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    Oculus, (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 08:26:45 PM EST
    Just confirmed the lava-lamp transfer for Sunday, along with Space and Rocket Center's CSI whodunit.

    And accompaniment to at least some of the Stars games if we're still on speaking terms.

    I'll begin cooking the vegetarian (but high cumin) red beans for Red Beans and Rice tomorrow afternoon. 24-30 hours to marry the flavors ought to be enough.

    That's great. I was worried about (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 09:06:53 PM EST
    you projecting all the way into the Padres/Atlanta MLB series, but it looks rosy from here!

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    Heh, I've projected for the next 30 years... (none / 0) (#13)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:27:44 PM EST
    Here's a great song, though, even though there's a damm commercial at the beginning."So Long, Maryanne" by Leonard Cohen.

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    Love that song (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:13:02 AM EST
    Better be sure you really want this lady if you are planning to hit her with the Leonard Cohen collection! You will have her in the palm of your hand.

    Do you have the 'Live in London' CD? the guy that puts that on the stereo will never get rid of me!

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    What are you marrying? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 09:15:44 PM EST
    Josh and I are hanging out at the Gunter Hotel and home tomorrow.  The Harlem Globetrotters were here but we did not run into them, only their bus....almost

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    No Marriage, just date three. (none / 0) (#9)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:15:56 PM EST
    Here's something for Josh,

    "Goodnight Moon," by Margaret Wise Brown. I think it's public domain now.

    In the great green room
    There was a telephone
    And a red balloon
    And a picture of --
    The cow jumping over the moon

    And there were three little bears sitting on chairs

    And two little kittens
    And a pair of mittens

    And a little toyhouse
    And a young mouse

    And a comb and a brush and a bowl full of mush
    And a quiet old lady who was whispering "hush"

    Goodnight room
    Godnight moon
    Goodnight cow jumping over the moon
    Goodnight light
    And the red balloon

    Goodnight bears
    Goodnight chairs

    Goodnight kittens
    And goodnight mittens

    Goodnight clocks
    And goodnight socks

    Goodnight little house
    And goodnight mouse

    Goodnight comb
    And goodnight brush

    Goodnight nobody
    Goodnight mush

    And goodnight to the old lady whispering "hush"

    Goodnight stars
    Goodnight air

    Goodnight noises everywhere


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    I love "Goodnight, Moon." (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:20:17 PM EST
    When my nephews and godchildren were little this was one of their favorites.

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    "Goodnight Moon" (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:29:47 PM EST
    is incredible. Margaret Wise Brown died too young.

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    You are so cool Jeff (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:01:05 AM EST
    I got off last night to be involved in a new video game with him called Alan Wake.  It's interesting after all the bang bang shoot em up games.  I will read this to him tonight though on road making our way home to the state that nurtures the finest college football team.  This was one of his favorite books when he was first learning to read.

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    "bang bang shoot em up" (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:31:39 AM EST
    heh
    I spent the whole day yesterday working on a sequence where the PC (player character) has bang bang shoot em up in a plane, gets thrown out of the plane with his girlfriend without a chute kills several bad guys who also fell out and when plane tries to ram him shoots out the window, falls through the plane killing pretty much everyone, grabs a parachute blows out the back of the plane with the chute kills some more bad guys and then catches up with his girlfriend and opens his chute
    whereupon she says something like 'you really know how to show a girl a good time'.

    we are very grounded in reality here.

    maybe an idea for a novel date jef?


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    Now we're getting somewhere... (none / 0) (#28)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 09:11:50 AM EST
    I'll propose it. Sounds like good wholesome fun to me!

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    Nabakov vindicated (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 09:54:33 PM EST
    from that Communist rag, the NYT:

    Vladimir Nabokov may be known to most people as the author of classic novels like "Lolita" and "Pale Fire." But even as he was writing those books, Nabokov had a parallel existence as a self-taught expert on butterflies.

