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Yoga classes are coming to the Pitkin County jail in Aspen.

The House today passed a spending bill to keep the Government going another three weeks.

Radiation fears are still rising in Japan.

What's on your news radar tonight? Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    How (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:29:57 AM EST
    do governments deal with a spike in the permissible level of radioactivity in the air?

    They raise the permissible level.

    The always to-the-point (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:50:45 AM EST
    Tom Tomorrow weighs in on a few timely issues...

    I don't know whether to laugh, or cry.

    I have (none / 0) (#78)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:50:18 PM EST
    made my decision.

    Cry.

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    Tom needs to get at least one fact straight. (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:18:37 PM EST
    Manning's not really a whistleblower:

    According to one expert:

    "I don't think these qualify as whistleblowing," said Steven Aftergood, a longtime transparency advocate who runs the Federation of American Scientists' Government Secrecy Project. Yes, there were important disclosures from WikiLeaks, such as the documentation of civilian casualties in Afghanistan. But the indiscriminate leaks also may have put at risk many lives, including those of hundreds of Afghans who cooperated with the U.S. military.

    "The approach of grabbing hundreds of thousands of documents and shoveling them into the public domain," said Aftergood, "was needlessly provocative." He added: "It was not exposing misconduct. It was sticking a thumb in the government's eye."

    And of course, under that pesky little thing, known as the United States Code, I don't think Manning could be defined as "whistleblower" ( 10 U.S.C. § 1034 - the "Miitary Whistleblower Protection Act")  This section defines who are whistleblowers and provides protections to members of the Armed Forces who make or prepare to make a lawful communication to a Member of Congress, an Inspector General, or any member of a DoD audit, inspection, investigative or law enforcement organization, and any other person or organization (including any person or organization in the chain of command) designated under Component regulations or other established administrative procedures for such communications concerning a violation of law or regulation, gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public safety.

    I don't think releasing classified documents on the internet would allow a member of the military to successfully claim the legal mantle of "whistleblower".

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    And then there's that pesky thing, (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:36:32 PM EST
    like the fact that hundreds of thousands of documents have not been "shoveled" into the public domain.

    And that other pesky thing, like the fact that the permissible recipients of the documents, in this case, are either (1) the ones who generated the information, or (2) the people who approved of the policies referenced in the information.  I mean, what are the chances anyone's going to hear any whistles being blown?  It's the reason people were so offended by Obama's reporting that he "actually asked" the Pentagon if the procedures being used on Manning were appropriate, and was assured they were - what other answer did he expect to receive from the department responsible?

    If I want to blow the whistle on a private company, I have a lot of options - and while I understand that perhaps the protocol in this case is driven by the nature of what might be revealed, you still have to acknowledge that we have been fighting an uphill battle, with little progress, for years now, trying to get someone, anyone, in these agencies and offices to tell us what the hell is going on.  No one wants to own up to having known about anything we've been doing - they've all shut down to protect their own asses.  We've been lied to over and over and over, up and down the line, so, how would you suggest we obtain any information that might shed some light on what our government is doing in our name?

    Even if we agreed that Manning isn't a whistleblower - and I am sort of surprised how quick you are to declare that he is not, given that we still don't have all the facts - there still is no justification for the conditions under which he is being held.  None.  We don't protect people from harm - if that's their rationale - by subjecting them to harsh treatment.  We don't punish people before they have been tried and convicted - regardless of whether you agree or disagree or approve or not of whatever it is he is being accused of.

    People are engaging in the same how-many-angels-can-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin argument - again - about what is and isn't torture, what does and does not justify it, which pretty much just disgusts me.

    If, as is alleged, Manning delivered a wealth of information to Wikileaks, which has been working on the analysis of that information with its media partners to give it context and understanding, it is generally agreed that the worst that has happened as a result of what has been released is the extreme embarrassment within various departments.

    Manning is serving as an example to anyone who might be considering dropping a dime on the government - in spite of Obama's rhetoric that such people serve a valuable purpose and function within the government.

    Guess that's just one more thing he said, but didn't mean, huh?

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    Sigh (none / 0) (#102)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:35:45 PM EST
    I had this big long diatribe ready to respond to the fact that once again, you want to get on your soapbox and veer off what is actually being discussed. But I erased it, because it's just not worth it.

    I am not discussing Manning's treatment.  I don't care about those discussions anymore because everyone's mind is made up and there is no point in discussion a subject with people who are so firmly entrenched that they can't at least discuss alternatives.

    Yes, you as a private citizen would have more options if you were a whistleblower. I don't think you are in the military -  Manning, on the other hand, IS in the military, and his actions do not seem to comport with the legal definition of what constitutes a military whistleblower.

    There are actually other facets to this case besides how he is or isn't being treated - namely the alleged criminal acts and their potential impacts.

    You may find Manning to be a hero.  I do not.  I find him to be a coward.  Allegedly.


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    It's not either/or for all of us interested in it (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by shoephone on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 07:24:12 PM EST
    For myself, I don't think of Manning as either a hero or a villain (especially since he hasn't been indicted for anything yet). But I am still waiting for someone to prove that lives have been put at risk as a result of the documents leak. Because that charge sounds a whole lot like the fear-mongering, state-secrets nonsense we heard on a daily basis from the Bush administration.

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    Yes, he has (none / 0) (#118)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 01:47:31 PM EST
    For myself, I don't think of Manning as either a hero or a villain (especially since he hasn't been indicted for anything yet).

