Pizza Delivery Guy Calls Cops on Customer For Smoking Pot

By Jeralyn, Section Media
Posted on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 01:22:28 AM EST
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Medical marijuana is legal in Colorado, as the result of a constitutional amendment passed in 2000. In 2005, Denver passed an ordinance legalizing adult possession of up to an ounce of medical marijuana. Because the state has not followed suit, and still criminalizes non-medical possession by a $100 fine, in 2007, Denver passed an ordinance designating private adult marijuana possession the city's "lowest law enforcement priority." A city panel was to be created to ensure the ordinance was implemented "to the greatest extent possible."

Papa John's is a local pizza delivery company. On Friday night, a customer who lived in Aurora, a city next to Denver, ordered a pizza from Papa Johns. The delivery guy called the police after dropping off the pizza because he smelled marijuana at the house. The delivery guy said he was concerned because the man's daughter was in the house.

The customer had a valid medical marijuana card. The Aurora police came to his house on a child welfare check. They searched his house. No charges were filed. Papa John's says their delivery guy did the right thing. [More...]

"Papa John's of Colorado wants to stand behind the decision that this delivery driver made. He was acting as a concerned citizen and for what he believes was the best interests of our community."

It is not illegal for medical marijuana patients to smoke pot at home. They aren't required to choose between being a live-in parent and a pot smoker. If this had happened in Denver, as opposed to Aurora, would police have reacted the same way? Maybe yes, maybe no, but clearly they shouldn't. How ridiculous that a few blocks separates what's appropriate and inappropriate police action.

In addition, with companies like Papa John's backing up such actions by their employees, no one is really safe, so long as police can claim marijuana justifies a "welfare check."

What's the answer? The state of Colorado needs to pass a full legalization bill like Denver did. There's one in the works that hopefully will be on the ballot next November, called the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Initiative. A signature drive is in progress.

Here is the text of the initiative. It makes the adult use of marijuana legal and establishes a system in which marijuana is regulated and taxed similarly to alcohol. It also allows for the cultivation of industrial hemp. In other words, it removes all legal penalties for personal possession of up to one ounce of marijuana and for the home-growing of up to six marijuana plants, similar to the number allowed under current medical marijuana laws.

If passed, Colorado will be the first state in the nation to fully legalize adult use of marijuana. Under federal law, while it's still a misdemeanor to possess marijuana, it is not a crime to use it.

If you live in Colorado, help make it happen, and prevent the Papa John's of the state from causing more disruption in the lives of law-abiding residents. Otherwise, the next house receiving that knock on the door could be yours.

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Pizza Delivery Guy Calls Cops on Customer For Smoking Pot | 52 comments (52 topical)

I'm worried about... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:51:17 AM EST

the pizza guy's kids, those poor children...jeez, what a d*ck.

Not that I'd ever eat the swill Papa John's calls pizza in the first place, but this is grounds for a boycott. I think their customers want pizza, not a nanny.

Make up your mind Papa J, sh*tty pizza man or sleazy informer man.

How did he know what pot smelled like? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by republicratitarian on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:01:49 AM EST

C'mon dog, my friend (none / 0) (#25)
by NYShooter on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:06:42 AM EST

leave the boy out of it. He don't count.

He could just be a Norman Rockwell bible thumper doing what he's been programmed to do.

save the ire for the other end of his leash.

imo, of course


Personal responsibility... (none / 0) (#26)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:13:28 AM EST

Shooter...this kinda ignorant bootlicker crap can cause great harm to a child, not to mention society at large.

Inviting police and/or child services into people's lives without just grounds is downright cruel in my book, whether by ignorance or malice.


Hey, I hear ya (none / 0) (#36)
by NYShooter on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:08:54 AM EST

you're preaching to the choir.

Just sayin, the kid's a pimple....programmed and trained. Like most who are raised in intolerant surroundings, the ability to think for themselves has been beaten out of them. Doing good means doing what you're told.

Now, the ones doing the programming, whoa! don't let them get within 100 yards of me. Wouldn't be pretty.


I hear ya... (none / 0) (#37)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:23:02 AM EST

easy for me to say and judge I guess, I had good parents who knew well enough to de-program their children!

Maybe child services shoulda checked out pizza boy's parents...never mind, now I sound like the arsehole:)


: off topic, I'll be brief (none / 0) (#38)
by NYShooter on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:38:03 AM EST

How's your mom, kdog?
I know, I'm a butt mutt....didn't get back to you about the SS thing. No excuses, but its been nuts for me the last two months.
She still need some help/advice/info?
Everything's cool with me now. Let me know.
I mean it!
,,,,,,,,and now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
Thanks for the indulgence, BTD

Papa John's is full of rats (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by scribe on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:58:48 AM EST

the human kind, that is, and they don't deserve anyone's business.

