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    I wish the Libyan War ... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 07:04:33 AM EST
    was revealed to be just an elaborate April Fools' Joke.  Sadly it won't be.

    And we must all accept that Obama and his cronies are not merely a disappointment.  But neocons.  They probably always were.

    And to think... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:53:49 AM EST
    he's a Nobel Peace Prize winner.  War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Everyday is April Fools.

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    He may just be ... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:58:59 AM EST
    ensuring that his Guinness Record stands:

    "Most wars waged by a Nobel Peace Prize Winner."

    But since the people in Oslo's standards have clearly dropped, he may want to start a few more.  You know, just to be on the safe side.

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    The award of the Nobel Peace Prize (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:52:32 AM EST
    is not so much an issue (the president does seem embarrassed by it, as noted in his recent self-deprecating joke about Secretary Chu holding and deserving his Nobel Prize) as is his engagement in yet another war. True, no one likes hand me downs, and so this new war is his own baby (if we do not count increasing the commitment in Afghanistan and broadening it to Pakistan. But, then again, we do need to take into account the reductions of US troops in Iraq).   And, the "humanitarian" rationale for the war in Libya is not quite on a par with avoiding the imminent mushroom clouds, but it is deceptive, all the same.  

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    He's a Nobel (1.00 / 0) (#8)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:02:40 AM EST
    winner so he shouldn't intervene to prevent the slaughter of thousands.

    This line of thinking assumes that the non-interventionist position was one of peace, something I think the people going to die in Benghazi would strongly disagree with.

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    Lets see what actions he will take (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:19:52 AM EST
    to prevent the deaths of millions of innocent people, many of them children, then talk to me about what a great humanitarian he is.

    Proposed budget cuts to in international food and health aid will result in 18 million people will immediately be cut off from a much-needed food stream, and 4 million would lose access to malaria medicine.

    Here at home proposed 10% cuts to WIC program which provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age five who are found to be at nutritional risk. 9.3 million people were helped by this program in 2009. Addition cuts to Food Stamps are also part of the proposed cuts because we are too "broke" to provide humanitarian aid to starving people at home and abroad but we are not too "broke" to spend $40 million a day to drop humanitarian bombs.

    Once again, when Obama takes action to prevent the cuts that will increase the likelihood of millions of deaths, talk to me about his humanitarian efforts.  

     

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    I guess this is Obama "living" his (none / 0) (#111)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:17:39 PM EST
    humanitarian ideals, huh?

    Just makes me want to throw something.

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    It is bad enough having to watch what (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:51:50 PM EST
    the "powers that be in D.C." are doing to this country and the countries around the world either with their bombing or their neglect, but it really adds insult to injury having to listen to and read the amount of complete and absolute B.S. used to justify their actions.

    This btw is a completely bipartisan remark about the "powers that be in D.C."  

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    I think you left out (none / 0) (#166)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:41:35 PM EST
    slashing the HEAP program, which provides assistance to poor folks to keep from freezing in the winter.

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    I'm clueless... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:12:19 AM EST
    as to how dropping mad bombs on a sovereign nation can be considered an act of peace.

    Save lives?  Maybe if we sent doctors instead of fighter jets.

    Besides, what we are interested in saving is energy supply lines...lives, not so much.

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    Now kdog (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:14:25 AM EST
    Being a little generalized there.  There is no evidence that we have harmed one single civilian and our Tomahawks took out air defenses....other missiles.

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    "No evidence that we have harmed one (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:19:42 PM EST
    single civilian."  No, we don't have any evidence.  But I doubt we haven't harmed civilians.  

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    Well, until today (none / 0) (#132)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:30:32 PM EST
    BBC Reports a couple of houses blown up in a strike on a supply convoy. 7 civilians killed.

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    Link (none / 0) (#133)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:31:42 PM EST
    And there is evidence that (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:15:50 AM EST
    we disabled the machine that was killing civilians, blowing up their schools too

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    Yes (none / 0) (#26)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:31:53 AM EST
    Saving lives.

    1. Ghaddafi was preparing to kill thousands of innocent people.

    2. The innocent people asked for help in not dying.

    3. We bombed ghadaffi's forces and prevented that from happening.

    =

    Lives saved.  Lots of them.

    Now you can argue that the lives saved weren't worth that effort, but I don't think anyone can rationally argue that we didn't save lives.

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    We sure prevented a lot of deaths in (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by observed on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:04:30 AM EST
    Iraq, didn't we? Exactly the same argument was given in that case.

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    b.s. (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by CST on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:09:54 AM EST
    I'm sorry, but I don't recall the Iraqi's revolting against Saddam Hussein, causing him to start shooting everyone in sight in the lead up to the Iraq war.

    I don't remember anyone in the middle east specifically asking for us to intervene.

    I don't remember the U.N. or most of Europe being on board with our invasion, even taking leadership roles.

    In fact, I seem to recall that the argument given for Iraq had a lot to do with fake uranium in Nigeria and "protecting" us from scary dictators post 9-11.  It was never a humanitarian mission.

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    No, there's an exact parallel, in this (none / 0) (#60)
    by observed on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:13:03 AM EST
    narrow area. We were preventing "100,000 deaths" in Iraq, and now we are "preventing 100,000 deaths" in Libya---not to mention the "100,000 deaths" we prevented in Kosovo.
    We don't know that Qaddafi will kill 100,000 people, and the guess that he might is no reason for a  large commitment of US military force to oppose him.

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    There is no real comparison (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:15:59 AM EST
    that anyone can make between Iraq and Libya IMO

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    What didn't happen ... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:31:40 AM EST
    in the second Iraq War had happened in the first.  So it all really does line up quite well.

    The rhetoric lines up perfectly.  You could do a video mash-up of Bush I, W, and Obama giving virtually identical rationals for all three wars.

    In fact, there probably already is something like this on youtube already.

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    So we put a No Fly in (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:29:13 AM EST
    and then Gaddafi's son tries to assasinate Jeb Bush, and then when Jeb Bush's son is President he invades Libya?

