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I'm on the road and swamped. I will be posting my college picks tomorrow morning. Other than that, not sure when I'll be posting. J seems pretty swamped too with some computer problems to boot.

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    Colbert testimony... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:43:26 AM EST
    bits and pieces comin' out, here's a few zingers...sounds like he did us proud.

    "This is America," Colbert continued. "I don't want a tomato picked by a Mexican. I want it picked by an American, then sliced by a Guatemalan and served by a Venezuelan in a spa where a Chilean gives me a Brazilian."

    (Lamar)Smith asked if working in the apple orchard was hard work. "It is harder work than this," Colbert shot back, referring to his appearance before Congress.

    You tell 'em Stephen!

    Classic (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:53:19 AM EST
    I still think his performance at the DC correspondent's dinner a few years ago would've made Mark Twain feel inferior.

    I much prefer Colbert to Jon Stewart, mostly because Colbert NEVER leaves his comic, satirical character. Stewart, on the other hand, while I agree with most of his politics, never stays as focused.

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    A GOP'er actually thanked him... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:56:41 AM EST
    when he said (paraphrasing)..."I support all GOP positions without question".

    I too am amazed at his ability to keep a straight face the entire time...he has a gift.

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    Much love to Colbert for having Arturo Rodriguez (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ellie on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:14:16 PM EST
    ... of the United Farm Workers of America on the show wayyy ahead of the curve on the issue.

    No matter how popular the show becomes, Colbearrr's still kicking @ss and taking names while Jon Stewart, more often than not, is about kissing @ss and dropping names. I've lost a lot of interest in TDS, which used to be a daily fix.

    Mostly I don't like that the TDS correspondents are appearing less frequently and/or in bunches so as not to distract the focus away from Stewart. No mystery there as he's the star and has earned it; I prefer him as the razor sharp straight up news guy.

    I also find that his mugging to the audience suffocates all the oxygen out of some really sharp satire. Also, since when did having John Oliver call Stewart a "Dirty Jew" for the umpteenth time become a license for Stewart to unload on his favorite targets (ie, VaJayJay-Americans -- h/t Bee -- Catholics and Muslims?)

    Offensive, but mostly, what a waste of Oliver!

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    Agree. More and more I watch the first (none / 0) (#44)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:37:52 PM EST
    segment for whatever media or politico send-up Stewart is doing, and that is about it. Most of those are still worth watching. The correspondents are hit and miss these days. Maybe that concept is just a little tired.

    On the other hand I still think even Colbert's little throw-away asides are funny, as well as the silly food-eating. But I might be blinded by true love.

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    I watched. He was quite entertaining. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:42:24 PM EST
    Steve King(Nutbar-IA) tried to start something but was shutdown by Colbert-with a little help from some other Reps.

    He said he was surprised that so much bending-over was required by farm workers-if we can put a man on the Moon, why can't we make everything on Earth waist-high? lol.

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    Another brilliant showing (none / 0) (#91)
    by brodie on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:30:31 PM EST
    by Colbert.  If it takes a satirist to get the MSM to pay attention to farmworker/immigration matters, so be it.

    Some in the MSM were not amused however.

    The humorless Chuck Todd hosting Hardball today, showing a grim face, thought it brought disrespect to Congress and wondered why members didn't walk out when Colbert asked to put the video of his recent colonoscopy into the Cong Rec.  He says Blue staters will not be amused when all this backfires on them and Colbert.  His two guests -- some political reporter crank from the Las Vegas Sun and an in-house GE political analyst -- agreed.  

    David Corn of MoJo said Colbert was making a "mockery" of the process!

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    Lol. Ever happier about my NBC news boycott (none / 0) (#105)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:10:44 PM EST
    From the LAT (none / 0) (#117)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:26:21 PM EST

    The EBay founder who hired Meg Whitman  as his company's chief operating officer, giving her a platform on which to run for governor, said Tuesday that he would not endorse her because of Whitman's opposition to same-sex marriage and her alliance with former Gov. Pete Wilson.

    This is the same Pete Wilson who was in favor of Prop 187, which didn't hurt his reelection, but has tarred the Republican brand in CA as being anti-Latino.

    Click Me

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    Maybe he just likes the coffee (none / 0) (#139)
    by Harry Saxon on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 10:15:21 AM EST
    and unlike the two places you mentioned(my mother said there are no young people in Laughlin, NV years ago, "even the waitresses are old") there is a beachfront to walk on and enjoy the cool of the ocean breeze........

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    69 House members (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by andgarden on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:58:53 PM EST
    ask the President not to appeal the DADT ruling.