Speaking as a former Domino's delivery driver, I can say we ran into pot-smoking all the time. It was a major source of our late-night business. We even devised ways of screening out the ones who sounded too stoned to remember placing the order or would have been sleeping by the time we arrived. And then there were the delivery addresses with the unlighted-stairwell and armor-plated door, where you never saw the recipient's face, just the cash. Everyone knew they were dealers. Other places with clouds of smoke wafting out when they answered to accept delivery, and offering us a toke while they collected the money. (I passed, but thanked them for their generous offer.) Hell, some of our drivers were burning rope in their cars - as opposed to tobacco smokers like me - while rushing to make their deliveries. (My stint was in the middle of the Reagan administration, so I'm sure that part of the job has changed since.)

This tool in a Papa John's hat hurt the business, and the franchisee's backing his rat-dom and encouraging more of the same, should result in all right-thinking pizza buyers getting theirs elsewhere.

LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:03:06 AM EST

one of my roomates actually did that recently, ordered chicken parm heros and fell asleep on the delivery guy...speaking of bad form.

But he made amends, went up to the pizza shop and insited on paying for them the next day, with a fat tip.


: That's just a sketch of the stories (none / 0) (#41)
by scribe on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 12:26:39 PM EST

from delivering pizzas.
There were the couples ordering a pizza and then deciding to get jiggy before the delivery got there.
Payday night at the big industrial plants, back when there still were industrial plants.
Payday night at the big industrial plants, with snow added on.
Snowy football Sundays.
College dorm calls.
The family of thieves, where mom or dad would open the door, one of their little rugrats would grapb the pie and run, and then the parent would slam the door.
And so on.
I only worked there about 4 or 5 months, but I made some memories.

I ran into a lot of pot smoking, too, (none / 0) (#47)
by jpe on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:04:40 PM EST

when I delivered pizza. It was about 50/50 customers / fellow drivers.


Tipping (none / 0) (#2)
by RustedView on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:12:27 AM EST

Just a thought, I wonder if the guy got stiffed on a tip, and figured he'd get back at the customer by calling the cops.

Playing devilk advocate (none / 0) (#4)
by nyjets on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:22:59 AM EST

It is also possible the guy was concerned this place contained heavy drug use and was concerned for the kid. There was no way for him to know that the guy was a legitmate drug user.


IMO (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by CST on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:54:17 AM EST

pot is not "heavy drug use".

When I see someone drinking a beer, I do not generally assume they are also using other drugs. I don't see why the same logic wouldn't apply here. Especially since the state has relatively lax rules.

As a pizza delivery business model, you probably don't want to antagonize people who smoke pot. I imagine they make up a significant percentage of the pizza eating customer base.

I don't really blame the delivery guy, there is a certain cultural stigma to "illegal" and he probably just doesn't know better. That's why we need to change the laws. So people stop reacting to it like it is the same thing as heroin.


A couple of things (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by me only on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:14:17 AM EST

Drinking a beer does not mean that the child is absorbing any alcohol. What the effects of second hand pot smoke?

I don't blame the pizza delivery guy. For all we know he is an out of state college student who was concerned for the safety of a child.


second hand cigarette smoke (none / 0) (#42)
by CST on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 04:16:46 PM EST

doesn't get child services called on you.

Neither, for that matter, does living near an interstate highway or a wastewater treatment plant (talk about smelling like $hit).

And yes, all of those can cause damage.


Second hand cigarette (none / 0) (#49)
by me only on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 08:46:28 AM EST

smoke isn't illegal. Interstates are not illegal. Waste water treatment plants are not illegal.


: are we talking (none / 0) (#50)
by CST on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 09:58:52 AM EST

about the health of a child here or just ranting?
Because I really don't care.
Have you ever driven 2 mph over the speed limit? Because that's more likely to kill a child and it's illegal. But I wouldn't call the cops/child services on you for that either. YMMV.

Gotta disagree... (none / 0) (#7)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:58:56 AM EST

Everybody and anybody under 70 damn well better know better...I'll maybe give somebody who was 20 when "Reefer Madness" was released a break, otherwise it's very bad form, no excuses.


couple things (none / 0) (#9)
by CST on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:03:09 AM EST

we don't know anything about this pizza delivery guy.