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    Wait, watch ... (none / 0) (#105)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:42:26 AM EST
    and learn.  To quote Papa Bush.

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    I hear that... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:24:30 AM EST
    lets see in 10-20 years how many lives were "saved".

    Does a rebel currently staring down Qaddafi's gun who is later murdered by the next tyrant (in good standing with Uncle Sam) count as a save?  Or how about an AQ sympathizer amongst the rebels later kidnapped and sent to a black site...is that a save?

    And when a hospital or the Chinese embassy is "accidentally" bombed, do those deaths come off the save total?

    I understand the horror of just watching a bloody revolution go down from the sidelines...but it is the sidelines where we belong.  It's not our nation, and not our place to join the fight for its future.  

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    That's not true (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:07:08 AM EST
    They split the American public and sold everyone they needed permission from on Saddam having weapons of mass destruction that he could attack other nations with.

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    Sure, but a major strain of (none / 0) (#57)
    by observed on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:10:37 AM EST
    thought with the neocons was that Saddam was someone who had killed 100,000 of his own people, and it was of paramount importance that we prevent him from doing the same in the future.
    And we succeeded, admirably. Very few of the hundreds of thousands killed since 2003 were killed by Saddam.

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    What major strain? (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:26:07 AM EST
    I think you are wishing there was that major strain.  There was talk of removing a dangerous dictator, but we invaded Iraq in order to protect ourselves from Iraq.  It was all a lie in order to get an invasion underway, but that is why it happened.

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    Let's not forget ... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:27:07 AM EST
    the seizure of Libyan assets.  Probably the real reason for this war.  Another similarity.

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    I have to wonder (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:35:06 AM EST
    Now that I know that the Fed is involved in Libya, if they aren't worried about getting paid back now if he blows all that oil and sets wells on fire.  Doesn't he have to stay in power though in order to be on the hook for paying them back?  How does that all work out when dictators lose?  Did we stop Gaddafi forces from destroying even more stuff that was infrastructure though to protect our own interests?  Are these the interests that Obama was speaking of, the interest on the discount window at the FED?

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    Our invasion of Iraq was (none / 0) (#127)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:16:29 PM EST
    not only ill-informed & illegal & entirely without merit, it was immoral (IMO.) The fact that Iraq was wrong, however, does not make the Libyan military intervention wrong as well.

    If your statement immediately above is merely rejoinder and expressive of frustration/anger/disagreement with the decision to move as we did against Iraq, I understand that. What is at odds with a number of principles--including principles of logic--is that we view all potential military conflict through the Iraq lens. While it makes sense to view potential military engagements with the skepticism of experiences gained via Iraq (or Vietnam or other imbroglios), it is too limiting to always be fighting the last war. Learn, but avod paralysis. Elsewise, how would we evaluate a future Rwanda? Would we relook Bosnia & avoid the short-term, effective bombs over Belgrade?

    Finally, I do respect very much if your sentiment is one of genuine pacifism, opposed to all military interventions as ultimately doing more moral harm than good. I understand & respect that. Yet again, if this is a situation of simply not finding the case in Libya as a strong enough situation to justify intervention, that is an entirely different matter...and a position on which I disagree with you and on which opinion is divided.

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    So ... in short ... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:42:12 AM EST
    another so-called "Preventative War".

    A neo-con specialty.

    Next up Pre-Crime!

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    I'm curious, Robot Porter (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:25:48 PM EST
    Whether you believe that any recent examples in the past 20 or 30 years (or earlier) justified any form of military intervention on the basis of preventing a humanitarian tragedy/mass murder? If so, what form of intervention would you have used and why? I'd be particularly interested in your take on Serbia/Bosnia & Rwanda?

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    Here is another humanitarian act by Obama (none / 0) (#169)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:11:29 PM EST
    The White House, meanwhile, has suggested cutting the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program in its proposed 2012 budget.

    Meanwhile back in the Senate:

    "Sadly, rather than reaching a workable, bipartisan solution to responsibly address our staggering deficit ... our leaders have repeatedly given us a false choice between CR proposals that either don't go far enough to reduce federal spending and proposals that establish the wrong priorities that would disproportionately affect low-income families and seniors," he said in his floor speech, and repeated in his letter.
    ...
    "We must also be mindful that many of the proposed spending reductions would disproportionately affect the neediest among us, including housing and heating assistance. Likewise, some of the proposed cuts would be economically counterproductive, negatively impacting our ability to innovate and invest in research and development."

    Our Democratic president, the great humanitarian, is willing to let lower income people do without heat. The concern for the reductions that disproportionately affect low-income families and seniors was expressed by a Republican.

    Source for both quotes



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    Whatever happened (none / 0) (#3)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:47:25 AM EST
    to the idea that someone just disagrees.  The demonization of those with a different position isn't helpful.

    I think there was a coming humanitarian crisis that threatened the blossoming spread of democracy in the region, and Obama's team did what they had to do to stop it.

    Neo-cons go looking for a war to start.  This was forced upon us by events on the ground.

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    Force upons us by ... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:55:24 AM EST
    events on the ground?!?

    You're so funny!

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    memo to rebels everywhere: (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:32:43 AM EST
    Hole up in a populated town so that 'events on the ground' force US Intervention.

    Memo to tyrants: bring the foreign press into your compound so 'events on the ground' prevent your ouster.

    Can't blame us for feeling a little manipulated.

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    After all the forms of military agression (none / 0) (#134)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:38:36 PM EST
    that the US has been involved with in my lifetime and especially after the searing memory of Vietnam & Iraq, the word "manipulation" does have a loud ring. But, conversely, the urge to throw-up-one's-hands and scream (which so many of us have felt at different times) can be counterproductive. Sometimes we have to enter situations (and there are lots of personal metaphors that we can think of in our own lives) that remind us of being burned earlier. Its a judment call, isn't it?  In this case, the leader becomes the goat or the hero...depending on how the risk pays off.
    And, while we wait to see how this military incursion proceeds, it would be only natural to have lots of doubts throughout as to the correct course of action. I don't mean to sermonize...only to state my conviction that the progress of events in military activity cannot be known based on several days, etc. We want to know, because we live in a time that demands rapid communication...yet, that may be an inherent contradiction with successful military strategy & action?

