47 AM EST

"will expand to focus on skin color"
WILL expand?
what the heck do you think that pew poll was about?

as far as "letting them see what real prejudice looks like" how would we do that? mirrors?


It's stuff like this (none / 0) (#8)
by CST on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18:46 AM EST

that makes me happy I'm young. I will probably outlive a lot of these people.

what makes you think (none / 0) (#10)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:20:59 AM EST

the next gen will be better?

sorry. just askin


askin (5.00 / 2) (#11)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:21:37 AM EST

because I thought the same thing. once.


I bet from the time you (none / 0) (#13)
by CST on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:25:13 AM EST

thought that - it is a little better.


more like (none / 0) (#15)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:27:20 AM EST

one step forward three quarters step back.
on good days.


yea (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by CST on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:36:31 AM EST

but that's still a quarter step forward. I plan on living a lonnnng time.

I know there's a lot of crazy going on right now but in some ways I feel like it is the gasping breath of a dying breed. And they're all that more desperate because they know they're outnumbered - or will be soon. Demographics are not in their favor.

Also most of the Muslim Immigrants in this country - are new. It makes a difference.

link:

"65 percent of the Muslim-American population are first-generation immigrants, and 61 percent of the foreign-born arrived in the 1990s or this decade. Seventy-seven percent of Muslims living in the United States are citizens, with 65 percent of the foreign-born being naturalized citizens. As a point of comparison, 58 percent of foreign-born Chinese living in the United States are naturalized citizens. "

"Age distribution of Muslims in the United States

Age 18 - 29: 29%
Age 30 - 49: 48%
Age 50 - 64: 18%
Age 65: + / 5%"

emphasis mine


: I admire your optimism (none / 0) (#23)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:45:41 AM EST

but I swear to you I have almost certainly said exactly this:

I know there's a lot of crazy going on right now but in some ways I feel like it is the gasping breath of a dying breed. And they're all that more desperate because they know they're outnumbered - or will be soon. Demographics are not in their favor.
the frightening thing to me is how vital and active the rights web presence is. those are not old people for the most part. there are more "young republicans" than any of us would like to admit.
but pay no attention to me. I am a curmudgeon.
please continue with your engaging optimism.

either way (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by CST on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 10:24:18 AM EST

It's still true - with regards to these people. Lets just say I hope they are. I do think there is less of a fear of "other" among younger people today. In any event they can still be influenced.


: I'll be optimistic again (none / 0) (#69)
by christinep on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 05:07:17 PM EST

Because not only changing demographics, but today's rapid and more inclusive communication forms tends to undercut some of the old standby myths usually perpetuated via ignorance. I am also hopeful that the fervor of this continuing "The Other" attack on President Obama reveals the ragged edge of changing dynamics. (My experience: When the opponent attack with an out-of-proportion ferocity, more often than not it is a signal of the oppoent's weakened position. The real question involves strategy for letting the fire/tiger/other fury that the Becks-of-the-world unleash blow back on them...don't jump into the center of the fire and risk one's own consumption, just nudge it and finesse it back.)

Because if he is a Muslim (none / 0) (#24)
by me only on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:05:02 AM EST

he has consistently lied to the American people about who he is.

But you can do that if you are a Muslim :) (none / 0) (#26)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:11:57 AM EST

and that's okay. You can also do that if you are Christian too and get forgiven later on :)


What? (none / 0) (#27)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:13:11 AM EST

This is the most bizarre comment ever.


I guess I was too vague (none / 0) (#31)
by me only on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:23:28 AM EST

If Obama really is a Muslim he lied during the election. That he is a Muslim is no longer the issue, the lying is.

Like Bill Clinton's BJ. In the end it really was about perjuring himself in a deposition.


What the hell are you responding to? (none / 0) (#32)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:27:35 AM EST

Obama is NOT a Muslim. Where do you get the lying nonsense from?


So what IF he is (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by star on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:12:39 PM EST

influenced by Islam and islamic culture. isnt it better to have a president in this day and age when this country is so involved with islamic world, to have a president who understands it better?

This should have been the Obama teams's approach from day 1. I am married to a muslim and i really was offended when Obama pushed back against the Muslim label as forcefully as he did. I did not convert, but my kids are considered muslims for all intents and purpose since they have a muslim last name.

In denying over and over as if being a muslim is the biggest crime is only feeding the frenzy of wingers. but maybe it is too late now. He should have done it back during the campaign when he had so many people truly in love with him (no matter how or how much he prayed).


I forgot to quote you again (none / 0) (#47)
by me only on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:56:00 AM EST

no one is standing up to this bigotry and saying 'so what if he is?'

If he is a Muslim. He lied. Why is this so hard for you to understand? The White House must take the stand that he is not a Muslim for that reason.

Anyone taking the stand so what if he is - assumes this a hypothetical question with no other context.


What? (none / 0) (#50)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:04:42 PM EST

That is just idiotic.