If he's anything like most of the pizza delivery guys in my hood - he may not be from this country, he may be new to this country, and he may have grown up - even in this country - in a place where the culture was less lax.

Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here. I do know some people under 70 with that perception. They tend to be foreign.


You're far too kind... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:17:48 AM EST

Maybe reefer is more frowned upon in a select few other cultures, but in many more it is no big deal, as it should be. What culture(s) are you thinking of, Japanese or Thai?

Sh*t being a rat-fink informer over something so innocuous is frowned upon in any culture worth a damn...it's like droppin' a dime for jaywalking for god's sake.


Not About the Driver... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:17:38 AM EST

... this is about the cops over-reacting. For all we know the driver is a kid whose parents have brainwashed him into thinking... whatever.

We cannot have cops showing up on tips from 'concerned citizens' for christ sake. Tips are tips, not search warrants. They should be evaluated, not taken as fact. This reminds of that coward on the plane who grew a pair, acting on his own distorted facts, which were obviously wrong as wrong could be. I am tired of cops not doing what they are paid to do.

They are basically saying anyone who has access to your home is a reliable enough source to send in the the real cops, that is unacceptable.

The market should correct this BS. If I were say Pizza Hut, I would start a campaign something like "Our drivers will not invade your privacy". Not saying pizza eaters are of a certain group, well yes I am saying that 'MM' users like pizza, a lot, and cashing in on Papa John's stupidity would seem like the smart play here. Go global, enough is enough with the concerned idiots.


The cops (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by jbindc on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:22:15 AM EST

Did a child welfare check and left. They ARE paid to do that. How do you think child welfare checks happen? Based on tips. Would you not have them accept any tips if a delivery man saw someone living in filth with a child in the house then?

You can think the guy has a right to his pot for medical uses, but someone was concerned for a child - and since pot is not good for anyone (as chemicals being ingested into your lungs is never good, despite what groups like NORML want to tell you), it is definitely not good for a child.

This is such a non-story.


So, does smelling tobacco (none / 0) (#19)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:37:30 AM EST

smoke and seeing beer cans get the police called?

Slippery slope anyone??


Actually that is apple and oranges (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by nyjets on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:49:26 AM EST

Smoking pot is illegal. Smoking cigarette and drinking beer is not. If a person does witness what he or she believes to be illegal that person should report it to the police.


Give it up (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by NYShooter on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:02:00 AM EST

for Christ's sake.

This is great, this is what its come to.

They steal our jobs, our homes, and our dignity.

Oh, and they just blow a whistle, and we start ripping each other's throats apart.

Go on, be a clown for them.

Not me, not now, not ever.


Is that how you live? (none / 0) (#27)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:27:07 AM EST

Do you call the police everytime you witness illegal activity? If yes, how do you make it through the day without calling 911 100 times?


I dont (none / 0) (#29)
by nyjets on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:35:52 AM EST

I have not seen illegal activity , or at least what I do not beleive was illegal activity. I do not want to live in a crime infested community.
And yes, if I saw illegal activity. I would call the police. Espically if I saw lives on the line.


: Do me a favor... (none / 0) (#31)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:42:54 AM EST

don't move to my neighborhood! :)
And stay away from Manhattan's financial district, talk about a crime infested community.

: nyjets (none / 0) (#34)
by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:04:26 AM EST

Has never witnessed a speeder or a jaywalker or an underage drinker. Why don't I believe you. All crimes you didn't report, or do you mean real crimes, but, but, MM smoking is legal, but, but... Save your I live in Wonderland euphoria, you don't.
But that isn't the point, the point is the cops should have more proof than a tip, what if I tell them you are dealing crack, what would you expect? I would expect an investigation that would lead to the conclusion that I am not. I do not expect them to show up and prove I am not dealing crack.
And prescription medication is what this is, do I have to fear taking my asthma meds or how about oxy when the pizza guy shows up and my nephew is in town. It is illegal if I don't have a script, but the pizza guy shouldn't be making that call, nor should the police. That is beyond stupid, much like the police action in this case. I, like you, like this guy, have a right to feel secure in my home, and like everyone keeps forgetting, he didn't break the law.
And in case you don't know, it's not illegal to take any drug, including smoking, it's illegal to posses them. Not the same, so quite saying it is.
And again, MM smoke is cool so long as the smoke is the legal kind, if it had been illegal smoke, even though the smoke is the exact same, this would have been a very different outcome. That is beyond insanity, it's rightwing moronic twists of logic that one must make. But the children, right, this is about the kids, not the MM smokers ? Sure it is. Somehow illegal smoke is bad, and legal smoke is fine, WTF ?
'Better safe than sorry' is grandma's motto in regards to crossing the street, not exactly how the law in this country is exercised. That could mean rounding everyone up and only letting people out that can prove they aren't criminals. It's a rather dumb thing to say in regards to cops showing up at a law abiding citizen's home.

