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Who dressed up? Who went trick or treating? Who turned off the lights and pretended not to be home?

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    Unexpected last minute cancellation of (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 08:27:12 PM EST
    tutoring tonight.  (Probably due to all the kids saying--can't make it. It's Halloween!)

    So yes, I am home with the lights off.  

    Dorothy Rodham, mother (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:47:42 AM EST
    of Secretary Clinton, passed away last night at the age of 92 (born in 1919).   May she rest in peace.

    Oh, that's so sad. (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:54:35 AM EST
    From everything I've read, Hillary and her mother had a great relationship and were very close; she's not just losing her mother, but also, I imagine a dear friend.

    Peace to the family in their grief.

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    Peace to her family (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:57:35 AM EST
    RIP Google Reader (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:00:50 PM EST
    Google wrecked it today.

    And it looks awful too. Hospital white everywhere.  

    Damn. (none / 0) (#4)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:04:02 PM EST
    as far as I know, google reader is the only one which currently supports reading pdf files. I haven't bought a reader yet, but that is essential for any reader I buy---and it will save a lot of trees.
    I can't read math articles on a computer, but a nice reader should work fine.

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    It's an RSS reader, not an ebook reader (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:08:39 PM EST
    Oh i see. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:13:42 PM EST
    If I were to (subjunctive) set up (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:12:28 PM EST
    FSS for TalkLeft on my Blackberry (if that is even possible), what would I receive?  New diaries?  All new comments as they are posted (that would be too much of a good thing, I think)?  Also, could I confine what I receive from DK to certain diarists?  

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    New Diaries (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:31:24 PM EST
    Yes, I checked out Wiki b/4 asking my (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:33:05 PM EST
    question.  Not all that helpful.

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    See if this loads in your browser: (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:39:55 PM EST
    feed://www.talkleft.com/index.xml

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    By jove, I think I've got it loaded. Thanks. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:41:34 PM EST
    I'm suprised Kindle or Nook do not read PDF (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:16:01 AM EST
    Just tested the apps to make sure that was true. The iBooks app does on iPad or iPhone, also there is an Adobe Reader app that I'm sure is also available on Droid platforms if you prefer that.

    Still very suprised the others don't. I wonder why not.

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    I think all the major ... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Yman on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:13:45 AM EST
    ... eBook readers support PDF.  I know I've tried it on my Nook Color and it works.

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    Halloween in KZ is over already (none / 0) (#3)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:02:00 PM EST
    The servers at the cafe in my building had some rather gruesome makeup on Friday and Saturday night.

    I had a grammar question.
    How does one explain the following usage:
    A Kazakh wrote: If I won't be busy tomorrow I will call you.
    Correct to me is: If I'm not busy tomorrow I will call you.

    The Kazakh version seems logical, but isn't right.
    Is there a name for this tense?  English does have some pretty funky tenses. For instance (I"ve forgotten the name of this one): The donut will have been being eaten tomorrow.

    Future perfect, I believe (none / 0) (#7)
    by Dadler on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:27:05 PM EST
    Did you mean "The donut will have been eaten tomorrow?"  Or was the "being" in there on purpose?  

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    Yes, being was there on purpose (none / 0) (#8)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:29:19 PM EST
    This was an example a linguistics professor gave me, ages ago.

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    Subjunctive? (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:32:00 PM EST
    Yes, you are right. (none / 0) (#11)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:41:18 PM EST
    If I pay attention in the future, I will remember this lesson.

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    While we're on this subject ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by cymro on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 01:10:45 AM EST
    One American usage I find odd is the use of "would have" instead of "had" to express the perfect tense when the mood is subjunctive -- as in: "If I would have checked the oil, this breakdown might have been been avoided."

    Is this usage actually correct in US English? I'm pretty sure I never heard it in the UK.

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    I believe that is incorrect. (none / 0) (#31)
    by observed on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 03:17:53 AM EST
    By the way, did you ever read my last response in our discussion about Welsh speakers? If you haven't done so already, you should find it interesting.


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    I wonder why it's so common? (none / 0) (#89)
    by cymro on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 03:23:07 PM EST
    "Had" is so much simpler and direct.

    I had seen your earlier comment about your sister, but did not reply at the time. Since you reminded me, I just posted a reply.