    /Files letter away for future fundraising reference.

    Did you hear about (none / 0) (#126)
    by Cream City on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:58:23 PM EST
    the ruling in Washington State today in favor of the woman officer (Air Force, I think -- I heard this on NPR) forced out for telling?  If it goes forward (endless appeals no doubt in sight), per the report, she would be the first openly gay/lesbian member of the armed forces. . . .

    I can't find a link to the story, but the report just made me want to cheer.  At least until it's appealed, reversed, etc., I suppose.  But for now, huzzah, yer honor!

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    Here is a link to (none / 0) (#138)
    by caseyOR on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 02:18:28 AM EST
    the story you are talking about, CC. The plaintiff is a nurse who reached the rank of major before being forced out under DADT. Ball is back in Obama's court.

    Read it here.

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    "HOPE" artist loses hope for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by magster on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:43:20 PM EST
    The tax cut vote (none / 0) (#1)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:34:16 AM EST
    is not looking good (TPM)...and James Clyburn thinks we are idiots?  Thaaaaaanks...

    What a cluster (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:40:39 AM EST
    No one could have predicted it would be so hard to pass a tax cut for the middle class right before an election.

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    It's worse than that... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:49:34 AM EST
    there is and never was a cut, it's a mere extenion of an old cut that had an expiration date we are talking about here.  

    In laymens terms they are raising taxes before an election when many working people don't have two nickels to rub together after the bills are paid, if they can even keep up with the bills.  I don't know what they're thinking, right policy or wrong it's political suicide...unless they think they can blame it all on the minority party...don't see how.

    Doing it in late November does 'em no good at the ballot box.

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    Senator Feinstein sd. it's better (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:10:46 AM EST
    to wait.  Surprising. She isn't on the ballot this year.

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    Of course it's better to wait, (none / 0) (#74)
    by BrassTacks on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:07:24 PM EST
    If you're a big coward and don't want to be on the record doing the right thing.  

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    That is O.K. because I (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:52:32 AM EST
    think Clyburn is an idiot. On SS

    When I was a little boy, my dad was 55 years old, I thought he was an old man. Come July 21 if all goes well, I'm going to be 70 years old. I'm not thinking about retiring. And so most 70 year olds I know are not thinking about retiring any more. And so all of that needs to be taken into consideration going forward.

    And while it's great that Clyburn and the people he sees every day as a member of congress feel no desire to retire at a spry age 70, he can't assume that those who spend their lifetimes enduring hard manual labor share those sentiments. FDL



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    Of course, at Sen. Clyburn's age, (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:05:32 AM EST
    he is entitled to collect full Social Security AND his salary w/no penalty.

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    "Representative Clyburn" (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:09:38 AM EST
    Funny how that works (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:34:55 AM EST
    isn't it. If I were in his district, I would be more than happy to help him retire and replace him with someone more in tune with hard working people.

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    I don't get it (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:14:33 AM EST
    Was Clyburn purposely conflating the stimulus bill tax cuts with the Bush tax cuts, or was it just confusion on his part.

    His personal observations about people nearing 70 who want to keep working notwithstanding, maybe he should think about retiring ...

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    Maybe I misread (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:58:01 AM EST
    But I thought he meant that they should take the discussion out of the realm of the Bush tax cuts and extend (and I would hope deepen) the Obama tax cuts for the middle class. Or maybe I give him too much credit.

    Whatever they want to call it, there is no excuse for not doing it. Politcal malpractice.

    And his comments on retirement are simply absurd. Only do-nothing members of Congress want to work till they are 70 and more.

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    I think he was just trying to (none / 0) (#21)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:17:44 PM EST
    change the subject.  I didn't realize the stimulus tax cuts were in danger of expiring, are they?

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    Not sure (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:25:45 PM EST
    I think they were mostly one-shot tax credits.

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    Oh ok (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:59:03 PM EST
    funny commentary on the subject from Jim Newell:

    For only the last nine or ten years, a staple of the Democratic party's national platform has been to repeal (or just let expire!) George W. Bush's massive tax cuts for the two top income brackets, whenever they retook the White House. It's been about as central a tenet to their identity in the past ten years as being pro-choice has. Constant Free Abortions and Ending George W. Bush's Rich People Tax Cuts: The heart of soul of the modern Democratic party.

    But apparently nine or ten years will still not enough time for Democrats to prepare a competent legislative strategy for acting on this very simple and popular proposal.



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    ha! Yup, exactly (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:22:12 PM EST
    Was there even one candidate in the primaries that did not say they were going to let them expire? I remember because I was surprised.