    He was the curator of lepidoptera at the Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard University, and collected the insects across the United States. He published detailed descriptions of hundreds of species. And in a speculative moment in 1945, he came up with a sweeping hypothesis for the evolution of the butterflies he studied, a group known as the Polyommatus blues. He envisioned them coming to the New World from Asia over millions of years in a series of waves.

    Few professional lepidopterists took these ideas seriously during Nabokov's lifetime. But in the years since his death in 1977, his scientific reputation has grown. And over the past 10 years, a team of scientists has been applying gene-sequencing technology to his hypothesis about how Polyommatus blues evolved. On Tuesday in the Proceedings of the Royal Society of London, they reported that Nabokov was absolutely right.

    Click or Fly Me

    Coincidentally, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by shoephone on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:20:44 PM EST
    I happen to be reading Zadie Smith's new book of essays (Changing My Mind) in which she compares Nabokov's and Barthes' theories about readers and writers. She reprints some Nabokov quotes about how readers need to bring all sorts of experience and knowledge to the reading of a novel, and he uses the analogy that the more one studies the butterfly, the more one knows about it. But no one will ever know everything about the butterfly.

    I guess he always had butterflies on the brain.

    Azar Nafisi's book, Reading Lolita in Tehran, is a must-read for anyone who respects Nabokov's work.

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    I wish I could find the course pack (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:24:45 PM EST
    I bought for a fabulous Russian literature class I took a few years ago. Nabokov wrote some excellent short fiction.

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    Well, now you've done it! (none / 0) (#15)
    by shoephone on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:33:14 PM EST
    I'm an avid reader of short stories -- now I'm going to have to go and find those Nabokov stories you're referring to.

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    His lectures recreated (none / 0) (#16)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 12:04:11 AM EST
    by Christopher Plummer, AFAIK, were on PBS a few years ago and are facinating, especially when he points out that the protagonist in "The Metamorphosis" isn't turned into a gigantic cockroach, and uses the narration of TM to put together a physical description of the insectoid Gregor Samsa.

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    While (none / 0) (#20)
    by lentinel on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:17:35 AM EST
    not an avid reader, I find myself transported by the short stories of Edgar Allan Poe.

    I have also been transported by the Nero Wolfe stories by Rex Stout.

    Reading of the enthusiasm for reading that you and andgarden are expressing is inspiring me to get back into reading and away from some of the mediocre and sometimes dreadful television that I often turn to for escape these days.

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    You should check out (none / 0) (#87)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 12:33:31 PM EST
    my fellow California native, Clark Ashton Smith.

    I recommend his short story, "The Last Incantation":

    Malygris the magician sat in the topmost room of his tower that was builded on a conical hill above the heart of Susran, capital of Poseidonis. Wrought of a dark stone mined from deep in the earth, perdurable and hard as the fabled adamant, this tower loomed above all others, and flung its shadow far on the roofs and domes of the city, even as the sinister power of Malygris had thrown its darkness on the minds of men.

    Click or Eldritch Me

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    Interesting article. Didn't know he was (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 09:57:38 PM EST
    curator.  Did know he was a serious student of butterflies.

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    I read his novel (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 10:32:39 PM EST
    Pnin a few years ago, it's a great comic novel and is apparently based on Nabakovs' academic wanderings before he taught at Cornell.


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    If you can find it, listen to Jeremy (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 10:37:25 PM EST
    Irons reading "Lolita."  

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    I must find this (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:08:38 AM EST
    The thought gives me the chills.  My spouse belongs to an audio book club that he puts on his ipod.  So you read and do audio books as well?  I'm very visual, but like the audios and can stay focused on them while driving.  I can't do it hanging around the house though, when cleaning I seem to turn my ears off.

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    Thought you'd like this take (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:23:02 AM EST
    on the "Tiger Mother" thing, TM, from the Huffington Post:

    I hear all the time from Bengal and Siberian and Indochinese tigers who think they're being strict. A friend of mine made a point of boasting that her cubs hunt four hours a day. "Four hours?" I said. "South Chinese cubs are just breaking a sweat by then."

