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    One more time: Insider Trading in Congress (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:15:11 PM EST
    God bless ya... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 07:55:49 AM EST
    for trying Dadler...but I assumed as much from jumpstreet...insider trading is the norm.

    People who care already knew, people who don't care don't wanna know.

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    Could be (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:43:16 AM EST
    But I can't put my head in the sand, or shrug, or pay no attention.

    We all suspect certain things, Dog, but did you really know this was legal?  I don't think you could find a loophole that allows pols to legally thieve for purely personal purposes as this.  At least with campaign funds, they get investigated now and again.  This makes me wonder why any of them are stupid enough to use campaign funds for personal purposes.  Make a few rigged bets and be done with it.  Not like it's getting reported on.

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    I don't think it really matters... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:47:01 AM EST
    if it is legal or not, living under different rules different fools whats the difference?  Without equality under the law it makes no difference, and we definitely have nothing resembling equality under the law.

    Legally thieve you say? I thought that was in the job description of a congressperson.

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    Stephen Colbert neatly sums up (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by ruffian on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:54:24 PM EST
    the GOP negotiating strategy: "You scratch my back, I get my back scratched."

    And Obama has long nails, don't he? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:55:47 PM EST
    And truthfully... (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 08:07:53 PM EST
    ...that's really what ANY good negotiator is going to try to do.  If all you do is piss and moan about it, then give them more, what do you expect.

    Which reminds me of a recent encounter I had with the head of the management company that we rent our house from.  My wife had called the company to report a few problems when we first moved in, stuff that, hey, if I owned the house I'd want to know about it, a few serious things about the garage door and water seeping up through cracks in the foundation.  The guy who runs the place just happened to pick up the phone, and proceed to lay into my wife: You do nothing but complain, have you EVER rented?  Why don't you just break the lease and move!"  And he just goes on and on.  My wife calls and says the guy was just a jerk, she's kind of upset, and to get my low-maintenance wife to feel wounded, well, you have to be a champion as*hole.

    In a pissy mood that day, I drive down the street to the management office, walk in the door and announce loudly: "Hey, someone just chewed out my wife and I'm not happy about it."  Bossman comes flying at me, a sixty year old grinch in a polo shirt and chinos, ranting at me like a crotchety phuck from the go, yelling really: "I didn't chew out anyone, I'm sorry she took it that way, but you have no idea how to be tenants in a house.  Do you just want to move?  Is that what you want?  Then just say so.  I can't fix a damn foundation overnight, or a garage door!"

    I laugh at him and reply: "First off, you are the worst godd*mn customer service person I've ever dealt with.  Second, I'm sure you're clients would LOVE to know you're trying to get rid of the tenants they are desperate to have in there.  Third, my wife didn't take ANYthing the wrong way, you are just an as*hole."

    Every employee in the place was enjoying the show.  And then, to top it off, I made him get on the phone in front of everyone and apologize to my wife.

    "Now, you'll never hear from us again, because we'll be the best tenants you ever had."

    On the way out the door, he starts to try and get nice to me, asks what I do for a living,  "NOW you want to be nice?"  I laughed again and walked out.

    Never had a problem with him since, and he gets right on anything.

    THAT is how you deal with pricks.

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    Dadler, I like (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:45:58 AM EST
    your style.    ;-)

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    I love it (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:54:36 PM EST
    You will probably be married to her until death do you part :)  It isn't that I'm big on chivalry, but it is a team effort especially in times like these.  I don't know why but if someone is giving my husband grief I scare the heck out of them and if someone is giving me grief he scares the heck out of them :)  Must be that love thing that brings out the Look here you big dumb jerk.

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    Did you see Dan Savage (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 08:32:23 PM EST
    talk sexist crappy on Colbert?  I was fine when he was talking about how each marriage gets to define whether it is monogamist or not.  I was all cool with that, but then he crossed over into that crap about how men can't be monogamist and women need to adjust their expectations.  What a load of crap!  As if women are never tempted, cheat, are serial cheaters.  What a pants load that somehow it is more difficult for men to not cheat.  But Dan Savage has never been 30 with screaming ovaries blazing on fire.  I noticed that one of my friends from high school's dad had a great ass and then I wanted my eyes to burn out of my head for seeing that.

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    I love this line of reasoning (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:01:59 PM EST
    Every man having an affair must be gay, to keep his thesis running.

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    Dan Savage (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by lilburro on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:07:07 PM EST
    annoys me at some level.  While I agree with what he says generally it's all just too pat.  America has enough sexual issues already...GGG (good, giving, game) is not going to solve those.  It's just so facile.

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    Dan Savage (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:27:12 AM EST
    is a liberationist

    he is not a feminist

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    Yes, quite obviously :) (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:22:06 AM EST
    I can support equal rights for gays.  I can also support what is real....that being gay is not a choice, why can't he support reality that for every straight guy straight cheating there is someone with a vagina involved in cheating too?  Is it happening against our will?  Because that is called and is something else and it isn't cheating, that's rape.

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    That's basically (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:49:15 AM EST
    what Mr. Z's mother always used to say.  "If men cheat way more than women do, with whom are they cheating?  A couple of very, very busy single women?"

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    In the case of... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:29:30 PM EST
    married person cheating with a single person, ya can't say the single person is cheating.  Ya can say it is uncool if they know their lover is married/committed, but it ain't cheating on their end...they didn't take vows or make a promise to anybody.

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    Did not see the whole thing - got sidetracked (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:00:02 AM EST
    Sounds like a dangerous generalization, at best!

