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Budget Meeting Ends, No Deal Yet

Both sides are stringing the budget talks along. The latest meeting between President Obama and Republicans ended tonight with the parties closer, but not yet pulling out the cigar.

The House passed a one week stopgap bill that would continue funding for the troops (could their gamesmanship be any more transparent?) and Obama promises to veto it.

Apparently, the holdup is abortion funding and clean air. Does anyone not see this as mere Republican blustering?

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    The Republicans have already won (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 08:51:52 PM EST
    and they're holding out to add insult to injury. I believe, unless the President caves on the riders, that they will shut down the government to prove that they're serious.

    The debate is over how many tens of billions to cut (in the throes of a recession), and nobody has successfully challenged the following nonsense from Eric Cantor:

    We do not want to shut the government down. We don't accept the status quo. We don't want to bankrupt this nation. We believe there is a fiscal crisis demanding urgent action.

    That last line isn't even debatable. It's simply false. And the American people will suffer because the President has refused to even attempt to counter it.

    I don't think he's attempted to counter it (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 09:37:32 PM EST
    because, in many respects, he agrees with it; he's been focused on "getting our fiscal house in order" almost since he took the oath.

    So, failing the president countering this false crisis, what has prevented the Democratic caucus from taking up the slack, functioning as the independent body they are and taking the lead?

    Nothing.  So, what's their excuse?  Are they buying into it, too, are they acting out of fear that Obama will cut them off from all the big-money donors if they don't do his bidding?  

    What is it?

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    obama is a hardcore (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by observed on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 11:57:27 PM EST
    Reagan republican, economically, which necessasily entails being slow on the uptake in these matters. By the way, did any democrat mention that pp does the most cancer screening of any org in thd country?


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    Obama (none / 0) (#17)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:03:19 AM EST
    is not a hardcore Reagan Republican.  

    He's just not.

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    Okay (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:11:19 AM EST
    He's not a hardcore Reagan Republican just a garden variety Reagan Republican.

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    yes right. (none / 0) (#21)
    by star on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:16:07 AM EST
    Obama is "hardcore" nothing. I agree with you.

    He will follow polls not principles. This is exactly the problem a lot of us have with him-  we'd like to be sure where he stands - what his principles are....

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    Is so :) (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:44:43 AM EST
    Hoo hah, MT (none / 0) (#41)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:18:27 PM EST
    If you are thinking that the Obama is Reagan claim after awhile sounds like the sandbox "He is too...he is not...is so...no...but, he is too!", I agree that it made me laugh.

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    Economically, he is far to the (none / 0) (#29)
    by observed on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:53:35 AM EST
    right of the Republican party of the 80's. Just learn to read and we'll all get along.

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    Are you practicing the (none / 0) (#40)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:15:43 PM EST
    "say it often enough" technique?  That's a technique the Republicans use with aplomb...keep saying the sky is orange (and maybe it will be if people hear it often enough) and just throw it out there (and maybe the evidence will turn up one day.)  Hypnotic in a strange way....

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    NO, that's your [paid?] Shtick (2.00 / 1) (#46)
    by observed on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:59:11 PM EST
    I'm comparing his economic policy to Reagan and W.'s. He's more conservative on taxes, he's more bank-friendly. He's closer to getting SS cut than either of them.
    Etc.
    Obama would have been too far right for the 1980 Republican party, Christine.
    Perhaps you aren't old enough to have the life experience that many of us bring to conversations here.
    Stick around and you may learn something!
    Cheers!

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    oops, forgot my age (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 03:05:21 PM EST
    etc. No, buddy. I'm retired after 30 years government experience as an attorney and manager in EPA's enforcement & policy programs. Heck, you accomplished something there, observed...proudly declaring the age (or age range anyway.)

    During the Reagan years, I was almost transferred (i.e., removed) by the national administrator for my pro-enforcement words and, even as a manager, my open support for the AFGE local. Chance/luck stepped in when Administrator Gorsuch was found in contempt of Congress at that time and was forced out...so, the transfer papers were not finalized. BTW, prior to that and with my Congresswoman's help, I spoke with other Congressional staffers and other Representatives about the at-the-time-not-yet-known shenanigans (i.e., shredding documents, "enemy lists," free luncheons by business for high-level appointees, etc.) Yes, bro...I am all too personally aware of the 1980s & Reagan.

    If you would like documentation or a recap of my initial ACLU work or my support for unions (including being an establishing member of the local AFGE and including rendering a legal opinion opposing the Reagan view while I was in the Agency), I'd be delighted to oblige.