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    Oh ok. I answered your question. (none / 0) (#94)
    by observed on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:40:01 PM EST
    I question the professor (none / 0) (#13)
    by Dadler on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:47:45 PM EST
    I have never heard nor read the sentence you gave.  "The donut will have been eaten tomorrow" is future prefect,l seems to me. "The donut will have been BEING eaten," I have no idea as it seems redundant and ungrammatical, not to mention plain ugly.  

    But I could be wrong.  Obscure grammar is not a Jeopardy category I'd ever want to face.

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    By tomorrow at noon, I will have been (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:48:40 PM EST
    doing study on this subject for exactly zero hours.

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    you sound like you live... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Dadler on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:52:37 PM EST
    ...in a Milan Kundera novel.

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    "If I will not" (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:41:12 PM EST
    I think that's actually grammatically correct, I just can't think of when I would ever use it.

    In particular, when would you prefer it over "if I do not?"

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    A little dating already. (none / 0) (#12)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 09:43:23 PM EST
    if you know what  I have in common with our most brilliant recent law graduate, you will realize this is not a mean achievement where I"m living.


    Legal? (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:06:39 PM EST
    Yes, definitely (none / 0) (#28)
    by observed on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 11:27:24 PM EST
    The laws here are good. I researched this topic before I came.
    I think there is probably more ignorance than overt prejudice here---unlike Russia, from what I know of that country.


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    Tom Keith, the wonderful sound effects (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:08:46 PM EST
    guy on Prairie Home Companion, has died.  MPR

    Sorry to hear that. Have enjoyed that (none / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:21:50 AM EST
    segment of the show the most in recent years.

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    Jeralyn: it's "Halloween" for (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:16:24 PM EST
    eve of All Hallow's day.  Maybe you were thinking of Hollaway Bars.  Do they still make those?

    The "All-Day Hollaway" bar on a stick? (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:23:21 AM EST
    Those actually are still available.  I saw some in a concessions stand last summer.  That brought back memories!  Memories of slow summer days . . . and memories of teeth long-lost now, as I suspect that there was a connection.

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    "Giant U.S. broker" (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:27:11 PM EST
    bites the dust due to Eurozone crisis. Irish Times

    Nice work, Corzine (none / 0) (#36)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:24:19 AM EST
    On elevator at medical bldg. today. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 31, 2011 at 10:34:38 PM EST
    Two strollers.  Stroller-pushers were comparing notes.  Each has five (count -em, five) kids.  I wanted to exclaim:  the population of our planet is now 7 billion!!!!!

    Jeralyn, there is a prolific spammer (none / 0) (#29)
    by caseyOR on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:58:00 AM EST
    called Robertsnow who has hit several old threads.

    We ran (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 06:40:45 AM EST
    out of candy. I didn't think that we would have that many trick or treaters since it was a school night but boy was I wrong. They were out in force. I think my teenage son was handing out too much candy too.

    teenage son? hmm (none / 0) (#33)
    by NYShooter on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 07:05:36 AM EST
    maybe it wasn't candy:)

    Had a great time (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:32:54 AM EST
    We all decided to dress up. I have a couple of totes that I throw all things Halloween in so after several years there are all sorts of stuff in there to choose from.  Trick or treating here was only supposed to be from 5:00 to 7:00 and when we started the light outdoors was in the sweet light stage which I hope improved my usually poor photo taking.  Everyone had a great time, too much candy, people really seemed to be giving out a lot and the buckets were heavy and stuffed at the end.

    Do you do what my moms... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:45:50 AM EST
    used to do?  "Inspect" the candy as a ruse to glom all your favorites?

    What a coincidence that every Snickers was suspect, and all those crappy Mary Janes passed inspection:)

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    I was discussing this last night (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:07:39 AM EST
    with my daughter because Zoey and most of the other kids were eating some candy on the road and my daughter didn't want Zoey eating any candy before it was all inspected.  I remember when my daughter was little inspecting all the candy but then a few years go by and I forgot to be paranoid about certain urban legends.  I didn't inspect Josh's at all, and I tell Josh if something looks tampered with don't eat it and bring it me.