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    Every promise of legislation that (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:44:01 PM EST
    would actually help people was going to be paid for by eliminating the "Bush" tax cuts. Think Kerry alone spent the funds from those tax cuts multiple times.

    Instead sh!tty legislation and tax cuts for the wealth will be paid for by cuts to Medicare, food stamps, most probably SS and other cuts to domestic programs.

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    holy crap MO Blue (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:10:21 PM EST
    in one comment you summed up my disappointment in Democrats entirely.  Maybe I should tattoo that onto my body somewhere.

    I mean I realize the economy is horrible and put a wrench in things but still...it's astonishing to think about how they haven't done sh*t.

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    Ah yes, it's all coming back to me now (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:46:43 PM EST
    Senator Ted Kennedy (none / 0) (#90)
    by christinep on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:27:02 PM EST
    was well past 70 when he retired. A number of the "great ones" were also in that area. OTOH, age of mind seems to afflict lots of the newbie Repubs. Some of the more memorable 19th century types include the current Repub reps Kantor and Ryan and wannab officeholders, the young O'Donnell and Rand Paul. (Scusi...I'm in a joshing mood. I'm also getting older.)

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    I didn't put that well (none / 0) (#106)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:13:25 PM EST
    But I know you get the point!


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    Technical correction Christine (none / 0) (#107)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:18:43 PM EST
    Ted Kennedy did not retire but passed as a sitting Senator.

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    Update (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:46:22 PM EST
    why the Senate didn't want to hold the vote (TPM):

    But here's the kicker. Here's what an aide told Greg ...

    "So why did it fail? According to a very plugged in Senate aide, Senators debating the issue were very aware that the polling was on their side. Yet, paradoxically, this ended up tipping the balance against holding the vote. Senate Dems felt they were alreadly winning on the issue, and in the end they thought a vote risked upsetting a dynamic that was already playing in their favor."

    Now, I'll say this. This is comical on a notional level, if nothing else. Dems: Mid-term lead up going so well. Why rock the boat?!?!



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    Oh of course (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:49:43 PM EST
    People will vote for the Dems because they think they want to keep the tax cuts, even though they don't do it. Well, alrighty then.

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    Yep! (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by lilburro on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:00:25 PM EST
    Can't wait to deliver that message while knocking on doors!

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    Here is the Dem message (none / 0) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:09:29 PM EST
    Sarah Palin, John Boehner, and it is all the liberals fault. Short and easy to remember. If all else fails you go into to the "We may be really bad but they are worse routine."

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    Be sure to blame GOP in Congress (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:20:36 PM EST
    and keep it quiet many Dems in Congress are with the GOP on extending tax cuts to $200,000/$250,000 income earners. Are there really that many wealthy people in Nebraska?  Besides Warren Buffett?

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    Yes. (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:31:08 PM EST
    The funny thing is that a good many of them make that much off of their government provided farm subsidies.  

    Money for nothing and your kicks for free...

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    I have an idea how to cure that problem (none / 0) (#113)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 07:13:45 PM EST
    and make sure that they do not incur a higher tax rate.

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    Pretty sad routine (none / 0) (#110)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:51:28 PM EST
    But all too true.  Unfortunately, "We don't suck as much as the other guys" does not make for an inspirational campaign slogan.  (sigh)

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    Question... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:53:49 AM EST
    Can children as young as 3 be bigots?  The nanny state over in the UK thinks so, and they want names.

    I sh*t you not.

    Word knowledge is all (none / 0) (#35)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:08:48 PM EST
    Absurdity. At three,children can recognize differences, such as darker or lighter,but any racist epithets are parroted words.  Not enouGh socialization to know beyond what they,ve heard.

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    I've said it before Jeff... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:18:13 PM EST
    whenever I get bummed at how we roll I look at not so jolly old England and feel a little better:)

    But lest I appear anti-brit, here's a positive story from across the pond you might get a kick out of...100 year pensioner approaching his 300,000th cigarette...smoke 'em if ya got 'em old timer!  Likes his Macallan too, a glass a day.  Best part, even his doctor says quitting doesn't make any sense at this point.

    "I always say the secret is doing things you're not told to do."


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    Err... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:22:17 PM EST
    100 year old pensioner...though he's well on his way to collecting a pension for 100 years, provided he keeps smoking and drinking!

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    Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
    but mama
    That's where the fun is

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    Still my fav. Bruce album... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:35:20 PM EST
    "Greetings from Asbury Park"...was bugging on "Mary Queen of Arkansas" on my way to work today...what a track.

