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But is there something especially politically symbolic or meaningful about the form-fitting white hood he's wearing, or is it just Tom's idea for outfitting Obama the cartoon figure? Parent
Take a few deep breaths first and put all sharp objects out of reach...
And yet, at the midway point of Barack Obama's first term, Geithner is the lone remaining member of the president's original economic team and arguably the administration's second-most valued official. Indeed, that the White House was willing to let him face down Issa is only the latest sign of a rather remarkable transformation. (Issa ultimately blinked.) Geithner owns the economic portfolio with China and has been tasked with confronting Republicans over the nation's debt limit. He has taken the lead on corporate tax reform and overhauling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. With his former lieutenant, Gene Sperling, now running the National Economic Council, Geithner will no longer form part of the multiheaded "war cabinet" that included Sperling's predecessor, Larry Summers. He is set to play the first-among-equals role of a traditional treasury secretary. [snip] For all the turmoil he'd kicked up in the outside world, the striking thing about Geithner's early days in Washington was how popular he was within Obamaland itself. "From the inside, it didn't feel like he ever lost his footing," says one transition staffer. With the cable dial still squawking over his tax mishaps, a group of incoming White House aides unofficially voted him "best all-around Cabinet member," high school yearbook-style. Daily White House staff meetings featured a joking banter between Geithner and Axelrod over such topics as his apocryphal tour at Goldman and the approximate date of his future firing. (Sample Geithner response: "I hope they do it soon.") [snip] Perhaps most important, Geithner was scrupulously attuned to the temperament of the boss. Like Obama, he evinced a strong aversion to blather. During meetings with the president, he would say little, and usually not until the end, when his opinion was solicited. "I thought [Geithner] got the president really well," says a former administration official who interacted with him on nonfinancial matters. "When he was in trouble, I said to someone, `He just needs to hold on. He'll be fine with Obama. Once they get to know each other, they're like the same person.'"
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For all the turmoil he'd kicked up in the outside world, the striking thing about Geithner's early days in Washington was how popular he was within Obamaland itself. "From the inside, it didn't feel like he ever lost his footing," says one transition staffer. With the cable dial still squawking over his tax mishaps, a group of incoming White House aides unofficially voted him "best all-around Cabinet member," high school yearbook-style. Daily White House staff meetings featured a joking banter between Geithner and Axelrod over such topics as his apocryphal tour at Goldman and the approximate date of his future firing. (Sample Geithner response: "I hope they do it soon.")
Perhaps most important, Geithner was scrupulously attuned to the temperament of the boss. Like Obama, he evinced a strong aversion to blather. During meetings with the president, he would say little, and usually not until the end, when his opinion was solicited. "I thought [Geithner] got the president really well," says a former administration official who interacted with him on nonfinancial matters. "When he was in trouble, I said to someone, `He just needs to hold on. He'll be fine with Obama. Once they get to know each other, they're like the same person.'"
It's a long article, and reading it didn't change my mind about Geithner, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to change yours, either...
He has a certain view, Obama likes it, agrees with it, and so Geithner speaks for Obama.
This doesn't surprise me at all:
He told me he subscribes to the view that the world is on the cusp of a major "financial deepening": As developing economies in the most populous countries mature, they will demand more and increasingly sophisticated financial services, the same way they demand cars for their growing middle classes and information technology for their corporations. If that's true, then we should want U.S. banks positioned to compete abroad. "I don't have any enthusiasm for ... trying to shrink the relative importance of the financial system in our economy as a test of reform, because we have to think about the fact that we operate in the broader world," he said. "It's the same thing for Microsoft or anything else. We want U.S. firms to benefit from that." He continued: "Now financial firms are different because of the risk, but you can contain that through regulation." This was the purpose of the recent financial reform, he said. In effect, Geithner was arguing that we should be as comfortable linking the fate of our economy to Wall Street as to automakers or Silicon Valley.
"I don't have any enthusiasm for ... trying to shrink the relative importance of the financial system in our economy as a test of reform, because we have to think about the fact that we operate in the broader world," he said. "It's the same thing for Microsoft or anything else. We want U.S. firms to benefit from that." He continued: "Now financial firms are different because of the risk, but you can contain that through regulation." This was the purpose of the recent financial reform, he said. In effect, Geithner was arguing that we should be as comfortable linking the fate of our economy to Wall Street as to automakers or Silicon Valley.