    Without a written inventory that you take to school with you everyday, who knows what mom thieves with all that bon bon eating free time?  I suppose this is how people become paranoid verses easily lied to, they could have sworn there was a snickers in here.

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    Played is lame.... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 08:43:29 AM EST
    this Halloween, no parade no parties...Monday is not a good day for this fine holiday.

    Just stayed home and served up the Baby Ruth and Payday for the trick-or-treaters...where I'm from leaving the lights off and playing nobody home is a recipe for an egging!  At least I would have egged ya back in the day:)  If ya don't wanna be bothered, ya gotta at least leave a basket of treats on the stoop...imho.

    There was a HUGE bowl of candy (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:13:03 AM EST
    on one porch with a sign that said to take only one please, great candy in it...the good stuff, mini bars (not to be confused with mini bars but both soothe mom when she is PMSing).  And there appeared to be a stuffed grim reaper sitting in a chair next to it.  Try taking more than one bar though and the grim reaper came to life.  Friggin hysterical, the grim reaper must have been a 13 year old skinny kid because he looked the same size and shape as all the stuffed figures out there for sale.

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    That is so funny (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:28:39 AM EST
    I'm sure that kid had a blast scaring the kids all night.

    I had a lot of cuties come to the door. Lots of younger kids in the neighborhood. I always like seeing the costumes. One little tyke in a stroller had a giant sunflower hoodie on. freakin' adorable!

    Around 9:30 I just left the rest of the candy on a bowl on the porch and let the older kids still out have at it. I guess no one wanted to take the last one cuz there was one little Snickers mini left for my bedtime snack. such polite kids!

    Someone left an open bag of chocolate chips on my chair. Don't know who would hand that out. They were spilled all over my sidewalk too. Had to sweep up as best I could. Now the dogs will be licking the sidewalk for days, and chocolate is not good for them. Aside from that, it was a fun night.

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    Someone left you a snickers (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:05:36 AM EST
    That's so sweet.  My husband sent me like 36 Godiva truffles when I found out I was pregnant with Josh (just what a pregnant lady needs...not).  He was away from us though, but here...going to an advanced course.  Our German Shepherd then loved chocolate and it was hell keeping it away from him during Halloween and he licked the wrappers flat by the time he was done if he got a hold of anything and he could practically get a hold of everything.  He was also good at opening doors with his mouth.  He was hell on doorknobs though, we had to replace most internal doorknobs before turning a rental back over.

    That box was still wrapped in its cellophane and placed up high, but when I came home every single truffle no longer existed outside of a dog.  I don't know how that dog didn't kill himself, but he lived to be 13 which is old for a GSD.

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    Aw, I hope the sweet doggie enjoyed (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:14:35 PM EST
    his truffles!  13 really is long for a GSD. Sounds like quite a character!  I'm sure mine can't lick enough off what remains on the sidewalk to hurt them - they are pretty big. A whole box of truffles however - might be another story! Would not want to pick up that doodoo.

    I have to put up a baby gate to keep them away from the door on Halloween. The oder one likes to stick his whole head into the kids' treat bags. I call it 'Treat or Treating'.

    All in all a much funner holiday for dogs than 4th of July or New Years eve with fireworks. Not as good as thanksgiving, but pretty good!

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    No Herman Cain discussion here? (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:22:45 AM EST
    Over coffee this morning and watching the news my husband made me spit my coffee.  So busy yesterday we were not up to speed at all on Cain caning himself all day yesterday.

    So we were watching the rundown of how the sexual harassment revelation unfolded yesterday and my husband says, "Wow, what a dummy.  He's a Republican, all he had to say was frivolous lawsuit but instead he decided to go Clinton and try for what the definition of a settlement is."

    I've been following the Cain funfest (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:42:05 AM EST
    at Charles Pierce's blog. Cain's candidacy is such a joke in itself that Pierce has just the right touch in his commentary.

    His speculation about the "ratfkng" of Cain - the leaks to Politico about the harassment case -  is interesting. Seems the Restaurant Association is funded by several GOP bigwigs, and is linked to Karl Rove.

    It was a given that his campaign would go down in flames somehow.

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    Ugliness (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:05:58 AM EST
    The Republican machinery (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:36:04 AM EST
    Are seeing to it that Cain goes down.  He's polling well, but everyone knows the eventual nominee is going to be Romney, so it's time to start picking the others off one by one.

