Holloway Unhinged?

By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 10:58:49 AM EST
Tags: Joran Van der Sloot (all tags)

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In the U.S. it would be a crime to enter a prison to visit an inmate under a false name. Apparently, it's not in Peru.

That's what Beth Holloway did , pretending to be a journalist, not using her real name, hoping to sneak in a camera to tape Joran Van der Sloot for yet another hyped TV movie by Dutch tabloid journalist Peter de Vries. The visitor's log does not contain her name. But even her lawyer confirms she entered Castro Castro prison in Peru and got into his cell -- for five minutes.

Good for Joran that he refused to discuss anything with her and handed her his attorney's card. Holloway and De Vries were thrown out when the camera was discovered. The Dutch media initially reported she was detained, but her lawyer says she wasn't and that she broke no laws.

Holloway's attorney says she didn't tell him she was going and is being "guarded" about the meeting. Sounds like she just wanted to threaten him:

"I think it was more to deliver the message that he might be in Peru but she hasn't gone away.

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I assume it was the Dutch media and not Holloway's charitable foundation that paid for her trip. Does she even have a real job?

Sneaking a camera into a jail cell to trick Joran into confessing makes one wonder whether it wasn't her and her investigators who set Joran up for the extortion sting by telling him to contact her lawyer because she'd offer money for details about where Natalie was buried.

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Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by Socraticsilence on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:56:32 PM EST

How do we know "thats what she did" I mean since when do you take the word of a prison on something- it seems as if theres a bit of a double standard at play- the guy confesses supposedly and you caution that it should be taken with a grain of salt and then cover the allegations of misconduct by Peruvian authorities yet here you are taking those same authorities at their word about Holloway, I don't get it.

we know because her (none / 0) (#25)
by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 03:53:15 PM EST

lawyer said she met with him at the prison and the prison officials said they have no record of anyone with her name entering the prison.


: The claim is that (none / 0) (#51)
by ding7777 on Sat Sep 18, 2010 at 11:01:48 AM EST

her name (Twitty? Holloway?) is not on the visitor's registry, but since she entered as a part of the Dutch media group perhaps it was not required for her to sign the visitor's registry (as opposed to some other type of registry)

I'm sympathetic of a woman (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by masslib on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:15:35 PM EST

whose child was murdered.

Ms. Holloway must not be particularly (none / 0) (#1)
by oculus on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:15:35 AM EST

afraid Van der Sloot might cause her physical harm. Surprising.

surprising? why? (none / 0) (#40)
by railroaded on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 08:31:58 PM EST

because he has never physically harmed anybody? That's not surprising. Was an honors student, loved and respected in Aruba and the Netherlands. No criminal record.

"Ms. Holloway" and others knew he was not a physical threat to anyone, ever. That's why she has the gall to stalk and attempt to confront him, as she did in Aruba (successfully) and since.

The concerted media attack is based solely on innuendo and accusation.

This female is sociopathic in nature, it's evident in her actions.


: WTG Donald! (none / 0) (#54)
by AlohaMade on Sun Oct 10, 2010 at 09:41:18 PM EST

Beautifuly said, and I agree.

There is Something... (none / 0) (#2)
by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:40:45 AM EST

... seriously wrong with that woman. Her behavior is that of a vengeful person who will do whatever it takes, and IMO she has.

Does anyone think she is still incapable of using deceit and money to get shat she wants ?

And lastly, how is this not illegal ? Can anyone in the world lie to Peruvian authorities to gain access to criminals in hopes of a recoding a confession and/or intimidating a witness ?

I have no idea what transpired, but if their courts are anything like their prisons, it's not hard to think there might be more than a few innocent people locked-up in Peru.

I can't understand a (none / 0) (#5)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:48:56 AM EST

person not letting go and being vengeful at a man who appears to have killed her daughter and then laughed about it..

I mean, who would get angry about that?

Some people. I mean really.


I understand what you are saying (none / 0) (#6)
by nyjets on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:53:34 AM EST

You are right in one sense. She has every reason to be angry.
HOWEVER, she can not do what she is doing. First of all, she is hurting herself. Second,if she continues with her actions, she is messing up the prosecution of the guy. IF she is not careful, her daugher and the woman killed in the hotel room will never get justice.


She's crossing the line (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by Socraticsilence on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:52:26 PM EST

however- if you look at the entrapment thing she was involved in earlier its not that suprising- if anything that would make her angrier- I mean the guy you think killed your daughter is cool with extorting money for the location of her body- seriously, I'm trying to be objective but I have to think that if I were in her shoes I'd be pretty angry as well.


