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It's time for Survivor, Harry's Law and America's Next Top Model.

Via TMZ, here's Lindsay Lohan's glowing Probation Report. What does the Judge care if she does her service at The Red Cross instead of the program she specified? Time to let up on Lindsay. I doubt she'll go back to jail in November, but the press is already having a field day. Worst headline: "Pack Your Prison Panties, Lindsay, You’re Going Back to the Big House." (By a men's site that claims to love and respect women.)

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Breaking up with my bank (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by chrisvee on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 09:21:16 PM EST
    I've opened an account at my local credit union and I'm in the
    process of breaking up with Wells Fargo.

    And it feels good. :-)

    I've visited the CU office twice and I'm already amazed by the service.

    broke up with Wells Fargo (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Amiss on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 10:32:33 PM EST
    several years ago and weent with a small regional bank. We are much more satisfied with service and really appreciate the small things they do for us.

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    You won't regret it (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 11:17:11 PM EST
    and I doubt you'll ever go back to a bank again.

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    They bought our mortgage (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 07:56:18 AM EST
    You never know when a break up is in your future or the potential to become ugly that some of them might possess :)  We took our mortgage out with our credit union and then they sold us, we didn't know we could be so easily sold.

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    Interesting side discussion at the Cheetoh (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 11:20:47 AM EST
    In the Suskin book it is brought up that some argued that the FDIC could not afford to pay out to depositors what it would have taken to take over Citi.  I brought that up, and another commenter said that the FDIC is mostly in the red these days and never had enough money to cover any of the big banks if they failed, they can only feasibly cover little banks but the fact that they claim to insure the TBTF is supposed to produce confidence in all of us.

    I'm not sure how it can do that, certainly not in this financial meltdown climate.  Bill Black went on the record yesterday saying that BoA moving derivatives (not quite legal either) to an FDIC insured subsidiary is a sign that BoA is in trouble...maybe serious trouble.  If the FDIC really can't afford what it would cost to reimburse depositors of TBTF banks, can any of us really afford to trust our money is okay there?

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    Cardinals 3, Rangers 2. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 10:53:28 PM EST
    Excellent game 1 of WS.  

    It certainly was! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 07:43:11 AM EST
    Go Cards!

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    I Hate the Cardinals... (none / 0) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 08:46:34 AM EST
    ... and my beloved Astros for giving them Berkman who IMO kept my home state Brewers out of the World Series.

    But as a Texan, I do have a little love for the the Rangers, just wish they weren't so intertwined with GWB.

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    TDIH: (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by brodie on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 09:20:30 AM EST
    1.  1947:  HUAC opens hearings looking into communist influence in Hollywood.

    2.  1968:  Jackie marries Ari ("it was a mistake" one of her friends later credibly claimed)

    3.  1973:  Saturday Night Massacre as Nixon fires special prosecutor Archie Cox and AG Elliot Richardson and his deputy AG Bill Ruckleshaus both resign in protest.


    Left Piers Morgan on accidentally (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 08:21:10 PM EST
    Really, it was an accident.  Anyhow, Herman Cain's grade school picture is adorable.  He was a gorgeous kid.  What happened :)?

    We all used to be cute. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Towanda on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 11:32:52 PM EST
    :-)

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    One of my nephews (very adorable) (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by observed on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 12:01:04 AM EST
    was told a couple of years ago that he looks just like I did as  a child.
    He wasn't exactly pleased!


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    Damn, Donald..... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 09:02:39 AM EST
    ... you going republican with all that self self congratulatory rambling.

    Just kidding, Cain to me is nothing more that a ruthless business man who I would bet a small fortune, did not earn without breaking a few laws.

    Anyone that thinks a CEO is anything like a President needs to get their meds adjusted drastically.  

    It's one thing to run a board meeting where you are basically setting the tone, especially when numbers are good.  And certainly if he is vindictive, no one is going to call him out.  

    And secondly, beyond the board, he is the king of the company, not the same as the president.  A gaff at work maybe gets some whispers, a gaff at the podium is front page news.  He simply doesn't have the skills and isn't polished enough to be a high politician.

    And president... I am convinced that they keep polling him high to let the upper crust know they aren't happy with their choices, so unhappy they will straw pol a black man over super business man and the a man with presidential hair.

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    Demand Note (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 08:31:44 PM EST
    NEW YORK--As the Occupy Wall Street protest expands and grows into a nationwide movement, Americans are eagerly awaiting a list of demands from the group so they can then systematically disregard them and continue going about their business, polls showed this week.
    [snip]
    Once Occupy Wall Street has a concrete set of objectives in place, the majority of Americans said they would go back to waiting for the sluggish economy to recover while blindly accepting things the way they are.

    link

    Classic Onion... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 08:58:00 AM EST
    "If they don't have a clear power structure organized around specific demands first, then I'll never be able to completely tune them out due to a political conflict of interest or an inability to comprehend complex, detailed economic concepts. These people really need to get their act together."


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    Occupy (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 09:55:34 AM EST
    this

    ...issuing "demands" to corrupt organizations and systems would be just playing into their hands - and giving away the power the Occupy movement has.

    Issuing demands would be begging psychopaths to play nice.

    There are 310 million Americans who, before Occupy, were acting like they were outnumbered by a few thousand wall streeters, media moguls, insurance company and weapons manufacturer execs and other assorted 'plutocrats', 100 senators, 435 congresspeople, and maybe a couple of hundred in the US Administration.