    There was even a story yesterday that the Dems are preparing and strategizing based on a Romney nomination.

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    The sexual harassment issue may be the (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:50:46 AM EST
    least of Cain's problems.

    Here's a link to an alternet article that discusses, among other things, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel story that delves into the finances of the Cain campaign - focusing on the activities of Cain's campaign manager, one Mark Block.

    A few excerpts:

    Hours before Politico burst forth with its explosive accusations [about the sexual harassment], the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel laid out a case that suggests significant illegal campaign activity on Cain's behalf by a nonprofit organization, Prosperity USA (also known as America's Prosperity Network), controlled by Block and linked to David Koch's Americans for Prosperity. As AlterNet has reported, Block, the former director of AFP's Wisconsin chapter, has long been known for playing dirty in politics.

    Prosperity USA, described as a 501(c)(3) in its incorporation documents (and which now seems to be defunct), appears to have been footing the bill for Cain campaign expenses, including a highly unusual payment of $100,000 to the right-wing Congress of Racial Equality in advance of a major speech by Cain. Daniel Bice, who writes the Journal Sentinel's No Quarter blog [Anne note: not the same NQ blog we all remember], reports that the payment to CRE appears to have been disbursed from $150,000 in loans raised from unnamed donors. While Bice says that Cain was apparently not paid for that appearance, the New Yorker's Jane Mayer this month uncovered information suggesting that Cain's speaking fees are not directly reported as such on his disclosure forms to the Federal Elections Commission, but are shielded from public view as transactions that take place between his private company and the speaker's bureau representing him.

    [snip]

    Until he signed on as Herman Cain's campaign manager in December, Block ran the Wisconsin state chapter of Americans for Prosperity. In addition to helping to send a handful of Koch-backed lawmakers to Washington, Block also helped elect Scott Walker to the governor's mansion along with a cadre of right-wingers to the state legislature, where they wasted no time in launching an assault against Wisconsin's public employees and their unions. And it was Block who recruited Herman Cain to run for president.

    [snip]

    As a political operative, Block is known to be both hardworking and ruthless, often ignoring the law. As AlterNet reported, Block's flouting of Wisconsin campaign law got him banned from participating in political campaigns there for three years. He also paid a $15,000 fine for the illegal use of an outside group in the campaign he managed for a judicial candidate. Practically the minute the ban was up, Block signed on to lead Americans for Prosperity's Wisconsin chapter, and to help build the national organization.

    In 2010, the liberal advocacy organization, One Wisconsin Now, uncovered Block's role in a vote-caging scheme apparently designed to suppress the votes of college students and African Americans in Milwaukee. Block denied the accusation until the leader of a Tea Party group challenged him.

    According to the experts Bice quoted in his investigative report on Prosperity USA, Block once again appears to have played fast and loose with the rules.

    It all makes sense now: Cain is the Koch brothers' stalking horse, and if nothing else, and assuming the corporate media decide campaign finance might be a big issue to report on, people are going to learn a lot more about the Koch family than they ever knew.

    I don't see how Cain survives this - thank God; getting rid of Mark Block won't help, either.

    But I'm also beginning to believe that not much is going to help Romney, either, even if he is the last man standing.


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    If I were a Dem (none / 0) (#55)
    by CST on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:40:07 AM EST
    I would be preparing for Romney no matter what.

    Because in the event it is one of the loons, your job becomes a lot easier.

    Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

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    He is the only one who can run (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:56:51 AM EST
    against Obama at all, and he's still pretty weak IMO.  But it keeps being reported that he cannot get the numbers among the Republican base to be the nominee.  Funny how Rick Perry's speech yesterday is being pushed this morning in the media as a "sensation".

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    According to the news (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:51:43 AM EST
    There is an enormous GOP base wish for anyone but Romney.  I am not well informed on GOP operations.  I read one piece that made insinuations that Rove and Company do not like Rick Perry but if it isn't Cain and it isn't Romney isn't that who you would go with?  And he seemed almost jovial yesterday.

