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38 years later in 2004:

45 years later, it's Motown night on American Idol. While I'd love for one of the contestants to choose a Four Tops song and channel Levi Stubbs, I'll be glad to watch whoever they choose. The appeal of Motown is ageless and timeless and it's always fun to see it passed on to a new generation.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Leonard Weinglass, 1933-2011 (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 09:30:20 AM EST
    I am sad to learn that Leonard Weinglass, radical criminal defense lawyer, died yesterday, his 78th birthday.  Len was one of the defense attorneys at the Chicago Eight trial.  His other clients included Angela Davis; Daniel Ellsberg's co-defendant, Anthony Russo; Kathy Boudin; Mumia abu Jamal; John Sinclair of the White Panther Party (an extremely important case he argued before the Supreme Court and won, relating to illegal domestic "national security" wiretapping); and most recently the "Cuban Five" (convicted in the U.S. of spying for Cuba).  Len was a 1958 graduate of Yale Law School.

    Miranda rights take another hit (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:29:03 AM EST
    from the Obama administration/DOJ:

    Glenn:

    Today, the Obama DOJ unveiled the latest -- and one of the most significant -- examples of its eagerness to assault the very legal values Obama vowed to protect. The Wall Street Journal reports that "new rules allow investigators to hold domestic-terror suspects longer than others without giving them a Miranda warning, significantly expanding exceptions to the instructions that have governed the handling of criminal suspects for more than four decades." The only previous exception to the 45-year-old Miranda requirement that someone in custody be apprised of their rights occurred in 1984, when the Rehnquist-led right-wing faction of the Supreme Court allowed delay "only in cases of an imminent safety threat," but these new rules promulgated by the Obama DOJ "give interrogators more latitude and flexibility to define what counts as an appropriate circumstance to waive Miranda rights."

    [snip]

    When it comes to debates between Left and Right over the Constitution and due process, Miranda has always been viewed as one of the key defining issues. Richard Nixon was obsessed with demonizing the Warren Court for providing too many rights to the accused, and his attacks on Miranda were part of a decades-long war by the American Right on the constitutional liberties established over the last half-century. With a swoop of a pen -- more than 9 years removed from the 9/11 attacks -- Barack Obama has done more to erode Miranda than any right-wing politician could have dreamed of achieving.

    And you can forget about making the argument that he's changed his position, because:

    But the good thing about being Barack Obama is that you're justified in what you do even when you first do X and then do Not X.

    Thus, when you argue that wars need Congressional approval, you're standing up for the Constitution; when you start a war without Congressional approval, you're a humanitarian. When you announce you will release torture photos in the government's possession, you're a stalwart defender of transparency; when you change your mind two weeks later and announce you'll conceal those photos, you're standing up for The Troops. When you give Miranda warnings to Terrorism suspects, you're honoring the Rule of Law and protecting American values; when you turn around and deny those very same rights, you're showing your devotion to Keeping us Safe.

    See how nicely that works?

    Argh.

    By the time the politicians are through, (none / 0) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:40:24 AM EST
    the right to bear arms will be the only right that will remain.

    Obama will go down in history (if written truthfully) as the Democratic president who was able to implement right wing agenda items that previous Republican presidents were unable to implement.  

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    The State of White America (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:13:41 AM EST
    Bradley Lecture by Charles Murray
    Date: Monday, April 4, 2011
    Time: 5:30PM-7:00PM
    Location: Wohlstetter Conference Room
    Sponsor: The American Enterprise Institute

    Charles Murray, Crossburner


    In all the recent hullaballoo over the not-so-subtle efforts by Andrew Sullivan and other right-wingers to rehabilitate him, let's not forget that Charles "Bell Curve" Murray is also a known cross-burner. As City Pages editor Steve Perry wrote back in the last century:

       ...Near the end of his high school days in Newton, Iowa, Murray and some of his pals went out one night and burned a cross next door to the police station. To my knowledge, the reams of coverage accorded Murray for his pseudo-scientific apologia on behalf of racism have produced only two mentions of this incident. One was in a 1994 New York Times Magazine profile, the other a bit later on the Donahue show. In both instances Murray protested that he had no idea as to the racial significance of cross-burning. There were only two black families in Newton in those days, an old school chum of his added in the Times piece. Well. As it happens, I grew up just 30 miles away from Murray's central Iowa hometown, in an even smaller farming town with no black families at all. But somehow I managed to learn what cross-burning meant by the time I finished high school, and I expect Murray did too.