    How well I remember the night my little Li brought back her first kill. It was still attached to its branch, and it looked like a cross between a bat and a panda, and when Li dropped it at my feet, I was startled to see it had a pulse.

    "What's this?" I asked, doing my best to keep my voice calm.

    "A pygmy slow loris," answered Li.

    "I see. And what exactly are we supposed to do with it?"

    "Eat it?" she ventured.

    "Oh, that's interesting. Eat it. That's very interesting. And maybe tomorrow, you can bring back a stump-tailed macaque. Or a Himalayan field rat. Ooh, I know! A lesser white-toothed shrew. Weeks of eating right there."

    "Mom, it took me two hours just to find him."

    "Two hours," I said. "And how many hours are left until sunrise?"

    Click or Tiger Me

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    CDs--Amazon (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:34:02 AM EST
    Like you, I only really "listen" (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:09:38 AM EST
    listen to audio books in my car.  I get CDs from the library.  But, some books are too dense for audio.  I just listened to Shakespeare's "Macbeth" and "Antony and Cleopatra," and Dante's "Inferno."  All too complex for audio, and the first two I've seen on stage.

    P.S.  "Lolita" was on cassette tape from the library.

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    Great writer (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 10:56:01 PM EST
    and a dead-ringer for Hitchcock.

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    Although (none / 0) (#18)
    by lentinel on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:04:05 AM EST
    I am not enamored of all of his films, Hitchcock is by far my favorite director.

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    saw this yesterday (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:26:20 AM EST
    great story

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    Things are rapidly deteriorating in Egypt (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:36:25 AM EST
    Curfews have been put in place (although thousands are ignoring the curfews).  Police and soldiers are cracking down - including taking visitors cameras (and CNN's and smashing them). Murabak is scheduled to speak soon.

    The Guardian

    Open Revolt in Cairo

    Even though it has been a given (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:52:02 AM EST
    that the region is a powder keg for a long time, it is still surprising to see how fast something like this can happen. Really delicate diplomatic situation when it happens to a government we more or less support.

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    it is rather shocking (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:56:15 AM EST
    I wonder how the Saudi's are feeling right now...

    6 months ago if anyone asked you what country in the middle east was most likely to go into full-scale revolt mode, I doubt anyone on this side of the pond would have picked Egypt.

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    Shocking even more (none / 0) (#64)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:02:35 AM EST
    Who knows who is going to step in and takeover these governments?  We could next see some very radical leaders taking power.....

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    there are some radical leaders (none / 0) (#67)
    by CST on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:11:19 AM EST
    in power now.  Maybe not radical against the U.S., but against their own people.

    Ultimately, it's not our call.  I honestly don't really see Egypt going that route anyway.  But we will see.

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    Well said... (none / 0) (#76)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:28:33 AM EST
    about the current leaders being radical...and of course corrupt.  But US friendly tyrants...which is all the "beacon of democracy" cares about.

    Hopefully the people of Egypt have something to show for all the struggle and pain, when all is said and done...I wish 'em all the luck in the world making a better society and dodging the authoritarian punches...that is some hard work ahead of them, against long odds.

    I don't see them going fundamentalist extremist of anything either...not after the beautiful show of unity during the coptic christian holidays that the US media basically ignored.

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    Might sound 'I told you so-ish,' (none / 0) (#75)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:28:22 AM EST
    but I've been waiting for upheaval in Egypt, just based on the demographics. Look at the population pyramid, LOTS of young folks.

    Now with staples like rice doubling in price, and with unemployment at 20 percent or more. here it is.

    It's scary, but not a sucker-punch.

    Demography is destiny.

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    Live feed from Egypt (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by pitachips on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:42:44 AM EST
    http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

    NDP (ruling party) headquarters burning.
    Cairo police station burning.
    Curfew being ignored.
    Mubarak supposed to address the country soon.
    Military in Suez.