    I don't know why this misinformation keeps popping up around here.  Wiki has the easiest synopsis:

    He was charged on July 5 under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) with violations of UCMJ Articles 92 and 134 for "transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system in connection with the leaking of a video of a helicopter attack in Iraq in 2007," and "communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source and disclosing classified information concerning the national defense with reason to believe that the information could cause injury to the United States."[

    SNIP

    On March 2, 2011, an additional 22 charges were preferred, including wrongfully obtaining classified material for the purpose of posting it on the Internet, knowing that the information would be accessed by the enemy; the illegal transmission of defense information; fraud; and aiding the enemy. CBS reported that the new charges involved the leaking of the Afghan and Iraq war logs, and a quarter of a million State Department cables; according to ABC News, the charge sheets said Manning had transferred 380,000 records about Iraq, and 90,000 about Afghanistan. In all, CBS said, he is accused of having leaked over half a million documents and two videos. Prosecutors told Manning's lawyers they would not seek the death penalty, though the charge of aiding the enemy is a capital offense. They said if convicted he will face life imprisonment, reduction in rank to the lowest enlisted pay grade, a dishonorable discharge, and loss of pay and allowances.


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    I've never elevated Manning to anything (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 07:41:25 PM EST
    even approaching hero status, but I guess declaring that that's how I regard Manning makes it easier for you to have the argument you want; as far as I'm concerned he is a member of the US military and a US citizen, in the custody of the US government, he has not been convicted of anything, and he is not being treated humanely.  And I'm sorry you have a problem with that point of view.  Really sorry, because you're not the only one who sees things this way, and it signals to me that we are gradually losing some very important principles and practices that are designed to protect all of us from the power of the government.

    There are certainly other facets to this case - no one's denying that - but the issue at hand IS how he is being treated.  And how he is treated shouldn't be determined by what he is accused of doing, or what anyone thinks he did - there's that pesky presumption-of-innocence thing that, for reasons I really cannot understand, you seem determined to pretend is not part of this.

    When and if Manning ever gets a trial - when and if the military completes his psych assessment - maybe enough facts will come out that we can all make a more informed judgment about his guilt; until then, he deserves to be treated humanely, and accorded a presumption of innocence.

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    As to the "whistleblower" aspect (none / 0) (#108)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 07:29:58 PM EST
    Speaking only to the matter of action defining a "whistleblower:"  There is a legal distinction between providing information in permissible ways that leads to uncovering waste, fraud, abuse, and other illegalities in government and acting in such a way as to violaate laws in order to release information. While it can be difficult, there are ways to obtain whistleblower status (and there is a growing body of law surrounding it within government operations.) One thing that whistleblowing is not: It is not allegedly violating specific laws governing document release in order later to claim whistleblower status. (A friend of mine--a water & gas expert-- obtained status by going through the hoops, and was quite effective in officially getting out info on some troubling gas-sweetening operations in the West...operations favored by the then VP. There are legal ways to accomplish things.)

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    Ding ding ding! (none / 0) (#119)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 01:48:17 PM EST
    Wanted: Energy Advisor to President (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:28:39 AM EST
    We hope.  About a month prior to the April 28 BP blow, President Obama planned to extend deepwater drilling on the eastern seaboard and the Gulf, saying that drilling was safe and accidents rarely occur.   In October 2009, at a Town Hall Meeting, President Obama in plugging for an American nuclear renaissance said: " ..no reason why technologically, we can't employ nuclear energy in a safe and effective way--Japan does it and France does it.."

    It's almost (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:41:05 AM EST
    like Obama is cursed. The moment he starts pushing for something, some sort of disaster happens.

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    Uh... (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:49:52 PM EST
    you mean like...

    "There's no reason why, technologically, we can't employ nuclear energy in a safe and effective way," Obama said. "Japan does it..."

    or, a bit of nostalgia:

    "It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don't cause spills. They are technologically very advanced."


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    Balkinization (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by lilburro on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 11:49:40 AM EST
    has produced a statement/letter on Bradley Manning's detention.

    Excellent letter - thanks for (none / 0) (#58)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 12:34:29 PM EST
    providing the link.

    Given that Manning's treatment, Crowley's "resignation," and the administration's overall response are now being given a much closer look both here and abroad, I can only hope that Obama can be a little less dismissive about the entire situation, and put an end to the punitive nature of Manning's detention.

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    the difference between here and Japan (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:41:56 PM EST
    check this out.  that horribly distorted and buckled road on the 11th?  its fixed on the 15th.

    Japan Nuc Plant Evac (none / 0) (#1)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 10:00:23 PM EST
    Workers suspend operations because of rad risk.  Last 50 workers removed.  

    No detail on whether a replacement crew will be forthcoming.  Hope is for a quick explosion or release and a wind over the ocean and to avoid a slow release and a change in the wind.

    I think it (none / 0) (#3)
    by SOS on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 10:50:08 PM EST
    should be obvious by now greed and ignorance will pretty much finish off this planet by around 2050 at the rate we're going. A toxic hellhole.

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    I'm (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 11:01:01 PM EST
    afraid you're right.

    Although, the planet will survive.

    Just its present inhabitants will be a thing of the past.

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    Not all inhabitants (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:53:19 AM EST
    The bacterium Deinococcus radiodurans can thrive with background levels of radiation of 1,500,000 rads.  (Link)  

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    Viva (none / 0) (#64)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:18:57 PM EST
    la cucuracha.

    but...

    La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
    Ya no puede caminar;
    Porque no tiene, porque le falta
    Marijuana que fumar.

    They'll find a way.

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    Apparently, (none / 0) (#71)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:19:52 PM EST
    cockroaches aren't quite as immune to radiation as once thought.  Sure, they can survive a bit more radiation than we can, but they can't survive the radiation levels that other insects can.  Link.  
    it gradually emerged that the cockroach is, at least in terms of nuclear survivability, a wimp.