"So what if he is
is another way of saying "not that there's anything wrong with that."

How the hell did you come up with your weird thought?


: "When did you stop beating your wife"? (none / 0) (#57)
by oculus on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:25:13 PM EST

: Reading your blog. (none / 0) (#66)
by me only on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 02:38:55 PM EST

wow (none / 0) (#37)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:41:40 AM EST

just wow.
it would take weeks to unpack that comment.


it's bad enough that he lied (none / 0) (#33)
by jondee on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:31:36 AM EST

about not being a non-native-born, marxist, tree hugging secularist..

We, the American people, will only stand for so much. Gentlemen, start your teabags.


He's a tree hugger?! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by nycstray on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:37:53 AM EST

O. M. G. {head desk}


they all are (none / 0) (#40)
by jondee on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:45:50 AM EST

just listen to Rush, "Dr Laura, "Dr" Savage, Hannity, Neil Boortz, Beck etc for five minutes..


: I think we should start calling all (none / 0) (#43)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:49:11 AM EST

of them "Dr".
Dr Hannity, Dr OReily, Dr Beck.
sort of honorary, you know?

Since he was born (none / 0) (#48)
by me only on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:57:14 AM EST

in the US, isn't a Marxist, and isn't a secularist you have no point.


rumours abound (none / 0) (#53)
by jondee on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:15:31 PM EST

concerning him having unnatural relations with certain trees native to the dark continent, however..

Seriously, you really think there's a possibility he could've gone through the nasty, rough-and-tumble world of Chicago politics for years and a U.S Presidential run against the people who sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks, bugged the Democratic headquarters and documented all Clinton's bjs and kept his religion under wraps all that time?


them muzzlems (none / 0) (#56)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:23:36 PM EST

are a sneaky lot


What? (none / 0) (#65)
by me only on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 02:28:53 PM EST

This must be news to you.

Obama is a Christian who attended church at least with some regularity while in Chicago. (If he does in DC, I don't know, but that doesn't change the fact.)


me only: look up facetious (none / 0) (#67)
by PatHat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 03:44:35 PM EST

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facetious

Then re-read the posts.


: and then (none / 0) (#68)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 04:04:25 PM EST

irony, wit and humor

If he is a Muslim, (none / 0) (#73)
by Jack E Lope on Sat Aug 21, 2010 at 11:28:47 AM EST

hasn't he lost the respect of his fellow sterotypical Muslims by appointing a woman to SCOTUS?

Next thing you know, he'll be letting his wife reveal her hair and bare her shoulders in public!

Or, maybe, he will be seen eating during daytime this month. Or eating pork.


As a followup to my post (none / 0) (#46)
by vicndabx on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 11:51:06 AM EST

here

I think it is not so cut and dried as it appears. While it is true that the game of politics must be played skillfully, Obama is playing from a slightly different rulebook. Remember, he is the first black president. That is to say, if Obama had been going to church every Sunday to reassure the masses (let's be honest here - white voters) that he was Christian, it most assuredly would have had to be to a "toned down" church as compared to those he'd attended in the past. Might not be something he wants to do - since we are talking about one's religion.

He probably has to play his religion very close to the {family's} chest. Who knows what the pastor will say, who knows what the people in the church will do/say? Gotta worry about the evening news. Hence he's behind the 8-ball on this and can't combat this meme w/o blunt statements. Assuming he had been able to be seen regularly in church prior to Cordoba, once he did speak out, it would've been less of an issue.

Huh? (none / 0) (#49)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:02:49 PM EST

Your argument cuts towards Obama staying out of the Cordoba Center issue. I recall you strenuously supporting him on it.


: I still do (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by vicndabx on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:16:52 PM EST

I don't disagree he was probably hamstrung from the get go as your post infers - you see my thoughts on why that is. Although, IMO, he still needs to talk about Cordoba in light of 1 - he is the first black president and part of his appeal was the thought that he'd be someone who would advocate for minority groups (rightly or wrongly) 2 - we are trying to use a little more carrot as opposed to stick in the ME, and 3 - what better opportunity than on something where the constitution has your back.

Capt Howdy, have you changed your (none / 0) (#58)
by oculus on Fri Aug 20, 2010 at 12:29:38 PM EST

mind on whether the Obama family should more prominently and frequently attend Sunday services? I see a Bible-toting Obama and family walking over to St. John's, which, I think, is Episcopalian.

: changed my mind about if they should? (none / 0) (#72)
by Capt Howdy on Sat Aug 21, 2010 at 09:28:49 AM EST

no. they should.
changed my mind about if I hope they didnt capitulate and wish they didnt have to? no.
not really but I am most of all a realist about politics.
I have been saying Obama needs to start trying to communicate with the people who think he is a muslim. one of the reasons so many believe this is because he seems to live behind one of those mysterious decorative arab screens. the eyes of the commoner never allowed to fall on his exotic and perfect beauty.
kick down the screens Barry. your a$$ depends on. and possibly the future of the country.