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    "Events on the ground" (none / 0) (#9)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:03:18 AM EST
    Is a good phrase to use for Ghadaffi killing a bunch of people.

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    Not only did that ... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:12:48 AM EST
    not "force" the US to do anything.  But it doesn't rise to the standard of what the President is allowed to do without Congressional approval.

    In this sense, Obama's taking the trumped up war nonsense a step further than Bush.

    But only a few of us on the far left, and some on the libertarian right seem to care.

    It's only a violation of the constitution.  Why should anyone care?

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    I care (none / 0) (#20)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:20:39 AM EST
    Obama should have gotten congressional approval in an emergency session.  I think there is no way he would not have received it.

    However, my sense is that even if he got such authorization many "liberals" would be against us intervening to stop the slaughter, no?

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    Arbitrary and capricious use of (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by observed on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:05:27 AM EST
    war powers without congressional approval is just a minor detail, eh?

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    "arbitrary and capricious" is (none / 0) (#64)
    by brodie on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:21:59 AM EST
    a little over the top in this case don't you think?  I mean, Obama seeking to intervene militarily in Paraguay or Portugal would have been arbitrary and capricious, not to mention insane.  Reagan going into Grenada in 1983, LBJ going into the Dominican Republic in 1965 -- those were arbitrary and capricious military actions.  Junior going into Iraq had some of that flavor.

    But disagree on the merits with Libya, at least there were some legit humanitarian and even geopolitical reasons for going in, not to mention the unprecedented request from the Arab League and a number of countries in the region and int'l community overall that the US get involved.  

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    I don't think it is (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:28:24 AM EST
    But I think it is disingenuous to say that what Obama has done isn't the status quo for sitting American Presidents.

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    Definitely status quo... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:36:52 AM EST
    every once in awhile arms must be expended so the inventory can be replenished.

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    What if it goes stale? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:39:01 AM EST
    When Chinese ammo... (none / 0) (#90)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:59:16 AM EST
    gets very stale stoner 20-somethings in Florida buy it and resell it to Uncle Sam for "humantitarian" missions in Afghanistan at a handsome profit.

    We need to stop worrying about the drug trade and start looking at arms trade...I don't know whaddya think?

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    Never happen. (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:11:20 AM EST
    Too many big firms involved in arms. Cheap and easy way to get foreign capital, and let the dealers, like those two, worry about the consequences.

    International arms dealing makes way more than international drug dealing, and the factories employ a lot of folks. Drugs are petty cash compareed to arms.

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    Never happen is a given... (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:28:33 AM EST
    but we definitely have it backwards my friend.

    And don't be whooping my Mutts too badly this year, ya hear...who ever said Opening Day is a happy day was obviously not a Mutts fan.

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    Especially when you play (none / 0) (#104)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:33:09 AM EST
    in Bankster Park.

    Hey, you can be an honorary Braves fan... Phillies are supposed to romp this year, so we can both be underdogs.

    Nice to be a half game up, even if it's second day of the season!

    I just don't want to go Steinbrenner-- "We didn't win by ENOUGH!" RIP George.

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    That I could never do... (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:48:48 AM EST
    I bleed Orange & Blue, by birth.  My family would disown me and rightly so.  I could find an AL team to follow I guess...anybody but the Yanks.  But that league doesn't play real baseball.

    I got it...I can root for a total and utter Wilpon bankruptcy!  New ownership in 2012 would feel like a World Series win.  Go lawyers go!

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    What year were you born kdog? (none / 0) (#113)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:23:44 PM EST
    I can only be friends with you under a post-1969 Mets clause in the Mets-Cubs Treaty.

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    1977... (none / 0) (#114)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:26:35 PM EST
    we're good pal...with 8 years to spare!

    But isn't Cubbie-nation's gripe with the infamous black cat?  

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    Whew! (none / 0) (#123)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:53:36 PM EST
    Our gripes are legion - you accumulate a lot in 100 years without a trophy. Cats, goats, Mets, Marlins, Bartman....

    Great baseball book : The Cubs of '69, by Rick Tally (I think).  You would appreciate it as a Mets fan too, since much of the history is common.

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    You are doing (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 05:41:10 PM EST
    demonizing yourself.  Again today, you wrote about "Obama haters" here, when I know you've been told nobody here hates Obama, although we make disagree vociferously with his policies.  

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    I agree with you on this (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:08:59 AM EST
    Enough demonization...the Libya discussion has exposed a lot of that :)

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    Obama's team? I guess this is what (none / 0) (#25)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:31:19 AM EST
    people believe after they listen to a speech in which the president pats himself on the back for intervening in this imminent humanitarian crisis, when, in fact, the US pretty much had to be dragged on board by France and Britain.

    I'm not saying there was nothing going on in the background, diplomatically or otherwise, but this was, in no way, shape or form, a US led intervention.

    Nor am I saying that there wasn't something that should have been done, although I do believe the Congress should have been consulted.

    But you know what?  I'm really tired of the response to criticism for whatever it is the president's doing being that (1) we had no choice, (2) events forced us to act, (3) we inherited this problem from someone else, (4) we have to balance all the various points of view, (5) and it was the only thing we could do if we wanted Dems to secure their chances for re-election.

    It should be about policy and leadership, which has, in my opinion been (1) crappy and (2) sorely lacking (assuming one is in favor of a progressive/liberal agenda).

    It's long past time people stopped justifying and excusing bad policy and failure of leadership because it's coming out of a Democratic WH; it's not helping us get to a better place policy-wise.

    But then again, if you read this piece in The Nation, there's really no interest in the powers-that-be listening to anything we have to say, unless we're reading from the pre-approved script.

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    I know (none / 0) (#30)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:39:03 AM EST
    you are tired of hearing that "excuse" but that doesn't make it less true.

    The people of Libya rose up and demanded freedom, Ghaddafi demanded blood, moral obligation demanded some sort of response.