    Well I'm just a lonely acrobat, the livewire is my trade
    I've been a shine boy for your acid brat and a wharf rat of your state
    Mary, my queen, your blows for freedom are missing
    Oh you're not man enough for me to hate or woman enough for kissing


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    Sprit in the Night (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:45:39 PM EST
    I know that is an obvious favorite, but I love it.

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    There's a reason it's... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:58:57 PM EST
    an obvious favorite...it's f*ckin' awesome!

    "The Flood" gets me everytime too...lyrics painting pictures.

    "Nuns run bald through vatican halls pregnant, pleading immaculate conception."

    Not bad for a debut album eh?

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    Something tells me Bruce (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:01:53 PM EST
    listened to a lot of Blond on Blond and Highway 61 Revisited at one point..

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    Another decent lyricist... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:07:52 PM EST
    out of Dublin once penned..."...every poet is a thief, they kill for inspiration, and sing about their grief."

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    Anything that's fresh (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:13:24 PM EST
    is always a new synthesis of what came before with an added unique mutation..

    Dylan was just channeling Baudelaire through his Woody Guthrie, Son House etc mojo filter..

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    I'm sure he did (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:15:05 PM EST
    I think Dylan has listened to some Bruce too. One of my favorite Traveling Wilbury songs, a funny tribute:

    Tweeter and the Monkey Man were hard up for cash
    They stayed up all night selling cocaine and hash
    To an undercover cop who had a sister named Jan
    For reasons unexplained she loved the Monkey Man
    .
    .
    .
    I guess I'll go to Florida and get myself some sun
    There ain't no more opportunity here, everything's been done
    Sometime I think of Tweeter, sometime I think of Jan
    Sometime I don't think about nothing but the Monkey Man

    Read or listen to the whole song - classic!

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    Good one, Ruff. I like it :) (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:18:54 PM EST
    One of my (none / 0) (#64)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:24:10 PM EST
    'ear worm' songs...now I'll be singing 'sometimes I think of Tweeter, sometimes I think of Jan' for the rest of the day.

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    Along somehat similer lines.. (none / 0) (#66)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:32:29 PM EST
    The other day I heard a Sheryl Croweish-sounding woman singer doing a version of Dylan's Jokerman on the local college station the other day, that just frickin' killed me..

    A lot of times when people do Dylan covers, it just really seems to bring out some extra magic in some musicians.  

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    That would be great! (none / 0) (#67)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:43:54 PM EST
    'Infidels' is a highly underrated album.

    I know what you mean - I love Chrissie Hynde's 'I Shall Be Released' on that 30th Anniversary live album a few years back. Just seems to have found her at the perfect time.


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    Or bring out extra magic... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:45:20 PM EST
    in Dylan's songs...like Hendrix with "All Along the Watchtower" and "Like a Rolling Stone".

    Dylan describing the Hendrix version of "Watchtower"...

    "It overwhelmed me, really. He had such talent, he could find things inside a song and vigorously develop them. He found things that other people wouldn't think of finding in there. He probably improved upon it by the spaces he was using. I took license with the song from his version, actually, and continue to do it to this day."

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    What a loss that was.. (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:00:03 PM EST
    what separated from other musicians who were superficially, technically "like" him, was his fantastic musical imagination. And he played with everybody: from Howlin' Wolf to Miles to Roland Kirk. Noel Redding used to talk about how they'd get to a city and he'd say "lets go get laid" and Hendrix would say "lets go find somebody to jam with".

    He probably barely scratched the surface of what he could've done. But what a light that scratch made..

     

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:12:17 PM EST
    you can find virtuoso guitarists to match the licks, or at least get very close...like Stevie Ray.  

    But the virtuoso imagination and experimentation of a Jimi Hendrix is a true rarity...a track like "1983" is still revolutionary 40 years later.

    There's actually a cool little Hendrix tribute tour making the rounds I'd like to check out....Billy Cox, Susan Tedeschi (love her!), Living Colour, Johnny Lang, Robert Randolph, and many more.

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    I used to play a passable Little Wing (none / 0) (#76)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:15:28 PM EST
    but I had to use my son's 3/4 size Strat to do it...

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    Passable is impressive.... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:21:08 PM EST
    the 3/4 size says it all...part of Jimi's greatness as a player was the freakishly large fingers...he could hit the top string with his pinky as easy as the middle finger.

    And the chewing gum while singing was wild too...dude was from another planet.