    Party HQ (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:44:21 AM EST
    Burning in Cairo.

    Police have given up going against protestors in some areas, with protestors bringing water to the police.

    The next few hours should be very interesting.

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    It was interesting to hear yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:54:03 AM EST
    about the protesters expressing support for the police - singing songs in their honor, etc. Really seeks to put the blame where it belongs - at the top.

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    Reports of police... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:31:27 AM EST
    ripping off their uniforms and joining the protestors...what a beautiful sight that must be...mercs telling the money to stick it and joining their brothers and sisters in protest...wow, could you imagine police in the USA ever doing something like that?  I can't.

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    Hoping the Cairo Museum is being (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:58:11 AM EST
    well-protected.  

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    Hmm, looks like (none / 0) (#85)
    by brodie on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 12:27:01 PM EST
    the Cairo Museum is being threatened by fire.

    Vy dicey situation being reported by Al Jazeera.

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    Very unfortunate. (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:30:47 PM EST
    Obama and Clinton in action (Egypt, Manning) (none / 0) (#17)
    by Andreas on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 02:49:12 AM EST
    "What else is going on?"

    Well, money and weapons provided by the USA to Egypt are currently being used against the population as intended, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joseph R. Biden voice their support for  dictator Hosni Mubarak and Bradly Manning is tortured by the Obama regime. In other words: US imperialism and the Democratic Party in action on one side and the working class on the other side.

    And (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by lentinel on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:10:18 AM EST
    it's worth a mention that we're spending over two billion dollars a week - every week - for the pointless and endless war in Afghanistan. I think it would be good for Obama and Boehner and the rest to consider raising the retirement age to 92.
    That could pay for it for awhile and everybody would be happy.

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    Mischaracterization, Andreas (none / 0) (#89)
    by christinep on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:00:08 PM EST
    As reported earlier here and, more significantly, as reported by Al-Jazeera, our Administration is clearly striving not to provoke anything beyond what the people there will determine in some form. The Secretary has issued a diplomatic, yet somewhat pointed (to Mubarak) about listening to "the aspirations" of the people.

    I talked with a friend earlier today--her husband still maintains a home in Cairo, and the two live there about 3 months each year--who indicated that she & her husband spoke with members of his family who were almost under their own "house arrest" in terms of not leaving their home. They, of course, are elderly--but, they relayed the rumors that Mubarak may actually be leaving the country. Just rumors...but, it is their belief that there is not turning back now.

    Once you take your eyes off of your own political speech, Andreas, you might find by listening that the situation is far broader and more convoluted on a number of Mid-Eastern levels than the simple-speak with which you seem to approach it.

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    Tell those Egyptians tortured by the regime ... (none / 0) (#93)
    by Andreas on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:29:56 PM EST
    ... which was and is backed by Barack Obama and his ilk. Convoluted is only your defense of Obama and Clinton.

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    A reminder: "his ilk" (none / 0) (#95)
    by christinep on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:43:12 PM EST
    includes most of the world...in terms of support for initially stabilized nations. Clearly, the situation has changed in Egypt in the past 6 years; Mubarak changed too in the 30 years in power...and not for the good.  Look, you can repeat your manifesto as often as you like; and, I agree with your sentiment that changed is urgently needed in Egypt. But, I strongly disagree with your implied notions that the major world nations can snub or overthrow any ruler we don't like (um...think back to Iraq.) Diplomacy has lots of eges--sometimes too many double edges--but, diplomacy is also a vehicle to pressure states or influence others over time to rein in the type of reign represented by Mubarak.

    I'm not justifying torture in Egypt...only stating the realpolitik that it happened there long before our current President (as in many places in the world.) The real question now: What happens next? Then, how can those interested in peace in the MidEast work with the reality to allow this to be a re-democritization opportunity?
    Since I'm guessing that you would not favor the US sending its military into any country where torture is known/suspected to be used, the real question from me to you is: What step-by-step pathway in the MidEast makes sense to you?