    I saw how effective internal Dems are pushing one candidate over another when things get rough.  You don't have to get that rough in caucus states though with Dems because Dems spend their whole lives trying to figure out how to be nice people in every situation :)  It is a challenge they hope to all eventually max out before they die.

    It will be interesting witnessing how strong the internal power and money gears of the Republican party are being this challenged to come up with someone who can run against Obama.

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    Anyone but Romney (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:52:57 AM EST
    Those that don't like the Mormonism things are howling now about how much they don't like it, but they will fall in line when he gets the nomination - after all, when Romney is the nominee, they will have nowhere else to go, right?

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    I think the question becomes (none / 0) (#69)
    by CST on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:57:52 AM EST
    how does Romney get to be the nominee when so much of the base wants "anyone but Romney"?

    They may fall in line after the primary, but they won't before.  And they do vote.  No matter what the "republican elite" wants.

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    I'm thinking since the GOP (4.50 / 2) (#70)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:05:37 PM EST
    "in the trenches" seem to swallow whatever FOX news puts out, they'll come around to Romney if fed enough crap.  

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    I think they are already there (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:09:37 PM EST
    They are letting this farce of a primary season play out.  Romney is the guy and it will all work out that he will get the nomination.  All this other stuff between Perry, Bachmann, Cain, et al, is just noise and a distraction.  The voting public thinks they actually have a role to play - but this is already a foregone conclusion.

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    Oh how true (none / 0) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:24:37 PM EST
    I keep thinking we are up against a bunch of Conservative thinking intellectuals.  And if they were that, they'd love Romney far and wide right now as much as later.  My bad

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    Votes can be manilpulated (none / 0) (#74)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:11:58 PM EST
    It isn't a stretch to see. The party leaders will get exactly the candidate they want.  And it's Romney.

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    Forget the party leaders... (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 01:34:58 PM EST
    if the party sponsors want Romney, it's Romney.

    Whoever raises the most money gets the nomination...guaranteed.

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    Concur (none / 0) (#76)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:17:11 PM EST
    I think it's interesting (none / 0) (#79)
    by sj on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:24:30 PM EST
    that the analysts are all "what about the base" when it comes to the Republicans, but now I'm wondering: are the various traditional Dem constituencies still under-the-bus-ers?  I don't recall the Dems giving two hoots about the base in 2008 because after all, where are they gonna go?

    But in any case, we got a Dem candidate in spite of the base in 2008.  I don't see why the R's can't pull that off.  They can't use the same approach of course, but that's all just tactics.

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    Herman Cain...he just says whatever (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:08:14 AM EST
    sounds good - to him - at any given moment, regardless of whether five minutes ago he said something completely different - which I'm not sure makes him a good politician as much as it makes him a pathological and serial confabulator.  

    I still cannot believe anyone with a quorum of brain cells could take him seriously enough to want to vote for him to be dogcatcher, much less president, but then, I can't believe the poor quality candidates Americans are willing to accept/tolerate as their choices for elective office.

    It would be just deeply ironic if he became one of the few Republicans who didn't manage to come through a scandal involving women without any consequence.  So, maybe this is some kind of test: if he can't  finesse this, he doesn't deserve to carry the Republican banner...

    And, before I forget, I saw a clip of Rick Perry speaking somewhere, and I have to reiterate that he IS the Ted Baxter candidate.


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    He can't keep a secret for beans though (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:14:25 AM EST
    Just keep asking and he'll tell you a little more and little more and little more about things he at first said he knew nothing about.  He cracks me up.  If I must risk being stuck with a Republican, I want him to be the one in my neighborhood pack of hooligans who couldn't lie well enough to even save his own hide let alone the rest of our hides :)  I think I want Herman Cain to at least be the GOP nominee.

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    I think it was Ike who (none / 0) (#51)
    by brodie on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:09:09 AM EST
    described Barry Goldwater as "just plain dumb".  But compared to the ignorant Cain, Barry was a scientist of rocketry.

     Cain has been described as a willing and eager "minstrel" performer for the white conservative audience in the GOP (per Toure on Msnbc) which apparently offends some black MSM commentators like Cynthia Tucker.  But it seems on the mark to me.

    An unserious clownish winging it candidate out to enhance his lecture circuit value as he pretends to run for president.  But it looks like his fall is imminent.  