    As for leadership, that's this amorphous thing that means everything and nothing.  Obama is simultaneously not a leader because he "followed" Britain and France and he's not a leader because he acted too slowly and he'snot a leader because he should have been strong enough to resist the pull to war and he's not a leader because he won't commit to Ghaddafi's removal and he's not a leader because he's allowing NATO to take over and he's not a leader because he won't take a stand and demand that other country's do 100% of the work.

    He's not a leader for all of these reasons simultaneously, mind you.  This is in addition t him being a closeted Wall Street fatcat and a socialist and communist at the same time and a christian bigot who doesn't support gays and a secret muslim and an atheist who doesn't share americans christian values.

    When Obama said that he was a slate against which people project themselves and there feelings and emotions, he was on to something.

    That's the downside of having a pragmatic leader who doesn't stray to either extreme very much: he's going to alienate the poles.

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    But now you are insisting that your (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:45:50 AM EST
    opinion is the right one :)

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    Leadership, congressional (none / 0) (#48)
    by brodie on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:58:58 AM EST
    consultation:  I'm in favor of both.  In O's defense, at least he did consult with cong'l leaders before acting if not the entire body of pols.  And I'm sure he treated them with respect and listened to any dissenting views -- no debate about his willingness to listen to the other side of the aisle as we know.  Contrast that likely  scenario with this blast from the past true account of how one Dem prez handled "congressional consultation":

    "One time about seventy of us [members of Congress] were asked to the White House for a briefing on Vietnam," Frank Thompson a senior congressman from NJ told me, "and after Rusk and McNamara had given us the usual on body counts and pacification, I stood up and asked, 'Now is someone going to tell us the truth?'  Lyndon Johnson was standing at the side of the room, and when I spoke he strode over, grabbed me by the arm, said, 'I want you out of my house right now,' and, never loosening his grasp, led me out of the room and down the corridor to the exit.  

    As I walked out I said to him, 'It's not your house, Mr President.'  Two days later he called me: 'I want you to know that I was right in making you leave, but you were right that it's not my house.' He never talked to me again.  You know," the congressman reflected, "I'm an inch taller than he is.  But he seemed so big, I felt overwhelmed.  God he was a frightening man."

    From Richard Goodwin's Remembering America, p. 461

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    Only the part (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:12:54 AM EST
    about spreadin' freedom and democracy is an April fools joke.

    You invade Bahrain. We take out Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. This, in short, is the essence of a deal struck between the Barack Obama administration and the House of Saud. Two diplomatic sources at the United Nations independently confirmed that Washington, via Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, gave the go-ahead for Saudi Arabia to invade Bahrain and crush the pro-democracy movement in their neighbor in exchange for a "yes" vote by the Arab League for a no-fly zone over Libya...
    [snip]
    a full Arab League endorsement of a no-fly zone is a myth. Of the 22 full members, only 11 were present at the voting... only nine out of 22 members of the Arab League voted for the no-fly zone. The vote was essentially a House of Saud-led operation, with Arab League secretary general Amr Moussa keen to polish his CV with Washington with an eye to become the next Egyptian President.

    more... from Pepe Escobar today

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    Ha! We didn't give Gaddafi (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:44:55 AM EST
    arms, we gave him something much better. We gave him money.

    Trivia... (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 02:56:44 PM EST
    for the next party...what do Goldman Sachs and Gaddafi have in common? Besides the obvious:)

    The Fed makes it all possible...no wonder they love their secrets.  I hate to hand it to Fox and Bloomberg Corps, but good job with that lawsuit to shine a light on the Fed!  It is our currency being used and abused...we have a right to know.

    Now if I had that power to fire up the printers or add zeros to accounts...I'd create the next 3.3 trillion out of thin air to split up amongst ourselves and our favorite charities...no more soup for you Goldman or Gaddafi! Your economic oligarchal coup attempts are over...I suggest you do what your parents did....get real jobs sirs!

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    Diary link (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:06:58 AM EST
    The Most Logical Argument (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:40:55 AM EST
    the weather people lied (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by CST on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:05:15 AM EST
    They told me it was only going to snow west of 95 and that the city and coastal areas would not get snow.

    There's about 2 inches of snow on the ground today and last night it was coming down hard on my way home.  There are only 2 inches today because it started as rain so it took a long time for anything to stick.

    Mother Nature's April Fools joke I guess.  I am soooo ready for spring.

    Likewise here in Philadelphia (none / 0) (#86)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:53:30 AM EST
    Snow was predicted only north and east of here.  Woke up to big wet flakes.  Not sticking, though.

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    Apparently I`m incapable of linking (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by canuck eh on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:52:01 PM EST
    Washington Post blog yesterday morning; Obama accepted an award for transparency in government- behind closed doors with no cameras present!

    As said above- you just can`t make this stuff up

    I think it is very fitting (none / 0) (#147)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 03:21:11 PM EST
    to hold that awards ceremony behind closed doors with no cameras present (saves embarrassment for all parties involved).

    What I found inexcusable was the closed door meetings with pharma and the medical industries that traded away affordable health care and prescription drugs for the citizens of this country. Not exactly the same as having all meetings on C-span.

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    The US military was impressively (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 02:51:46 PM EST
    quick, and on such short notice, to establish the initial stages of the Libyan "no fly" zone.  I wonder how the Pentagon is doing on getting that DADT certification completed as set forth in that December 2010 legislative repeal action?

    Unemployment Rate drops (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:50:17 AM EST
    Don't have time to dig into the details, (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:37:53 AM EST
    but my questions would be:

    1.  Are the jobs full-time or part-time?

    2.  Are the salaries/wages lower?

    In other words, are people getting jobs, but not getting the full-time work they need, are people finding more part-time work, and are they accepting lower wages just to be employed?

    Friend at work has a daughter who got a "job" at a hotel near the airport; I put it in quotes because the hotel hired a slew of 20-somethings, but they don't work every day - and often get called to say they aren't needed - don't come in.  So, do these kinds of hires contribute to the lowering of the rate, and if so, is the rate giving a better picture than what people are experiencing out there?