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    Passable for me, anyway... (none / 0) (#78)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:25:20 PM EST
    Billy Cox.. (none / 0) (#79)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:28:53 PM EST
    For a while I wondered why Jimi's playing sounded so 'different'
    on some of those Band of Gypsies live recordings, and then the word got out that Jimi had been doing a lot of acid during those shows. Always pushin' that envelope..

    If you've seen A Serious Man, they use The Band of Gypsies Machine Gun to marvelous effect in one segment of the film..

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    As a son of the Heartland... (none / 0) (#85)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:49:46 PM EST
    ...I've always thought the same thing about my homeboy Tommy Bolin.  Too bad he let the drugs get the best of him.  Also too bad that he was gone before I got out to Denver...


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    He was on tour with Jeff Beck (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:03:52 PM EST
    when he died. I remember that. Large amounts of opiates mixed with alcohol is a definite recipe for disaster. A couple of kids around here just died from that.

    Btw, that reminds me, don't mess around with this new pharmie that's making the rounds called Opana, unless you're very, very cautious..

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    Listened to Manfred Man's version (none / 0) (#48)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:47:01 PM EST
    carpooling on the way to my kid's school this AM. Made him and his friends listen. They dug it too.

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    Never dug... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:52:29 PM EST
    the Mann version myself...it comes on and I jones for the real deal.

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    Yeah, that's fair. (none / 0) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:07:20 PM EST
    A pensioner who can afford a glass (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:52:20 PM EST
    of Macallan/day?  Sounds good.

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    Interesting article about home health (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:33:22 AM EST
    care workers in CA, court decision, and union dues.  LAT

    Home of the Free (none / 0) (#12)
    by DFLer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:35:52 AM EST
    FBI raids homes of several Twin Cities war protesters

    The homes of several leaders of the Twin Cities antiwar movement were raided Friday by the FBI in what an agency spokesman described as an "investigation into activities concerning the material support of terrorism."

    Strib link

    Among them were folks who organized the RNC protests.

    Truly frightening... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:59:14 AM EST
    especially after getting the lawyer's take on the warrant.

    Ted Dooley, an attorney, said he had reviewed the search warrant issued in the raid on Kelly's apartment. "It's a probe into the political beliefs of American citizens and to any organization anywhere that opposes the American imperial design," he said.


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    This one's for you Dog (none / 0) (#96)
    by DFLer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:01:48 PM EST
    (I knew you would repsond righteously to the Mpls. raid story)

    Tasers injure state troopers learning how to use them

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    Nuts! (none / 0) (#27)
    by republicratitarian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:39:22 PM EST
    Of course, it's too early to say anything without knowing more.

    At least they didn't label them enemy combatants and send them to Gitmo. :)

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    LAT opinion: don't vote for Prop. 19: (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:44:42 AM EST
    An uninspired opinion... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:54:34 AM EST
    at that...a statewide policy would probably be better, as opposed to county to county...but when they got to the "on the job" garbage, they're really grasping at straws.

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    Gibbs on DOJ's latest defense (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:02:53 PM EST
    of DADT:  pro forma

    Another good judical ruling on DADT (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:44:18 PM EST
    TACOMA, Wash. (AP) -- A federal judge ruled Friday that a decorated flight nurse discharged from the Air Force for being gay should be given her job back as soon as possible in the latest legal setback to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    The decision by U.S. District Judge Ronald Leighton came in a closely watched case as a tense debate has been playing out over the policy. Senate Republicans blocked an effort to lift the ban this week, but Leighton is now the second federal judge this month to deem the policy unconstitutional.
    ...
    Leighton hailed her as a "central figure in a long-term, highly charged civil rights movement." Tears streaked down Witt's cheeks and she hugged her parents, her partner and supporters following the ruling.

    "Today you have won a victory in that struggle, the depth and duration of which will be determined by other judicial officers and hopefully soon the political branches of government," the judge told her, choking up as he recalled Witt's dramatic testimony about her struggles.
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    Fierce Advocate, he. (none / 0) (#99)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:20:17 PM EST
    Of course, it is not a surprise.

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    Per LAT, many, many people (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:22:33 PM EST
    showed up at Beverly Hills courthouse today due to Lindsay Lohan's criminal matter being on calendar.  What's the fascination?

    Let Them Eat Cake? (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:37:57 PM EST
    Must be a class thing.

    I got Pavarotti's autograph, upon the urging of a friend. Didn't make sense to me either..

    lol

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    That is funny. Did you frame it? (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:39:34 PM EST
    Was it at one of his big arena concerts?

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    At The Met (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:47:24 PM EST
    And I only was following orders. I promptly handed over the personalized and signed libretto to my friend who made me do it.