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    FYI NYTimes says not so (none / 0) (#9)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:01:32 AM EST
    "The Lede" blog says "a small group" of workers remains at the plant, though doesn't specify what that means.

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    They were sent out to a safe (none / 0) (#13)
    by nycstray on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:25:54 AM EST
    zone until the radiation level dropped back down and then went back in.

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    Pay up... (none / 0) (#2)
    by desertswine on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 10:21:50 PM EST
    Telecommunications giant AT&T said this week that it will join Comcast and other providers in a controversial business model that limits the amount of information subscribers can access, and imposes penalties for overages.

    I (none / 0) (#5)
    by lentinel on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 10:58:48 PM EST
    used AT&T for years.

    Thankfully, recently I have been able to unload them.

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    Suckers (none / 0) (#7)
    by waldenpond on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 11:46:57 PM EST
    I don't get why people would tolerate these vultures.  I wish the drones/people would get their heads out of their patooties.  They are making it worse for everyone else.

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    I (none / 0) (#4)
    by lentinel on Tue Mar 15, 2011 at 10:56:20 PM EST
    read an account of the last 50 workers battling to prevent a nuclear catastrophe. (NYTimes)

    It describes what amounts to a suicide mission.

    What is even more disturbing than the reality of what these brave workers are doing is the characterization of them that evokes the image of the Japanese kamikaze. In the US, it says,"...50 volunteers could be found to stay behind after everyone else evacuated from an extremely hazardous environment. But Japanese are raised to believe that individuals sacrifice for the good of the group."

    To think that Americans who pursue these hazardous professions, including those in the military, are not similarly indoctrinated is naive at best, and racist at worst imo.

    Indeed, subtly, we are being indoctrinated to accept these hazardous forms of energy by self-interested industry spokespeople and government officials on the basis that it serves the greater good.


    Hazardous... (2.00 / 1) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:10:21 AM EST
    We've had now three major accidents at nuclear power plants in the world. One of them, Chernobyl, was truly disastrous, in a plant that was less well designed and constructed than your average backyard chicken coop.  Three Mile Island was, in the end, a non-event.

    And now this, not as lousy a design/construction as Chenobyl by a long shot, but still old and very, very outdated.  Nobody's built plants of this design in many years, and for good reason.  And so far, at least, there's been no real hazard to public health as a result, though that could certainly change.

    Shall we compare this to the number of people, both workers and ordinary citizens, killed or whose health has been ruined by oil or coal over the same period of time?  Or not?  Ever hear of black lung disease?  How about, oh, say BP?

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:33:39 AM EST
    with your post.

    When I read about our government pushing for "clean coal", my eyeballs spin in their sockets. When I read our government issuing assurances about the safety of offshore drilling, they do a similar turn.

    To me, all of these modes represent thinking of the past. They evoke an era that has past.

    Nuclear, to me, is not the future. It is the dregs of the nineteen-fifties.

    The design of the plants in Japan were never safe. ABC news issued a story about an engineer and two of his colleagues who sounded the alarm at the time of their construction. But you can bet that GE did not widely disseminate this information. MARK 1 REACTOR.

    There are technologies that are environmentally friendly that could solve our problems were we to invest in them heavily.
    Wind is one. Solar is another. I have also heard about landfill being converted to energy in a safe manner.

    But there might be, and probably are, other means that exist and could be found if we could but have the will to pursue them.

    Comparing the number of deaths attributed to coal, oil or nuclear doesn't get us anywhere. Are we looking for something safe, or the least worst amongst these antiquated methods of producing energy?

    It might not happen, and I hope with all my heart it doesn't, but we are on the threshold of witnessing the potential deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. If plutonium is released into the air, as it might be from the uncovered waste on the exposed roofs of these damaged plants, all hell will break loose. And not just in Japan. The wind has a way of blowing wherever it wants.

    I, for one, do not accept the premise that I should be forced to choose amongst these disasters. The industries that promote them and the politicians they pay to be their spokespeople have no standing with me.

    Not when we have around three billion dollars a week that we are spending on senseless wars. Think what we could come up with were we to devote that kind of money to the development of safe alternatives to energy production. Think of the new and safe jobs we could find and the pride that workers could feel being part of an innovative and non-toxic industry of the future.

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    Hundreds of thousands of people? (none / 0) (#120)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:13:22 AM EST
    What on earth are you smoking?  Please.  Even Chernobyl didn't kill anything close to that many people.

    Honestly, if we're talking about "least worst," as you suggest, nuclear is by far and away the "least worst."  The safety record is spectacular, far, far better than any other energy production we have, and far, far, far, far more environmentally benign.

    Wind and solar?  You have to be kidding me.  I support both of them heartily, but they will never -- never -- be able to supply the energy needs of the modern world unless we're OK with papering over the entire landscape with solar panels and sticking wind turbines up on every hillside, birds and bats (not to mention human auditory wellbeing) be dam*ed.

    Can we pul-eaze be realistic here?

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    The 10-mile zone: (2.00 / 1) (#44)
    by the capstan on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:40:45 AM EST
    I have lived within the 10-mile zone of a nuclear plant (we now have 3 pretty much side by side) since 1965.  I tend toward gyrfalcon's thought, partly because I lived in East Tenn, during WWII and was very aware of the coal mine deaths in those years.  I also grew up with soft coal and asthma.

    After WWII, civil defense routes and rules were part of our lives because of Oak Ridge.  (My dad helped build ORNL and my husband was a theoretical physicst.)  

    I did my part for clean energy, I think, when I built this last house in 1999 on enough land to put in geo-thermal heat (and hot water to boot).  It still needs electricity to run the pump and blower.  Before then, we heated mainly with wood stoves supplemented with passive solar (never activated the asthma, but I know wood is not technically 'clean.')