    Am sure Wall Street will love it - new intra-day high on the Dow already this morning, so there you go.

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    Good (none / 0) (#32)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:41:22 AM EST
    questions and there are answers, but that's irrelevant to some degree, right. There are a million different standards of employment we could choose but this one is the one that we've used historically for decades. it may not be the most accurate, but it tells us where we are relative to other periods using the same standards.

    If we provide a number that addresses the aspect you raise, we'd need to do that for all other periods to get a realistic idea of how we are performing relative to other periods.

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    No, it's not irrelevant at all. (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:58:47 AM EST
    It absolutely matters whether people are finding good, full-time, well-paying jobs that will allow them to get out of the economic hole they're in and even improve theor standard of living.  The jobs we want people to have are ones that pay enough that people can come off assistance programs, and if you're working, but you still don't make enough to meet your or your family's needs, that's a problem.

    Take a look at this, from the NYT today.

    The Labor Department will release its monthly snapshot of the job market on Friday, and economists expect it to show that the nation's employers added about 190,000 jobs in March. With an unemployment rate that has been stubbornly stuck near 9 percent, those workers could be considered lucky.

    But many of the jobs being added in retail, hospitality and home health care, to name a few categories, are unlikely to pay enough for workers to cover the cost of fundamentals like housing, utilities, food, health care, transportation and, in the case of working parents, child care.

    A separate report being released Friday tries to go beyond traditional measurements like the poverty line and minimum wage to show what people need to earn to achieve a basic standard of living.

    Here's a link to that study.

    The Times has a graphic based on that study that shows what people actually need in order to meet their needs, which may allow you to appreciate that it absolutely does matter what kinds of jobs people are getting and how well they are being compensated.

    As for the unemployment rate, I'm pretty sure the BLS does track these kinds of details - I just don't have time to dig into that this morning.

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    Underemployment rate (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by samsguy18 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:35:17 AM EST
    Continues to rise.....it's at 20.3 %.


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    I know (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:54:48 PM EST
    I'm one of 'em.

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    Better than expected (none / 0) (#19)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:17:19 AM EST
    government jobs were lost (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:25:07 AM EST
    and the rate still went down.


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    Isn't there some neo-con economic theory (5.00 / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:56:27 AM EST
    ... that laying off government workers reduces unemployment?  If tax cuts for the rich can reduce the deficit, why not?

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    Yes, good news there (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:28:12 AM EST
    My local paper (none / 0) (#58)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:11:31 AM EST
    (the Seattle Times) said that this number was still greatly due to the discouraged worker effect.  And the number of discouraged workers is HUGE.

    If those discouraged workers become "encouraged" by this number, the unemployment rate will go right back up.

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    Here's the Seattle Times version (none / 0) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:18:57 AM EST
    of the story

    Link

    Another month of brisk hiring provided the latest sign that the economy is strengthening nearly two years after the recession ended. Still, a surprisingly large number of people who stopped looking for work during the downturn have yet to start looking again.

    and then later:

    A big factor in the lower unemployment rate is that the proportion of people who either have a job or are looking for one is surprisingly low for this stage of the recovery.

    Me thinks this info might be Surprisingly strong evidence of number manipulation.  Just count more people as discouraged workers, and your unemployment rate goes down....

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    Additional breakdown of numbers (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:50:46 AM EST
    There remain 13.5 million unemployed Americans, according to the survey, with 6.1 million considered long-term unemployed (that means out of work for more than 26 weeks). This is the number that keeps rising; it now makes up 45.5% of the entire unemployed workforce. The longer you're out of a job, the longer it takes to find a job. And because extended benefits currently run out at 99 weeks, the clock is really ticking for this segment.

    In addition to the 13.5 million unemployed, there are still 8.4 million involuntary part-time workers. This is little changed from the previous month. But it shows you how many millions are either out of work or part-time because they cannot find enough hours. Add to that 921,000 "discouraged workers," who have given up looking for work because they don't believe any jobs are available for them. And those who have totally left the labor force aren't even counted in the BLS survey. link

    Public sector jobs have decreased by 416,000  since September 2008 more layoffs are on the way.

    Since the employment-population ratio, the average workweek, and average hourly earnings were all unchanged, these are not exactly high-paying jobs coming into the labor force.


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    Have you posted a comment yet on (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:53:20 PM EST
    the study discussed at TL sidebar re yrly. income needed to support self, self and 2 kids, 2 adults and 2 kids?  Those part time, low pay/no benefits jobs won't do it.  

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    Read about the results of the study (none / 0) (#148)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:04:00 PM EST
    Have not used the data in comment of my own. A lot of data to condense in a comment. Although your one sentence sums it up pretty well.

    Those part time, low pay/no benefits jobs won't do it.

    Hopefully I'm being to pessimistic but I just see us drifting back to the pre-FDR days. Seems like the days of the robber barons are coming back full force. With "big money" controlling so much of our media and our government, I'm not sure what can be done about it.

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    Credit where due... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:08:36 AM EST
    Rep. Steve Israel pulled some strings to correct a heinous error on the part of the state...deporting a 4 year old American citizen to Guatemala.

    Hope the little girl is not too worse for the trauma, wear, and tear.  I apologize on behalf of our tyrannized nation, little lady.  

    And tell Mom & Dad to stay on the down low, there may be ruffled feathers in government with a score to settle.  

    You think like I do (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:11:37 AM EST
    Well sort of.  Other people around here warned me that when the magistrate's aide, or secretary, or whatever she is is mad at you in Enterprise, she angles for you all she can.  She doesn't have as much money though these days to angle for anything other than hoping to stay employed :)

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    Sounds like your magistrate... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:24:19 AM EST
    could be even more dangerous...like a cornered animal.  Might look for a mega-collar to get a promotion or something. Hope Tommy Chong ain't selling any glass down there or anything:)

    "Find me the man and I'll find the crime"
    - Lavrenti Beria

    And in our over-criminalized society, it really is that simple, a piece of cake.  Anybody, and I mean anybody, could do time if a persecutor decided to target them...thats how much we have criminalized life.  

