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No GOP Pledge To Filibuster Obama Middle Class Tax Cuts

TPM:

An Associated Press story made waves this morning, by claiming that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell had received a pledge from every member of his caucus to block tax legislation unless it extends all of the Bush tax cuts, even for the richest Americans. This morning spokesman Don Stewart told TPM that article is incorrect. "They're correcting this story," Stewart says. "I only said what I've been saying for months: there are no Republicans who support tax hikes[.]"

In response to the original report, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pounced [--] "It is unconscionable for Senate Republicans to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage in order to secure more tax giveaways for millionaires and CEOs who ship American jobs overseas," he said in a statement. "Today's declaration by Senate Republicans means they are willing to raise taxes on the middle class and small businesses in the middle of a recession...by this Republican logic, until rich CEOs get what they want, middle-class families can't get what they need."

(Emphasis supplied.) The GOP will cave on this if Dems stand their ground. Harry Reid's statement tells you where this is heading, Joe Lieberman notwithstanding.

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    See, small words with few syllables are best. (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by steviez314 on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:27:24 PM EST
    "Hold hostage" is the Democrats' "death panels".

    And they should be running ads in every swing district, with middle class voters saying "don't hold my tax cut hostage".

    confused (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:29:08 PM EST
    wasnt the minority leader out on the sunday shows supporting the middle class tax cuts?

    I thought I saw that someplace on the tubes.


    oh yeah (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:30:44 PM EST
    I see you had a post about that.


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    I think Boner... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:00:53 PM EST
    was just desperate to change the subject away from his smoking.

    Why does the media only play hardball over nonsense?

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    Hmmmm (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:11:37 PM EST
    I wonder if he thinks the cigarette hanging from his lips is like having a second boner....

    That is assuming that he can get the model he was born with to stand up to his good name...

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    PC Liberal Anti-Smoking Media... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:22:25 PM EST
    better watch cuz there are still quite a few left-leaners who enjoy tobacco or don't mind tobacco...probably a bad idea to remind us of one of the few issues where Team R is worlds better than Team D.

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    OK (none / 0) (#24)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:25:59 PM EST
    just riffing on your misspelling of Bohner's name, and the fact that cigarettes have been marketed as macho (dick) enhancers, in the movies, and ads by corporate ad men as long as I have been alive...

    But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... I am sure that is the case regarding your addition to the sticks..

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    Exactly... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:31:52 PM EST
    a smoke is a smoke...it's of no concern to anyone but Boner...I'm asking the media not to make me side with Boner...please!  Stick to the issues, and ask the hard questions on the issues, not f*ckin' smoking for gawd's sake!

    I know this is asking too much.

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    modern media metaphor (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:34:42 PM EST
    ant spiral

    The vortex of ants, called the ant death spiral by some, is a circular mill where a group of ants (sometimes hundreds to millions of ants) get separated from the main swarm and ended up following each other's scent in a circle. It's called the death spiral because they continue to go in circles until they're exhausted and die.


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    lol (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:44:16 PM EST
    Yeah, who wants to side with a dick...

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    house minority leader (none / 0) (#5)
    by CST on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:31:25 PM EST
    this is the senate.

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    sure (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:38:50 PM EST
    but it didnt fit the normal perfect republican unity we have seen lately.

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    do we just assume (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:30:28 PM EST
    at this point that Dems will refuse to ever use reconcilliation?

    It seems to me if there was ever a bill to use it on, this appears relatively clear cut.

    Obviously it might not be necessary - but it's something to consider.

    The bush tax cuts were passed using reconcilliation.

    Can't happen since the house leadership (none / 0) (#6)
    by BTAL on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:36:47 PM EST
    decided to not pass a 2011 budget resolution.  No resolution = no reconciliation authority.  

    An example of ready, fire, aim.

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    If they used reconcilliation (which they can't), (none / 0) (#13)
    by steviez314 on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:58:07 PM EST
    the media narrative would become "Democrats strong-arm through yada yada."

    I like a 60 vote threshold for this one--makes it clear that Repubs are the party of NO, even on tax cuts.

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    The Repubs ain't gonna block (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:18:14 PM EST
    the extension, even if it leaves out the people with money to spend.

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    Extending the Bush tax cuts (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:44:33 PM EST
    is not a Democratic and/or Obama tax cut.

    It is merely the extension of  existing cuts.

    heh (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CST on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:45:39 PM EST
    and if the GOP votes against it?

    What then?

