Tuesday Night Open Thread

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Update: The storm has moved into Denver. The thunder is loud and flash flood warnings now include us. The cable tv just went out. (Added: It's back on now.) Internet probably won't be far behind. I better go find the flashlight in case power is next.

Tonight brings tornado warnings and more flash flood warnings. The Emergency Broadcast Service has been coming on every few minutes. So far, they are in surrounding counties to Denver, so no immediate danger.

A federal judge in Virginia has overturned a death sentence in a drug case saying the defendant was wrongfully convicted due to the lying testimony of accomplice who got a deal for life. The judge blasted the prosecution who claimed not to know the testimony was false: [More...]

"They had prior knowledge of falsities in Barber's testimony, yet never pursued or investigated the information," Jackson wrote. "In light of the Commonwealth's conduct, the Commonwealth cannot be entitled to benefit from their deliberate ignorance and/or reckless disregard for the falsities in Barber's testimony."

The prosecution also withheld evidence from the defense, which the judge said was ""not only unconstitutional in regards to due process, but abhorrent to the judicial process."

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Wisconsin recalls of GOP legislators (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Towanda on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:30:06 PM EST

went into the primaries today, required by the Republican ploy of putting up "fake Dem" candidates -- longtime Republicans, really longtime and really oldsters in their 80s in many cases -- and results are coming in tonight.

So far, of the six races, two have come in for the real Dem candidates, despite what looks like serious voter suppression efforts in many ways. Those efforts will ramp up now for the next month, when today's primary winners take on six Republican state senators in the recall elections.

Winning half of those seats -- three -- could turn the Wisconsin state senate back to the Dems and finally would weaken Governor Walker's stranglehold on the state, the state Supreme Court and both houses of the state legislature.

And about strangleholds: Investigations continue on the Republican justice who jumped a female colleague and put her in a chokehold.

Are there going to be lawsuits? (none / 0) (#35)
by shoephone on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:56:12 PM EST

It sounds like there will be more than enough evidence of shenanigans to support that action.

The day of the Novmber 2008 election, I worked in a computer bank all day, for a group called "Voter Action/Watch the Vote," that tracked the thousands of calls that came in from all across the country, complaining of voter suppression tactics by the GOP. My luck: I was assigned Broward and Miami/Dade counties. We evaluated the severity and timeliness of the complaints, and chose which ones to forward on to a team of election lawyers in NYC. Because of our efforts, lawsuits were filed and won in Pennsylvania.

I think, at this point, every state should have those kinds of operations up and running at every election. We know only too well what suppresion tactics by the GOP have done to corrupt elections in this country.


Well, all six real Dems won (5.00 / 2) (#41)
by Towanda on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:08:34 PM EST

after the fake Dems forced the primaries today -- and more to come -- that already cost the state and municipalities almost half a million dollars, but that was perfectly legal. So are most of the voter suppression tactics, now law in Wisconsin under Walker. And he has corrupted the state election ethics board, too, as was made clear in the recent Supreme Court election and recount travesty. So any complaints about the illegal tactics today would go nowhere. That's what has happened to the state known not that long ago for good government, clean elections, etc.

And the focus now is on the real Dems' campaigns for the next month, all of them battling against the huge funding that is coming in for the Republicans from across the country. This will be quite the test run, again, of what they plan across the country, too. Enjoy your rights while you got 'em, because the Koch brothers are out to get them everywhere.


My hope (5.00 / 2) (#45)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:13:13 PM EST

is they spend big and lose close. That way they continue dumping their outside money into the local economy.


Not any kind of expert on legal challenges (none / 0) (#47)
by shoephone on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:21:36 PM EST

but I'm wondering: is it legit or advisable to bypass the state supreme court and file directly with the federal court? (If it's necessary to go the legal challenge route...)


They would need a Federal question (none / 0) (#50)
by andgarden on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:27:24 PM EST

And I'm not seeing one.


: Not since the Supreme Court, half a century ago, (none / 0) (#59)
by Peter G on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 12:02:41 AM EST

ruled the "Republican Form of Government" (or "Guaranty") clause, Art. IV, § 4, judicially unenforceable ("nonjusticiable").

I imagine that the Koch brothers (none / 0) (#57)
by Towanda on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:52:11 PM EST

have anticipated that and more, and there is no way out for Wisconsin or from Wisconsin.