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    "What happens next?" (none / 0) (#100)
    by Andreas on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 03:22:29 PM EST
    I strongly disagree with your implied notions that the major world nations can snub or overthrow any ruler we don't like (um...think back to Iraq.)

    Who do you think you are kidding? The US has actively supported the dictatorial regime in Egypt with about 1.5 billion dollars per year.

    The real question now: What happens next?

    "looking forward and not backwards" ? No, understanding the past is decisive to see the way forward.

    The task to overthrow the regime is one of the working class. But the working class in Egypt can only be successfull if it is armed with a global socialist perspective.

    See this WSWS article published today:

    Egypt, Tunisia, and the fight against US imperialism
    28 January 2011


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    My take: You are focusing backward (none / 0) (#105)
    by christinep on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:17:26 PM EST
    because it is easier to find fault (a fault shared by all major nations, btw) than to take a lesson and plan/project what should be future specific steps to avoid the same or near the same failings tomorrow.  If you are a historian, I understand the reluctance to talk about the future...but, if you are not, it really does seen that your approach is to keep finding clubs to beat the same horse. You certainly have a right to that perspective.

    BTW, focusing on the future--which will become the focus soon enough--does not mean and never has meant ignoring the past. It means not getting stuck in a limited view of the past.

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    Addition (none / 0) (#106)
    by christinep on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:24:46 PM EST
    I hope, along with you, that the thrust of the movement we are seeing in Egypt is premised in the "working class." It is important in many ways.   Yet, it is possible that the genesis and direction may stem from the intelligentsia, the university students. While my knowledge of the makeup of students in Egypt is limited, my reaction is that a substantial number come from quite well-off families. If that is so, I hope that the movement encompasses the working class. Does anyone have info on the question?

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    I'll write someting on the demographics (none / 0) (#110)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 11:59:13 AM EST
    on Monday... kind of occupied this weekend, but an excellent area to consider.

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    Dexter in 60 Seconds (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:49:20 AM EST
    this is funny

    (btw the irony of hanging out at a defendants rights blog and constantly chattering excitedly about my favorite show which is about a vigilante serial killer is not lost on me)

    Me neither (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:19:12 AM EST
    And starting next week I will be chattering incessantly about the new season of 'Justified', hardly a shining example of defendant's rights.

    But hey, a good story is a good story.

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    I have another addiction (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:21:36 AM EST
    Breaking Bad.  for some reason it took me till now to catch up with that.

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    Great show (none / 0) (#45)
    by Yman on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:34:24 AM EST
    Dark, but very good.  Heard a lot of good things about Dexter - may have to check it out.

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    if you like BB (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:37:44 AM EST
    you are a Dexter fan in waiting

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    but (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:38:36 AM EST
    VERY IMPORTANT

    start from the beginning.  because by season 5 it has become so layered that unless you know the history you will not get half the stuff.

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    Thanks for the tip (none / 0) (#97)
    by Yman on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 02:22:24 PM EST
    Wasn't planning on starting with Season 1, but in this case, I will.

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    Oh yeah, you really have to (none / 0) (#98)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 02:25:47 PM EST
    I guess it would make some kind of sense without it, but lose a lot of the resonance.

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    I have not gotten into that one yet either (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:49:24 AM EST
    So many good recommendations for it I will have to try it. I just can only handle so much of the dark side, so have not been in the mood.

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    Got to watch the clip at lunch (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:57:25 AM EST
    very well done!

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    what could go wrong? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 08:53:35 AM EST
    I'll get the tar (none / 0) (#29)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 09:14:21 AM EST
    if someone else will supply the feathers and the rail to ride him out of town on.

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    absolutely amazing (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 09:20:13 AM EST
    I saw this yesterday and resisted the urge to bash my computer screen with a heavy object.  fortunately today it seems to be all over the web.  so at least this poor woman is getting some attention for her plight.