    Please keep this in mind whenever you see any attempts to pretend that Murray isn't a racist pig.


    I recommend... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:45:31 AM EST
    a great documentary on the Funk Brothers, the Motown house band who created the signature Motown groove. It's called "Standing in the Shadows of Motown".  Really good stuff.

    The great singers of Motown get all the praise, but in truth The Funk Brothers were the heart and soul of Motown...without those funky beats and horns and keys and strings ya got nuthin'.  One of the best collections of musicians ever assembled.

    I second that, and then some (none / 0) (#41)
    by Towanda on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 12:13:23 PM EST
    as I saw it in its theatre run years ago and was entranced, so I have watched it several times since -- and have the CD.  And I'm not usually fond of younger artists redoing the classics, but so many did so with such reverence in this film that I enjoyed the introduction to incredible new talents.  And then, the intermixing of the interviews with the oldsters and their insights into the backstory of Motown . . . yes, this is a marvelous film.  You will watch it again, too, I bet!  Here's a clip of one of my favorites from the film:  Joan Osborne's "What Becomes of the Broken-Hearted."

    Now I gotta go get me some Bootsie on Youtube, too!  He cracks me up.

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    Meanwhile.... (none / 0) (#1)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:01:42 PM EST
    Japanese government and power company officials expressed optimism on Wednesday morning that the crisis was close to being brought under control, only to encounter two reminders in the afternoon of the unpredictable difficulties that lie ahead.

    Fukushima Daiichi's Reactor No. 3 began belching black smoke for an hour late in the afternoon, leading its operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, to evacuate workers. No. 3 is considered one of the most dangerous of the reactors because of its fuel -- mixed oxides, or mox, which contain a mixture of uranium and plutonium and can produce a more dangerous radioactive plume if scattered by fire or explosions.

    The cooling system at Reactor No. 5, which was shut down at the time of the quake and has shown few problems, also abruptly stopped working Wednesday afternoon, said Hiro Hasegawa, a spokesman for Tokyo Electric.



    Thank you for keeping on this (none / 0) (#2)
    by Raskolnikov on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:41:17 PM EST
    I admit I work very long days and don't have enough time to read as much news as I used to, and there's just a lot of stuff going on in this world of ours.  This event has completely changed my thinking on nuclear power, and I used to be a huge proponent.

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    It's nice to see Newt get (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 08:19:02 AM EST
    called on his bull today during the news cycle.

    He needs to get married again, to take (none / 0) (#8)
    by observed on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 09:55:17 AM EST
    attention away from his political flip-flops.
    Don't forget, Newt is considered an intellectual heavyweight in Republican circles.


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    Signs of the apocalypse (none / 0) (#4)
    by lilburro on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 08:37:11 AM EST
    America, this is your Republican Party:

    The bill also includes a provision that would exempt households from losing eligibility, "if the household was eligible immediately prior to such strike, however, such family unit shall not receive an increased allotment as the result of a decrease in the income of the striking member or members of the household."

    Your national Republican Party.

    I feel like I'm in a time machine (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 09:16:08 AM EST
    Not content to go back to the 50's, their previous ideal, the right is slowly but surely  marching us all the way back to the 19th century.

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    It's like all the robber barons in history (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:40:23 AM EST
    have been reborn at the same time.

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    The GOP (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 09:08:55 AM EST
    used to brag about how they got 40% of the union vote. I wonder if that will ever happen again?

    The GOP is doing a fantastic job of running everybody away it seems.