A friend also sent records today, posted on a blog after just being released about the recount of the spring high court election. These are minutes from the state election ethics board, and another travesty, it seems, according to observers who had registered objections that are not in the record, made videos that also are not in the record, and more major gaps. But there apparently is nowhere to go with these concerns in the new and circular setup that would send such complaints to a Walker minion.


The British Hacking Scandal (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by christinep on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:05:32 PM EST

One reference to it has been "British Watergate." I don't know how many here have been following it...engrossing in scope & ramifications in that Rupert Murdoch's "empire" in Britain (for now) is under sever attack forcing the 168 yr old "News of the World" to close on Sunday. The gist: The paper, with management's apparent knowledge, hacked into phones & accounts of thousands of British citizens to gain "story" info/leads...including those of British soldiers killed in battle, the Royal Family, the medical records of an infant diagnosed with cystic fibrosis (oh...the infant happened to be the son of the former and then Prime Minister Gordon Browne) and, as acknowledged yesterday, the London police (read: Scotland Yard) allegedly covering up activities. (Shades of Prime Suspect & Helen Mirren.) Also: A top former aide for now PM Cameron is directly implicated & under investigation in his capacity as World News editor.

At first, it seems like a plethora of "what is going on" until it falls into a broader, troublesome pattern of info use & misuse by Murdoch's news media. The question raised on Bill Press this am: Are these practices used by Murdoch's people in the US? The key holdings here would be The NY Post, The Wall Street Journal, and--ta da--Fox News.

: I keep hearing... (none / 0) (#65)
by kdog on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 08:08:30 AM EST

when all the dirt gets out we will learn all the British rags were doing it, not just the Murdoch outfits.
But it is crazy troubling...and I too am curious if any of the media stateside have been up to the same shenanigans, particularly the Murdoch outfits.

No forced meds for Loughner, sez 9th Circuit (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by Peter G on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:09:56 PM EST

ruling Tuesday. Story here. Actual court opinion here (pdf). Another (interim) victory for his great defense attorney, Judy Clarke, the "one-woman dream team" (although here she has co-counsel, Ruben Camper Cahn, the chief federal public defender for Southern California.

Query, assuming a pre-trial federal (none / 0) (#23)
by oculus on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:24:23 PM EST

detainee is not found to be a danger to self or others and also assuming sd. detainee has been found incompetent to stand trial, may the federal authorities ever medicate sd. detainee over his objection solely for the purpose of trying to determine if the detainee may, in the future, be competent to stand trial?


: That's the question the court will decide (none / 0) (#32)
by Peter G on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:37:33 PM EST

after full briefing, apparently in late August. The order issued today is a stay in Loughner's favor, until they do.

Thanks (none / 0) (#49)
by andgarden on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:26:08 PM EST

Skimming the opinion, I can't figure out why tranquilizers are ok but psychotropics are not. A great emphasis was placed on the possibility of irreparable harm stemming from psychotropics. But can the same not be said of tranquilizers?

Is the court allowing the latter merely because it thinks that they are more clearly being used in the interest of the safety of others?

My Benadryl is taking effect, so I'm already a big groggy, but this opinion seems to undermine its own reasoning.


: speaking as someone (none / 0) (#58)
by observed on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 12:02:32 AM EST

Who has had several close acquaintances with severe mental illness, my impression is that psychotropics are in a class by themselves. Taking a major tranquilizer is akin to being hit in the head with a baseball bat. The side effects, both long and short term, are nothing to sneeze at. IANAD tho.

: I'm not an expert (none / 0) (#60)
by ZtoA on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 12:10:11 AM EST

but I do have "real life" experience. I had an uncle who was a serial murderer and he was given the state of the art treatment in his day - shock therapy - and that seemed to trigger his most brutal murders. 'Correct' meds are just fashion, and tranquilizers are pretty neutral as far as action in the brain and nervous system goes. I wish he had been tranquilized. Paranoid schizophrenics are very hyper in my experience.
Paranoid schizophrenia is a terrible disorder and I doubt that meds can "restore" someone to be able to stand trial as a sane person. My uncle was found by the courts to be "criminally insane" and was locked up in some asylum for the rest of his life.

: That is odd... (none / 0) (#64)
by kdog on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 07:54:20 AM EST

invading a human beings skin with drugs is invading a human beings skin with drugs...I think it is immoral and a violation of inalienable rights to administer aspirin without the patients/prisoners consent, never mind tranqs or 'tropics.
Same goes for force feeding.