    Solar was 'out of favor' when I planned this house, and even our property is not big enough for a wind farm.  Maybe the current crop of physicists (theoretical or not) and engineers like my dad could get back to the drawing board?

    oh, btw, all the alternative heating methods used by this household were introduced by me; the family physicist was content with electricity and oil, except he actually enjoyed splitting logs.

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    Love it! (none / 0) (#121)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Mar 18, 2011 at 12:18:26 AM EST
    Good for you!  If I had the financial resources to build such a house, I'd be there with the geothermal.

    By the way, you may not know that modern woodstoves are indeed environmentally extremely clean. (The EPA mandated that some years ago.)  I don't have stats at my fingertips, but I do know they put much less bad stuff into the air than an oil boiler or furnace.

    They're nothing like the old "smoke dragons" of the past.  When my stove is going, you can't even tell from the chimney, unless you squint very hard and can see the heat waves.  No smoke at all because it's burned up inside the stove (and squeezes out a few more BTUs from the wood in the process).  They're also vastly more efficient, so use a lot less fuel.

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    Nothing Subtle About It (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:49:29 AM EST
    How many people have willingly went into battle for BigOil under the notion of ___ .

    Think about the size of out military, then think how much of it is actually used for National Defense , what is left is the wing of the military committed to protecting international commerce, aka Corporate American profits.

    I suspect anyone getting into the nuclear field, be it energy, bomb making, of military propulsion, one of the things one has to reconcile is what they are going to do should things not go according to plan.  I suspect this is discussed extensively and in the military, fleeing is probably not an option.

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    Looking for health insurance (none / 0) (#8)
    by Raskolnikov on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 12:00:45 AM EST
    I opted out of our group plan at work several years ago and because we're a small company to re-enroll I would have to be on a waiting list for a year.  So I'm looking on the individual market, and fortunately I'm 25 and a non-smoker, but wading through all the details of the plans is pretty exhausting.  Does anyone have any companies they would recommend...Blue Cross/Blue Shield seems to be the one that is accepted everywhere and I know my doctor's office accepts it, but I really have no idea on this stuff.  A plan for a 10% coinsurance and $1000 deductible is $210ish/month, which doesn't seem awful but what do I know.  The sub $100/month plans are ridiculous, with $5-10K deductibles and 30-50% coinsurance.  There's also a plan with a $1K deductible and a 0% coinsurance, but mental health is additional.

    Since I really don't understand much about this stuff I guess I'll just ask a hypothetical (and I'm sure this sounds absolutely stupid to anyone who has dealt with insurance before, so forgive me).  If I were to say, get in a mountain biking accident (likely enough, its one thing I love to do) and break my leg, and if I have that plan with a 10% coinsurance and $1000 deductible, does that then mean I have to pay $1000 out of pocket then 10% of any cost after that, to whatever the maximum out of pocket for the plan is?

    What a sh!tty system, I miss England.

    Yes (none / 0) (#11)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:15:04 AM EST
    That's what it means.

    As for recommendations on insurance companies, it ain't possible across state lines.  Every state is different, and particularly Blue Cross is not a single company but a whole agglomeration of different outfits of various kinds.

    Buy the best insurance you can reasonably afford.  All the companies suck and will knock themselves out to deny legitimate claims or make the paperwork so onerous that you give up.

    Perhaps if you ask again and specify what state you're in, you may find somebody here who's had experience with the insurance options in your state.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:21:56 AM EST
    the deductible means that is what you pay before your insurance company kicks in anything.

    As far as plans or companies go, I think it depedns on your state. Here in GA, Kaiser is the best plan I have ever been on and Blue Cross Blue Shield which I have now sucks.

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    As others have said (none / 0) (#32)
    by sj on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:43:50 AM EST
    that's what that means.  

    As far as enrollment in your employer-based insurance plan, it's pretty standard that there only certain allowable enrollment periods.  Usually at time of hire and then again whenever the policy is up for renewal.  Having to wait nearly a year can happen in a large company as well.  

    Having said that, get on that waiting list or do whatever else it takes to make sure you don't miss your next enrollment period.  Insurance is not going to get any cheaper.

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    You Need.... (none / 0) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:32:33 AM EST
    When I was younger, I got catastrophic health insurance.  It paid for everything after $2000/yr, 100%.  I go in every other year, so the $200 doctor visit and $100 lab fees were easily absorbed.

    I went to the closest Hospital with an Emergency Room, and asked what they accepted and who they recommended (who gives them the least amount of headaches).  Then I got the best price and made sure they were reputable.

    Also find out if there are things you can do to reduce the rate.  I remember one year I took in my gym membership log and they knocked off a little the following year.  It was the only year I was able to make it twice a week over the year.

    And prescriptions, Walgreen's is a total ripoff, my local grocery store had the same meds (antibiotics which are very expensive) for less than half price of Walgreen's.

    Make sure Emergency Room visits are included, one of those can put you over $2000 easily.  And don't use it unless you must, any payout they make will increase your rates considerably.

    Keep in mind, any tests you have run, can effect you eligibility.  Make sure you know what tests they are doing, you should be able to figure out what is regular for you online.  No need to get screened for certain things until you are on company insurance.  Leukemia is one that comes to mind.

    For doctors, I found an old guy that didn't take any insurance, old school to the bone.  He has no issues telling me prices and understood my need to keep certain discussions out of my medical file.

    Don't forget, anything medical over 7.5% of your AGI is deductible. I was a renter, so it never came into play, but if you own, it's worth checking out.  

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    You can't (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:39:49 AM EST
    deduct your medical insurance expense if you employer offers a plan. You can only deduct it IF your employer doesn't offer a healthcare plan and if you pay for one on your own.