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    And even given all we have seen of cain (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:18:34 PM EST
    I still think he is smarter than Perry.

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    Too bad Long Dong Silver (none / 0) (#90)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 04:05:02 PM EST
    already wore out that "high tech lynching" line..

    Though, me thinks Planet Wingnut'll be reviving it in the next few days, anyway.

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    to buy or not to buy (none / 0) (#50)
    by CST on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:09:00 AM EST
    the boston globe online subscription.

    I pretty much get all my news from the internet these days, and I greatly prefer real news organizations.  I haven't bought the nytimes yet, because I pretty much only go over the 20 free articles mid-late month and I can live with that.

    I would like local news on the regular, and Boston.com isn't quite cutting it (it's a limited content site from the globe).  The problem is, the full site is $0.99 for the first 4 weeks - but then it goes up to $3.99 - per week - after that.

    Is it just me or does that seem kind of pricey? Does anyone else pay for newspapers online?  Is this unreasonable?  Or am I just being cheap?

    My mom (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:39:13 AM EST
    (and when my dad was alive) reads the paper online - at least a few days a week.  The Detroit Free Press (and the Detroit News since they operate under a Joint Operating Agreement) only puts out actual paper newspapers a few days a week - the other days are online only.  My reads the paper on her PC in the family room, right off the kitchen, and dad used to set up his laptop on the kitchen table to read it).

    They were hesitant at first, but now mom loves it - reduces the amount of stuff to be recycled and taken care of.

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    I still buy paper... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:29:29 AM EST
    I get home delivery of actual paper and ink 7 days a week for less than 3.99 a week, NY Daily News...damn right that sounds pricey for online only....they must be smoking crack.

    I was hesitant to do it, fearing the delivery wouldn't arrive before I left for work...haven't been late once, rain or shine. Saving me money from buying it at the deli every morning...very happy with the decision to subscibe for home delivery.

    I'm with you...gotta have the local news.

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    the daily paper subscription (none / 0) (#71)
    by CST on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:05:51 PM EST
    is $12 a week (after a 7 week discount) and it comes with online access.  That's way too much for me, so it's either online or nothing.

    It's funny, I won't do online books yet, but I actually prefer my news that way.  I find newspapers awkward.

    I dunno, there is so much free stuff availible online it's hard to justify paying that much.  But at the same time, I want that content and it does support journalism jobs.  I should probably just suck it up.  There is only one alternative publication - the Herald - and it's a joke.

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    Me too. I get the Sentinel delivered (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:22:35 PM EST
    every morning, even though it gets thinner and thinner all the time. The habit of reading a real paper over breakfast is just too ingrained to give up.  My online ADD would kick in and I would miss a lot of local stuff if I switched to reading online int he morning.

    I miss my days of spending the whole morning and half the week with the Sunday LA Times back in the 80s. I'm sure that is no longer possible either, the way papers have deteriorated.

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    Or, as my goddaughter once commented, (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:32:45 PM EST
    do you still re LAT all day on Sunday?  I read it for free on line now.  Not nearly as enjoyable as sorting the sections in the order I liked to read them and then plunging in.

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    I don't carry a laptop... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:40:05 PM EST
    or smartphone do-hickey, so if I wanna read on the move, or in the lunchroom, I need that paper.

    As well as the crinkling of paper and the smell of fresh ink being ingrained in me as well...as long as they print them, I'm gonna buy them.  

    Rolling Stone too...new issue showed up last night.  Best Christmas present I get every year is my Rolling Stone subscription.

    And books...gotta have real books.  Too much radiation and gadgets requiring a power source as it is:)

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    Daily paper reader here, too. (none / 0) (#85)
    by caseyOR on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 01:31:29 PM EST
    I still get the dead tree edition delivered every day. It's an old habit. I have always had the paper delivered. My dad was a reporter for the daily in our city. It's is kind of bred into me.

    Also, I find that I miss stories when i read the paper online. With the paper and ink edition I can skim each page for stories, and I never miss anything. With online, I can't really skim, and I miss stuff. Plus, I like the feel of holding the paper, turning the pages.

    Still, our paper here is getting worse and worse, smaller and smaller. And they keep raising the subscription rate. Less newspaper for more money. It's almost like they want us to drop the paper so they can stop publishing the paper and ink edition.