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    trouble is (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:31:58 AM EST
    The Dems aren't doing anything to draw them in except to be the "other guys" and "lesser evil".

    What a freaking wasted opportunity.

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    welcome to the new world order (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 09:57:25 AM EST
    Unconscionable... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:14:46 AM EST
    I'm not sure there's an expletive that could adequately express how I feel about things like this.

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    I've run out of adjectives and expletives (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:47:35 AM EST
    My less frequent commenting on these things lately should not indicate lack of caring, just lack of words.

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    I hope anyone who ever thought (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:17:30 AM EST
    this was not a nationwide coordinated effort has rethunk that.

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    That is the sign of the apocalypse (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:36:02 AM EST
    lilburro was referring to above.

    Really, we are going to end up in 1880's America at some point. I have always felt so lucky to have grown up in the modern era of labor protections and general advancement of social welfare - I did not expect it to turn around so soon.

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    saw that as soon as I posted it (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:41:08 AM EST
    figured a jinx was unnecessary.  its worth posting twice.

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    For sure worth posting twice (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:45:27 AM EST
    and examining the crime from every angle.

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    And this is why (none / 0) (#24)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:42:48 AM EST
    unions will never be obsolete.  Weaker in some periods than others, sure.  But never obsolete.

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    All we can hope is that (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:53:53 AM EST
    this is the kind of thing that makes people realize why unions were necessary in the first place.

    What I don't get is why these yahoos in Congress don't understand that when people strike for better conditions, better pay, better treatment, it is likely that what benefits the worker also ultimately benefits the government: higher pay, more tax revenue, fewer people/families requiring government assistance.  Better benefits, fewer people requiring government assistance.  Better working conditions, fewer claims for workers' comp, better health, fewer workers needing assistance or disability payments.

    Provisions like this are more proof than ever that government intends to be more supportive of corporations and business than the workers.

    What I'd like to know is how many Democrats will get behind these provisions - or will fail to speak out against them?


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    I daresay (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:16:58 AM EST
    why these yahoos in Congress don't understand that when people strike for better conditions, better pay, better treatment, it is likely what benefits the worker also ultimately benefits the government

    it's because they care neither for the worker nor for the government.

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    Because (none / 0) (#35)
    by jbindc on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:20:42 AM EST
    The Republicans lose s wedge issue.

    You only see the world through your socialist eyes, and can't see the bigger and more important picture, which is getting re-elected, doncha know?

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    Returning to the Gilded Age has been (none / 0) (#36)
    by observed on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:22:58 AM EST
    the explicit goal of the new Republicans. Rove is quite open about his admiration for that time, IIRC. If voters knew any history at all, this would be enough to send them running at the sight of a Republican candidate.

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    I would be less concerned if it (5.00 / 0) (#38)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:35:40 AM EST
    weren't for the fact that there are too many Democrats in office who seem to be coming over to New-Gilded-Age thinking; we can run from the Republicans, but what do we have to run to?

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    Exactly. We used to have a second party to check (5.00 / 0) (#44)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 02:26:43 PM EST
    the instincts and power of the Republicans. Not anymore.

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    Yes, now we have the party of the top .01% (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by observed on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 02:59:38 PM EST
    versus the party of the top 1%

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    this seems to be an epidemic (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:22:39 AM EST
    T hat's bust jeiwed, mag. (none / 0) (#17)
    by observed on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:34:45 AM EST
    hou go geople spak gibberish withat nowing it?

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    for minutes on end (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:40:22 AM EST
    the expression of the anchor when finally cut to was priceless.


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    Sully goes deep (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:28:27 AM EST
    Hot Amplexus Action

    or as stinque puts it:

    Amphibian Sexual Positions as Metaphor

    Males of a number of species of frogs and toads have been known to get overexcited, and amplex inappropriate objects (other species, empty cans, etc.), or, at times, multiple males will attempt to amplex the same female, and wind up amplexing each other in a sort of a ball.