    Kelley Williams-Bolar, a single mother who's going to college and working as a teaching assistant (and who has no prior criminal record) while living in a housing project, claimed that her two daughters live part time with their father who lives in a better school district.

    The school disagreed, and hired a private investigator to film her dropping off her children. They wanted to charge her $30,000 and when she refused, the case went to court and the jury convicted her. The judge sentenced her to 5 years in prison, but suspended all but 10 days, with community service and probation

    Oh, and Kelley was working on her teaching degree. But now that she has a felony conviction against her, the collateral consequence of her conviction is that she cannot become a teacher or hope to pull her kids out of poverty

    oops (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 09:24:02 AM EST
    link

    btw I believe it also means she can no longer live in public housing?  yes?

    these officials made an example alright.  of themselves.

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    Confusing story (none / 0) (#54)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:43:45 AM EST
    as apparently her children live with her father, not their father.  Grandparents can register grandchildren living with them in my school district.  Did her father try to do so?  If so, was he turned down?  

    At least the judge tempered the jury's planned sentence but, yes, a felony could (not always, interestingly) hurt her hiring chances, so I hope that she appeals.

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    well (none / 0) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:48:38 AM EST
    they really did not live with either the way I read it she only said they did to get them into a better school.

    it is absolutely insane.

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    Your link says this: (none / 0) (#101)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 03:45:37 PM EST
    Williams-Bolar's father, Edward Williams, told CNN affiliate WJW-TV that the children did live with him, so he believed the family was within the law.

    So I repeat that, since he says that the children lived with him, I would want to know whether he tried to register the children for school there, whether he was refused, and if so, why.  Did their mother have to sign a form (as happens here), and did she not do so, refuse to do so, etc.

    There are ways to do this legally.  If the family attempted to do this legally, and if they were refused, then that ought to have been part of the trial -- if she had good representation.  If not, she may have a case for that reason, too.

    But if there was no attempt to do this legally, that's worth knowing as well.

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    well sure (none / 0) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 03:46:58 PM EST
    he says that but the caught her taking them to school so they were not really living with him.

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    Yes, but I've read more (none / 0) (#103)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 03:59:57 PM EST
    on this now -- saw the petition with links and the like -- and the story citing that factoid is just insufficient.  Many children come to school from different homes day by day, with parents with joint custody, with early-morning child care, etc.

    This case actually is one of several, all of the rest resolved in various ways to avoid prosecution -- parents withdrew the students, parents moved into the district, parents paid the difference -- and why this parent did not do so and let it go to prosecution also needs to be known.  Bad legal advice?

    Good news is that the state, which determines teacher certification, is continuing to let her serve as a teacher's aide, so that bodes well for her future employment opportunities.  (The rules for certification are not hard and fast but can be done on a case-by-case basis.)

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    good! (none / 0) (#104)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:04:01 PM EST
    remarkably (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:39:47 AM EST
    the word "uppity" does not appear in the filing.

    Parent
    oh jesus... (none / 0) (#59)
    by CST on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:52:09 AM EST
    This is actually a huge issue at my old high school.  Not the felony charges, but I mean kids giving the wrong address or address of an aunt or something.

    All the students knew about it, if one of our friends lived in another town.  But there was generally a code of silence among students, especially if they were from one of the nearby towns with really bad schools.

    But I guess parents from rich suburbs with perfectly good schools started doing the same, out of some need to be hyper-competitive because they felt they would have a slightly better education somewhere else.  The problem is, the school I went to was one of the few public schools for all the actual city kids that was any good.  Admissions are already severely limited.

    All that being said, when the school caught these kids (which they do, very regularly - something like 50 in the last 5 years), they kick the kids out of the school but for the most part, that's where it ended unless the parents took it to court (that has happened too).  These people are just @ssholes though, completely unecessary response.

    Not to mention, frankly, at first glance it seems like they should have been fine to go to that school as the father lives there.  But I don't really know enough about that to make a judgement.