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    Now, thats a biggie (none / 0) (#54)
    by christinep on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:55:52 PM EST
    In the mid-70s, my husband & I & my sister were forunate enough to attend a Pavarotti concert here in Denver as a special treat (celebration for my landing the first big job.) The performance--it goes without saying almost--was wonderful, and I can still see & hear the replay inside the old head. But, to top it off, we went to the dinner afterwards, and my sister & I got a bear-hug and scrawl autograph from L in all his bravado, happy girth.
    Call me star-struck, squeaky, but I've never forgotten that indulgence...and, I've saved the autograph.

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    Yes Star Struck.... (none / 0) (#57)
    by squeaky on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:04:23 PM EST
    But it is nice to have physical traces of memorable events.  For me Pavarotti is not so memorable. I am allergic to Italian opera, in general.

    Mozart on the other hand....  

    And thanks for visual reminder, Pavarotti signed his name big on the page.... big flourish as well...

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    Congressional business? (none / 0) (#24)
    by beefeater on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:28:17 PM EST
    I understand that the democrats were to busy taping a segment of the Colbert Report to attend to any serious issues.

    Did Senior Comedian from Minnesota Al Franken chair the hearing?

    At least Colbert's comedy... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:03:40 PM EST
    is intentional, more than I can say for the majority of congressional humor.

    I expected more of Franken on this front actually..is he even still in the Senate?  Quiet as a churchmouse.

    Conyers, Brand D, chaired the hearing, and asked Colbert to leave, didn't like all the attention I guess.  Colbert and the rep who invited him, Zoe Lofgren, weren't having it.

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    Colbert (none / 0) (#95)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:01:36 PM EST
    was great.
    In character and out of character.
    He managed to convey what migrants are up against.
    I think he is a special person.

    Here is a link:  

    Colbert

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    Colbert was today's "Look over there" (none / 0) (#98)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:10:45 PM EST
    shining object.  Ds needed deflection from:

    • No budget and the CR has even been written with the House and Senate leadership playing a game of "you go first" chicken.

    • The Coates testimony.

    • The folding like a cheap suit on the "Obama Tax Cuts".

    Colbert's appearance will be another ding on the party at the ballot box as evidence of a failure of leadership/governing.  Nobody will remember why he was there by Monday, but they will remember him being there.

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    Oh, please... (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:57:11 PM EST
    Be happy that it also took the spotlight off the increasingly delusional and radical Republicans and their laughable "Pledge to America," which has to be among the most hypocritical screeds I've read in a while.

    Yeah, I know the Dems have their problems - and they're serious ones, which I have no problem acknowledging - but let's not pretend that the Republicans are the sane, serious and credible alternative.

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    Are you all as relieved as I am BTD (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:33:58 PM EST
    will find the time to formulate his college football picks?  

    I think there are people who depend on him (none / 0) (#42)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:26:56 PM EST
    for their pool picks, in that they pick the opposite team!

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    I am waiting w/baited breath. Will BTD (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:48:51 PM EST
    pick Michigan over Bowling Green?

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    How can anyone ever root (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:55:19 PM EST
    against a school named Bowling Green? Any school good enough for Rip Van Winkle and Nate Thurmond is good enough for me..:)

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    I thought Bowling Green... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:27:23 PM EST
    was the name of Walter, Donnie, and The Dude's bowling team.

    "I told that kraut a f*cking thousand times that I don't roll on Shabbos!"

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    " I dont drive a car, I dont answer (none / 0) (#84)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:49:38 PM EST
    the phone and I sure as sh*t don't f*cking roll!
    Shomer Shabbos!
    Shomer. F*cking. Shabbos.."

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    "bated" (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 02:55:48 PM EST
    He sure as heck... (none / 0) (#83)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:45:27 PM EST
    ...put the bad ju ju on my Hawks last week by picking them to win.  

    I'm sure it was on purpose too.

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    Does Sanchez get a free pass on this? (none / 0) (#30)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 12:48:19 PM EST
    "The Vietnamese and the Republicans are, with an intensity, trying to take this seat from which we have done so much for our community -- to take this seat and give it to this Van Tran, who is very anti-immigrant and very anti-Hispanic," Sanchez said in an interview with Univision, according to a translation by The Orange County Register.

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    Yes she does (none / 0) (#102)
    by Wile ECoyote on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:27:20 PM EST
    get a free pass.  

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    Correct me if I'm wrong (none / 0) (#112)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 07:10:24 PM EST
    but it doesn't seem all that long ago when the American right wing seemed to be intent on killing all the Vietnamese..

