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Coffee's For Closers

Reading and commenting about this Scott Lemieux article about baseball managers and how much they matter (not much generally imo), I started looking for Bill James' writings on managers (specifically on Casey Stengel), and ran across this Joe Posnanski piece:

So, last night, I was doing what I often do … I was reading some old Bill James stuff in his wonderfully written but somewhat awkwardly named This Time Let’s Not Eat the Bones. The book is a collection of excerpts and essays and thoughts from the Baseball Abstracts along with several other magazine articles he wrote.[. . . A]s often happens, I came across a paragraph that set my mind racing. In this case, the paragraph is about baseball managers and the general concept that nice guys finish last[:]

“Every good manager effectively threatens his players with professional extermination if they don’t give him the best effort they are capable of giving; Casey Stengel, Billy Martin, White Herzog and Earl Weaver are masters at it, as was Durocher. These are not nice people. They are manipulative, cunning SOBs, hard and crass and they drink too much. Nice guys finish last because a nice guy is not going to coldly exploit the insecurities of his players. Nice guys finish last because a nice guy is not going to kick an old friend out of his comfortable sinecure the minute that old friend becomes a milli-second too slow on the fastball.”

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Now, the first thing that strikes me about this is the first thing that strikes me about everything Bill writes: It just make sense. Being a good baseball manager — being a good coach of any kind — often demands a very different approach, even the opposite approach, of being a good person. [. . .] Here was a case where humanity and success clashed; iand it’s hardly the only case. “Nice guys finish last“ isn’t entirely true — Bill points this out in his essay — but there is truth in it, and the truth comes from the harsh reality that very often when you are trying to be successful the ”nice thing to do,“ is exactly the wrong approach.

Or as Alec Baldwin said in Glengarry Glen Ross:

”That watch costs more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? … You see pal, that’s who I am. And you’re nothing. Nice guy? I don’t give a (bleep). Good father? (Bleep) you! Go home and play with your kids. You wanna work here, close!“

Coffee's for closers. Most people take this to be some indication of a "survival of the fittest" ethos that brings out the best in merit and result. But is that really true? Certainly the performance of Wall Street and the Establishment Media in the past decade puts the lie to that idea. So what do we mean by closing? The Galtian myth of meritocracy is surely not it.

More likely, it is gaming the game. Sports is an interesting comparison. Generally speaking, we think of sports as a true meritocracy. But surely it isn't in a pure sense. Consider Roger Clemens or Lance Armstrong. Or even the late Bobby Thomson (the sign stealing by Durocher's Giants.)

But on a more basic level than that, even sports is imbued with politics, culture and expectation (see, e.g., the black QB issue.) Podnanski praises James for his "knack of looking at things — even the most common, every day things — like they are new to him."

I think the whole concept of "closing" - of "merit" and "success" - should be looked at in a new way. I'll draw on another cliche to drive home the point - "he was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple." Much of life is an exercise in this delusion, on all levels. We should take another look at it.

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    Your men have to believe, not just fear. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:06:55 AM EST
    Obama used to say that he would be happy to be a one term president if he could do really good in that one term.

    I don't get that sense any more.

    He is just another skipper asking you to turn your boat's bow into hell and he will be with you in spirit, maybe.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:07:43 AM EST
    I think it is about balance. (none / 0) (#1)
    by Buckeye on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 09:49:34 AM EST
    What makes a leader great (among other things) is that they earn the respect of their teams through a combination of toughness, fairness, and empathy.  

    For example, when Jack Welch got hired as CEO of GE, his team went to bat for him to help him get the job.  They said he was tough, but fair.  You cannot lead by trying to win a popularity contest or stress over being liked, but you cannot be hated either.  

    My husband always says that great (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 09:58:59 AM EST
    leaders will show up standing next to you when you get $hit detail, and if they aren't that sort of leader they never gain the respect of those they lead to the point that everyone is giving their top preformance.  I tend to agree.

    Your husband is right, (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:18:57 AM EST
    but the problem for leaders is that gaining the respect of the led in that manner, particularly, is frowned upon as a career move.  If you want to move up the ladder, the most efficacious manner today is to suckle hind teat from the guys who write your OER and muddle through with the "90 is still an A" mentality with your subordinates and sweep under the rug that which would get you below a 90.

    If you're the LT out there helping your driver break track or work on the radio, while your subordinates will get the message you both care and want to do it right, your fellow officers will laugh at you behind your back for caring too much and call you a bad leader b/c you treat your men like men.  And it will affect your OER.