    My strong point: Don't be condescending to me on this one & get off the high-horse. I've lived it and fought the fight and continue to do so. I don't whine or just make smarta** comments. Life is too short. (Your apology is accepted...because we can always start anew.  I am old enough, experience enough, and practical enough to know that even tho at this time my hands are pounding the keyboard.)

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    pardon me for not (none / 0) (#51)
    by observed on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 05:14:54 PM EST
    Knowing your age. You come across as being inexperienced.  Again, stick around and you may learn something. Honestly, it is hard to believe you unable to compare reagan and obama objectively.


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    Observed: We see things differently (none / 0) (#53)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 08:34:29 PM EST
    If there is a specific issue that you would like to address, I would be happy to talk about it. As for Reagan: My disgust about him is unbounded...unlike some converts, I never voted for the actor, but found him to be a personable tool & frontman for the burgeoning conservative movement at the time. I am aware of those issues at the time and the issues now. For me, to talk about Reagan's philosophy & Obama's philosophy at the same time does not compute. (The "tax situation" then & now appear to have a surficial similarity; but, upon closer inspection, it has a lot to do with the movement of the populace--aka the electorate--as a result of conservative dominance in the intervening years. And, yes, I would want President Obama to make good on his earlier call for restoring pre-Bush tax rates for the wealthiest among us. That restoration should occur within his Presidency, I believe.)

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    No, no pay here...what about you? (none / 0) (#47)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 02:52:48 PM EST
    ad hom attacks (none / 0) (#50)
    by lilburro on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 03:39:05 PM EST
    are just silly.  I am personally getting tired of them on this blog.

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    Oh, please (none / 0) (#52)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 07:16:14 PM EST
    while I don't often agree with Christine, I don't think her posts are ad homs.

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    Altho I sometimes stoop to sarcasm, etc., (none / 0) (#55)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 08:44:40 PM EST
    I would join you in calling for a cessation of attacks clothed in snide/snarky/one-upsmanship jokes. Pile-on quips about the state-of-things seem to more readily descend into the who-can-go-lower routine we used to practice at about 14 or 15. For my part, I'll rein in when my frustration overtakes me.

    Mostly, I'm a "where do we go from here" type. That is: Establish a free vent zone for a day or two, get the arguments out there with clarification questions asked & answered, with genuine respect for different opinions/takes, and with a options discussion (brainstorming plus.) What is the ideal, where are the differences, where can some agreement be reached as to a few acceptable items...even on a blog. It is doable.

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    Obama using his typical (none / 0) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:16:27 AM EST
    validating argument. Great counter.

    "They're difficult issues. They're important to both sides and so I'm not yet prepared to express wild optimism," the president said.
    ...
    In a shift in position, Obama said he would sign a short-term measure keeping the government running even without an agreement to give negotiations more time to succeed. link

    The Dems have forked up another 1.5 billion in cuts and now Republicans have floated a plan giving state officials discretion in deciding how to distribute family planning funds that now go directly from the federal government to organizations such as Planned Parenthood. That should work well as I can easily see some very red states using that money to fund organizations like the Candies Foundation where the bulk of the funds go to a politically connected person to give a few speaks on abstinence.

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    I really hate to nit pick (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by themomcat on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:12:13 AM EST
    and I hate that term, too, but please stop calling the funding for Planned Parenthood "abortion funding" it is not. As per Planned Parenthood, all the funds that it receives from the Federal gov't are used only for Pap Smears, Mammograms, family counseling and other women's health issues. None of the money is used to perform abortions or for abortion counseling, those services aren't even done at the same locations. These Tea Party Republicans just don't like it that PP takes care of poor women who might never see a gynecologist.

    Thanks

    Sorry, you're right (none / 0) (#8)
    by themomcat on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:39:20 AM EST
    I forgot about this anti-abortion policy restriction banning D.C. from using its own local funds for abortions.

    //

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    I even heard the BBC call it (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:52:06 PM EST
    'the regulation of abortion'. How do the Republicans manage to do that? Is it just because they pick the most sensationalistic words and the media eats it up like catnip?

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    Countdown to Obama (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Makarov on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:05:39 AM EST
    signing yet another bill that further restricts a woman's right to choose in 3..2..1..

    And as someone already noted above, Planned Parenthood doesn't and can't use federal funds for abortion now anyway. They're used for women's health and reproductive services, including increasing access to birth control.

    However, the hard right of the Republican Party doesn't like this. They believe having sex should have consequences - preferably a baby. This is exactly why Republicans oppose the use of stem cells in experimentation to cure disease, but you'll never see a protest in front of a fertility clinic no matter how many viable embryos those businesses "kill".