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    They won't. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Buckeye on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 03:41:13 PM EST
    One man's trash is another man's treasure :) (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:46:05 PM EST
    check (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:48:38 PM EST
    your mail

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    Thank you so much (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:18:12 PM EST
    Sent you a rundown of my morning.  This is a win that is good for me right now too.  I need a positive :)

    Parent
    If it takes a new law, which it does (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:27:25 PM EST
    It gets a new name.

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    True. But one must wonder if (none / 0) (#30)
    by coast on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:44:33 PM EST
    the cuts were not already in place, would this Congress even be discussing tax cuts.  My guess would be no.

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    I agree - very opportunistic (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 03:47:49 PM EST
    and I don't think the tax cuts will make much difference in the economy, but they are convenient as a political device.

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    And people aren't dumb (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:38:46 PM EST
    when they see their tax rate/bracket the same as in 2010 they will know the truth.

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    Let's see what the WH offers the Congress before (none / 0) (#40)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:44:49 PM EST
    calling fouls yet.  :-D

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    So you are saying that Obama will (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 06:07:18 PM EST
    reduce the tax rates for everyone but the $250'ers?

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    I would be a fool if I said yes (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 06:19:31 PM EST
    I would be a cynic if I said no.

    To paraphrase a famous American political quotation, "Watch what they do, not what they say."

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    Under the definition re the Bush tax cuts, (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 01:55:01 PM EST
    an individual whose income is under $200,000 is "middle class."  How can that be?  

    The gap is way too wide... (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:07:49 PM EST
    for 3-5 classes...we need something like 12.

    Poor, working poor, working class, lower middle class, middle class, upper middle class, rich, stupid rich, wealthy, stupid wealthy, insanely wealthy, & how the f*ck does one person accumulate so much wealth.

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    I think the real middle class is (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:36:36 PM EST
    shrinking, and the numbers of people descending into poverty are increasing.

    The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama's watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty [...]

    Interviews with six demographers who closely track poverty trends found wide consensus that 2009 figures are likely to show a significant rate increase to the range of 14.7 percent to 15 percent.

    Should those estimates hold true, some 45 million people in this country, or more than 1 in 7, were poor last year. It would be the highest single-year increase since the government began calculating poverty figures in 1959. The previous high was in 1980 when the rate jumped 1.3 percentage points to 13 percent during the energy crisis.

    Among the 18-64 working-age population, the demographers expect a rise beyond 12.4 percent, up from 11.7 percent. That would make it the highest since at least 1965, when another Democratic president, Lyndon B. Johnson, launched the war on poverty that expanded the federal government's role in social welfare programs from education to health care.

    The top 1% of the country means about 3 million people. Fifteen times as many have slipped into poverty. Among children, we're talking about 20% living in poverty. We have another 170,000 families in homeless shelters. Obviously, from those links, it's clear this gets some coverage. But in proportion to the near-daily drumbeat of how the rich will deal with a 4.6% increase in their top marginal tax rate, it's not even close.

    That's a staggering number of people living in poverty; more staggering, perhaps, is the relative indifference on the part of those who actually have the power to effect positive changes in people's lives.  "A rising tide lifts all boats" was the expression used by the Clinton administration; that seems to have morphed into "a rising tide of economic hardship drowns those who can't afford a boat - and I'm not sharing."  

    Realize that there has come to be an acceptance of a double-digit unemployment rate as the norm.  Add to it the whining of the rich over the burdens they face over an end to the Bush rate cuts.  The bottom line in this country seems to be, "if you don't have, you don't matter; sit down, shut up, and be grateful for the little we throw you now and again."

    Extending the cuts is better than not extending them, but I don't see an extension as truly helping those who need it, given that so many of them don't even pay income taxes.  It won't create any jobs - even as it sucks up all the attention away from doing something that would - it won't get people spending again; it's politics, optics, bumper stickers.  A way to deny how much real deprivation there is out here - and I don't mean that someone had to cancel the purchase of a bigger private plane, or cut back on trips to Europe, but the kind that means people don't have a secure place to live or enough to eat.  It'll make some people feel better - kind of like the way one feels about giving the homeless guy on the street $5.00 - but that isn't near enough.

    I'd pay more tax if it meant someone who has nothing could have something, but the French Revolution-style mindset seems to be, "I don't care if you have nothing - as long as I have more and more and more."

    That's about as ugly as it gets.