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    Most OER's are written by the officer (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:33:16 AM EST
    that it is for these days.  Total hippy grading :)  It is about getting that above center mass.  There was almost 100% promotion though after the military hit the breaking point a few years back.  It is now beginning to return to less than 100%.  It think it is 50% promotion for W5s this year.

    Ten years ago it was about sucking up the bestest, and sometimes I thought my husband was doomed because he doesn't suck butt worth a spit. But everyone addicted to sucking up promoting is mostly gone.  They couldn't handle bad things, they couldn't handle real combat stress and the chance that they would come home in a box.  Those people were never wired for real sacrifice and achievement, only sliding through life and manipulating their way along and most of them didn't make it in uniform.  Some people who were shunned ten years ago and placed on back burners are literally superstars now too.  Some Captain about 10 years ago pulled me aside and told me my husband was a Renegade or something.....maybe he was a Maverick, anyhow I was supposed to rein that boy in.  That Captain is gone now and my husband was pulled aside for mission planning a year later because he could focus on keeping people alive verses checking boxes quietly knowing his place.

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    I won't dispute you (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:48:21 AM EST
    as times of war have a way of leading to the scammers and apple-polishers being found, but I will say I'll believe it when I see it.  Moreover - and no disrespect here - but warrants have always had different expectations (and just about everything else) when it comes to promotions, vis-a-vis commissioned.

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    W3 promotion was only 60% (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:55:43 AM EST
    when it mattered in this house, W4 was the only one that wasn't worried about because pilots were unloading to work for mercs.  No disrespect, but I think it has been awhile since you were in uniform.  Two years ago promotion from Captain to Major in the Army was 100%.  My husband is only one of two warrants where he works now, everyone else is commissioned.  But he is considered a senior officer now and has to be FOD for Fort Rucker a couple of times a year now too.  And a W5 in aviation is either working Fort Rucker or the Pentagon :)

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    The Commanding General showed up (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:07:11 AM EST
    for P.T. on Monday and they were playing ultimate fisbee.  A captain on the field demanded to know who this guy was who was showing up and injecting himself into the game :)  My husband buried his head in his hands.  The CG stayed to play, and even threw a pass to my husband.  My husband said he dropped it but he fought it all the way to the ground and a voice in his head kept saying, "I can't believe I'm dropping this....I can't believe I'm dropping this".  But my spouse is also part of a task force this General set up to improve efficiency and promote excellence on Fort Rucker.  He has employed blogging as a way to facilitate it, the blogs are .mil though and private.  But last week my husband was blown away by how acidic blog posting gets.  He said that people said things to each other they would never say to each others faces simply out of human respect and I just died laughing.  He stayed late, like until 8:00 pm, at work and I didn't know where the heck he was.  He was trying to fix someone who was wrong on the internet :)  It was too funny

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    That's awesome for the CG to be there (none / 0) (#32)
    by republicratitarian on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:29:12 PM EST
    As for the blog, there's nothing like anonymity to tell people how you really feel :) If you guys are Army, and I think you are (helo pilot?), those blogs will turn ugly quick. Soldiers can't help themselves.

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    All the folks I served with (none / 0) (#29)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 12:26:29 PM EST
    or knew in service are retired or close to it, save (as far as I can tell) a two-star and a guy who went back in post-9/11 after being out for like 10 years.  I got out in the mid 80s.

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    Houk, Torre, Francona (none / 0) (#5)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:08:22 AM EST
    all would or will let a player go if performance slips.  Unlike, Weaver, Martin et al they don;t see the need to be a douchebag in the process.  Publicly dissing the player is unnecessary.  All pro athletes know the deal, if they do not perform they'll be gone.

    Or, as Steelers coach Tomlin (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:39:39 AM EST
    said a year or two ago: "I'll tolerate you (and your sh*t) until I can replace you."

    That is true in just about everything.  It leads me to wonder this about Obama:  "what is it about, say, Rahm that Obama finds so irreplacable that he can't find a replacement?  Or all those Bush-appointed US Attorneys still on the job?  Or, for that matter, Alan Simpson of the Catfood Commission?"  Because each of them has shown, amply, that they tend to fling a lot of ... trouble around.  A heck of a lot more than, say, Santonio Holmes did.