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    Ok, you are wrong and about two generations (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 07:18:12 PM EST
    out of date with that argument.

    Care to address the Sanchez comments?  

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    Yes they were stupid (none / 0) (#118)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:36:18 PM EST
    next question.

    And tell that two-generations-out-of-date to all those kids over there who were born with birth defects due to the after effects of Agent Orange etc..

    Ah, the United States of Amnesia: God shed his grace on thee..

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    Kudos for acknowledging the stupidity (none / 0) (#119)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:44:41 PM EST
    of her statements.  Bet the number of posts/comments on this topic would be exponential if it had be one of those evil and racist Rs.

    As to the Agent Orange issue, I'd bet again that the R candidate in CA has dealt with that in a much more personal manner than either you or I.  Pure deflection relating to this discussion.

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    been vs be n/t (none / 0) (#120)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:45:23 PM EST
    completed and utterly (none / 0) (#121)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:49:25 PM EST
    related if the topic is "gotcha! look at their hypocrisy", which is what it seems to be..

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    completely.. (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 08:50:06 PM EST
    Not it is not related in any shape or form (none / 0) (#124)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:03:17 PM EST
    It is a simple deflection from the facts of the matter.  Or, are you attempting to argue that Sanchez is somehow justified because of the US Agent Orange "sins".

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    Just pointing out that (none / 0) (#125)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 09:27:02 PM EST
    the American right wing doesn't have much of a track record proving they've ever given a damn about the Vietnamese -- or anyone else God told them to bomb into the stone age..

    As your sardonic "sins" in quotations underscores once again..  

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    John McCain's actions relating to the (none / 0) (#127)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05:31 PM EST
    Vietnamese people and govt proves you wrong.

    As to the "sins" in quotations comment, you've risen to the bait yet again.  

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    McCain: the "RINO"? (none / 0) (#128)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:17:16 PM EST
    the unintentional father of the big tea bagging party going on? You folks on the Right are still claiming him as one of your own? Apparently when it suits your purposes..

    This kind of reminds me of a few weeks ago when you trying to give credit to today's Republican Party for the civil rights advances under Eisenhauer..

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    Wrong again jondee (none / 0) (#129)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:25:22 PM EST
    you must be having a bad night.

    Yes, McCain is a RINO.  However, he walked the walk of both serving, being a POW then moving past the those events.  Setting aside his political issues, I admire anyone who can make those type of life decisions.  Could you?

    As for Eisenhower, you need to go back to HS history class if you want to make that argument.  Hint:  Little Rock HS, for a start.

    Finally, your "tea bagging" terminology is disgusting.

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    you need to go back (none / 0) (#130)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:41:51 PM EST
    and compare the demographics of the composition of the Republican Party in the early fifties with the people who make up most of "the base" today. I'd suggest googling "southern strategy" and going from there. Is this really information you weren't aware of already?

    And then maybe don't try so hard to take credit for the positive work of people who the folks on your side aisle consistently attack and attempt to undermine.  

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    you need to go back to the recent (none / 0) (#131)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 10:50:14 PM EST
    demographics of the Democratic party and it's "base" in regards to race relations.  

    Hint:  George Wallace was never a DixieCrat much less a Republican.

    Hint 2:  History is not on your side.

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    adamantine denial (none / 0) (#132)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:01:23 PM EST
    and false pride in the face of facts can be an ugly thing -- or a strong suit, when everyone on the Right is doing it in concert.

    As Tinkerbell said, all you have to do is BELIEVE in fairies..

     

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    ad hominem - you have just lost the (none / 0) (#134)
    by BTAL on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:28:20 PM EST
    argument.

    Have a good weekend.

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    some might say the ad hominems (none / 0) (#135)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:40:14 PM EST
    started up above with the "having bad night?" "go back to H.S" etc..

    Have a nice night yourself and think about studying up on that "southern strategy" I referred to earlier.  

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    adamantine denial (none / 0) (#133)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 11:01:37 PM EST
    and false pride in the face of facts can be an ugly thing -- or a strong suit, when everyone on the Right is doing it in concert.

    As Tinkerbell said, all you have to do is BELIEVE in fairies..

     

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    The best (none / 0) (#145)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 04:57:39 AM EST
    thing to do is save her quote and drag it up during this election season.  She is obviously bigoted.  The lefty's will back her even knowing she is bigoted against Asians.  

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    20c fascism v Pledge to America (none / 0) (#33)
    by Xclusionary Rule 4ever on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:08:00 PM EST
    Reading a good book on "Blackshirts and Reds" and the comparison between Il Duce's economic agenda and Boehner's is startling.

