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Happy Hanukah Open Thread

Menorahs around the globe are lit tonight-- There were major ceremonies in New York and Washington .

Whatever day you begin celebrating, we wish you all a joyous holiday season.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    top Chanukah parenting tip (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by desmoinesdem on Tue Dec 20, 2011 at 11:21:54 PM EST
    Buy extra boxes of the cheap candles. Most likely your kids will want to help load the menorahs, and most likely they will break some candles along the way...

    Counting my blessing (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by koshembos on Tue Dec 20, 2011 at 11:41:29 PM EST
    Good time to celebrate the lights on the tree, the menorah and anywhere else we wish to light. Hope 2012 will better for the poor and unemployed, the sick, those in war zones and hope to look forward to a better future for the earth of which we live.

    Happy holidays to all.

    Around this time in 1970... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 08:22:30 AM EST
    ...my parents were in the last stretch of their brief marriage, and my father decided to rededicate himself to Judaism.  Thus, we spent an afternoon driving around east L.A. county searching for the perfect tumbleweed to use as a Hanukkah bush.  I remember my dad chasing down what he determined to be the perfect specimen.  He ran after the somersaulting ball of thistles for a full city block, luckily taken up back then by nothing more than a vacant lot.  As such, none of my friends could have spotted my dad in his embarrassing pursuit.  I need to go through my old photos, but I'm certain there's an old black & white of a young me placing an ornament on a tumbleweed.

    Not many memories of my parents as a couple, but this one is still clear, forty plus years later.

    Peace, y'all.  Off to play some tournament poker today, I think.

    A holiday laugh... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 01:37:46 PM EST
    While Bloomy & Kelly were cracking heads at Liberty Plaza, Santa and his helpers were on a bender. The poor residents of South Street Seaport were left defenseless with no one to pepper spray the jolly fat man.  A regular Christmas Nightmare!

    "The mayor put so much power on Occupy Wall Street, he had Downtown under lock and key -- but he forgot about Santa," said Ann DeFalco, a member of Community Board 1's Seaport/Civic Center Committee, at a meeting Monday night.

    Bill O'Reilly should be all over this in his next "War on Christmas" segment;)

    You have the right to free speech... (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 09:08:39 AM EST
    provided, of course, you're not dumb enough to actually try it in front of the courthouse, advocating for jury nullification...NY Federal Persecutors have a big problem with this, and will charge you with jury tampering and cage your arse up.

    Another scalp trumps constitutional rights...outrageous.

    Kdog, you might be interested (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 09:57:46 AM EST
    in the Fully Informed Jury Association.  Their whole raison d'être is to inform potential jurors (and others) about our rights of jury nullification.  I've supported them for years.

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    God bless 'em... (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 10:13:19 AM EST
    Jury nullification is a persecutor's inconvenient truth...people power in action.  Gotta love it.

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    Sure jury nullification is wonderfull (none / 0) (#15)
    by nyjets on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 10:35:33 AM EST
    Jury nullification is great if you want to live in a society where laws are ignored.
    Just tell that to an African-American after a jury refuses to convict someone because the victim was black and the defendent was white.
    There is nothing good with jury nullification. We may as well live in anarchy (and anarchy is as bad as tyranny).

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    Much like the law itself... (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 11:03:01 AM EST
    jury nullification can be good, and it can be bad...it all depends on the particulars of the case and the law being enforced.

    One thing for sure....jury nullification is 100% legal.  As a law and order guy shouldn't you respect that?

     

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    Actually I believe that is incorrect (none / 0) (#17)
    by nyjets on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 11:18:14 AM EST
    Jury nullification is not legal. A jury can choose to ignore the law,evidence, etc and render whatever verdict they want but jury nullification itself is not legal.
    And in all cases jury nullification is wrong. It is not the jury jobs to decide if a law is good or bad or to ignore the evidence. It is the job of the jury to make the correct verdict based on the evidence and the law.

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    Justice Scalia... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 11:25:41 AM EST
    of all people disagrees with you.  

    The ultimate purpose of courts and trials is justice.  When the law itself is unjust, juries of conscience must act.

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    More than Scalia disagrees with him, kdog (none / 0) (#19)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 02:07:46 PM EST
    At the time the Constitution was written, the definition of the term "jury" referred to a group of citizens empowered to judge both the law and the evidence in the case before it. Then, in the February term of 1794, the Supreme Court conducted a jury trial in the case of the State of Georgia vs. Brailsford1. The instructions to the jury in the first jury trial before the Supreme Court of the United States illustrate the true power of the jury. Chief Justice John Jay said: "It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still both objects are within your power of decision." (emphasis added) "...you have a right to take it upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy".

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    Beautiful. (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 20, 2011 at 09:41:42 PM EST


    Hate to spoil a peaceful mostly Hanukah thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 09:27:39 AM EST
    but Charlie Pierce has a good piece about childhood arrest rates. I'm sure it does not surprise Jeralyn, but I was shocked.

    What Pierce does not mention is the expense to the families. I know there are great public defenders and other lawyers who charge reasonable rates, but still, keeping your son out of jail for a stupid stunt can be expensive. Ask my sister.

    Just really sad so many kids are so well aquainted with the criminal justice system.

    Can't say I'm surprised... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 09:45:39 AM EST
    at the 41% number...I told y'all I am of the police state generation, where if you don't have an arrest record by the time you're 23 you're either a damn lucky s.o.b. or you're really strange in a Stepford kinda way.  

    Somewhat related...former police chief says drug laws harm more teens than pot does.

    Another one the police state generation calls a no-brainer...

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    True, you have told us (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 10:42:08 AM EST
    I didn't realize it was so widespread. Ugh.

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    It is the new... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 21, 2011 at 11:08:12 AM EST
    rite-of-passage into adulthood for American youth.

    But to keep hopeful for this holiday thread, kids will adapt and get sneakier in the age of over-criminalization...of this I have little doubt;)

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    Obama goes Christmas shopping (none / 0) (#11)
    by lilburro on Thu Dec 22, 2011 at 12:46:02 AM EST
    I was charmed.  CBS.  It is funny to see the President (or any father, really) grappling with the intricacies of shopping for video games.