    Parent

    Of course (none / 0) (#63)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:00:59 AM EST
    Studying to be a teacher herself, where her livelihood will depend on, among other things, tight budgets which are based on, in part, students being in the right school, she can't claim she didn't know this was fraud.

    It was her father's address she was using - not the kids' father. He is being charged with fourth-degree grand theft for stealing over $30,000 in school services for the two girls.

    I'm not sure the "everybody else does it" defense is necessarily a good one (it never worked with my parents, for sure), especially as the judge specifically said she was using this case as an example and sending the mother to jail for 10 days to send a message to other parents who do this.

    I don't know if jail is appropriate here - make her pay back the $36,000 and stay on probation.

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    10 days sentence not really the point (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:08:16 AM EST
    I would say what the felony conviction does to her employment chances and therefore the chances of those kids to have something better is shot to hell is the point.

    Parent
    Exactly. that is the part that is bad (none / 0) (#69)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:20:56 AM EST
    Equally the fault of the way hiring is done these days though without even looking into the nature of what the felony is before disqualifying the person for a job.

    Parent
    I should think diversion would be a good (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:25:01 AM EST
    solution here.  Put the kids in the appropriate, legal school.  No conviction on any charges if she keeps to her part of the bargain.


    Parent
    making an example of someone (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:04:58 AM EST
    for the sake of making an example is stupid.

    She didn't ruin anyone's life.  They are ruining hers.  It's unecessary, no one will be better off, and you put people's future's at needless risk.

    Did she do everything right?  No, she didn't.   Is that reason enough to ruin her life?  Absolutely not.

    Compassion is not a dirty word.

    Parent

    Again - you really need to read (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:29:27 AM EST
    I said she should not get jail time.

    I'm a very compassionate person.  I feel very sorry that she felt she had to make this choice.  But she did make the choice - I don't believe she should get off scot-free, and I don't buy the argument that "Everyone's doing it."  (So what?) Especially as someone who should know better.  She had options - if she was using her father's address - why not move in with her father and let the girls go to school legally? There were other ways of achieving the same result. That's why I said she should get probation and pay back the $36,000.

    And, I disagree - sometimes you need to make an example of people so the greater population gets the message. I may be in the minority, but I actually believe that people should be free to make choices, but then they should be prepared to live with the results and consequences of those choices.  Sue me.

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    by the way (5.00 / 0) (#107)
    by CST on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 04:34:07 PM EST
    my argument was never that 'everyone does it'.  My original post was about how I understand why this is an issue for school districts, because so many people try to do it, and it is in fact a real problem.  But.... that there is a much better way to handle it than charging someone with a felony.

    Making an example of someone in this manner is completely unecessary.  And punishing one person excessively for the "benefit" of other people in society who might be detterred, is the opposite of compassionate, IMO.  Lets push you down a little further so you can never get up.  Feeling "sorry" is condescending not compassionate.  Helping people is.

    You also apparently believe in the strictest consequences possible for anyone who makes a choice you disagree with.  I'm not saying she made the right choice, I'm saying that choice was not bad enough to ruin someone's life over.

    Parent

    Ala (none / 0) (#80)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:36:13 AM EST
    More HCR news (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:00:35 AM EST
    HHS grants 500 more waivers for HCR provisions.

    A week after Republicans announced plans to investigate waivers granted to organizations for healthcare reform provisions, President Obama's health department made public new waivers for more than 500 groups.

    The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is granting temporary waivers to organizations that would not be able to meet the reform law's new requirement for annual coverage limits.

    As of last week, HHS had granted waivers to 222 organizations covering 1.5 million individuals. Though the number of groups receiving waivers has now more than tripled, the number of individuals covered by the waivers increased just 600,000 to 2.1 million.