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    It's really scary right now (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:30:19 AM EST
    We just flat out enjoy locking people up too.  As I'm getting older I'm of course a much more boring person.  I'm not at some party where someone gets in a tiff anymore and our hormones are falling off, we are boring.  But my daughter and all of the 20 somethings around here are terrified of law enforcement.  Understand too, my daughter as a teen liked to defy me and ditch school but she hates drugs and drinks very little and doesn't like parties or go to them.  She is terrified of law enforcement here though because of what she has seen them do to others and get away with.  She says they are extremely corrupt here.

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    The young... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:46:10 AM EST
    always get targeted more so than the old, the poor more so than the rich...and sun god help you if you're young, poor, and brown...might as well walk around with your hands on your head with that trifecta.

    Parents...one of the most important lessons you need to teach your kids is how to interact with a police officer and protect themselves from arrest.

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    She is my daughter though (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:54:21 AM EST
    Remember when Jeralyn put up what was legal and not legal when you are pulled over, but she advised that you do what the police officer tells you?  I went over that with my daughter.  Then the car she was in did get pulled over coming out of club in Dothan.  The police officer gave the driver one of those instant breathalizer tests and he had had nothing to drink.  So then the police officer decided to unload the whole car on the side of the road and give all of them a breathalizer test.  Standing on the side of the road my daughter decides to say outloud, "This is soooo phucking illegal!"  And the cop did tell them all to get in the car and go home and he did get back into his car and go away without following through with his initial plan :)  God help us all in this day :)

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    I remember you... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:12:49 AM EST
    telling that story...good for her.  Talkleft can save your life, or at least your quality of life:)

    Maybe next time she skips the f-bomb though...free speech is a myth I'm afraid.  People have gotten locked up for speaking so freely...crazy I know, but true.  

    Not that is wasn't totally deserved, coulda even used a motherf*cker on the backend imo:)

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    I wish this was an april fools joke (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:32:14 AM EST
    I love this (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CST on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:46:04 AM EST
    whole thread.

    The articles you link to have comments that rail against wastefull government spending.

    Over here, we're much more concerned with the fact that it's terrible art.

    Hilariously terrible art.

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    ok (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:49:09 AM EST
    if you want art.  spend the money on this.

    ReALIze, rising in the plaza of LA Live, just outside Los Angeles's Staples Center, is a collaboration between several local creatives: artist and sculptor Michael Kalish and the architects at Oyler Wu Collaborative. The piece consists of an immense, two-story steel framework, more than five miles of cable, and more than 1,300 suspended speedbags.



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    that's amazing (none / 0) (#156)
    by sj on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:51:16 PM EST
    you find the coolest stuff

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    I am all for spending money on art (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:10:33 AM EST
    but holy moly

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    Used to see posters and statues like (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:13:06 AM EST
    that one in head shops in the 1960s. They weren't pretty then!

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    Oh, good. Thought maybe you were ok (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:36:05 PM EST
    w/getting rid the National Endowment for the Arts.

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    you know what (none / 0) (#119)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:37:09 PM EST
    this is exactly the kind of thing that gives arguments like that traction.


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    Aside from the question of whether (none / 0) (#110)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:14:45 PM EST
    government money should be spent at all for something like this in the current economic climate, two of the four proposals were actually good, particularly the glass sculpture.

    That fairy/frog one is hideous - maybe even worse than the Male/Female, 50 foot metal sculpture outside Baltimore's Penn Station (it also has a heart that lights up and changes colors!).  It was not, however paid for with public money - it waas a gift - to the tune of $750,000 - so I guess that might be the only thing going for it...

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    Sorry, no (none / 0) (#155)
    by sj on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:50:50 PM EST
    No way is that horrible fairy/frog thing more hideous than the male/female sculpture at Penn station.

    Which I see nearly every day because the d@mn thing is 50 feet tall.  But at least Male/Female has more than 2500 people looking at it.  Unfortunately.

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    Hey, but ..but (5.00 / 0) (#125)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:03:41 PM EST
    it lights up, gurgles "sounds of nature" and  a 10-foot fairy girl is nothing to sneeze at.

    Feeding people is government waste but this is a good investment because...because ...

    What's more, the official said that the $600,000 is federal money, and that no Alexandria funds will pay for the art.


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    Oh dear (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:09:49 PM EST
    That's going to be put a couple of miles from where I live.  If they really put it up, I'll see if I can get over and get a picture.

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    I'm dying laughing (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:42:23 AM EST
    Everything the military tries to call art is ugly as hell, all their buildings are ugly as hell....but the uniforms have improved.  Do you know what they adore on Fort Rucker though outside of the old aircraft they put on display when it is broken?  It is this old giant cement polar bear.  I can't remember his name, but he has a name.  I think he must have been a part of hawking icees in front of some old 7-11 in the 70's on post or something.  He has been saved and moved to various locations on post though for years.  What does a polar bear have to do with Army Aviation or Alabama? They just moved him again two years ago because the building he was in front of said he needed to go :)

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    I knew a woman whose civil service (none / 0) (#115)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:33:17 PM EST
    position for the U.S. Air Force was to commission art, i.e., oil paintings of new aircraft.  Then she got to fly all over the place for the unveiling ceremonies.  But the paintings were kind of boring.

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    I feel so much safer knowing (5.00 / 0) (#118)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:36:21 PM EST
    I am paying some yahoo to fly around and commission bad portraits of airplanes.

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    She is/was a very pleasant person. Does (none / 0) (#121)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:50:41 PM EST
    that count?  Plus my aunt says she was influential in landing the woman the position.  In my aunt's view, that debt could never be fully repaid.

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    Wow - I know next to nothing ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Yman on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:42:53 AM EST
    ... about art, but this looks like something my daughter would've dreamed up ...

    ... in Kindergarten.

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    Hey man... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:54:03 AM EST
    artwork, even hideously ugly, doesn't get anybody killed.  I say lets spend the whole Pentagon budget on sh*tty art...we'll be ahead of the game.