"More and increasingly sophisticated financial services" is a phrase that ought to worry people, but I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with his background and resume, and that he thinks the financial "regulation" passed is enough to contain the kind of risk inherent in "sophisticated financial services" is just too disingenuous for words.
But that's his worldview, and he's sticking to it - and Obama's sticking with him. Parent
When W was elected, I anticipated his economic policies knowing that his view of "the economy" was severely limited by class and self-interest. Perhaps that explains Geithner's blinkered view too.
But what explains Obama's? Parent
When W was elected, I anticipated his economic policies knowing that his view of "the economy" was severely limited by class and self-interest. Perhaps that explains Geithner's blinkered view too. But what explains Obama's?
my guess would be fundamental ignorance of economics & thus dependence on "experts" like Geithner
that & the fact that Obama has always been in Wall Street's pocket Parent
What a joke. Parent
This year everyone got flu shots and response is all over the board, wonder if it would have been a lot worse for Josh without a flu shot? It has only been because we have set an alarm clock at night to make sure he gets Ibuprofen though that we have been able to keep him hydrated. If his fever comes up even a little he starts to vomit and it is very difficult to get on the other side of it. If I wasn't so diligent about making sure his fever stays down I'm certain he would have ended up at the hospital at some point for an I.V.
We are watching The War of the Roses. Josh is fascinated. He just watched Oliver sawing all of the heels off of his wife's shoes and he says to me, "Mommy...mommy, he's doing the worst thing a man can do to his wife :)"
I did not hate it as much as I expected to but it is a pale shadow of the original. what I was hoping for with the american version was that it might do well enough to justify a "prequel". about the "girl" in the story and her long previous life. Parent
this is how bad it is. when I worked there I was giving a talk at a college. a college mind you not a high school. and one of the first things I said was something like "it my job to place all the subliminal sexual messages".
unphased they all nodded with great interest and wanted to know more about how they are chosen. Parent
this place is almost shut down because of the flu. its a ghost town. I had something. it took about three weeks to get it, slowly loosing my voice the whole time, then it finally landed and I was sick for a couple of days.
I got a shot. almost no one here did even tho the company provides the free. idiots. Parent
My husband has only had a headache and sore throat. He is told when he will get flu shots, it isn't a choice for him and he has had one yearly for years and years. I'm grateful though, I was really worried about him because he takes a lot of drugs that knock his immune system down due to his RA. I guess we should all finish our lifetimes out around here getting those flu shots. I never used to though.
I guess it hasn't occurred to many people though that most of us have little or no immunity to the type A flu that is probably with us to stay. Parent
A buncha people have been rocking their cubes sick as dogs, but not I said the blind man:) Parent
I consider flu season a chance to build my immune system naturally.
Most of that comes from the fact that I'm allergic to all of the common antibiotics and a few of the uncommon ones. So I have a "hands off" approach to medicine that's been ingrained in my head since childhood. I tend to avoid taking anything from doctors that I don't consider 100% critical. And I feel like I really need a strong natural immune system so I don't end up having to take antibiotics for something else later.
Whether this works out logically, I don't know, but it's just my gut reaction from years spent being a guinea pig for medicinal science. Parent
Haven't had it in a number of years. Never had a flu shot, don't plan on starting. Nothing to do with fear of needles, though I'm not always quite convinced by govt pronouncements that the shot is safe. Parent
It did hurt terrible, but I had nothing to compare it to to understand that I qualified for emergency care. I didn't even know you could give the dentist an emergency call. It took a lot to numb me up though to start the root canal that first day. I do well remember that :) It is stored in my memory as worse than childbirth :) Parent
I understand taking the risk of the shot if you're high-risk from dying from the flu or something...but for otherwise healthy people I don't see why anybody would wanna take a chance...its just the flu. Nothing I can't kick in a day or two. Parent
From the CDC:
Life-threatening allergic reactions are very rare. Signs of serious allergic reaction can include breathing problems, hoarseness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heartbeat, or dizziness. If they do occur, it is within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot. These reactions are more likely to occur among persons with a severe allergy to eggs, because the viruses used in the influenza vaccine are grown in hens' eggs. People who have had a severe reaction to eggs or to a flu shot in the past should not get a flu shot before seeing a physician.
