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Gainesville disowns Terry Jones. What the residents think: He's "a lunatic", "a publicity hound" and "a weirdo."

In New York, supporters of the Islamic Center held a vigil near Ground Zero.

"Stand Up To Cancer" dominated the airwaves tonight, did anyone see it? Thoughts?

New York Magazine has a very funny recap of last night's Jersey Shore, which was the best episode of the season (if that's not an oxymoron): "It Puts the Lotion on the Butt."

This week's episode was for the ladies. The plate-throwing, hair-pulling, sex-having, plastic-bag-wearing ladies, who were uniformly on their absolute worst behavior, in the most incredible way.
The recap is funnier than the episode, but there were some gems. First there's a knock-down fight between Sammi and Jenni in which they lost their fake fingernails, later found in the kitchen, along with their pulled out hair extensions. Then Snooki's getting ready to "get intimate" with her new guy, and she's putting extra hairspray, perfume and lotion on: “If it's a smoosh, you gotta put lotion on your butt.” Then she dresses up like an exterminator to clean the "communal smoosh room."

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    stop now (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 12, 2010 at 08:22:02 PM EST
    Jim and others, this blog is not about you. Take your spats somewhere else. An open thread not a personal platform.

    You will all be banned if you keep turning threads into personal diatribes.

    JM (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 12, 2010 at 10:32:40 PM EST
    I have to respectfully disagree, if you're suggesting that, in these volatile times, it's irrelevant to the credibility of the site and to the sustaining of HONEST, above board, discussion and debate here to draw attention to the fact that a regular commenter has an established track record of posting misleading and injurious misinformation relating to such things as the Presidents true religion and the scheduled date of the opening of The Cordoba Center at other places on the net. Some realities aren't "personal" matters of opinion, contingent on one's political orientation, any more than my opinion that a lawyer would make a better plumber automatically makes them a plumber. And if a commenter's habitual relation to facts follows the above illogical tack, it's a service to the uninformed, and again, to honest discussion and debate here, to point that out.  
         

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    you respond with insults and ridicule and (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 12:57:27 AM EST
    change the topic from the subject matter under discussion to the particular commenter. Disagree with statements all you want, civilly, and do not attack the character of other commenters. These threads will not devolve into spats between two or three individuals. It's boring reading and a waste of bandwith. Either learn to respond without insults or move on. That goes for everyone, Jim, Jondee, Squeaky, Harry and others.

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    Dave Roberts, who played for the Padres (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:57:07 PM EST
    2005-2006, and is currently coaching here re baserunning/stealing skills, has lymphona.  He has definitely raised awareness in San Diego, including a "Stand Up for Cancer" event tonight at the Giants game.  Special section for fans who agreed to stand up for the entire game.  Not sure how effective this will be, but his talking about his disease and treatment has people listening.

    Not sure (none / 0) (#14)
    by CoralGables on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 08:57:37 AM EST
    how long you have been a Friar fan but thought you might enjoy this rather sad article on former Pads pitcher Eric Show

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    Sad is right (none / 0) (#22)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 11:09:29 AM EST
    The old saying goes, all you have to do as an athlete is be seen once with a book in your hand and you are automatically called "professor". However, that Show was too dumb to understand what the John Birch Society was about and represented, well, that speaks for itself.  

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    How sad. Lots of familiar names in that (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 12:03:31 PM EST
    article:  Mark Grant, Bruce Bochy,Tim Flannery et al.

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    Jeez... those 80's uniforms. (none / 0) (#25)
    by desertswine on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 02:00:45 PM EST
    Here's a fascinating picture... (none / 0) (#2)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:10:18 PM EST
    The earth and the moon.. as seen from Mars.

    Cool....luv it (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:30:47 PM EST
    Do you know what a smoosh is?  Cuz I don't

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    Urban Dictionary says... (none / 0) (#4)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:54:49 PM EST
    its to have sex.

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    I had to look it up... (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:55:56 PM EST
    I'm so out of it.

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    Smooshing is that? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 11:19:20 PM EST
    And there is a communal smooshing room on reality TV?  It sounds so undesireable to me all the way around.  I'm going to have to stick with sex and intimacy and my private bedroom or I just can't do this :)

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    it was undesirable (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 11:41:06 PM EST
    which is why Snooki and JWOW had to cover themselves in plastic bags to disinfect and clean it. They even put plastic bags over their shoes. And when they were done, it was spotless. Snooki even turned it into a girly-room since she was having a date that night.