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    Two things (none / 0) (#6)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:09:05 AM EST
    First, I've heard it said any number of times that, as to managing baseball, 95 percent of 15 y/o American boys have enough baseball knowledge to effectively make the decisions and moves that a manager makes in managing a baseball games.  It's the understanding of and skills in leading men that make managing something for only a very few people.

    Second, insofar as the theme of the Dems' midterm (And 2012) campaigns is "choose us, we're the lesser of two evils", one is compelled to wonder what will happen when the Dems' working the insecurities of their base - i.e., fear of Wingnuts - stops working.  What new gambit will Obama come up with to try to motivate the Real Democrats he's spent the last near-2 years b*tchslapping?  Because, like a sports manager, working the insecurities of their base is what both parties have been doing, rather than positively building policy and the results that flow from policy (whatever that policy might be).

    The core problem - as we've seen from the results - with the whole sports-derived "work the insecurities of your base" model of political (and economic/business) governance - is that neither government nor economies nor business are the dualistic universes set off to the side from the rest of the world, where the only thing which matters in the final result is that which happens between the lines.  Our sports games are descriptive of aspects of life, but ultimately their derivative, reductionist nature (which converts everything into overly simplistic, dualistic win-lose, score/be scored-upon, good-evil metrics) leads to leadership and managership which falls short.  Imagine, by comparison, a football team trying to make its way to score on a field where there's more than one other team (who don't necessarily play by the same, or any, rules), the lines on the field going every which way, and the goal line is somewhere over there.  Working the insecurities of your team members would not, in that context, be the most effective motivating strategy since walking off the field (or joining the other team, among other things) would be a rational response to that sort of leadership.  Operating from core principles toward objectives both of which benefit, not punish, the members of your team and make for making your team the largest, strongest possible is the way to go in that non-linear, non-dualistic world we are in.

    But, hey, in Rahm's words I'm just a "f'g retard" and he knows best, so maybe I should just STFU or something and get out of the way for him and his ilk to keep crashing things into the ground while lining their buddies' pockets.

    Two things (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:09:24 AM EST
    First, I've heard it said any number of times that, as to managing baseball, 95 percent of 15 y/o American boys have enough baseball knowledge to effectively make the decisions and moves that a manager makes in managing a baseball games.  It's the understanding of and skills in leading men that make managing something for only a very few people.

    Second, insofar as the theme of the Dems' midterm (And 2012) campaigns is "choose us, we're the lesser of two evils", one is compelled to wonder what will happen when the Dems' working the insecurities of their base - i.e., fear of Wingnuts - stops working.  What new gambit will Obama come up with to try to motivate the Real Democrats he's spent the last near-2 years b*tchslapping?  Because, like a sports manager, working the insecurities of their base is what both parties have been doing, rather than positively building policy and the results that flow from policy (whatever that policy might be).

    The core problem - as we've seen from the results - with the whole sports-derived "work the insecurities of your base" model of political (and economic/business) governance - is that neither government nor economies nor business are the dualistic universes set off to the side from the rest of the world, where the only thing which matters in the final result is that which happens between the lines.  Our sports games are descriptive of aspects of life, but ultimately their derivative, reductionist nature (which converts everything into overly simplistic, dualistic win-lose, score/be scored-upon, good-evil metrics) leads to leadership and managership which falls short.  Imagine, by comparison, a football team trying to make its way to score on a field where there's more than one other team (who don't necessarily play by the same, or any, rules), the lines on the field going every which way, and the goal line is somewhere over there.  Working the insecurities of your team members would not, in that context, be the most effective motivating strategy since walking off the field (or joining the other team, among other things) would be a rational response to that sort of leadership.  Operating from core principles toward objectives both of which benefit, not punish, the members of your team and make for making your team the largest, strongest possible is the way to go in that non-linear, non-dualistic world we are in.

    But, hey, in Rahm's words I'm just a "f'g retard" and he knows best, so maybe I should just STFU or something and get out of the way for him and his ilk to keep crashing things into the ground while lining their buddies' pockets.

    Well take baseball (none / 0) (#9)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:24:19 AM EST
    I was reading about Roger Clemens a little bit and actually read an old Posnanski article yesterday, Cheating And CHEATING.  

    The article is quite interesting as it looks at the steroid abuse issue and points to the use of "greenies" aka amphetamines which apparently EVERYONE used.  Willie Mays, Hank Aaron tried them.  It was part of the culture.  

    The point being about culture...trying to rise above the dirt does not always pay off.  And sometimes you don't even recognize dirt as dirt because functionally, it's not.  And yeah you can try to reform it but again, baseball, tell me why baseball players have twice the rate of adult ADHD as everyone else?