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    That's not quite right... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:50:37 AM EST
    if your employer offers a plan for which you pay a portion (or all) of the premiums, those premiums are deductible as long as they are not being deducted/paid on a pre-tax basis.

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    Okay. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:59:11 AM EST
    Well Turbo Tax is wrong then. Tubo Tax said that if the employer pays ANY part of the premium, you can't deduct it but I'm also assuming that most are done a pre tax basis too. I'm pretty sure ours is.

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    Listen (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 11:29:00 AM EST
    My entire comment was in regards to purchasing non-employer insurance, aka the employers doesn't pay a cent.

    It's law that anything the employer takes out of your check related to health, insurance or health savings fund, is done pre-tax.  And you can't deduct tax from something that you never paid tax on.

    Anything medical you pay out of your pocket (which assumes it was taxed), can be deducted over 7.5% AGI (sans their list of exceptions, like pools).

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    From the IRS Publication (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 11:41:19 AM EST
    on the medical expense deduction (Pub 502): (pdf)

    Do not include in your medical and dental expenses any insurance premiums paid by an employer-sponsored health insurance plan unless the premiums are included in box 1 of your Form W-2, Wage and Tax Statement. Also, do not include any other medical and dental expenses paid by the plan unless the amount paid is included in box 1 of your Form W-2. 1.

    Example. You are a federal employee participating in the Health Benefits (FEHB) program. Your share of the premium is paid by making a pre-tax reduction in your salary. Because you are an employee whose insurance premiums are paid with money that is never included in your gross income, you cannot deduct the premiums paid with that money.

    I think what Turbo Tax is saying is that you can't deduct any part of the premium that is paid by you with pre-tax dollars.

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    SITE VIOLATOR - tedfranks11 (none / 0) (#18)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:59:02 AM EST
    Anyone know what a soap cutter is?  Is that code for something I don't really want to know about?

    [I'll say this for some of the spam that squeaks through here: it's kind of amusing, especially when it's one of the more clever ones that looks like it could be a real comment.]

    You're right (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:01:37 AM EST
    Some of them obviously read the thread, at least enough to make comments that appear legitimate.  Our standards for spam have become higher- we scoff at the ones that merely leave a link.   ;-)

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    Dear God (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 07:07:04 AM EST
    I wake up this morning to press verification that 50 people in Japan are sacrificing themselves at the nuclear power plant failure.

    My dad is an NRO (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by lilburro on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:11:07 AM EST
    kind of shocking to imagine him staying behind at a plant.  I'll have to call him later today and ask him about all that's going on over there.

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    Let us know his rundown if you don't mind? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:12:53 AM EST
    I will. (none / 0) (#30)
    by lilburro on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:35:57 AM EST
    My guess is that he would chuckle a little bit at the "noble NRO" portrayed in the NYTimes article today...while I don't doubt they would come together and tackle a problem a lot of the bond in the US among the various plants he's worked at seems to be based on grousing at corporate.  And of course I am sure the corporate bosses are nowhere near the plants in Japan right now.

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    Just remember, according to at least (none / 0) (#21)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:16:38 AM EST
    one person, it's been overblown when it was covered on the cable news channels.

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    I haven't watched a lot of cable news (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:35:54 AM EST
    lately but I did watch Rachel last night and what came on after that on MSNBC.  Then I watched some more MSNBC this morning, and this morning some on the news were talking about how "behind" world leaders and experts have always been during every single nuclear emergency we have had.

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    Now I'm watching some guy (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:07:30 AM EST
    talking about how everyone needs to calm down about radiation exposure.  He says that only about 52 people died because of Chernobyl.  I guess he never watched the documentary 'Chernobyl Heart'.  I think he is completely crazy myself.

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    "Only about 52 people died" (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by sj on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:55:28 AM EST
    "Only"?  Really?  Even if he were right, those "52 people" were people.  They were sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters.

    But it was only 52 people "over there".  Those are the same values that led Kudlow to state that we can be thankful that "The human toll here looks to be much worse than the economic toll, and we can be grateful for that."

    [And yeah, he's crazy, too.  Just like your commentator]

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    I Don't Know the Number... (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 11:12:55 AM EST
    ... but it was low, what most died from was eating and drinking contaminated animal products after they evacuated.  They made it out with their animals, then unknown to them, poisoned themselves because no one told them that eating contaminated food would be far worse than the initial exposure.

    And the thousands that died this way, were slow and agonizing, I'll take the instant blast of radiation any day over slow and excruciating death.

    There was also a huge wave of birth defects, so severe that only a complete fool would pretend that wasn't the worse part of the disaster.

    Anyone who says, 'The meltdown only killed X amount of people' should watch one of the many documentaries and see what the real cost of human life was.

    On Good Morning America this morning they informed us that Chernobyl is now open for pseudo-extreme touring (mostly Americans).  Right, there are idiots who will take the risk to say they visited Chernobyl, included one of their very own reporters.  I swear, we have to be the dumbest nation ever in terms of entertainment.

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    Happened to be watching Fox local (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 12:02:52 PM EST
    news last night cuz it was on after Glee....even the local reporter was asking sarcastic questions of a nuclear power expert. One: "Iodine pills? Why are we worried about thyroids at a time like this." It was disgusting.

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    have any in your house (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:40:22 AM EST
    expressed interest in Home Front which came out yesterday?

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    We haven't gotten it yet (none / 0) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:14:39 PM EST
    Can't beleive that :)  This has got to be a first.  I did not realize that you guys did Home Front until two weeks ago.  Joshua told the manager of GameStop here about the poster you had signed and sent him, and the manager of GameStop was at the grocery store and asked him if he was coming in for Home Front since it was a game from you guys too.  He has been so busy with Delilah he forgot about it, and that's shocking.