    Without the smoosh room, they have to use the bedroom they share with their roomates. Snooki was with this guy she picked up in a bar the night before and her moaning kept JWOW up so Snooki had to find another room for the next night because JWOW put her foot down. Snooki insisted she and her date didn't "do it" because it was the first date and she doesn't do that until the second date. But what was really funny was in between her moaning she kept asking the guy questions, like "Where did you grow up?" and "Do you have kids?" She's such a character.

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    that's why I recommended the review (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 11:34:40 PM EST
    it explains a lot. Plus their unintentional misuse of the English language is funny. While I've never seen more out-of-touch people, their occasional moments of clarity are startling. And despite their best efforts, there's also the occasional display of humanity. It is a bit like learning a foreign language, but a lot of young people understand it, and it's very popular.

    Snooki is the best of the group in that she's an original, while the others are kind of a dime a dozen. When she called out Obama on the tanning tax and the White House took notice, it just shows you can't totally dismiss them. They have millions of followers. They vote and sit on juries. Better to try and understand them than ignore them.

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    Scary thought, eh. So glad I don't (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 12:07:26 AM EST
    need this info for voir dire anymore!

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    You are right Jeralyn (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 08:41:27 AM EST
    It is important to make efforts to understand social trends.  And I think each generation has its own vocabulary.  I did read some of the review, and old Fossil watches are somehow very important along with getting laid.  If I had known this a few years back I wouldn't have snuck that train themed Fossil watch of my husbands into the trash when he wasn't looking......ewwww, I don't even want to think about how much smoosh I could get for a train theme Fossil watch.  I demand a different word for sex than smoosh though.  I think I need to write to Snooki, because she can as you say be original so she can set a new trend, and ask for a new word.

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    hey (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 09:07:27 AM EST
    sent to him?  right?
    no surprise?

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    Go ahead and send it to him (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 06:59:46 PM EST
    at the address I gave you.  I haven't said a word to him about it coming....nothing.  He knows that I know someone who is involved in the creation of Red Faction, but I haven't said anything to him about a poster.  He is thrilled whenever he gets his own mail though.  He makes honor roll and the mayor of Enterprise sends him a letter whenever he does and he loves that.  He will completely flip out.  Expect instant email back after he gets home from school.  He is going to be on cloud nine thousand.  I owe you sooooo huge.  Things like this help Josh in his lifestory, measuring wins against trials....this goes in the faith pile and life is cool and is a winner.  Thank you Captain Howdy.  Thanks thanks thanks...sending you an email too.  If you emailed earlier I'm sorry, I'm horrible about checking email regularly unless I have something specific email going on.

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    awsum (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Sep 12, 2010 at 08:15:58 AM EST
    great to be able to do something that will do that much with so little real effort.

    its still circulating.  hopefully mailed by the weekend.

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    Guido culture... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 09:24:16 AM EST
    it's a trip...a very strange trip. Nothing new for NY/NJ people...we had a "Jersey Shore"-esque guido posse in my neighborhood, and at high school...industrial strength hair products, fake tans, poor taste in music, steroids...the whole nine. Not my scene, but everybody needs a scene:)

    It's fascinating how many sub-cultures exist in this country & the world...the human need to identify with others and clan up and look/act/sound alike...we're pack animals, no doubt about it.

    This week's Village Voice gives us a look at juggalo culture...another fascinating culture of misfits we've got going on. I dig the anarchic outlaw qualities of their yearly gathering...might have to check this party out one day.  I gots to respect any culture that has a free and open illegal drug market at their digs, and the local law is too scared to even attempt to shut it down.  That's bad ass.  

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    I have spent the whole day with my dogs kdog (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 07:04:39 PM EST
    and I come in to cook dinner, check the news, and I find this from you.  Not kidding....my husband and I were outside just now talking about how we are all packs of animals.  It is so obvious when we are working with our dogs, the pack concept and how even between species when you have five working breed dogs and three human beings in the same house....we are a pack and we all pay a certain homage to the pack and pack authority.

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    Yup, keeping up with (none / 0) (#19)
    by DogShark on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 09:31:21 AM EST
    social trends makes me feel like I am still remotely in-the-loop of 20-somethings. I will have to check out Jersey Shore. I see that they have some episodes online, which is where I watch 90% of my TV now because I can't take the constant commercials on regular TV. I stumbled onto a cartoon TV series on Netflix called Archer and thought it was hilarious, crazy raunchy and original. I had no idea where it came from, so I went online and found out it was on the FX cable channel and had big ratings with 18-34 year olds. Being over 50, I felt encouraged by that. It is important to keep up with the vocabulary, if nothing else, of the under-30 demographic.  

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    Balance (none / 0) (#11)
    by lentinel on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 04:54:47 AM EST
    I think it is worth mentioning that the attacks of 9/11 did not happen in a vacuum.

    The US foreign policy had been hurtful to nations whose primary religion is Islam for decades.

