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"Fifth Column" Sully

Irony alert - Fifth Column Sully has two guest posters at his site decrying mean discourse. Patrick Appel:

Calling political opponents terrorists is so disgusting and so obviously beyond the pale it hardly requires rebutting.

Oh really? How about calling your political opponents "fifth columnists" for the terrorists? Does that make the Sully Guests' Miss Manners guide? Conor Friedersdorf:

I really don't think my standards are particularly exacting. Don't compare ideological adversaries to murderous totalitarians. Refrain from rudely interrupting emotionally troubled black women if your planned interjection is the n-word. Don't tell callers to your show that they're so annoying their spouse should put a gun to their head. (Note to skeptical Web historians: yes, those are all actual examples!)

Here's another actual example that the Sully Guests forgot -- "decadent left enclaves on the coasts [that] may well mount a fifth column [for the terrorists]." Maybe they can add that one to their Miss Manners book. Sanctimonious hypocrites.

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    I haven't intentionally accessed his blog (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:06:21 PM EST
    in years.

    I take any opportunity (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:07:18 PM EST
    to remind people of what he is and what he has said.

    Parent
    "Bell curve" says it all IMO. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by andgarden on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:37:40 PM EST
    Sure (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:42:39 PM EST
    But not on this issue.

    Parent
    I avoid him as well (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by desmoinesdem on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:59:50 PM EST
    It made me sick to see so many progressives link approvingly to him once he got on the Obama bandwagon. He is atrocious.

    Parent
    Sully, August 31, 2010 (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:16:47 PM EST
    "To equate American citizens with the enemy is to engage in McCarthyite excess that is as wrong on the left as it is on the right. It's a step too far - and it is empirically false."

    What chutzpah

    Parent

    That is some gap between (none / 0) (#21)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:56:39 PM EST
    now and then....

    Regardless of his views on gay rights and torture, he does have a very strong authoritarian bent.

    Parent

    and an apparent misogynistic side (none / 0) (#22)
    by christinep on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:04:56 PM EST
    word has it he's been (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:45:56 PM EST
    working on a play tentatively titled "The I Hate Vagina Monologues"..

    Parent
    First time I read that I read "Vegans." (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:50:15 PM EST
    But But But (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Jackson Hunter on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:04:04 PM EST
    Sully LOVES Obama, so he's really cool, right?  LOL  Not a shot at you at all BTD, you have always been very rational in your Obama support.  I do admit it is a shot at others.  It reminds me of people using Joke Line to defend Obama, talk about short sightedness.

    I'll never forget (let alone forgive) that jerk for the whole fifth column thing, but I thank you for reminding me and others of his idiocy.

    Jackson

    I understand the frustration (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:46:04 PM EST
    over Obama....

    Yet, at some point, I would hope people would recognize there is an election coming up and that re-electing Democrats is important....

    Has everyone forgotten what Republican rule is like?  Schiavo?

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    Schiavo? (none / 0) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 08:03:07 PM EST
    Schiavo was such a generous Republican gift to the Democrats that even the Dems couldn't find a way to mess it up.  

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    It shows that the Republicans (none / 0) (#27)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 08:18:14 PM EST
    can't help themselves.....

    Even though contemporary opinion polls showed 70% the country opposed the Republican interference in the Florida court system, they proceeded anyway.

    So, next time, the Republicans would do something similar--because that is what they do.....

    Parent

    You could be right (none / 0) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 08:54:57 PM EST
    But I kinda thought that they started out thinking that they had a winning issue and wound up with having a tiger by tail. By the time that they figured out how wrong they were to grab that tail, they couldn't figure out how to let go without getting hurt even more.

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    If he is (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jackson Hunter on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 09:47:04 PM EST
    the nominee in '12, I'll vote for him.  I'm voting straight Dem this Fall as well.  But as of now, I'm for a Primary against him, regardless of the consequences.  If he isn't lucky enough (and that would make us the people unlucky) to have Repub majorities to look good against, he is toast unless the Regressives are stupid enough to nominate Palin or Gingrich.  They can't govern, but they can campaign, and they'll find some non-offensive frontman to put up.

    Jackson

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    I really miss all those meta diaries. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:52:56 PM EST


    LOL (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Jackson Hunter on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 09:51:44 PM EST
    I know you're snarking a little, but it's been meta heaven over there today.  I'm done there, logged out never to log in again.  Kos and MB have really let their minions crap their bed beyond clean-up.

    BTW, Greenwald is a tea-bagger now, I know this because Deaniac just told me.  Deaniac, if that isn't an irony beyond all belief.  LMAO

    Jackson

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    Ooops, yup (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 09:58:25 PM EST
    Glenn Greenwald is unhinged again according to the DKos wrecking list :)

    Parent
    Mean discourse (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 09:54:47 PM EST
    What's that?

    Parent
    Sully Fluffers' Miss Manners guide? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:01:56 PM EST
    pfft
    thank you.
    its been a long day.

    I changed it (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:04:39 PM EST
    Jeralyn might not approve.

    Parent
    it did its (none / 0) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:11:31 PM EST
    job

    Parent
    Is this the brit Sullivan? (none / 0) (#7)
    by BTAL on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:17:54 PM EST


    Don't write that (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:20:56 PM EST


    um (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:33:34 PM EST
    ok

    delete me

    Parent

    would it have helped (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:34:41 PM EST
    if I added republican?
    which is really what I meant.

    no?

    delete me.


    Parent

    No (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:42:08 PM EST
    sorry (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:47:32 PM EST
    but try to put yourself in my shoes.  imagine how it feels to be "represented" by this guy in all those televised village conversations.

    its usually about as close as I get to tossing heavy objects at the tv.


    Parent

    Fair point (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:56:26 PM EST
    but we can't let that one slide.

    I don't get to use epithets against GOP Latinos.

    Parent

    point taken (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:57:25 PM EST
    I grovel in mortification

    Parent
    ROTFLOL (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 10:11:58 PM EST
    Does that make the Sully Guests' Miss Manners guide?


    Sore toes (none / 0) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:38:29 PM EST
    We all have our limits in different places.  I, too, cannot forgive or forget or get over the "fifth column" thing from Sullivan (nor earlier, the Betsy McCaughey monstrousness in the magazine or the "Bell Curve")

    , yet a friend who shares my political views pretty much 100 percent reads his blog with great interest every day.

    My friend, OTOH, cannot forgive Tweety for what he did during the Clinton era and doesn't even want to hear/read his name, and although I understand that entirely, I still find him interesting (largely for forensic reasons, but still...)

    Oh, a 'V' reference! (none / 0) (#35)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:49:42 PM EST
    Personally, I think he looks more a like a lizard person than a 5th column ;-).