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    If the Penatgon's consistent, (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:23:05 PM EST
    the artist is the son-daughter-wife-husband-erstwhile business partner etc of some brass, as*hat who owes someone (and himself) a favor.

    Though, to look further into it could only mean that you hate our military and, quite likely, America itself.

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    What does this represent though? (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:55:47 AM EST
    The inner child of the Pentagon?

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    600,000 freaking dollars (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:57:16 AM EST
    honest to god (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:56:57 AM EST
    I mean seriously.  wtf?

    its not even executed well.

    like someone said it looks like a fifth grader made it.

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    dunno (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:56:10 AM EST
    I think that ugliness is powerful enough to kill the old or sick.


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    A new weapon (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:59:57 AM EST
    Wait till the Franklin Mint (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:33:18 AM EST
    comes out with commercials to sell a miniature you can own yourself for just three payments...

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    if it was paperweight (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:36:38 AM EST
    size it would be the ugliest thing ever.  I cant even imagine a 15 foot version.  it would make babies cry and dogs wet themselves.


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    OMG, is it carrying a walnut? (none / 0) (#73)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:34:01 AM EST
    That's a riot.

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    From Rising Hegemon (none / 0) (#38)
    by lilburro on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:49:59 AM EST
    this is hysterical:  Your Republican Front-Runner, Mike "Pol Pot" Huckabee.

    Interesting to go back to the thread from 2 years ago.  The epic drama.  


    what the hell (none / 0) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:54:36 AM EST
    man I just got a link that I wont even share here because its below even me.  but its on youtube.  the video is called "Obey the Walrus" if you are brave enough to search for it.  honest to god I will never get that image out of my head.  I curse the person who sent it to me.  but wtf is this?  was the person invovled?  is this horrible exploitation?  why is this still on youtube.
    there are several "reaction videos" so it must have been there for a while.  

    rant over.

     

    ah (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:58:38 AM EST
    its on picture is unrelated dot com

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    there is (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:07:30 AM EST
    wow (none / 0) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:09:53 AM EST
    apparently I am late to another internet phenom.

    I like this comment:


    I have no idea what I just saw... But there's an important question that I must ask, where's my memories erase button? ...


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    we are doomed as a species (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:13:12 AM EST

    Obey the walrus, known in Spanish as "Obedece la Morsa", is a video that was allegedly created by a Latin American cult known as "La Morsa" (The Walrus) and it is said that "bad things" happen after watching the video.

    The "woman" featured in the video is actually old footage of an American Tranny born as Johnnie Baima who later obtained the "stage" name of Sandie Crisp, he is more popularly known by the nickname "Goddess Bunny".

    The Goddess Bunny obtained his "figure" when he contracted polio as a child.

    The Goddess Bunny has nothing to do with the cult of La Morsa, it is simply archived footage of him that has been edited and spread on the internet along with the stories of it being haunted for the sole purpose of making you -blam!- bricks



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    Thanks a lot (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:30:49 AM EST
    I just watched it.  What horror movie is this plot from?  Isn't the phone supposed to ring right now?

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    Im sorry (none / 0) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:33:20 AM EST
    I don't believe in jinxs (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:37:55 AM EST
    I would buy a lottery ticket now if Alabama had a lottery :)

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    Lottery drama... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:51:29 AM EST
    I can't get over the poor guy who opted out of the office lotto pool he usually joined for lack of a measley two bucks...and they f*ckin' hit the Mega!  Even when I'm broke as a joke, I'll hit the change compartment in the car to get in the lotto pool...for this very reason.  I ain't gonna be the last arsehole workin' here:)

    But he seems to be keeping excellent perspective and attitude about the whole thing...happy to have a good job, etc.  Impressive.  Not me, no ma'am...I'm sick for 3 days when I hit 4 outta 6 in the Pick-6 and happened to consider the two winners I didn't play...a bad beat like this I would never recover from:)

    Here's hoping the winners do the right thing and throw him ten grand apiece or something.  Good karma never hurts.

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    thats sort of like winning the lottery (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:57:20 AM EST
    in reverse.  

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    In Europe they call the lottery (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:02:12 AM EST
    "the poor people's tax".

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    I call it (none / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:06:34 AM EST
    a tax on the stupid.

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    you have the same odds (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:11:22 AM EST
    of being mauled by a polar bear and a regular bear in the same day.


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    in rural Arizona. (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:14:08 AM EST
    I call it (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:22:20 PM EST
    the only way we seem to fund education in FL

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    It is the suckers bet... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:12:47 AM EST
    of all suckers bets, to be sure...but as my pops used to say "but it's the only chance for a guy like me to retire, how sad is that?"

    The odds are better to be struck by lightning...yet people do get struck by lightning, and people do win the lottery.

    That being said I never play on my own, just the office pool.  I like the feeling of cashing a winner once in awhile...so I stick to the numbers when it comes to NYS Lottery games. Special lady's birthday is due to hit real soon...I can smell it.

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    the goddess bunny (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:47:13 AM EST
    od dear god (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:48:14 AM EST
    Sandie became a minor internet celebrity by appearing in this video and the band Punk Bunny's video Water Sports. More notable was her appearance in Marilyn Manson's Dope Show video, as an object of sexual affection for Manson and crew. Sandie also appeared in a Carrie Fisher movie called "Hollywood Vice Squad".


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    The real world (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:51:29 AM EST
    Is a many splendored thing

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    and they say (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 10:57:45 AM EST
    us gamers are weird.  right now I feel positively main stream.

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    Doubt it! (none / 0) (#120)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:39:56 PM EST
    Funny or die website (none / 0) (#99)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:19:15 AM EST
    has a "Friday" theme today. Good april fool's/friday stuff.

    Eight UN workers killed (none / 0) (#103)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:30:13 AM EST
    in northern Afghanistan, two beheaded. Protests against burning of the Quran.

    I wish it was an April Fool's joke.

    Saw that too (none / 0) (#135)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:38:52 PM EST
    Too sad for words.

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    And, if one reads the TL sidebar, it (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:24:18 PM EST
    is entirely the fault of U.S.  Wouldn't we do the same if Muslims burned a Bible?  NO.