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    also (none / 0) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:48:27 AM EST
    I saw this on Tosh (none / 0) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:22:52 PM EST
    the other day.  I can't believe that I'm admitting that I watch Tosh but I do sometimes.  My daughter hates it and hates him, she thinks he is the worst inappropriate pig ever.  And he is, and I guess that's why I watch because he is an unapologetic comedy trainwreck.  I remember back in the day when Lisa Lampanelli was edgy, compared to Daniel Tosh now she's pretty mild.  Anyhow, they had this video on but no back story on the snake dying.  My husband says he thinks it's not true that the snake died, but he noticed that she seemed to have a delayed reaction to feeling the snake bite her :)  Shouldn't she now have silicone leaking into her body?

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    My daughter and her boyfriend (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 07:11:12 AM EST
    watch Tosh, and I've managed to get hooked into it when they watch, in much the same way one can't help looking at an accident on the side of the road.  So much is just so inappropriate, but we still laugh - usually it's "laugh AND cringe" - and I think that's kind of the point - not that it's so much encouraging us all to be rude and crude, but that underneath the layer of political correctness we have all been taught to wear, we still have that inner 5 year old that thinks this stuff is funny.

    The "web redemptions" are usually my favorite - so many people with embarrassing youtube video out there, it's just ridiculous.

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    I got an email (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:13:27 AM EST
    this morning to support the national popular vote bill that apparently is hanging around in the GA legislature. I don't know if they'll pass this or not but I put in my two cents worth.

    That settles it (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:43:46 AM EST
    Sharia Law gets CIA contractor acquitted in Pakistan after paying compensation to the victims' families.

    Actually not a bad system in this case. I'm sure most people accused of murder would like to pay compensation rather than do jail time. Of course not everyone has the US Government ponying up the funds for the compensation.

    I have seen and read a lot of angry (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:53:00 AM EST
    voices about our military making compensation payments to Afghans and Iraqis in the past when their family members have been killed.  What many people don't understand though is that we are observing their traditions and cultures.  I don't think the military ever thought about it as a way to make it okay to kill people.  It came about when they realized that by having family members killed and only apologized for no matter how profusely, the people were being dehumanized by us not observing their culture and traditions about death and loss of family members.

    Where money is concerned Americans are masters of the universe though, so it is creepy and based on our accepted standard of living very difficult as an American to understand that 2500 could ever be payment enough for a human life.

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    That situation is a little different (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:43:57 AM EST
    since they are not really able to actually arrest and try the members of our military.

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    Our military can be arrested for (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:27:40 PM EST
    different types of death of civilians.  One of the things that the Manning situation seems to be bringing to the surface is that there are at least 50 soldiers who have been arrested and are being held without a trial so far too who have attorneys saying that the ROE were being completely observed when the deaths occurred, but the soldiers are being accused of murder.  So it isn't true that if United States soldiers accidentally kill a civilian they won't be accused of and arrested for murder.  Sometimes I'm shocked at how little people actually know and understand about the functioning of the U.S. military.

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    Compnesation (none / 0) (#29)
    by star on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:32:44 AM EST
    MOney is dear commodity in that part of the world. people live is total poverty - the sort that cannot even be imagines in US. Fathers uses daughters to settle debts as a common practice. Widows are re married (since islam permits it) for purely the good of the rest of the family and murder is often compensated with head of goats or coins. sad but true. that is another reason why there is so much corruption as well.
    I certain parts of afghanistan, and pak, little boys are purposely pushed in front of on coming trucks , especially military ones and the villagers gather around to fleece as much money out of the driver.I know someone who went there to work as a road contractor and he was warned to look out for this.

    so ya money is all important, lives not so much. sad but true.  

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    Yes, the cultures are different (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:47:29 AM EST
    for sure.  There is that age old practice in Afghanistan of Bacha bazi; street orphans or other boys bought from poor families to entertain.  The boys are dressed in women's clothes and sing and dance.  The boys may be traded and sexually abused.

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    A local saying has it that even when birds... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Dadler on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 12:15:55 PM EST
    ...fly over Kandahar, they are only using one wing because with the other they are covering their bottoms.  

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    I have to think about what you say (none / 0) (#39)
    by sj on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:55:37 AM EST
    It seems like an odd (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:38:33 PM EST
    tradition in a way, I try not to judge though and God forbid the poor sacrifice their children but of course it would happen.  The children of the poor are sacrificed in different ways in this country. When I think about our country's culture....if we had such traditions where responsible parties were socially expected without lengthy trials and appeals to pay immediately for being complicit in a family member's death, I wonder if some social realities wouldn't be improved.

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    That is not a death panel (none / 0) (#28)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 09:19:24 AM EST
    Making the choice to not use a doctor because it interferes with a sports season is not a death panel.

    I don't know of an insurance company that does not limit the selection of doctors.  It was his choice to go out of service which is how the majority of support for single payor works.... Under single payor, the system will exclude doctors that charge twice over 90% of doctors, that have high infection and death rates, and refuse to submit paperwork.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#51)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:59:49 AM EST
    The root of the problem is really the high price of health care. You can't afford to get what you want when you want it without wealth, insurance, or wealthy friends. As I've said before, I'd like to get rid of insurance altogether - remove those price supports and see what the market value of treatment really is.

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    Giving Ezra his due (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:54:49 AM EST
    Excellent take-down of Evan Bayh.

    Favorite quote:

    It's as if he's systematically ticking off every poison he identified in the body politic and rushing to dump more of it into the water supply.