The problem isn't her feelings, it's the fact (none / 0) (#33)
by Harry Saxon on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 05:33:12 PM EST

that the "Vengeful parent brings childs' murderer to justice" works better as a Lifetime movie plot than a real life plan.


Well, we wouldn't want the (none / 0) (#35)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 06:11:09 PM EST

victim's family member to be upset.

I mean, why should she be?


: Frontier justice: (none / 0) (#36)
by oculus on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 06:35:50 PM EST

NYT Not recommended though.

: Read what I wrote not what you pretend I wrote (none / 0) (#37)
by Harry Saxon on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 06:45:27 PM EST

"The Problem isn't her feelings"

Well, we wouldn't want the (none / 0) (#35)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 06:11:09 PM EST
victim's family member to be upset
Please don't try to start a fight with me, unless you have JM's permission to do so. ;-)
Her feelings are natural and appropriate, but justified feelings do not translate into action all of the time.

It's Not That I Don't... (none / 0) (#17)
by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 01:52:37 PM EST

... understand, but wanting to do something and doing it is what separates most of us from the sociopaths & psychopaths. It's not like she went to the local police department, she went to Peru and lied to the authorities for a confession they already have. Seriously, WTF ?

Is a Peruvian prison not enough for her ?

She just made his claim of being set-up, a lot more plausible.


me too. (none / 0) (#19)
by cpinva on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 02:18:28 PM EST

except, of course (as usual), there's a slight problem with your theory jim: so far, there's no actual evidence mr. van der sloot murdered anyone. he certainly hasn't been tried for it.

aside from that minor detail, i can see why ms. holloway might go off the deep end.


Is that true? (none / 0) (#21)
by nyjets on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 02:34:27 PM EST

I believe you would be correct about the Natalie case. There is very little evidence one way or another. However, with respect to the woman in the hotel room, there is evidence that van der sloot may have done it.

Also, innocent until proven guilty is only a legal construct used in the courts and in the eye of the law. A citizen , like Natalie's mother, can believe anything they want to believe. (NOT that I am attempting to justify her behavior. If she has broken the law, I want her prosecuted.)


I Am Pretty Sure... (none / 0) (#22)
by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 02:45:40 PM EST

... in Peru, you are presumed guilty and must prove your innocence. Seriously.


: not so (none / 0) (#23)
by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 03:51:03 PM EST

Peru has the presumption of innocence and requires guilt to be proven. It just doesn't have jury trials.

yeah, funny old thing, (none / 0) (#31)
by cpinva on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 05:15:10 PM EST

that whole "the state has to prove you actually are guilty" issue. it's kind of more than just a legal construct, it's more like the basis of the law. everything more or less flows from that assumption.

again, mr. van der sloot has neither been found guilty (except, i suppose, in the court of public opinion), nor has much damning evidence of his guilt been produced (to the public), other than that he's a class A jerk. last time i checked, that isn't normally an actionable offense, though perhaps it should be.


you misunderstand me (none / 0) (#34)
by nyjets on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 05:38:26 PM EST

State has to prove you are actually guilty does not mean that every citizen has to follow that. A person can be guilt of the crime. But for the state to punish someone, they need to prove you are guilty. A person can beleive, however, in whatever they want to believe. That is what I mean by legal constuct.
There is some evidence that he killed the woman in the hotel. (I agree very little in the case of Natalia.) That is the point I am making.

I am not saying that I disagree with the notion of innocent until proven guilty. I am saying that the notion only applies to the state, not to people.


Agree with you, ... (none / 0) (#49)
by Yman on Sat Sep 18, 2010 at 07:36:48 AM EST

... although it sounds like she has not resorted to extra-legal means.


Gotta love (none / 0) (#12)
by Socraticsilence on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:50:21 PM EST

the Law and Order response to this from some people on here- while they simultaneously excuse someone who on at least as much evidence is guilty of murder.


: I am not excusing her behavior (none / 0) (#15)
by nyjets on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:54:25 PM EST

If she is fact has broken a law, I would want her proscuted. I just feel sorry for the woman and hope for her sake she can find some peace or closure. That is all.

Too right............ (none / 0) (#41)
by railroaded on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 08:43:51 PM EST

"There is Something seriously wrong with that woman. Her behavior is that of a vengeful person who will do whatever it takes, and IMO she has."