    The law gives HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius the flexibility to grant waivers to avoid disruption in the insurance market, but Republicans say the waivers are either gifts to Democratic allies or proof that the reform law isn't working. However, a large number of businesses, in addition to unions, have received waivers.



    occulus (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:05:28 AM EST
    adventures in headline writing

    "Boehner Has Hard Choices"

    Can we do anything with the piano on (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:16:46 AM EST
    the sandbar in Biscayne Bay?  Or the pissed off professor who peed on his colleague's office door?  

    Parent
    you mean this (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:19:57 AM EST
    I love this story.

    great assignment for a writing class.

    tell me how that piano got there.

    I think I posted that everywhere but here.

    Parent

    I finally broke down and opened the (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:26:58 AM EST
    CNN link on my Blackberry.  It seems someone other than the 16-yr. old and his dad who moved the piano there was taking credit so the kid spoke up.  Hoping to enhance his college applications.

    Parent
    btw (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:29:31 AM EST
    make sure if you click on the link above be sure to right click on the photo and save it.

    just because they say you cant.

    copyright ppfft


    Parent

    The photo is beautiful. (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:34:43 AM EST
    Please give me a link to the professor (none / 0) (#42)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:29:50 AM EST
    story! It sounds like some of my ex colleagues!

    Parent
    your (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:31:31 AM EST
    Linke sent to my (none / 0) (#47)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:35:19 AM EST
    colleagues in the math department. Along with some choice comments of my own... ;-)

    Parent
    You mean (none / 0) (#83)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:45:47 AM EST
    The Swim Up Piano Bar

    Parent
    I was prepared to be angry about (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 02:31:13 PM EST
    the disrespectful treatment of a fine piano, but apparently it is unplayable.  (I hate pianos painted white, etc.)

    Parent
    It was a movie prop (none / 0) (#108)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 05:48:20 PM EST
    for Burn Notice, but it's final day was really the night before it headed to "the bar" when it was lit on fire by a bunch of drunken high schoolers.

    Parent
    I didn't recognize the 'maker' (none / 0) (#109)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 07:40:41 PM EST
    written on it, that would explain my observation.

    Parent
    also love this (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 10:36:41 AM EST
    `Civility' just a ruse to neuter Republicans

    because, you know, republicans are completely powerless unless they are able to be hostile noxious vile despicable a-holes.

    Mubarak to address nation at any moment (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:14:18 AM EST
    cautious prediction (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:27:01 AM EST
    Mubarak will resign

    Parent
    military seems to be taking the side of protesters (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:37:42 AM EST
    police have fled.  all kinds of police vehicles and buildings on fire.

    if you are not watching this you should.

    Parent

    tanks (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:40:13 AM EST
    Reporter just said (none / 0) (#86)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 12:27:04 PM EST
    that protesters waving were jumping on the MPCs as they drove through the streets, and the Museum of Antiquities is threatened by fire.

    Parent
    Obama: (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 12:40:08 PM EST
    Hosni who?

    Parent
    As the punchline of a famous American (none / 0) (#91)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:13:13 PM EST
    joke goes:

    What do you mean, we, kemosabe?



    Parent
    I would hope so (none / 0) (#90)
    by christinep on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:07:27 PM EST
    For one thing, what can Mubarak do at this point? Some reform? Maybe, but the more you look at this compelling stream at Al-Jazeera, it does look like the line has been crossed. A matter of time? And will a long passage of time contribute to unravelling untold situations in the MidEast?

    Parent
    actually (none / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 01:14:58 PM EST
    since I posted that I have decided that he will be lucky if he is allowed to resign.

    Parent
    this is amazing (none / 0) (#71)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:25:04 AM EST
    tune in

    Parent
    they are showing the riots (none / 0) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:25:22 AM EST
    live

    Parent
    50000 (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:25:57 AM EST
    demonstrators

    Parent
    that was only (none / 0) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 11:31:03 AM EST
    one area.  there are hundreds of thousands.

    ElBaradei surrounded in his house unable to leave

    Parent

    wow (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 28, 2011 at 02:11:22 PM EST
    this is amazing.

    I am ready to walk like an egyptian