The issue is child abuse (none / 0) (#30)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:42:48 AM EST

or that's how it is framed.

Second hand smoke??? Bad. Lung cancer, COPD, heart issues...etc.

Alcoholism? Bad. I mean, how would the delivery person know that the person will not get falling down drunk, pass out with a lit cigarette and burn the house down??

Better safe than sorry!

I'll say it again. The desire to control us runs across party lines. The Right wants in our bedrooms and the Left wants to tell us what a "healthy life style" is.

The pizza delivery person is just a symptom of a long term and ever spreading disease.


Well said Jim... (none / 0) (#32)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:48:41 AM EST

I grew up in a second hand smoke household with an alcoholic, and wouldn't trade it for another upbringing in all the world...my parents were and are the best a kid could ever hope for...tons of love, always clothed, always fed. So dad drank too much and both mom and dad smoked like chimneys, big deal...they were perfect in every way that matters.


Kdog, read my comment again. (none / 0) (#33)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:00:38 AM EST

The issue is child abuse (none / 0) (#30)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:42:48 AM CST

Gotcha the first time... (none / 0) (#35)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:06:04 AM EST

And I am grateful no nosy moron invited the authoritarian nannys (right and left) into our happy home.

Even back then, in less authoritarian times, my moms was so concerned about child services when I had a run of "boys will be boys" emergency room visits that she gave a false name, lest a nurse or doc thought I was being abused. I busted my leg, my arm, and my eye socket within 12 months. It is worse today.


This typical of (none / 0) (#39)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:47:43 AM EST

the road to hell being paved with good intentions. People don't know where to stop and when government starts paying people money and funding agencies the good intentions become worse and worse.

I give you MADD and the EPA as just two examples of what started off good and has now decided to control us for our own "good."

And the scary thing is, it's both sides. It was a Repub who decided we had to use CFL light bulbs.. and the EPA let it happened even though CFL's have Mercury.

What's next?? Well, the Dane's just instituted a "fat" tax on milk, butter and some meats. Can't happen here?? Why not? We all know fat is bad for you. San Fran doesn't want you to have your male child circumcised even though it is a religious requirement for Jews.

: Indeed... (none / 0) (#40)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 11:55:06 AM EST

"road to hell..." is the exact analogy here.
There is some ugliness we must be willing to accept, lest we can no longer call ourselves free, and we find out what true ugliness is, a greater tyranny.

I grew up with smokers and a drunk (none / 0) (#44)
by caseyOR on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 05:15:18 PM EST

for a father. I have to say, I wish my Dad, who was a mean and violent drunk, had been a pothead instead.

Given that I was brutally beaten by my father on a regular basis and often went to school with welts caused by his belt running up and down the backs of my legs, I definitely fall on the side of reporting parents for abuse. Sadly for me, no one ever reported my Dad. No one even asked me about my bruised and beaten body. So, I am a big supporter of any and all efforts to get people to report their suspicions of child abuse.

That said, how one defines abuse is critical. If the delivery guy had seen bruises and welts on the child, if the house was a pig sty (not messy or dusty, but filled with garbage), if there was any indication of molestation, then making the call to the police should have been a no-brainer. Evidence of marijuana, however, does not rise to the level of child abuse or neglect.

A sad fact of our country these days is that I'm willing to bet a report of actual physical abuse or appallingly filthy conditions would not have inspired the cops to head out to that house with such haste. No, they might have filed a report with child services, or maybe just told the pizza guy to call child services, but they would not have rushed to the home.


: Jesus.... (none / 0) (#48)
by kdog on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 07:29:44 AM EST

that is terrible Cap'n, a testament to you that you were able to overcome such childhood horror and be the gem you are.
My dad could get mean when he was hittin' the sauce hard, more so to my mom, but never laid an angry finger on me. He was my hero, warts and all, and truly a great father.
I agree way back in the day signs of domestic and child abuse were ignored far too often, but I fear we've swung the pendulum too far the other way with hyper-reporting and "spy on your neighbors" culture that leads to good parents being investigated and hassled because of some dime dropper. I've read horror stories of kids being removed from loving if unconventional homes, which is a form of traumatic child abuse all its own. Barring severe abuse or neglect children belong with their parents. State custody is no prize either. No easy answers.