    Oh, well. I'll stick with it as long as I can.

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    Excellent point... (none / 0) (#87)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 01:39:01 PM EST
    By the end of the day I've flipped through the paper cover to cover 2,3,4 times...you do miss a lot online.

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    Chris Matthews is out there (none / 0) (#56)
    by brodie on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 10:46:16 AM EST
    heavily promoting his new book on JFK.  Anyone here going to buy and read it?  I actually agreed with Chris's piece in Time this week (excerpted at dKos) recommending that O needed to emulate some of the Kennedy approach if he wants another term, but from what I know of this book I think I'll take a pass.

    Particularly after reading that he totally believes dubious sources on Kennedy like Ben Bradlee, and the odd story he reports (CM was a big Nixon backer as an adolescent in 1960) almost blaming JFK for Nixon's makeup disaster intheir first debate (per Howie Fineman article at HuffPo).  And Matthews isn't exactly known for his ability to analyze deeply.  Skim the surface quickly and move on is the Matthews style.

    In a word, no. (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:24:40 PM EST
    I do recommend the book of the Jackie Kennedy tape transcripts though. That is really interesting. Only the gossipy stuff got widely reported. Unlike Chris Matthews, she was a very astute observer of people and events.

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    denizen of the shallows.. (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 01:50:53 PM EST
    Matthews is. Which seems, these days, to be one of the primary requirements for occupying the position he does. Parroting some variation of recieved opinion. And when they say Arthur Schlesinger told David McCulloch, you know they're getting deep..

    If you haven't read The Red and The Black, I suggest you read that before Matthews. Time is short.

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    How did Politico get actual (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:03:41 AM EST
    documents from one of the settlements against Cain?

    A better question (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:05:45 AM EST
    If I signed a nondisclosure agreement I couldn't show Politico the documents from that settlement could I?

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    Nope. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:31:52 AM EST
    I put a link to Charles Pierce someplace (none / 0) (#91)
    by ruffian on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 05:35:31 PM EST
    He says the Restaurant Association, who was party to the suits, is run my some prominent GOPers....he speculates they decided it was time to let the air out of the Cain balloon.

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    I read your link (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 05:42:40 PM EST
    Before I focused mostly on that I just wanted to clear it with some legal eagles that it was unlikely anyone can claim it was one of the women who blew the whistle on him.  They keep bringing up in the press that they are adamant about protecting the identities of the women involved.

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    Attorney Bennett who represents one of (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 09:43:07 PM EST
    the Cain accusers said tonight that it is his understanding that all of this was leaked out of the restaurant association.

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    I really enjoyed Peter Sellars' (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 11:31:32 AM EST
    produced "Desdemona."  Had never heard of either the actress or the Mali singer.  Have you?  Tina Benko and Rokia Traoré

    Halloween for Adults was Saturday... (none / 0) (#72)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:08:23 PM EST
    Had a green Halloween party based on my new found fondness of Absinthe.  My friend's girl does spray make-up for weddings and spray tanning.  She sprayed me a luminescent green.  I got some yellow cat eye contacts.  

    It was freaky enough that my dogs were barking at me.  I have an old tux with tails that I wore with what I would call a mat hatter style hat.  I also use a large bat instead of a bow tie, it was from my Jack Skellington costume I did a few years ago.

    The Green Devil.

    The best was my Asian friend dressed up as 'The Whale' from the DirectTV commercial, my other friend was Coco the Panda and their girlies were the bikini girls.  The Whale Don't Hesitate.  Bit of inside joke stuff that went over well at the party, plus the commercial is racist as hell and yet is a perfect depiction.  A bit of a puzzler.

    We went out later and as broke as the country is, everyone had the bucks to dress up.  Easily one of the busiest Halloweens I can remember.  It was a little irritating to see the number of people dressed as 'dirty hippies' carrying OWS signs.

    A group of Berkeley citizen police (none / 0) (#83)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 01, 2011 at 12:36:49 PM EST
    volunteers got on BART at Berkeley DT station, as di lots of costumed young guys, who immed. started razzing the uniformed volunteers, who responded with, Occupy That.  Very funny.  Cheerful crowd.

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