    Lohan: Can anyone make a rational case... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Yes2Truth on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:08:04 PM EST

    For laws which criminalize the use of ANY drug?

    (i.e., anyone other than Special interests reps)

    I can't... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:24:45 PM EST
    and I haven't heard anyone else make a rational case.  A case, yeah...but only a case void of reason, common sense, tolerance, and respect for inalienable human rights.

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    You'll like this... (none / 0) (#82)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:42:39 PM EST
    Democratic candidate for CO AG sticks up for the little guy who is battling the Feds.

    He had my vote before this, but hopefully this will get him a few more.

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    Zucker quits NBC (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 01:55:17 PM EST
    "Do I wish we'd had more success at NBC Entertainment in recent years? Yes, of course."

    When does that Conan O'Brien show start on Fox?

    Maybe after it's cancelled on TBS? (none / 0) (#80)
    by EL seattle on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 03:38:56 PM EST
    Just sayin'....

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    Oh yeah, TBS. I can't keep up with fact v rumor (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 06:21:32 PM EST
    The ponderous rock star. (none / 0) (#93)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 04:56:28 PM EST
    I just heard excerpts of an interview that Obama did for the BBC.

    He is now incapable of speaking more than four words at a time.
    Usually it is one or two before an "uh" enters to give him time to consider what the next couple of words might be.

    I heard him the other day, (none / 0) (#94)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:00:48 PM EST
    Apparently someone must have told him to stop saying "uh" so much, so now he uses "...and" a lot.

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    Well, (none / 0) (#97)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:05:34 PM EST
    in today's interview he reverted to "uh".

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    He's bilingual, (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 24, 2010 at 05:24:53 PM EST
    fluent in both "um" and "and."

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    I think in Obama's case (none / 0) (#140)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 03:26:27 PM EST
    it's actually a sign that he's searchingly attempting to actually think on his feet, rather than just gush forth a string of warmed-over, committee-vetted platitudes; which is what 90% of the other pols we're exposed to generally serve up. Of course, we've been rather conditioned to prefer style over substance in this country: as evidenced by, among other things, all those who still wax poetic about the days when Ronald Reagan "made Americans feel good about themselves again" etc  

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    I think that (none / 0) (#141)
    by lentinel on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 05:17:07 PM EST
    in Obama's case, he is trying to self-censor before saying anything.
    It doesn't have to do with intelligence.

    It has to do with the fact that he cannot talk anymore without fear;
    He has to measure everything.

    What he says is pure pablum.

    No passion.
    No conviction.
    No originality.
    No heart.

    Just crap.

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    If you're saying Obama's (none / 0) (#142)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 05:58:21 PM EST
    essentially a stupid person, who is devoid of any scruples, I disagree.

    I think that's more some somewhat understandable bitterness talking, than a reliable objective assessment.

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    I didn't (none / 0) (#143)
    by lentinel on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 06:41:04 PM EST
    say that Obama is stupid.

    I'm saying that he is afraid to say what he thinks or feels.

    By now, I'm not even sure that he thinks or feels anything.

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    Yeah, I get it (none / 0) (#144)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 25, 2010 at 07:09:34 PM EST
    in over his head, overstimulated and underinspired, numbed out, ill-advised..

    I still say the problem is essentially systemic and that anyone who threatens to tinker drastically with the beast, with it's built in system of rewards and punishments and it's massive, organismic urge to preserve the status quo is, right from the start, never given a chance of getting near the levers of power. Something of a rigged game, in other words. With some occasional window dressing reforms to keep alive those perpetually tiny glimmers of hope and prearranged mock battles set up between the theocratic barbarians and liberal secularists.

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    Either way. (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by lentinel on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 05:53:52 AM EST
    I really get the impression that Obama was just chosen as a front man, but has no deep convictions about leading the country.

    He probably figured it was a good opportunity when the powers that be told him that they could plant him in the top spot.

    I don't really believe that it is entirely systemic when it comes to his present persona. Bush could say whole sentences. Clinton could say whole sentences. But Obama is measuring every word and comes out with bromides that signify nothing. It is related to his propensity to issue a strong statement one day, and then go the opposite direction on the next day.

    But you know, there are people in this country who believe in things. For example, the reviled Mr. Nader. There used to be people in public life like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X.
    Populists who would go out on a limb. Who would takes risks, personal risks, because they loved the people of the US.

    Obama has become, to me, just a piece of cardboard.
    I don't blame him or even dislike him. I can't stand to listen to him, but I don't dislike him. He is what he is.

    But we should as hell could do better.

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