    Back to Obama. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think the man has seen a Great Society program he wouldn't like to see "reformed" or eradicated. His 2012 re-election legislative priority is likely to be cutting the top marginal rate.

    He's just fixing the excesses of the 60's (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by observed on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 08:57:12 AM EST
    .. then he'll fix the excesses of the 30's,
    and perhaps then the excesses of the Populist Era.
    He's a regular fixer, Obama is.

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    Excesses of the 30's (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:34:08 AM EST
    Several Republicans, including one in MO (state gov.), are abdicating "fixing" the 1930's Child Labor Laws by either drastically reducing the restrictions or eliminating them altogether. They are unconstitutional, you know.

    Wonder how Obama would frame a bipartisan stance  on this.

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    "We're all in this together" (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:41:02 AM EST
    When this phase is all over... (none / 0) (#43)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:23:24 PM EST
    then will have a list of what actually has been cut in terms of programs other than unspent earmarks which, I believe, by themselves added up to well over $12B. It will be interesting to see the results, won't it?

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    Republican demands on spending cuts (none / 0) (#2)
    by Politalkix on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 09:36:29 PM EST
    always target programs that disproportionately affect Democratic voting constituencies adversely-women, African Americans, Hispanics, etc. Unless Democrats learn to ruthlessly target programs that are going to cause pain to Republican voters, this Republican nonsense of trying to shut down government will occur over and over again.

    Not federal government (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 10:41:53 PM EST
    funding of abortions. The federal funding is the help Planned Parenthood provides sliding scale necessary gyn. health care.  

    But it's somehow turned into (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by nycstray on Thu Apr 07, 2011 at 11:20:02 PM EST
    "abortion funding". ABC evening news framed it as that (graphic included) as I sat here and went WTF?! (and no, not "winning the future".)

    Gawd these people are driving me NUTS. And I really don't see O getting his sh*t together and correcting the narrative . . .

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    I made the same error (none / 0) (#9)
    by themomcat on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:40:55 AM EST
    see my comment to me below
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    adult male (AA) is (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:22:58 AM EST
    Watching the Pres.
    on a TV in window @ Warner Center. Subject is poss. fed. gov't. shutdown/fed. budget. I asked the man what he thought would happen. He sd., Obama is all about re-election now. Then he sd., if Congress pulls this crap, Congress should not be paid for an entire year. Man spoke w/an accent. Probably born in an African nation--my guess.

    imo, he's right (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:32:33 AM EST
    they shut down, they should give up pay. not like any of them need the $$$, and this is about the budget . . .  or so they say. :)

    San Bruno Rep Speier sd today that the (dems?) had passed something that they would not take pay, but the right blocked it (iirc). she will donate her pay to local charities. and invited them to get their bids in . . .

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    Linda Sanchez says she can't give up her check (none / 0) (#13)
    by BTAL on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 07:29:53 AM EST
    No Linda... (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 08:24:13 AM EST
    you are living beyond your means, like most Americans, like America herself.

    174 large per and living check to check?  Try 24 large per.

    Is our representation from another planet?  The nerve to think that, never mind say it.

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    Why does it matter (none / 0) (#18)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:05:50 AM EST
    that he was african american?

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    Here's a fun tidbit (none / 0) (#15)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 08:39:15 AM EST
    My sister works at the FDA and is a "non-excepted" employee, which means, if the government shuts down, she doesn't go to work.  Apparently, at many agencies, if you are a"non-excepted" employee, you will still have to come to work Monday morning to sign papers saying you understand you're furloughed, and turn in any government property (Balckerries, laptops, etc.) and then leave.  So get up to rush to work, just to be forced to go back home.

    Rush hour will be interesting around here Monday if this happens.

    Are you serious? (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:07:49 AM EST
    I assume they won't be paid for Monday morning either.  They should refuse to show up to sign a stupid form...but I guess that would cost them their jobs permanently.

    Once in a very blue moon my stupid arse looks like a genius...if they shut 'er down that will be one of those times.  I won't ever work for the government directly...bad enough living under it, I won't let 'em be my boss too.

    Between this and the economic apocolypse of '08 my blue moons seem to be hitting more frequently:)

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    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#23)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:19:59 AM EST
    I am serious.  And I don't think they will get paid, since the government runs out of money tonight.

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    Government has money... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:26:59 AM EST
    DEA will be out tyrannizing Monday morning, like every other Monday...and jackboots don't smash faces for free, as much as they may love their jobs.