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    Wow -- monster dunk (none / 0) (#108)
    by brodie on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 11:50:16 AM EST
    great piece today at Salon by David Talbot, author of the recent book Brothers about the Kennedys and Dallas, and why so much trash and junk about that family will be produced by Hollywood in the next few years while his own outstanding book, once a hot movie property, got dumped.

    A sample

    Yes, I know -- "It's Chinatown, Jake" -- get over it. There are a million sad stories in Naked Hollywood. But something seemed rigged here, as one network after the next turned down "Brothers" -- something political under the surface. Oliver Stone, whom I met somewhere along the way, told me in a matter-of-fact tone, "'Brothers' will never get made in this town." Stone knew something about the subject. His "JFK," released back in 1991, was the last movie to offer a deep and brave interpretation of the Kennedy tragedy. For his efforts, Stone was so savagely pilloried, he still hasn't fully recovered his reputation or -- it seems to me -- his political self-confidence.


    "13 Days" is one of the (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 06:02:57 PM EST
    few excellent pieces of entertainment about the JFK era.

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    A dunk indeed (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 12:33:19 PM EST
    Last paragraph - ouch! I'd quote it if I hadn't argued enough the last day or so.

    His books sounds good, whether it makes it to the screen or not. I will have to like into it. I have not dipped a toe into the Kennedy lit pool for a while.

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    "Brothers" is an extraordinary (none / 0) (#162)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 05:58:41 PM EST
    book.  

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    TARP (none / 0) (#130)
    by CST on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:23:20 PM EST
    has officially turned a profit.  Link

    "The Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, was the government's highest-profile attempt at stabilizing the crumbling financial system. Treasury invested $245 billion into hundreds of the nation's banks in recent years. With a series of repayments this week, $251 billion has now been returned to government coffers, the agency said yesterday."

    So who owns the toxic debt now? (none / 0) (#150)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:14:01 PM EST
    Pretty sure what Atrios calls the 'big sh*tpile' is still out there. If I remember correctly....we got it, from the takeover of fannie and freddy. We helped the banks get over it, we repaid AIG for insuring it, they repaid Goldman. But the mortgagees still owe the banks, and they are still too big to fail.

    Mission Accomplished!

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    You can`t make this ish up! (none / 0) (#136)
    by canuck eh on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:49:15 PM EST


    Sorry- link (none / 0) (#137)
    by canuck eh on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:49:59 PM EST


    National Journal has a very eye-popping (none / 0) (#140)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 01:56:01 PM EST
    chart and map up today on the demographic changes by state since the 2008 election. Quite detailed...unfortunately, I forgot where it was displayed, HuffPo or TPM(?) What it shows is that a number of key states might be less precarious for the Obama campaign than once hypothesized...its all about the percentages, now & then, and how they have changed to favor the President if he maintains the level of minority vote that he obtained in 2008. (N.M., Texas, & Colorado are important.)

    Yeah (none / 0) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 02:02:40 PM EST
    but TX isn't there yet.

    Obama's problem as it appears right now is motivating people to show up not demographics.

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    Why didn't anyone tip me off Tim Tebow's (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 02:01:40 PM EST
    first Jockey ad is on air in Denver area?  See Huff. Post.  

    Can't make me (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 02:23:23 PM EST
    Waist up ad for new T-shirt. (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 02:27:17 PM EST
    Would have (none / 0) (#149)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:08:06 PM EST
    but thought you might still be more interested in Jim Palmer in his Jockeys.

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    Who the heck is Jim Palmer? (none / 0) (#151)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:20:43 PM EST
    Pitcher for the... (none / 0) (#154)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:49:53 PM EST
    Orioles maybe? In the 70s. Major league hunk. Did underwear ads.

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    Who's Jim Palmer? (none / 0) (#157)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 05:36:34 PM EST
    Wone 264 games for the Orioles. Hall of fame. Extremely blue eyes.

    He was also something of a hypochondriac, took himself out of a few games for non-existent muscles causing him problems, lol!

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    And for kdog (none / 0) (#160)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 05:47:14 PM EST
    we should mention, he was also the loser of Game 3 of the 1969 World Series against The Amazin' Mets.

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    Forgot that one... (none / 0) (#161)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 05:48:17 PM EST
    He and Earl Weaver had some nice shouting matches, though.

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    I know I am (none / 0) (#153)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 04:48:17 PM EST
    I'd toss up a picture (none / 0) (#159)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 05:42:30 PM EST
    of the "at the time" controversial billboard, but I don't want to turn oculus retroactively into a Baltimore Oriole fan. Let's just say that was pre-boxer and t-shirt days.

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    O's fans are born... (none / 0) (#165)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:24:33 PM EST
    ...not made.  Especially since the glory days are but a distant memory.  

    /O's fan born and bred

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    Ah...Jim Palmer... (none / 0) (#164)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:09:27 PM EST
    years ago, when I was in junior high (in Maryland - Oriole land), my mom was the president of the my brother's elementary school PTA, and she managed to get Jim Palmer to come to the school as a draw for a fundraiser.  It had to have been 1965 or '66 - I wish I could remember the year.

    He was so young, and as a teenager, I remember thinking that he was the dreamiest thing I had ever seen.  I mean, look at this and tell me this guy wasn't hot!

    I got to meet him, got his autograph - which I still have - good God, that was 47 years ago...oh, I feel like I should go get my walker out to shuffle off to bed...

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    I certainly agreed at the time (none / 0) (#167)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 08:53:35 PM EST
    Though looking at it now it reminds me too much of the beefcake photo of Sen Scott Brown.

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    Argh...it's "only" been 45 years... (none / 0) (#168)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 at 09:08:07 PM EST
    I guess my brain is more fried than I realized.

    It's been one of those weeks, I guess.

    But, hey - the sun finally came out for a few minutes!  Was beginning to think the color of spring was gray.

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    First time he's been seen semi-naked (none / 0) (#170)
    by observed on Sat Apr 02, 2011 at 04:29:07 PM EST
    by a woman, oc?

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