    Meh (none / 0) (#70)
    by smott on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:54:47 PM EST
    Can't tolerate Ezra.
    Speakign of takedowns this was pretty good

    http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2011/03/never-fills-you-up-never-lets-you-down.html

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    Silly (none / 0) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 10:57:23 AM EST
    He was covered, but didn't want to miss training camp.  Why did the first doctor want to do it earlier, important fact missing.  Maybe that first doctor was the best and had a waiting period, while the hack had a free schedule.

    Please don't hang the death panel hat on this case.  Plus the Clippers went 37-45 that season, so his presence wasn't exactly critical in chasing the championship.

    great weather (none / 0) (#59)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:32:22 PM EST
    Woke up to a flash (one, two, three, four, five, six) rumble at 6:30.  It built to a sharp crack overlaid with a short boom at 6:39.  The dog jumped on the bed and a blanket was flipped over her but she scurried off to another bedroom.  I listened to it until there was a flicker and no audible rumble and then came a shush of rain until the wind picked up and threw it against the west windows.

    Had a nice blue sky, white fluffy clouded sucker hole until 8:00 when it started darkening again.  About 8:30 pounding rain mixed with some hail (? in March) then another sucker hole about 10:00.  I was tempted to try and work in the yard but it's getting dark again.

    its amazing here (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:40:53 PM EST
    high 50s.  65 tomorrow.

    but that is sort of the way it is here. no spring.  it sort of goes from winter to summer in about a week.

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    Cold last night (none / 0) (#66)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:31:46 PM EST
    It must have dropped to 47 here in N CA.  
    brrrrr.  :)

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    Hillary not serving in second term (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 01:53:18 PM EST
    according to CNN via HuffPo, she told Wolf Blitzer that she will not be SoS or SoD in a second Obama term. Nor does she want to be VP or POTUS.

    translation (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:05:28 PM EST
    Im done.  leave me alone.


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    For (none / 0) (#65)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:21:51 PM EST
    someone with at least some brains, it must be difficult to represent a foreign policy that is brainless.

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    She's been trying (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:38:12 PM EST
    in other ways.

    For example.

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    Very (none / 0) (#72)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:42:42 PM EST
    interesting link...

    but unless I missed it, not a peep, not a murmur, not a whisper, nothing nada niente about the wars in which we are engaged.

    There is this HUGE elephant in the room, and she is talking about the drapes.

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    Nobody but (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:44:49 PM EST
    nobody want to deal with the war issue but the public is more than sick of the whole game. Perhaps someone will campaign on getting out of all these entanglements in 2016 because Obama ain't getting us out if he wins reelection and the GOP sure as heck isn't.

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    You (none / 0) (#82)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:14:51 PM EST
    may be right...

    But I'm not sure that the public is sick of this issue.

    I believe that the public is sick of being at war, but it has no way of expressing its opinion.

    There is absolutely no one to vote for.

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    You could read (none / 0) (#80)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:56:15 PM EST
    I (none / 0) (#85)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:29:31 PM EST
    didn't see a single mention of the wars there either.

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    Ok - you can see what they are doing (none / 0) (#86)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:41:13 PM EST
    Here and Here.

    There have been other crises in the world recently, besides Iraq and Afghanistan, so, I dunno, maybe they haven't been mentioned every day.  Seems like Libya, Egypt, and now Japan are on the front burner.

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    I (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:46:02 PM EST
    see what you're saying.

    It's just that since every single hour of every single day our people are being killed, they should be on the front burner every single hour of every day.

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    I get it (none / 0) (#89)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:59:18 PM EST
    But maybe that's also the fault of the media?  I mean Japan is a huge story, Libya before that, and Egypt before that.  But there was/is no need to have "Breaking News" coverage 24 hours a day when there are so many things going on in the world.  

    Well, there's Japan, Libya, Egypt, and then "The Bachelor" finale.  Because, you know, that's right up there in importance.

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    It is (none / 0) (#92)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:10:18 PM EST
    definitely the fault of the media.

    Cronkite used to report on the Vietnam war daily.
    There were reporters on the scene.
    It had an impact.

    But at a certain point, it becomes evident that the politicians and the media are both owned and controlled by the same interests.
    And those interests wish to keep us unaware and in the dark.

    It just angers me when I think of how it must feel to those on the front lines - and to their families. I know how it feels to me as an ordinary citizen.

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    I'm just wondering (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:14:34 PM EST
    If that would be effective.  Americans have a short attention span, and after all this time, would we really pay attention anyways to more coverage of Afghanistan or Iraq?  I'm not justifying it, but I too, find myself skimming over stories about it because "that's old news".

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    Televised (none / 0) (#97)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:20:24 PM EST
    video of what is happening is hard to skim over.

    The media don't care about us.

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    Didn't you forget one? Mr. Sheen? (none / 0) (#101)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:31:08 PM EST
    That's a sexy story (none / 0) (#104)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:37:29 PM EST
    Crazy celebrity who's had too much alcohol and done too many drugs?  We can pay attention for hours.

    Countries with furners?  Not so much.

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    You mean, like this, (none / 0) (#79)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:51:52 PM EST
    From Marcy:

    One of the things revealed by WikiLeaks is Department of State pressure on Egypt, under Clinton, to end its indefinite detention under military law. Of all the cables revealing US hypocrisy in its diplomatic affairs, those are the cables that really demonstrate to me how we have lost our moral standing.

    Here's a link to and the relevant portion of the cable:

    (C) A/S Posner told his interlocutors that three pillars guide the Obama administration's human rights policy:  principled engagement with foreign countries in a spirit of friendship; universal standards for all countries, including the United States, based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; and the recognition that reform will come from internal, not external, actors.  A/S Posner noted that strong governments conduct an open dialogue with a variety of stakeholders, and partner with robust civil society organizations.  A/S Posner queried GOE officials on the Emergency Law's uses and prolonged detention without charge. He urged the GOE to replace the State of Emergency with a law specifically focused on counterterrorism.