    Play the game (don't try to reform it).  Of course, I am thinking of politics here.  But politics is dirty, and to be good at it and stay in the game, you have to play.  Stay competitive.  I wonder what Obama would think about all this.  I think his Admin is trying too hard to be the "good guy."

    The greenies were so pervasive (none / 0) (#11)
    by scribe on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:35:24 AM EST
    that there were two coffeepots in the normal clubhouse.  One for the players (hi-test), loaded with greenies, and one for everyone else (not so hi-test).  Indeed, more than a couple people who would know have opined that the surprising rise in pitching this year is attributable to the recent demise of hi-test coffee in clubhouses.  

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#20)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:09:49 AM EST
    it's something I find really interesting for whatever reason.  I guess because it flies under the radar of the news media and no one seems to care.  And it continued well into this decade even as 60 minutes was doing specials on kids using Adderall to write papers in college.  But no one cared about baseball!  

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    Blofeld or Bond? (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:48:59 AM EST
    With a bit of tweaking of the conventional understanding of meritocracy, ruthlessness can be scalable as a positive value in a merit system, keep the system moral.

    James Bond is just as ruthless as Blofeld, but he always wins.

    So ruthlessness can be a positive quality when used for the sake of good, no?

    But then again, maybe that is just in the movies...

    Cheney bullied his way to the top, fixed intelligence leading up to the Iraq war, and possibly was party to crimes against humanity that are not even considered because they are so horrid. Were his actions based on craven lust for power, or were they based on positive ideals?

    I think he did it all because he thought it was good for America. Taking over an oil rich country by force because it is in America's strategic interest to do so is a bad thing?

    Well he failed.. so it is a bad thing.

    Bolton, Wolfowitz, Perle etc wanted to just nuke the place... that may have worked.... lol  

    Anyway it looks like we are in for another round of the ruthless ones.  Obama is clearly not so good at gaming the system... nor is any Democrat these days.

    The GOP has it down though, imo.

    Halliburton wins contract for (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:00:15 AM EST
    Iraqi oil.  UPI

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    Mission Accomplished ! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by lilburro on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:11:18 AM EST
    Giant Codpieces (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:16:51 AM EST
    Imagine that (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:09:48 AM EST
    If there is a jugular hidden in the fat somewhere I can always count on you to find it girl :)

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    Hidden? (none / 0) (#23)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:17:17 AM EST
    Not to take credit from oculus' find, but Haliburton does its criminal acts in plain sight.

    IOW, are you surprised that Haliburton is still dominating the game?

    I am not.

    Halliburton (NYSE: HAL) is the world's second largest [Schlumberger #1] oilfield services corporation with operations in more than 70 countries. It has hundreds of subsidiaries, affiliates, branches, brands and divisions worldwide and employs over 50,000 people.[5]


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    Well shame on me for tipping (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:23:34 AM EST
    my messenger.  I can think it, I can conjure it up, but it ain't so until its so and oculus clued me in first man :)

    I am going to work harder and get better at killing the messenger though.  Tipping them only leads to job security.  If I kill one, one less mouth to feed and a job opening :)  Two birds one stoning

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:31:11 AM EST
    Your comment does not appear to be responding to what I said.

    But, I am not be surprised that you misunderstood my comment, considering that you appear to be looking to settle a vendetta..

    Knock yourself out..

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    Oy...zero vendetta (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:35:23 AM EST
    This is the internet, no one knows that I'm really a dog.

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    but one darned good typing dog. (none / 0) (#28)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 12:19:41 PM EST
    Got Rex beat all to Sunday. Some folks are a mite touchy here on occasion. Even me, sometimes.

    I didn't want to relate my military info, because it was RIF or take an early out bonus... the peace dividend after Desert Storm. I can say that a lot of 4.0 officers who weren't well connected either became E-7's or left. Some not-so-good officers with rings on their hands stayed in. they were in the club.

    Some of us were scruffy, ugly, and didn't have that High-Speed-Low-Drag protective association, stirred our coffe with our pencils (I can't use the anatomical part that's supposed to be used), chewed tobbaco and scratched. Superior war fighters, superior combat commanders, but not part of 'da club.'