    They are just crying poverty to gut services people might actually need or appreciate...as part of the grander reverse Robin Hood scheme.

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    Maybe (3.50 / 2) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 10:34:30 AM EST
    the form should be signed today...Friday.... cellphones, etc., turned in...

    That way they couldn't have to come in IF the gov shuts down...

    And if it doesn't the forms could be trashed, cellphones returned, etc. come Monday.

    Of course that is too logical and not nearly as dramatic as a government employee giving up 2 hours or so of their very own time....

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    Jim you know better... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 11:07:24 AM EST
    I can't imagine how many forms would have to be filled out, how many approvals, impact studies, etc to change form signing day from Monday morning to Friday night.

    Bueracracy man...common sense is checked at the door.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:35:54 PM EST
    common sense is checked at the door.

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    I actually agree with you (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 10:49:04 AM EST
    Folks around here and on the radio are talking about how dumb this is.

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    There are specified procedures (none / 0) (#44)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:32:39 PM EST
    for shutting down (or formally "spending gap" times.) While it seems stupid & overdone, most agencies have security aspects and other ongoing mechanisms that are not just turned "off-on." Kinda like shutting down a major plant.
    Also: Congress can still "work" over the week-end and resolve this...in which case, both sides conceivably could argue to their respective base that their resolve was strong and so...voila...things can start powering up again later Monday.  Who knows?

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    I'm amused that for some (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 09:51:19 AM EST
    Republicans the most important issue is whether or not soldiers will get their pay on time.  It isn't that big of deal.  Nobody has a social safety net like active duty military and their families.....NOBODY DOES!  Who else has 100% medical coverage?  Who else has a Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act to protect them during times of stress?

    Even if the soldiers get paid on time, the Republicans are still screwed with the Active Duty Military because much of what the military must do these days is done by DOD civilian employees.  Many of them are going home during the shut down and then you have soldiers....like my husband....doing the work of four people.  Are the Republicans going to send us four times the pay?  The Republicans got themselves a whole bunch of really pissed soldiers right now and it isn't about pay, it is about not having the people on the job that they need to run this show properly.  I hope they do shut this show down over something like their faux "abortion" issues.  Soldiers themselves will survive it, but they will never forget who did this to them and why.

    Tracy (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 10:28:09 AM EST
    Thousands upon thousands of service family members do not live near a base. They, like my wife did when I was deployed overseas, moved away from the base, rented a home, and lived like any civilian wife with an absent husband.

    That means the base support you mentioned yesterday does not exist for them.

    And waving a piece of paper at your local grocery store, WalMart or service station will not get you groceries, toothpaste or gasoline.

    And if the military cannot function because civilian workers aren't there then we desperately need to fire the civilians and hire more military.

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    The jobs that my husband (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 11:09:35 AM EST
    will be "replacing" must have a settled civilian working in a majority of the areas.  You claim that you have been active duty.  Therefore you know that anyone active duty must move every three to four years or deploy.  Settled Department of Defense civilians protect the integrity of the taught curriculum, they must all be certified to teach their courses and they must be recertified yearly meaning that someone representing TRADOC sits in on their course and puts them through a pretty severe review.  The United States military as it exists today and with the ability that it has to function is not an accident, and you will not have a military able to function at this level with this much competence without having DOD civilian employees in fixed positions.  Active Duty Soldiers must move every 3 to 4 years, that is a part of their daily training that makes them instantly deployable and that is an understood in the daily military training model.  People challenged by the stress of relocating eventually become very proficient at that, while that same stress can be very incapacitating for others outside the military.  If Fort Rucker attempted to teach with only active duty instructors, as soon as a soldier got certified to teach a class they would only have about a year to teach it and then someone else would come in and have to be taught the curriculum and then they would have to pass certification.  On that schedule you would have to have twice to three times as many bodies that you are paying too covering the teaching the slots as you have right now.  You would have to have someone leaving and wrapping things up, while someone had finally reached the pinnacle to be able to teach a course, and you have to have someone at that same time training for certification.

    This is often the problem Jim with rightwing rhetoric and talking points being used as decision makers.  Often the people insisting on certain solutions have ZERO idea of what the system in reality consists of and why, that they are claiming they are going to fix.  Personally I'm sort of shocked by your idea that would fix all this too.  You claim to have military fixed wing aviation experience.  So you would know how much education is involved and then based on how much everything has evolved in the technology department you should be able to easily figure out that the people working in those areas today NEED three to four times the schooling that you had and there are regular tech updates too to everything that requires some often extensive education.  There is at least two DOD civilian employees working within the military structure now for every soldier, and I'm probably wrong about that and it is probably closer to three to one now at the very least.  And by the way, what you are proposing to do is completely CRAZY!