    Words fail me - which doesn't happen often.

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    It (none / 0) (#83)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:18:20 PM EST
    does say something about universal standards for all countries, including the United States doesn't it...

    I must have read it wrong.

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    Not expected. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:42:43 PM EST
    I believe the POTUS thing after the 2012 election.

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    That should (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:43:07 PM EST
    be I'll believe the POTUS statement after the 2012 election.

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    biggest loser (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:39:38 PM EST
    RNC considers selling TV rights of presidential primary debates

    The Republican National Committee is considering sanctioning the GOP presidential primary debates and then selling the broadcast rights to news outlets, two Republicans with knowledge of the idea tell CNN.

    ...

    It is unclear if it is legal for the RNC to sell the broadcasting rights or whether it would constitute a prohibited political contribution in the eyes of federal law.



    the honeymoon is over (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 02:45:28 PM EST
    Some in GOP grow tired of right wing

    "Yep, it is surprising," Idaho Rep. Mike Simpson said of the difficulty convincing hard-liners that the leadership is cutting large amounts of spending. "I mean, this is three weeks; we're cutting $6 billion. You know? It is surprising. This is the only time in my life where I can cut $6 billion in a three-week period and be called a liberal."


    Dontchaknow (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 03:45:44 PM EST
    ever since Bill Clinton was president, 2/3 of the country is now "liberal".

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    we are pathetic (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:06:26 PM EST
    sometimes I read something that makes me think we are doomed as a species.  this is one of those things.
    a list of 50 phobias.  including consectaleophobia, or the fear of chopsticks and nomophobia, or the fear of losing cell phone contact.

    Thailand's Got Talent (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 04:43:53 PM EST
    and much better tv

    Thailand's Got Talent Contestant Reveals Mid-Song That She's Not Who You Think


    First the video: very pretty young lady is sings for a panel comprised of actors Nirut Sirijanya and Pornchita `Benz' Na Songkhla and TV producer Pinyo Rutham. (the interesting part comes around 1:02):

    Its not only a pretty great television moment, but the reality show audition bar just got raised to enormous heights. According to AsylumUK, the judges' reacted as one might expect:

    if we had reality shows like this, I might watch.

    Watch: (none / 0) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:03:04 PM EST
    but you know (none / 0) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:05:07 PM EST
    the fifth freaking fleet and all

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    Saw that (none / 0) (#95)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:17:15 PM EST
    It is stunning/disgusting.

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    Japan Nuc issues (none / 0) (#94)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:16:04 PM EST
    Not going so well.  Rods in #4 pool exposed.  Radiation extremely high. It concerns me more when absolutely no info comes out.  Deteriorating situation that will have a greater release.  Reports that there are problems in 5 and 6 now (which were already shutdown and serving as storage pools)

    They are still hanging in focusing on getting regular power.

    and the information from the (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 05:19:35 PM EST
    government seems less and less reliable.

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    Holding US troops back to a 50 mile (none / 0) (#103)
    by nycstray on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 06:37:11 PM EST
    radius from the plant. And 2 airlines (German, Italian) have rerouted their Tokyo flights to other cities there. Less planes leaving out of Tokyo will make it harder for folks to get out of there I would imagine.

    I'm wondering if the effort to get that new power line up will help much. Some of the reactors/buildings look pretty damaged . . .

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    Japanese no choice (none / 0) (#106)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 07:19:09 PM EST
    US, FR, UK etc urged evac from 50 mile area and to leave Tokyo.

    I didn't realize the 'shelter in place' zone near the site is not a suggestion.... it is an order.  They are hostages.  There are no services, nor food and water going into the zone.  They have been written off.

    I know there was an order at the beginning of the incident (Kan) to not allow the workers to leave, I hope that is not still in effect.

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    Just heard food running low for the workers (none / 0) (#110)
    by nycstray on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 07:42:58 PM EST
    via email from a family member (ABC news). I think I liked the lack of news earlier today better . . .

    aren't most people in the shelter in place zone in emergency centers? Isn't that area pretty flattened?

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    Substandard shelter (none / 0) (#113)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:16:27 PM EST
    When sheltering, it is supposed to be made as airtight as possible (the old duct tape.)  It would be hoped there are some buildings intact, but aren't there 140,000 in the quarantine zone?

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    Helicoptering water now (none / 0) (#112)
    by waldenpond on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:12:49 PM EST
    So sad.... helicopter dropping in water.  

    I thought a US water pump truck was almost ready to go.

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    christinep (none / 0) (#111)
    by Jane in CA on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:00:21 PM EST
    I'm not sure whether to be flattered or dismayed by the importance you seem to assign to my opinions. I mean, to reopen a thread for the sole purpose of telling me how messed up my rating of your opinion is strikes me as a little extreme ... but, no matter.

    I could explain why I down-rated the comments that I did.  Suffice to say, I'm sure most folks posting here have little to no interest in my reasons, particularly since I've articulated them in the past.

    On the other hand, my email address is listed in my personal info.  If you have a real grievance with my opinion, I'm happy to engage with you offline as to why you feel I was out of line or mistaken.  Otherwise, I prefer not to blog clog with petty bickering. Thanks.


    Jane: One thing only.... (1.00 / 1) (#114)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 08:49:54 PM EST
    It isn't a matter of flattering; it is a matter of responding openly/publicly to what appears to be misusing the "1" as a kick.  I have no intention of bickering with you.

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    Get over yourself, christinep (3.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 07:53:19 AM EST