Yeah buddy! (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:35:48 PM EST

Now this is a storm. What a light show--reminds of the lightening we used to get back in the Midwest. Still have all systems up here--just the constant interruption of the watches and warnings.

As they say in Iowa, its (the lightening) good for the (Olethe) corn...

: Of course (none / 0) (#36)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:57:43 PM EST

as soon as I post that, a big bolt knocked the power out for a second. Now the rest of the evening will be spent resetting clocks.

Josh taught his 3.5 year old neice (5.00 / 2) (#68)
by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 02:10:49 PM EST

to flip people off. Last night my daughter told Zoey to eat her pizza or she was going to eat it. She said that Zoey flipped her off then started giggling. She was pretty shocked. She asked her where she learned how to do that and Zoey said Uncle Josh.

When the phone rang last night Josh denied it. His father believed him. I did not :) He is afterall half me. So this morning I asked again, he got a little upset about being accused he said. I looked at the floor and said, "Look, your the Uncle, I know you are probably going to teach her all the bad words too". And then he started giggling, yup....he taught it to her. Oh well, in this mixed bag we always have been big 1st Amendment Supporters and all that that entails.

Whew! (5.00 / 1) (#69)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 02:22:35 PM EST

I'm having to teach Harry that all those words from all those games he plays in Colombia aren't polite conversation words here...

And also that I am not his maid. He's too accustomed to having a maid clean after him...


You've really got your work cut out (none / 0) (#70)
by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 02:28:00 PM EST

for you dad :)


Especially with my command (none / 0) (#71)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 03:02:30 PM EST

of US Army language... boy oh boy.

I almost slipped last night calling something a goat f-f-f-f-f-farm... that would have been, interesting.

"Get this goat farm of a mess cleaned up before bed, buddy boy," came out. but I intended something different ;-)


: Don't sweat it Pops... (none / 0) (#72)
by kdog on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 03:17:46 PM EST

for awhile I thought "what the f*ck" was a prefix to my name, like Master kdog or Mister kdog, growing up. It preceded my name out my father's mouth so often:)
And I turned out half-allright...learning a time and a place comes later, with life experience.

Oculus (none / 0) (#1)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:19:48 PM EST

your boy Heath Bell just had a great spot at the All Star game chatting it up with some kids on his way to the bullpen.

Hey CG, made it back today. (none / 0) (#2)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:23:12 PM EST

Stopped at Cocoa Beach for a couple, because Little Saber 6 wanted to learn to surf. So we boogie boarded it for 2 days.

A word of advice to everyone here... there's no such thing as 'waterproof' sun block, as my red pate demonstrates. Lucky for me, my boy lives at about 7,800 feet in the tropics, so beach sun had little effect... maybe he bronzed a wee bit, but nothing more.


Ya gotta bring him to the (none / 0) (#4)
by nycstray on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:28:36 PM EST

west coast for surf and boogie boardin'.

Haven't you been keeping up on the latest re:sun block? Basically, you should have used a whole tube on yourself in a day (every 2 hrs, iirc) and none are really waterproof.

Glad you had fun!


I was only out there (none / 0) (#12)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:54:57 PM EST

for about 2 hrs... it washed off, not even water resistant. Not terrible, red-tan I ought to say.


: Maybe a hat? (none / 0) (#26)
by oculus on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:25:19 PM EST

Did you stop off (none / 0) (#5)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:28:41 PM EST

at the Ron Jon Surf Shop and get him a t shirt?


No, but we're going back for a week (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:10:37 PM EST

before we go to Colombia. Greatest little inn.

Also, if you're not interested in the Inn, there's a hotel downtown called "Fawlty Towers."

I may have to stay there at least once...


So, how was the ICE thing resolved (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by Peter G on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:15:59 PM EST

for the Littlest American? Last I heard our dear US Govt reps in Colombia were claiming he couldn't enter his own country for some reason that they couldn't/wouldn't explain. Did I miss an update on how this was resolved, Jeff?


I really don't know. (none / 0) (#20)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:19:32 PM EST

I have yet to have a telephone call returned or a letter or email returned.

I did spend a lot of time on the phone with congresscritters, and on the phone with old comrades in arms in high places. Maybe somebody said or did something. I have some ideas, but speculation and privacy. email me and I'll share my suppositions, if not the names of all the actors.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why an 8 year old was forbidden entry, and I have not forgotten.


: Perhaps (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:24:28 PM EST

it was all just a good script by Shakespeare. All's Well That Ends Well.