    The WPPA takes care of other ringknockers, and it doesn't matter if they are actually good at leadership. Especially over the past few years, I'd imagine, MT, since the bottoming out. When I was in, during the cold war and shortly thereafter, a lot of folks never made it past First Lieutenant because performance and leadership were important. After all, facing a numerically superior adversary in the Warsaw Pact, the 100 percent likelihood of chemical weapons being used by the opfor, and 'tripwire' units, like the Black Horse in the Fulda Gap, and the 2nd Infantry Division on the DMZ in Korea, kept people on their toes.

    For those who don't know what a tripwire unit is, it's the unit that gets pasted slowing down the opposition while the armies behind are transported, or while the heavy divisions behind move to blocking positions.

    Ah, the days. Leadership then was hands-on. A lieutenant who didn't bust track on occasion was on his way to the IRR. Majors and colonels held flashlights for e-3's and e-4's to let them do their jobs. They didn't need to tell the EM's how to do their jobs, just lead them to the job, tell them what the job was.

    I wonder if my years saw a more mission-oriented approach. Seems to me that a lot of officers who got promoted through Major or Lt. Colonel were not the lean, mean, handsome, polished types of 2010. Stained clothes, beer guts, thick mustaches that wouldn't be allowed by current regs... more eccentricities were allowed and accepted then. Now it seems at least in appearance, it's cookie cutter.
    Geez, I'm beginning to read like Grandpa Simpson...

    Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

    I either need to take my meds or need to stop taking them, lol.

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    It is true that more polish (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 01:28:48 PM EST
    is required, no beer guts and no stashes and we prefer no tobaccy...bleh.  We want you willing to die drug free, fanatics are always welcome :)  Can't wear the ring anymore though in your photo.  I can't tell if we are about to go down the "bad road" again.  The Captain who asked the CG who the heck he was, he is ummmmm....well, people (oldsters) are getting upsetted around him a lot :)  He's sort of a twit.  I am having flashbacks from ten years ago when he's around.  And everything is so high tech anymore, even the infantry and all that that entails is high tech as hell now.

    Had some time out with friends a few days ago, the husband is in your age bracket and was enlisted but he is today one of the best instructors that Fort Rucker has now.  We were talking about how scummy commissioned aviation officers can be....too often are....teh few, teh priveleged, teh idiots.. and everyone agreed that if you want to know really good people and families you must look in the old infantry.

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    Aviation-- When I was in, it wasn't a branch (none / 0) (#33)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:02:49 PM EST
    until the 80s. When aviation qualified officers needed branch time, levies for officers went out. sometimes it was a dumping ground for (usually) combat arms officers that had crashed and burned an eval, irritated a superior, or somebody that command 'just didn't like,' and sometimes it was because a person didn't fit where he was. Sometimes there were no open company, battery, or squadron commands. Instead of more staff time, aviation school and a much better chance at a command. After initial flight training, you'd get sent to Knox or Benning for advanced training in attack, observation or utility.

    WOs were the 'old pros,' but commissions commanded. Hot $hit flyer lieutenants and captains got air cavalry spots (heheheheh, I must have been good  ;-).

    Seriously, back then, aviation was not a career except for warrants. It was sometimes called pergutory for officers.

    Once it became an actual career path, Rucker didn't jeopardize a career. Special Forces used to be the same way, a promotion-ender, because your commands weren't in your branch.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:12:51 PM EST
    Life is ever changing isn't it?  I remember when my husband told me he would never ever fly one of those crappy Apaches too.  He even considered going to the guard with the old Cobras.  He almost didn't make the conversion.  Now Special Forces is the place to be, and suddenly military intelligence (the people I have made so much fun of in my past) are the new Gods.  If you go civilian out of M.I. you can still be a young punk and they have a slew of jobs for you.

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    Heck, I've now identified myself (none / 0) (#35)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Sep 02, 2010 at 05:01:05 PM EST
    with the dinosaurs. Does MR. MT ever get time in MH 6's? If he's ever up this way, there's a big field right next to my house, hint hint.

    It's big enough for anything the Army flies, actually, but I miss me some LOACH. Besides, you can land one almost on a postage stamp.

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    Here's another oculus scoop: (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:36:49 AM EST
    "Obama Admits He Is Muslim."  See "Globe," in supermarket checkout line yesterday.

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    H/t to David Mamet. (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:56:10 AM EST
    New subject:  Bud Black, mgr. of the Padres, is always referred to by the radio and TV guys as a "nice guy."  Pads are tanking.  

    I think the theme is that results are what matter (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 01:59:39 PM EST
    Specifically, you are judged based on the the results that advance the highest priority of the group that is judging.

    Intentions don't count.