: CaseyOR (none / 0) (#54)
by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 01:12:38 PM EST

Man sorry to hear that, and I agree with what you are saying 100%. Including this:

A sad fact of our country these days is that I'm willing to bet a report of actual physical abuse or appallingly filthy conditions would not have inspired the cops to head out to that house with such haste. No, they might have filed a report with child services, or maybe just told the pizza guy to call child services, but they would not have rushed to the home.
And as I mentioned earlier without a reply form the 'all for it' crowd. Why does the legalness of the smoke make a difference. If kids are present, apparently in Colorado, they will come and if the smoke was bought legally, they will leave. One has to assume because they went there, that had it been illegal smoke, the outcome would have been different.
Pretty sure if they cared about the welfare of the child, the legalness of the smoke would not have mattered.

That's about... (none / 0) (#22)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:59:06 AM EST

the only exception to the "mind your own damn business" rule I can think of, if the pizza guy saw a kid who was being beaten, molested, or not being fed.

Smelling ganja? Gimme a break, the guy is a moron and has no business working in the service industry. It's not only totally uncool, but dangerous to the welfare of the child.


jb, That is BS and You Know It (none / 0) (#28)
by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:35:44 AM EST

They investigate tips so people aren't using the police department and child services to wage personal vendettas.

Comparing the smell of MM to witnessing child neglect is a stretch even for the most starch anti-MM crowd.

So now I should worry about taking my asthma meds or drinking beer in front of the pizza guy when my nephew visits, or are we focusing in on one particular drug, because that sure as hell seems like what's happening.

Oh, and by the way, since it's legal now apparently pot smoke is OK, only if it was illegal pot would there be a concern here. Stupid, stupid, stooooooopid.

Maybe this clown can start calling in cigarette smokers, for the kids of course, not to be some pseudo-neighborhood watch wanna be. The children, think of the children....


Operation TIPS (none / 0) (#13)
by RustedView on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:35:16 AM EST

Does everyone remember "OPERATION TIPS"

From Wikipedia

Operation TIPS, where the last part is an acronym for the Terrorism Information and Prevention System, was a domestic intelligence-gathering program designed by President George W. Bush to have United States citizens report suspicious activity. The program's website implied that US workers who had access to private citizens' homes, such as cable installers and telephone repair workers, would be reporting on what was in people's homes if it were deemed "suspicious."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_TIPS


: Oh yes... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:45:40 AM EST

Operation Orwell, remember it well.
My culture wouldn't touch that sh*t with a twenty foot pole.

This is an interesting discussion. (none / 0) (#43)
by oculus on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 04:21:43 PM EST

I asked my daughter, who delivered pizza for awhile w/i recent memory, if she was ever asked to sell the customer mj. Many times.


I was thinking the same thing (none / 0) (#11)
by ruffian on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:26:25 AM EST

really bad business strategy for Papa John's.


Snitches (none / 0) (#45)
by MKS on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:25:09 PM EST

Not cool.

Child endangerment?

What about someone with a an open sixpack of beer?


: Or listening to Limbaugh (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by NYShooter on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 12:32:08 PM EST

They actually levitate 4 inches,
and start talking in tongues.
That can't be good:)

What is the average tip on a pizza delivery (none / 0) (#12)
by ruffian on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:28:17 AM EST

About $3? I hope that was not the motivation.


: A friend of mine... (none / 0) (#15)
by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 08:46:37 AM EST

who was in food delivery said some of the best tips he ever got were invites into the cypher.

They should change their slogan. (none / 0) (#46)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:49:11 PM EST

Papa John's...lousy ingredients, lousy pizza, lousy snitches.

What were they thinking (none / 0) (#51)
by comedywriter on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 10:49:48 AM EST

Pot smokers and beer drinkers make up 30% of Pappa John's customer demographic. I order at least 40 pizzas a year from Papa Johns but not anymore. I don't smoke pot because I cannot write when I am high, but I have friends who do. I am taking my business to Dominos where they respect the constitution of the United States. They should go ahead a fire the guy. It's not like he can ever go on a delivery again. There are too many people waiting to kick his ass.

: Since you're a comedy writer (none / 0) (#53)
by shoephone on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 12:50:00 PM EST

I'll take your promise to start buying from Domino's as a joke... considering that the owner of Domino's is a pro-life whack-job.

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