: Better than being right on the law, (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Peter G on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:25:05 PM EST

very often, when dealing with an agency of the federal government, is reaching a staffer at your congressional representative's office ... absolutely true.

Does the Inn (none / 0) (#34)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:55:30 PM EST

have a pool? I usually stay at the LaQuinta (the one that was formally owned by the seven original astronauts) on N. Atlantic.

Reasonable price, clean, close to the beach and not too far of a walk into town--since I take the shuttle over from Orlando and don't have a car.

But I'm willing to consider something new and different...


No, but 20 yards from the surf, (none / 0) (#38)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:01:33 PM EST

and a nice setup, full refrigerator and stove, assorted pots and pans and dishes, and pet friendly.

Also a nice gas grill, boogie boards to borrow, and children's toys and chairs to borrow.

But it's all ocean, though. It's south Cocoa Beach, close to the Air Force Base.

I have a love of slightly seedy.

The AC blows cold and the hot water is HOT.


Oh, it's on A1A. (none / 0) (#39)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:02:03 PM EST

and I forgot to mention, (none / 0) (#40)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:06:01 PM EST

after we left, the manager went to clean the room, and found my man-purse with passports and a lot of money, and called me to come back. Less than 30 minutes after we checked out. I think there are only 18-20 rooms, total, so it's quaint and quiet.


: Thinking about walking... (none / 0) (#43)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:12:14 PM EST

sidewalks there, I think a mile or so to town, maybe three miles to atlantic ave. I may be wrong on these distances, but the La Quinta might be better with no vehicle, closer to the Winn Dixie. The Publix is way overpriced.

is it (none / 0) (#42)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:10:11 PM EST

within walking distance of the pier?


: Hmmm... (none / 0) (#44)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:12:55 PM EST

Can't answer... I can call and ask, though.

Boogie boards? (none / 0) (#52)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:33:19 PM EST

I guess I'm old school--I like body surfing.

I should probably bite the bullet and go stay with the relatives down in Vero Beach next time I'm out that way.


: It's just those old (none / 0) (#54)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:38:25 PM EST

styrofoam half boards covered with nylon or something so it can say "Ron Jon Surf Shop" and hold up to some travel ;-)

Good for Heath. I'm listening to ESPN (none / 0) (#18)
by oculus on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:17:07 PM EST

radio in my post-cable TV-less state. I guess Adrian Gonzalez decided, despite his statements last year, to attend this year's All Star game despite it's location in AZ.


I posted this in the morning open thread (none / 0) (#3)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:26:20 PM EST

about an hour ago, want to repost it hear.

A new acronym...WABGRM.

I'm going to try and be civil and funny. Heck, life's hard enough without getting into a 'who's got the bigger comment' contest.

So... what's new today? been driving since we left the beach.

WABGRM . . . (5.00 / 2) (#8)
by nycstray on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:30:37 PM EST

It helps Obama's reelection, scr*w the rest of you?


: Heh, I wasn't thinking quite (none / 0) (#21)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:21:56 PM EST

that harshly, more on his own backing up or spinning of what he says.
I'm glad he's here. Nice to have something to look forward to every day-- a good fight.

How the Senate by itself can raise the Debt limit (none / 0) (#6)
by Dan the Man on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:29:40 PM EST

McConnell has proposed letting the President raise the debt, but since the House Republicans are opposed, this couldn't pass right? Wrong, there's a very simple way around the House of Representatives. Under the constitution, the President can make treaties with the support of the 2/3 of the Senate. So all Obama has to do is propose McConnell's debt raising legislation as a treaty. Then if 2/3 of the Senate approves it, it becomes the law of the land because treaties have the power of a law. If one has to think of a country to make this treaty with, I'm sure a small country like Papua New Guinea or Botswana would be happy to comply.

Add it to the (none / 0) (#22)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:23:20 PM EST

Colombian Free Trade Act?


: Agreement, sorry. (none / 0) (#30)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:30:36 PM EST

this is one agreement that I think helps the US. The US has no tariffs on Colombia, Colombia has up to 18 percent tariffs on
US goods. Any market, especially one only 1800 miles away.

heh . . . (none / 0) (#10)
by nycstray on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:43:17 PM EST

He pointed out that the area Mr. Stone wants to peel off collects more money from the state than it generates.

: Don't you know (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 09:51:17 PM EST

don't bring facts to a soap box preaching self righteous smack down.