Here is what is wrong with her;

FOX NEWS WEDNESDAY November 19, 2008

BETH TWITTY:"Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

That, from beth in November 2008. That one statement reeks of vengeful conspiracy to me. As we all know, Joran is in precicely the
predicament beth wanted.

Go figure. Coincidence? Nah!


: What is THAT ... (none / 0) (#43)
by Yman on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 10:31:09 PM EST

That one statement reeks of vengeful conspiracy to me. As we all know, Joran is in precicely the
predicament beth wanted.
Go figure. Coincidence? Nah!
... supposed to mean?

There is something wrong with her... (none / 0) (#53)
by BigElephant on Sat Sep 18, 2010 at 04:42:50 PM EST

that this boy is not already dead. I'm all for due process in the courts, but the streets are a different matter.

Of course, after the deed was done, I'd have Jeralyn on retainer.


Does he really not know what Beth Holloway (none / 0) (#3)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:41:16 AM EST

looks like such that she could trick him like that?

they forced him to meet with her (none / 0) (#24)
by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 03:52:00 PM EST

He told them he didn't want to, according to his lawyer and they all but forcefully dragged him.


: That explains it. Thank you. (none / 0) (#27)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 03:57:53 PM EST

: Was the false name Twitty? (none / 0) (#48)
by ding7777 on Sat Sep 18, 2010 at 05:55:20 AM EST

I feel sorry for the woman (none / 0) (#4)
by nyjets on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 11:42:06 AM EST

I do feel sorry for the woman. She lost her daughter and the person resonsible MIGHT be Joran Van der Sloot. That being said, for her own sake, she needs to let go. Wanting to know what happened to her daugher is one thing. But tricks like this only makes it worse. I hope for her sake she can find some closure.

: I think she would have a chance to find (none / 0) (#8)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:10:32 PM EST

Whatever measure of peace is possible for a parent who has lost a child if the media had left her alone. the fact that the press is still complicit in these shenanigans is disgraceful.

I would be wary of (none / 0) (#7)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:06:35 PM EST

trusting the prison's word about what names did or did not appear on the visitor list.

I certainly agree this was a pretty stupid stunt with no real purpose, but we might wait for something more than the prison's word before condemning her for sneaking in under a false name.

If I were Van der Sloot, I would be (none / 0) (#9)
by oculus on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:21:10 PM EST

worried someone with violence in mine might get into my cell. Gambling creditor. Hit man hired by father of alleged Peruvian victim?


Exactly. He should not be agreeing (none / 0) (#10)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:30:31 PM EST

toilet anyone in his cell. That's just nuts.


: Omg. To let. (none / 0) (#11)
by ruffian on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:30:51 PM EST

: The guys not exactly balanced himself (none / 0) (#14)
by Socraticsilence on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 12:54:08 PM EST

he seems to like the media attention so its understandable that he'd be down with interviews. (and if he's innocent its always good to get the word out).

If You Believe That... (none / 0) (#18)
by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 02:00:16 PM EST

... then you have to believe that the same system, the justice system in Peru is just as unbelievable, which seems a little much.

If they are liars, then it's all a sham, including the incarceration.


: Sure, because unlike (none / 0) (#45)
by gyrfalcon on Sat Sep 18, 2010 at 12:17:14 AM EST

civilized countries, everybody in Peru is in lockstep and equally either trustworthy or untrustworthy, no matter what their role.
It's not an ant colony, you know.

Local man never recovered from (none / 0) (#20)
by oculus on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 02:24:20 PM EST

murder of his college age daughter. He died at the scene of her death, where he was tending the grove of oak trees he had planted in her memory. Very, very sad.

and off topic (none / 0) (#26)
by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 03:53:41 PM EST

: Segue was Ms. Holloway's actions (none / 0) (#28)
by oculus on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 04:19:16 PM EST

following the death of her daughter.

perhaps so. (none / 0) (#32)
by cpinva on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 05:18:48 PM EST

however, i think significant blame rests with the dutch media as well, who seem to have learned some unfortunate lessons from our own tabloid media. they're milking it for all they can.

Stalker Beth...... (none / 0) (#39)
by railroaded on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 07:24:30 PM EST

"* Glibness and Superficial Charm
* Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
* Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
* Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.........."

: no name calling please (none / 0) (#42)
by Jeralyn on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 10:24:13 PM EST

and please put your urls in html format as they skew the site and I can only delete, not edit, comments. Thank you.

: railroaded is now banned (none / 0) (#52)
by Jeralyn on Sat Sep 18, 2010 at 03:55:22 PM EST

from this site