    No longer are they acting like they are outnumbered.

    F**k make demands. Make those few thousand issue demands instead. And then reject them.

    Require total and complete surrender instead.



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    My SF/Bay Guardian Online piece (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 09:47:41 PM EST
    When OccupySF Occupied My Car (LINK)

    Apologies for the sloppy way they kind of threw it up there.  Oh well.  I still love the Guardian.

    Have a peaceful night, y'all.

    Now thats a happy recap... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 09:33:23 AM EST
    great job D.

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    are "prison panties" (none / 0) (#8)
    by cpinva on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 10:58:10 PM EST
    any relation to "magic mormon underwear"?

    Honestly, (none / 0) (#9)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 19, 2011 at 11:15:53 PM EST
    Is there really a men's website that shows respect for women? If so, I've never heard of it.

    As far as Lindsey Lohan goes, (none / 0) (#13)
    by Amiss on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 12:12:37 AM EST
    I believe she needs to learn to follow instructions and orders as far as the law is concerned. Up until now, at least, she most always finds some excuse to NOT DO something the court has ordered her to do. I honestly felt she didnt want to go to the Women's Center and do what they asked of her so she decided on her own to go to the Red Cross. Something at the Women's Center was making her "uncomfortable" so she just left rather than face her problems as usual, she NEEDS to face these problems or the Judge would not have made that a part of her sentence. As usual, her feelings of "priviledge" have supported her and let her do her work such that it is at the Red Cross.

    If she had done what was asked or ordered of her in the beginning, this would have been over long ago.

    As far as I am concerned, it is no one's fault it has been drug out but hers.

    from the probation order (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 12:54:46 AM EST
    which has the termination letter from the Women Services Center, the WSC said she had to report to the Volunteer Center for reassignment. In another part of the report, it says she hooked up with the Red Cross through the Volunteer Center. I don't think she was ignoring instructions.

    The report also states she's been in counseling and attending the theft program as required and making progress in both.

    I don't see what difference it makes what community service she does. When I used to do state cases a long time ago, I would propose the type of community service to the court. If I had a hairdresser, I'd ask that she be able to do hair at a nursing home or hospital. It should be meaningful. Sentences are not just punishment, they are also designed to rehabilitate. What rehabilitative value does community service have if the offender doesn't feel good about it? It's not like the Red Cross isn't a worthy cause. It sounds to me like the judge had a pet project (the Women's Center).

    The important thing is there were no reports of drug or alcohol use. So she is doing a lot right.

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    Harry Reid in fantasy land (none / 0) (#15)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 06:36:41 AM EST
    Do you have a problem with well paying jobs? (none / 0) (#27)
    by sj on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 02:16:13 PM EST
    Is it that you think we should all be happy to almost get minimum wage?  Or is it that you're getting all het up over the "average income".  I would invite you to mentally create a group of three members:  yourself, the first homeless person you see, and Bill Gates.  Then calculate average income. Do you or said homeless person benefit from that "average income"?

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    No problem with high paying jobs (none / 0) (#29)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 01:49:57 AM EST

    Only that when there are too many that are govt jobs it can burden the economy. Jobs that create wealth are generally good.  Jobs that consume wealth are not so good.

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    Oy (none / 0) (#31)
    by sj on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 01:08:59 PM EST
    just Oy.

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 02:48:54 PM EST
    That tired meme again?

    what that article leaves out is stuff like this:

    But any compensation comparison between the average federal civilian employee and average private-sector employee oversimplifies the debate, glossing over the important differences in occupation, skill level, age, and education that determine salaries. The BEA has posted an FAQ on federal pay, providing a number of reasons why the average compensation for federal civilian employees is higher than the average compensation for private-sector employees:

    ■Federal civilian workers are more educated.
    ■The federal government has a higher proportion of white-collar jobs.
    ■"Lower-skilled (and lower-paid) positions have been contracted out to private industries" in recent years, raising the average pay of federal civilian employees.
    ■Federal civilian workers receive better pension and health insurance benefits on average than private-sector employees, some of whom receive no benefits.

    Furthermore, the $123,049 average compensation figure for federal workers is greatly inflated -- and several thousand dollars too high. The BEA tells us that total compensation includes an unknown amount for retirees' health and life insurance benefits. More importantly, it includes billions of dollars that Congress appropriates each year to pay "unfunded liabilities" for retirees and current workers covered by the old Civil Service Retirement System before it was replaced for newly hired workers starting Jan. 1, 1987. These payments for former workers obviously don't benefit current workers, and should not be included in their average total compensation.

    SNIP

    The Office of Personnel Management reports that 44.3 percent of federal civilian workers held a bachelor's degree in 2008. That's more than double the percentage of private sector employees who have a bachelor's. The Minnesota Population Center at the University of Minnesota provided us with comparable data for private-sector employees: 18.7 percent held a BA in 2008.

    Duh.

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    I'd take issue with Reid's ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 22, 2011 at 06:45:35 AM EST
    ... characterization of "private sector jobs have been doing just fine", but he's right about the loss of public sector jobs.  Moreover, he was talking about "public sector jobs" (in general), not DC area federal employees, who are hardly a representative sample of whether "government work pays well".

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    Gaddafi captured? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 06:38:11 AM EST


    Why couldn't Joe Biden... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 20, 2011 at 10:26:05 AM EST
    just do us all a favor and gotten into law enforcement instead of politics...he's got a temperment and views much more suitable for a cop, and a d*ckish one at that.