But you aren't going to get the flu. Parent
What can I say Cap...I'm a specimen, super immunes, must be all the cigs, I don't know. And I'm certainly not gonna let modern medicine screw it up injecting me with sh*t that doesn't give ya a buzz...I'm sorted. Parent
If I ever got that sick I might have to reconsider my knuckleheaded convictions regarding the shot...I can't imagine being that sick...home sick from work always meant exceeding normal usage for me, not abstaining. Parent
apparently he was served at CPAC
yes good thing. even if she loses IMO. Parent
Different standard for suing. Parent
but yes I was being snarky. Parent
A public figure has the added burden of showing the intent of the publisher was to do actual harm ("actual malice") or with reckless disregard for the truth.
(Someone please feel free to chime in to correct or to add to this).
(Now it could probably be well argued that FOX News and pundits of all stripes do this too).
Defamation against a public figure is extremely hard to prove. Parent
So it looks like she'll have a high hurdle of proof to achieve. Not impossible, just very difficult. Parent
See New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964). Parent
I think the public figure area has broadened since Sullivan, and a govt official, as she was, would qualify as a public figure.
Second, as a public official, she was speaking publicly about her experiences in the field and the racial matter, which became the issue that Breitbart took and manipulated.
Third, there's such a thing as an involuntary public figure, basically someone speaking out publicly in their defense, coming forward involuntarily, using the available media, as she did against Breitbart. Parent
John Dean also agrees:
Professor Turley points out the difficulty with respect to Sherrod's succeeding in such a suit: Plaintiffs who are public officials are considered public figures, and held to a different standard. Sherrod appears to be both a public official and a public figure, as an USGA official who has been forced to thrust herself into the spotlight in her own defense.
Price's defamation suit against Stossel was initially disallowed on the grounds that Stossel used the misleading clip to make an accurate point -- that Price is extremely rich. But the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that "the context in which Price's words were presented materially changed the words' meaning." The question now turns to whether Stossel (who now works for Fox Business Network) and his producers knew they were misrepresenting the nature of the clip. If so, Price will be able to argue that their actions constituted "actual malice," something that public figures must establish to prove defamation.
But, we seem to live in a culture that increasingly finds clever ways to protect the brazenly dishonest and punish any who might speak the truth. Parent
An intereseting point:
To this day, Defendant Breitbart publishes these exact same defamatory statements on his website despite his admitted knowledge of the truth. Indeed, he has subsequently stated that he "could care less about Shirley Sherrod," underscoring that Mrs. Sherrod's reputation was, at the very least, expected and acceptable collateral damage to his agenda.
Her attorneys are attacking the presumed Breitbart et al argument that she is a public figure by arguing actual malice:
Angered by the NAACP's claims of racism against the Tea Party, Defendant Breitbart used Mrs. Sherrod to further his own agenda of counter-attacking the NAACP with claims of racism. In doing so, he and his associates acted with actual malice, reckless intent and gross indifference to the false and misleading nature of the edited clip posted on his blog and the effects that the posting would have on Mrs. Sherrod.
The story to me seems terrifying (from the point of view of how big corporations do not fear the courts or the government) and fascinating at the same time.
Majority Report. Parent
Two thirds from the south (old Confederacy plus Kentucky.
The rest split between B1G TEN and Pac12 country.
No surprise for BTD or anyone else who follows college football.
It shows on the field.
Police have told residents to stop putting wire mesh on their garden shed windows - because they could be sued if a burglar is injured.
afraid a already know the answer.
A week before the Jan. 31 deadline for the caregivers act, the president was joined by Michelle Obama and Jill Biden, the vice president's wife, in the East Room of the White House for an event called "Strengthening our Military Families." Addressing the audience, Obama said that "as commander in chief, I am determined to do everything in my power to make sure that we are fulfilling that request from our troops, that we are taking care of their families," citing "more help for those tireless caregivers" among the "major investments" he has made. Three days later, Michelle Obama appeared on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" to discuss what the administration has done for military families and what else it plans to do. "I was a little shocked," Schei said of the talk show appearance. "They're talking about all these programs they are going to do, but they can't even comply with this law."
Addressing the audience, Obama said that "as commander in chief, I am determined to do everything in my power to make sure that we are fulfilling that request from our troops, that we are taking care of their families," citing "more help for those tireless caregivers" among the "major investments" he has made.
Three days later, Michelle Obama appeared on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" to discuss what the administration has done for military families and what else it plans to do.
"I was a little shocked," Schei said of the talk show appearance. "They're talking about all these programs they are going to do, but they can't even comply with this law."
Bragging about something that hasn't been implemented yet. Talk is cheap. He needs to "walk the walk." Parent
I want to go back to Brasil!