Calling all Yankee fans: do you support (none / 0) (#27)
by oculus on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:28:26 PM EST

Derek Jeter's decision to not appear at the All Star game due to fatigue stemming from getting 3000th hit?

Not a Yankee fan AT ALL, (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:29:11 PM EST

but he's a bum.


Ha. I agree. If he's too tired to play he (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by oculus on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:30:00 PM EST

should go ahead and retire.


I wouldn't go that far (none / 0) (#33)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:40:07 PM EST

but I do believe it may be the only PR blunder he's had in his 17 year career.


Well, (none / 0) (#37)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 10:57:53 PM EST

I'll admit something. I've never cared for him as a middle infielder. Gold Gloves or not, his range has never been exceptional.

I think his 5 gold gloves came because he has no major league range, and a lot of balls that others would have attempted he just watched. Meh. Get dirty sometime, Derek.

My idea of a shortstop hits 350 lifetime, not 317, and steals 50 bases yearly after age 35. And what's with this low double digit home run production? He's a shortstop, we need 35 dingers.

And so he passed Lou Gehrig for most Yankee hits. What's the big deal there? Gehrig played day games against segregated pitching.

Jeter's had to face night games and relief specialists. He's SOOOOOOOOOO special.

yes, the above is snark.

I'm upset with him because he didn't give the fans at the game the chance to applaud him. Seriously. The fans earned the right to see him at least walk out of the dugout. People who don't follow baseball seriously would have seen him, and thought about the game.

But be that as it may, he's a career Yankee, so he's a bum.


My Yankee and Jeter-lovin' friend says (none / 0) (#46)
by oculus on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:13:43 PM EST

it's ok because he didn't go party after the 3000th hit. He was soooo tired he went home to bed. And it is really really hot on the East coast. Of course, the All Star game took place in Phoenix!


I hate (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by CoralGables on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:33:18 PM EST

all things Yankee since they traded Roger Maris, but Jeter and Bernie Baseball and Mel Stottlemyre have challenged me to give up my dislike over the years. That's a no go though and two of my most memorable moments in baseball are watching Luis Gonzalez's broken bat single in 2001, Josh Beckett tagging out Jorge Posada in 2003, and the four in a row the Sox beat them in 2004. These are like a lifetime of relived joy just typing them.

But my daughter likes Jeter and she holds sway for a lifetime so I too would have liked to see him at the game.


: Speaking of Yankees, the old (none / 0) (#56)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:42:13 PM EST

tale about Don Larsen... my mom just pulled the saying on me. She waled to the kitchen and told me, "You're not afraid of anything but sleep, are you?"
She can get away with it, lol.

It's a dry heat. (none / 0) (#48)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:24:14 PM EST

Decisions Decisions (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by CoralGables on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 01:35:06 AM EST

Play in the baseball all star game in Arizona, or spend the all star break with Minka Kelly on South Beach. Okay, gotta admit this is a tough call.


I'm getting eaten alive by skeeters... (none / 0) (#53)
by Dadler on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:37:04 PM EST

...here in Tahoe. They have always loved feasting on my apparently tasty blood, but they are going nuts here, flying in the house every time a door opens. I gave up and went with OFF, the smell of which is making it hard for me to eat without getting nauseous. Tumors take me now.

If you eat raw onions, (none / 0) (#55)
by jeffinalabama on Tue Jul 12, 2011 at 11:39:57 PM EST

the mosquitos will not bite your lips, according to Garrison Kiellor.

DEET poisoning could be one of the better ways to go, buddy, who knows?


Dadler, two insomnia movies tonight. (none / 0) (#61)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 12:34:05 AM EST

John Carpenter:

Just finished "Escape from New York,"

Now starting "Prince of Darkness." Something compelling about that religious order, "The Brotherhood of Sleep."

I owe you an email.


: left my computer on back home (none / 0) (#67)
by Dadler on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 10:55:03 AM EST

so i can't get email until saturday. you have time to draft a really nice one. ;-)

Two sides of the coin: (none / 0) (#63)
by the capstan on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 07:44:55 AM EST

Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3. (CBS news)

Obama campaign's eye-popping haul: $86 million raised for re-election. (LAT)

Terrorist attack in India (none / 0) (#66)
by gaf on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 09:14:18 AM EST

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/reports-of-multiple-blasts-in-mumbai-119016

"golfith??" (none / 0) (#73)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 13, 2011 at 04:47:00 PM EST

"thorry I aint theen no golfith"