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    The "service sector economy" (none / 0) (#49)
    by Politalkix on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 10:37:35 PM EST
    which the Clinton administration promoted at the expense of the manufacturing sector has created the "2 Americas economy", even if you have not realize it yet. Service sector economies do not leave a middle class. Bankers, lawyers, physicians, businessmen, etc form the upper layer while waitresses, hair dressers, retail store workers form the lower layer. The lower layer for a number of years were falsely led to believe that they had moved into the middle class because (1) they got access to easy loans (which had no real chance of getting repaid) and (2) they could buy cheap products that were made in Asia. However, after the upper layer took everything away (jobs, 401K investments, etc), the lower layer was left with nothing but debt.
    GWB hastened the inevitable through his wars and tax cuts for the rich. However, the rot had been accumulating for 25-30 years (yes, even during the Clinton administration).
       

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    $200,000 is not what it use to be. (2.00 / 1) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:08:09 PM EST
    yea (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CST on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:22:12 PM EST
    since we are possibly heading for deflation, and so many people are out of work, or taking pay cuts, and cutting back on their spending.

    $200,000 is more than it use to be.

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    True but I don't find the deflation (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:41:32 PM EST
    at the gas pump or in Walmart...

    Should I move up to Kroger's??

    Besides, the only way we can get rid of the huge debt that has been run up is through inflation.

    Stand by with your pick up to go to the bank with.

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    Wahhhh! Wahhhh! (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 03:33:08 PM EST
    As Wally Joyner stated when asked (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:15:31 PM EST
    about Padres' offer, my family can live comfortably on X million dollars a year.

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    Ya gotta admit #2 (none / 0) (#23)
    by christinep on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 02:23:52 PM EST
    So, now the spokesperson is squirming. In "Ya gotta admit #1" in earlier thread, I indicated bemusement at the prospect of watch the Republican Senators filibuster for the privileged rich. With the note above walking away from an immediate, open filibuster threat by the R spokesman, I'm getting giddy.
    A sign of the WH's determination would become apparent with the speed (or not) of introducing and moving the extension legislation for the middle class. A good sign is the way Reid reacted with his quick--on message--retort to the first hints of filibuster. Any word on when this will be introduced in the House?

    Dems standing their ground (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 03:38:34 PM EST
    I cannot see them caving at this point, thankfully, but I hope they learn from this that standing one's ground not only let's people see what you stand for -- and that you will, actually, stand up for it when it matters -- but that it is the best way to enable Republicans to dig their own graves.  When your opponent has nothing, standing your ground forces them to show either that they indeed have nothing, or it requires them, and they are very bad at this, to be creative.

    The value of principles extends far beyond your own image.

    Natural cynic... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:59:46 PM EST
    that I am, I am always left to wonder if the caving is an intentional cave...the illusion of fighting the good fight and coming up short, when that's the plan all along.

    This Bush tax cut extension stuff will be a good litmus.

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    Trojan Horse (none / 0) (#35)
    by diogenes on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:12:29 PM EST
    No one is holding any bill hostage.  The GOP will simply vote no without a filibuster.  So the Dems get credit for raising taxes on those who make over 250,000 despite Republican opposition.  If the economy continues to struggle with a jobless recovery in 2011, the Republican mantra will be to blame the "tax increase during an economic downturn".

    Fortunately there is already data (none / 0) (#36)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:23:28 PM EST
    to belay that claim if they do raise it in 2012:

    "I would tend to wonder how much the tax cut actually influences spending behavior," said Chris Cornell, an economist who mined government reports back to 1989 for West Chester, Pennsylvania-based Moody's Analytics. "Spending by the top 5 percent of households seems much more closely tied to business- cycle issues than it does to tax-cut issues."

    The Moody's research covering couples earning more than $210,000 found that spending by the wealthy is more likely to be influenced by the ups and downs of the stock market than changes in income-tax rates.

    Stock-market performance is the "primary factor that is driving the savings of the top 5 percent of households," said Mustafa Akcay, economist and co-researcher of the savings data.

    Click Me

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    Maybe, maybe not. (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:44:32 PM EST
    If true then the tax increases should reduce disposable income which is used for investments which portends a down market which further depresses capital investment.

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    Execept the data reads the other way around (none / 0) (#41)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 04:58:20 PM EST

    Federal Reserve Data

    The Moody's economists examined saving rates by income groups back to 1989. Their study uses statistics from the Federal Reserve's quarterly Flow of Funds report, which gauges the net worth of households, and the Fed's triennial Survey of Consumer Finances, a measure of balance sheets, pensions and incomes of U.S. families.

    When tax legislation was signed by Clinton in 1993 -- raising the top tax rate to 39.6 percent from 31 percent -- the saving rate fell from 12.1 percent in the second quarter to 9.5 percent in the first quarter of 1994. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index rose 1.9 percent from July through September, after little change the previous three months.