    Does no one remember what the Iranian revolution was about? We supported the Shah because we were afraid of Russia. We didn't give a damn what he did to his people.

    As I recall, we had a pretty cozy thing going with Saddam when it suited our interests.

    Then there is the continuing problem of Israel and the Palestinians. People who are made to give up their lands are bound to be hurt and resentful.

    I think that we should acknowledge the extent to which our foreign policy contributed to, and continues to contribute to the animosity felt by people who are Muslims toward the nation whose leaders, avowed Christians, have done so much to make their lives miserable.

    In case you missed it. (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 09:37:45 AM EST
    I think it is worthwhile mentioning that, whether you remember it or not, we were in a very real, very nasty "Cold War" with the Soviets. And that the friends and shipmates of mine who died were just as dead as their uncles and fathers who died in WWII and Korea.

    And while the Shah was a dictator and had his secret police, his radical Muslim replacements are dictators and have their religious police.
    Do you actually believe that more people were tortured/killed under the Shah than under the religious fanatics that replaced him?

    And do you understand that, at least, under the Shah we had some influence and were pushing his government towards democracy?

    Do you remember it was Carter whose failure to support the Shah created modern day radical Muslims and their terrorism supporting states?

    Do you understand that we used Iraq to keep Iran from taking control of the oil in the Iraq and then the SA peninsula?

    Would you have preferred we let Iran have control of what was then a huge percentage of the world's oil supplies?

    Or would you have preferred we used our military, and perhaps nuclear weapons, to stop the Iranians?

    Maybe we should not have given the Taliban weapons to defend themselves against the Soviets and bleed the Evil Empire a bit. But I seem to remember we were weak and actually had "trip wire" divisions in Europe that were expected to fight and die when the Soviet's attacked while we brought up reinforcements.

    Do you remember that it was our refusal to go along with the English that allowed Egypt to survive as an independent country? How, much did Kosovo cost us and how many Muslim lives were saved? Do you know we were in Lebanon on a peace keeping mission?

    And have you forgotten that Israel was attacked by its Muslim neighbors within hours of its independence? Are you aware that none of the Muslim neighbors have ever been willing to accept immigrants? And that Israel has never been the first to innate hostilities?

    Have you forgotten the agreements, sponsored by Clinton, that gave the PLO 90% of what they wanted....and were then rejected by the PLO?

    Have you read that it was Saddam who claimed the right to invade Kuwait and threaten Saudi Arabia over his desire to have more oil and more control over the west? And that after agreeing to the terms of his defeat how he kept violating them? How he corrupted the "oil for peace" UN officials and starved his nation's children? How he violated the weapons agreements, rattled his swords and, we now know, planned to get back into the WMD business as soon as possible?

    Did we cause Munich? The Rome Airport? The highjacked TWA flight? The 'Achille Lauro'? WTC in '93? USS Cole? The attempt at blowing up LAX? The German nightclub? Pan Am 103? Were we right to not respond vigorously to these attacks? Or wrong to encourage more by our lack of action?

    Monday morning quarterbacking is fine but it is always helpful to remember that the QB's choices were limited and that maybe throwing a 60 yard interception was better than taking a sack on his own 20 yard line.  At least in the first case the defense had a chance to make a play or two.

    Now we have benched the football players in favor of letting the cheerleaders meet with the other side and apologize.

    Based on Ft Hood, the underwear bomber and the Times Square attempt I would say that is not working out very well.

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    You forget 1953 (none / 0) (#21)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 11:06:37 AM EST
    But the Iranians haven't.  That is when the U.S. toppled the Iranian democracy and installed the Shah.

    Blowback is a b*tch.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 12, 2010 at 08:19:25 AM EST
    You didn't read the second paragraph.

    Jimmy "The Sweater" Carter birthed the radicals with his moral equivalency foreign policy.

    They've grown up top be bog problem.

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    top be bog problem.. (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 12, 2010 at 03:09:21 PM EST
    Tea Bagese..or Teabonics, if you prefer..

    It mean Iran mean to U.S.

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    semantics? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 09:13:48 AM EST
    I dont know.  its to early.  but this made my brain hurt.

    The Genteel Nation
    by Bobo Brooks


    huskys (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 09:31:15 AM EST
    well jeralyn, (none / 0) (#28)
    by cpinva on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 08:03:02 PM EST
    if, by "character" you actually meant caricature, then yes, i suppose you're correct. if the producers wanted to be honest with the viewers, they'd rename the show "jersey shore trailer park trash".

    thread cleaned and closed (none / 0) (#59)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:00:35 AM EST
    Jim and Jondee, you will both be banned if you keep attacking each other.