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    "Explanations exist; (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:08:08 PM EST

    they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong."

    H. L. Mencken

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    You can defend using civilians all you want (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 12:50:22 PM EST
    but that doesn't change the fact that if using them causes a problem they should be replaced by military. And yes, I understand that would take time.

    But if I am to believe you, we now have a military that can barely function without civilian support people. That's frightening if you think what could happen if we get in a real sure 'nuff shooting war that expands into the support areas.

    Would it fix the problem now? No. But it would fix it in the future. Remember insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing but expecting a different result.


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    We have an overstretched military (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 01:19:31 PM EST
    as it is, perhaps getting out of a few places in the world would help reduce the need for civilian support as well.

    Of course, I exclude Iraq and Afghanistan, but any troops in Luxembourg are definitely on the table ;-)

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    Not using them is what causes problems (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 03:19:30 PM EST
    Even in the instance of insane Republicans, it is the "Not Using" the civilians that is the problem.

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    The Dems have now agreed to $38 Billion (none / 0) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 10:19:45 AM EST
    in domestic cuts. digby's opinion on where this is all going.

    Last December, the Democrats gave us DADT repeal in exchange for the Bush tax cut and now they're angling to give us Planned Parenthood in exchange for massive, immediate cuts in discretionary spending. At some point you have to wonder if everyone isn't getting exactly what they want out of this deal --- except, of course, those who are already clinging to the lowest rungs of society and working people. link

    If this is the case, I can hear it now. "Yes, the massive cuts to programs poor people need to survive are regrettable but Obama and the Dems were forced into making them to save Planned Parenthood."

    Attention DC area residents... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 10:48:48 AM EST
    some brilliant civil disobedience being planned if the shutdown goes down.

    If Boehner won't let the garbage be picked up, dump it at his crib.  I love it!

    Tentative deal being reviewed by WH (none / 0) (#54)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 08, 2011 at 08:36:24 PM EST
    per Marc Ambinder:

    Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a "bridge" continuing resolution tonight to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form [...]

    The proposal under review could form the basis of an agreement on a six-month continuing resolution that averts a government shutdown of longer than a few days. The prospective measure would cut spending by about $39 billion from current levels, two aides said. It would not include a ban on federal funding for Planned Parenthood, but part of the arrangement would likely be an unspecified and symbolic procedural step intended to give Boehner and conservatives political cover on the issue, the aides said. Democratic appear to have accepted an increased level of cuts in exchange for the GOP dropping the rider.

    Who wants to calculate the cost of "saving" Planned Parenthood and the EPA?

    David Dayen and Ryan Grim:

    You have to go back to the initial numbers to see the magnitude of this policy loss. In December, when a continuing resolution for the rest of the year was getting negotiated, the level of funding for FY 2011 was markedly higher than it will be under this deal. Ryan Grim runs the numbers.

    The difference comes from the starting point. Democrats are working off of the president's requested budget for the fiscal year, which was $1.128 trillion. That's the same baseline that House Republicans used when they cut $102 billion with their first bill, H.R. 1, bringing the spending down to $1.026 trillion.

    But there is a number that realistically could have become law, and that's the one that was proposed by Sens. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). Known as the Sessions-McCaskill level, it blew up in December over a fight over earmarks, but it had the broad support of both parties in general.

    That figure was $1.108 trillion -- $58 billion above what Democrats are now willing to accept.

    That was written before this latest deal, so it's actually $59 billion. And the benefit for exchanging the Making Work Pay tax cut with the payroll tax cut, one of the only changes in the tax cut deal that didn't simply extend current law? $60 billion. So if you accept that Democrats could have gotten Sessions-McCaskill into the tax cut deal, four months later almost the ENTIRE stimulus from the payroll tax cut is gone. Completely. As Ryan notes, "The focus on Planned Parenthood may be distracting from a dramatic GOP victory on spending."

    The $513 defense budget is precisely the level that Senate appropriators targeted back in December. So the defense budget is basically getting out of this untouched. Republicans tried to up that defense budget above the Pentagon's request, so that was beaten back.

    This means that all $29 billion in cuts - remember $10 billion have already been enacted - will come from the non-defense budget. The latest on that is that about half will come from the discretionary budget, and half from mandatory spending. This spreads the pain, but there's a great deal of uncertainty about what those cuts will mean in the specifics.

    Hard to know what to say to this...