    When the first Bush tax cuts were signed into law in June 2001, pushing the top rate down to 35 percent, the wealthy boosted savings. The saving rate climbed to 2.8 percent in the first quarter of 2002 from minus 2 percent in the second quarter of 2001. The increased savings coincided with a 1.1 percent decline in the S&P 500 index.

    Second Round

    After the second round of Bush tax cuts in May 2003, the rich also increased their saving, with the rate climbing to 7.6 percent in the first quarter of 2004 from 2.2 percent in the second quarter of 2003, the Moody's data show.

    This is from the same source, JSYK.

    The disposable(or discretionary) would go up as less money is put into savings, so I think you have it bass-ackwards.

    The data does show that the money would go into safe, passive income accounts rather than investments that would fuel job creation and growth, so unless you're looking out for the financial markets sector of the country, there is really no reason to extend the tax cuts above 250K income at this time.

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    And that money saved/invested (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 06:03:49 PM EST
    is what creates jobs.

    I have done a few start ups and have done the power point trick begging for money.

    I never got a dime off poor folks.

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    Who reads data? (none / 0) (#47)
    by diogenes on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 10:21:30 PM EST
    "Tax hikes kill jobs" is an effective sound bite for those who don't read economics texts, especially since the newspapers have spent decades being Keynesian about how tax cuts in general help stimulate the economy in a recession.

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    Yes, let's ignore the data` (none / 0) (#51)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 10:57:49 PM EST
    when formulating public policy and go for sound bites, that's the mature political approach.

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    Facts assumed not in evidence (none / 0) (#46)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 06:41:00 PM EST
    And that money saved/invested
    is what creates jobs.

    Um, there's a difference between savings and investment, conflating the two doesn't add clarity.  

    I'm not an expert in economics besides "Buy cheap and sell dear" but this seems to cover the difference between savings and investment:

    Initially, because of fear of capital losses on assets besides money, Keynes suggested that there may be a "liquidity trap" setting a floor under which interest rates cannot fall. While in this trap, interest rates are so low that any increase in money supply will cause bond-holders (fearing rises in interest rates and hence capital losses on their bonds) to sell their bonds to attain money (liquidity). In the diagram, the equilibrium suggested by the new I line and the old S line cannot be reached, so that excess saving persists. Some (such as Paul Krugman) see this latter kind of liquidity trap as prevailing in Japan in the 1990s. Most economists agree that nominal interest rates cannot fall below zero, however, some economists (particularly those from the Chicago school) reject the existence of a liquidity trap.

    Even if the liquidity trap does not exist, there is a fourth (perhaps most important) element to Keynes's critique. Saving involves not spending all of one's income. It thus means insufficient demand for business output, unless it is balanced by other sources of demand, such as fixed investment. Thus, excessive saving corresponds to an unwanted accumulation of inventories, or what classical economists called a general glut.[12] This pile-up of unsold goods and materials encourages businesses to decrease both production and employment. This in turn lowers people's incomes--and saving, causing a leftward shift in the S line in the diagram (step B). For Keynes, the fall in income did most of the job by ending excessive saving and allowing the loanable funds market to attain equilibrium. Instead of interest-rate adjustment solving the problem, a recession does so. Thus in the diagram, the interest-rate change is small.

    Whereas the classical economists assumed that the level of output and income was constant and given at any one time (except for short-lived deviations), Keynes saw this as the key variable that adjusted to equate saving and investment.

    Finally, a recession undermines the business incentive to engage in fixed investment. With falling incomes and demand for products, the desired demand for factories and equipment (not to mention housing) will fall. This accelerator effect would shift the I line to the left again, a change not shown in the diagram above. This recreates the problem of excessive saving and encourages the recession to continue.

    In sum, to Keynes there is interaction between excess supplies in different markets, as unemployment in labor markets encourages excessive saving--and vice-versa. Rather than prices adjusting to attain equilibrium, the main story is one of quantity adjustment allowing recessions and possible attainment of underemployment equilibrium.



    Click Me

    I have done a few start ups and have done the power point trick begging for money.

    There is a lot of venture capitalist activity these days, but that money isn't savings, it's investment and the two shouldn't be confused.

    I never got a dime off poor folks.

    No capitalist made money employing rich folks.

    No capitalist made money employing rich folks. (none / 0) (#48)
    by diogenes on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 10:23:50 PM EST
    Actually, at the top end pro sport team owners, investment banks, posh clothing firms, etc pay the top people top dollar and do quite well.

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    You don't get the joke, do you? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Harry Saxon on Mon Sep 13, 2010 at 10:44:14 PM EST