    Ew (none / 0) (#29)
    by lilburro on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:57:13 AM EST
    I should not have clicked through to Sully's post.

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    indeed (none / 0) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:03:36 AM EST
    better as metaphor


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    Well, you know (none / 0) (#34)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:20:40 AM EST
    that should be a given :)  

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    Sad to say, but it's the truth, (none / 0) (#16)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:32:40 AM EST
    that while the Four Tops' "Same Old Song" is a fantastic record, which is playing as the soundtrack for that YouTube clip from 1966, the video features some of the worst lip-syncing, coupled with perhaps the saddest excuse for choreography, that I have ever seen on a Motown number.

    I hate to admit that I have paid so much (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:40:40 AM EST
    attention over the years...but though I love the 4 Tops music, I always thought they were the worst in the 'presentation' department. Not up to par with the Temptations or the Miracles!

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    I once saw (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:44:55 AM EST
    the Mighty Clouds of Joy at a drag bar in east St Louis.  it was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen.

    they stopped serving drinks while they were performing as a courtesy


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    Once again,I have given this way too much thought (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:59:54 AM EST
    but I would have loved to see the 4 Tops as more of a straight up rock and roll band, with Levi Stubbs as leads singer. They just don't quite fit that Temptations mold. If they had come along a few years later maybe that would have worked out. Or what if they had merged with 'Chicago'? Very cool!

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    No! (none / 0) (#37)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:24:28 AM EST
    I never thought you were nuts, ruffian but ... Chicago?  You would take drop the wonderfulness that is the Four Tops into the cacophony that is Chicago?

    I cannot listen to an entire Chicago song.  It seems to grate on my entire spine.

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    Jimi Hendrix went to see Chicago play at a club (none / 0) (#42)
    by shoephone on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 12:24:34 PM EST
    in the late 60's and came away saying, "Terry Kath is the greatest rock guitarist ever. If only I could play like that..."

    True story.

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    Don't doubt it (none / 0) (#43)
    by sj on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 01:14:06 PM EST
    They get a lot of respect in the musical community.  I just happen to hate them.  And always change the station.

    I suspect it's because I my hearing is acute in the upper ranges and strong in the midrange.  I have to strain to hear the bass which is probably why I like it so much.  It's also why singers like Mariah Carey and (the undamaged) Whitney Houston are like fingernails on a chalkboard.

    To me, music like Chicago's is overlayered with no particular strand predominant.  Cacophony.

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    Now you know - I'm nuts! (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 02:39:11 PM EST
    I was just trying to think of a good driving band of that era who could have used some punched up 4 Tops vocals!

    Yeah, they could get a little cacophonous at times. Can't listen to that Chicago Transit Authority album all the way through.  But I still love their best stuff.  Don't talk to me about anything after Chicago 5 or so though.

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    I'm in sync with you (none / 0) (#39)
    by brodie on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 11:42:25 AM EST
    about their syncing here -- not quite up to acceptable teevee standards and practices and a little jarring to watch.  

    Watching so many YT clips of 60s/70s musical performances, it's amazing to see how often so many great artists just showed up at the tv studio only to silently move their lips, and I wonder why more didn't insist on at least live vocals for the purpose of artistic integrity at the least.

    That said, there were some things  Iiked about this one.  First, the neat stylized look to the silhouetted dancers in the back. Second, the color quality is very good from 45 yrs ago -- someone has taken good care of the stored video.  Third, the song itself -- maybe their best, certainly better than the sorta rush job they did of the Left Banke's classic Walk Away Renée.

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    I had a moment of weakness in late night (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 02:44:06 PM EST
    infomercials a couple of years ago and ordered the entire set of 'Midnight Special' DVDs. Holy Smokes are some of those amazingly great and some amazingly scary.  Sometimes it is hard to tell if they are lip-synced or not. I think most of them were not. Great - all of the Gladys Knight and the Pips performances through the years. In later years however the Pips just sat on stools as that stylized  choreography went out of fashion.

    Scary: Helen Reddy's outfits.

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