    Yeah, I count 2 cheating wives among my closest friends. That I know of.  I guess Savage is entitled to his opinion, and we are entitled to think he is full of it.

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    He is selling the fellas short... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 08:02:55 AM EST
    I'd agree that hetero males are hardwired to spread the seed far and wide, and hetero females are hardwired to be selective with their eggs...but what seperates us from the animals is our ability to reason and control our hardwired urges.  Men can most certainly practice monogamy, we just might have more animalistic hardwiring to overcome is all.

    Savage Love is a trip of an advice column though...the freaks come out at night and the freaks write Dan for advice:)

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    I don't know that men (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 08:53:53 AM EST
    are hardwired to cheat more than women.  In one study there was a noticeable number of children fathered by different men that father's/husbands didn't even know about.  In women it was attributed to their reproductive imperative to also have offspring with someone other than their mate to increase their odds of having children successfully survive.

    I think this whole topic is a little bit like how it is easier to say that a man is an alcoholic or a child abuser than it is a woman because their strength and anger are more noticeable.  I know that men have to deal with testosterone, but women still have problems that estrogen does not protect us from. It just seems like there are some things true for women that men don't really to be want true.  Maybe because their mothers were women and nobody wants to think their mother could be at risk for any of these things.  When Josh was flipping channels yesterday he decided to watch one of those abused animal stories serials.  They took a puppy away from this women due to her abusing it, it couldn't walk properly, then they xrayed it attempting to repair its injuries and it was horrifying.  Both of the front shoulder joints had been destroyed.  They hsd to cut them out and replace them.  I think the dog had a total of 13 fractures.  A woman did this.

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    "Cheating"... (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 09:22:44 AM EST
    is a concept of the human mind, as is monogamy, in my opinion of course. Our inner animals have no such concepts, they only know the urge to get busy making babies and survival of the species.

    Dan Savage is always on about this book "Sex at Dawn The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality". I think that is where he gets a lot of his concepts from, and I keep meaning to get around to reading it.  One theory he talks about from the book is caveman & cavewoman getting down with a lot of group sex for better chances at procreation.  Interesting sh*t.

    The male denial of some female aspects you're on about?  I thinks thats just how we've been conditioned...girls are sugar and spice and everything nice, boys are frogs and snails and puppy dog tails and all that jazz.  We don't handle the masculine aspects of femininity and the feminine aspects of masculinity very well, as it does not jive with our conditioning and our desire to make all man-pegs and all woman-pegs fit into their assigned holes.

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    Haven't read that book (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by ZtoA on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:12:38 PM EST
    But some years past I took a private tour of Pompeii with an architect. One building was a sacred temple where women would go who were having trouble conceiving or some problem in their marriage. They could pray to the gods and spend the night at the temple, and be with the male temple attendants. Often times their prayers were answered and they became pregnant. :)


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    Ahem (none / 0) (#108)
    by dk on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:13:32 PM EST
    not all of us guys are interested in the women-pegs.  

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    No way... (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:28:10 PM EST
    who could have guessed? :) j/k

    Hence the "hetero" prefix in my original reply to Tracy, dk.

    Exactly my point though, part of the reason homosexuals have been given such a hard time by society, and can be so hard on themselves in those confusing puberty years, is the conditioning I was talking about...we love to peg people and freak out when others don't fit the pegs, or we as individuals freak out on ourselves when we don't fit the pegs, until (hopefully) the light bulb goes off and we realize pegs are bullsh*t, and we is who we is.

     

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    Fair enough, but (none / 0) (#154)
    by dk on Sat Jul 16, 2011 at 03:32:18 PM EST
    I think a lot of people (not you) have used the "hardwired" argument to say just that (namely, that all men are "hardwired" for women, and vice versa).

    My point is, especially as a gay person, perhaps, I have to say I'm somewhat skeptical of any kind of "hardwired" argument.

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    If you suscribe... (none / 0) (#155)
    by kdog on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 07:02:13 AM EST
    to the theory that you're born gay or straight, and I do, wouldn't both be hardwired traits?

    There is just more than 2 or 4 or 6 wiring patterns...nature knows many variations. Our natural sexuality can possibly be altered, confused, or resisted outright by human conditioning and free will(the nurture in nature vs. nurture), which adds complexity to our sexuality, but I think our basic sexuality is hardwired, with the hetero wiring simply more common for survival of the species purposes.  That doesn't mean other wiring patterns are mistakes, nature don't make those...just different and less common.  

    I mean I wasn't "taught" to be attracted to females, you weren't "taught" to be attracted to males...we just are.  I call this hardwiring.

     

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    But how do transgendered persons fit (none / 0) (#156)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 09:45:25 AM EST
    into your theory?  For example, I reading Jan Morris' wonderful travel writing.  Jan Morris was born male, married for many years, fathered five children with his wife, who was the first to realize her husband should really be a female.  Had sex change operation in Morocco (!!!), husband and wife had to divorce but continued to live together, recently remarried as a same sex couple.  Interesting saga.  

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    Hence.... (none / 0) (#157)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 08:54:43 AM EST
    the 2-4-6-? wiring patterns?  or perhaps the human conditioning and free will causing confusion?

    Maybe nature intends to have men trapped in women's bodies and vice versa?  

    Or my theory could be total sh*t:)

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    "Perhaps nature intends to have men (none / 0) (#158)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 09:11:43 AM EST
    trapped in women's bodies."  Good one.  Not God's fault.  

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    Did Everyone miss (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:15:44 PM EST
    the Flying Spagetti Monster worship being upheld as a real religion?
    Pastafarians.

    Hey, I'll be calm for a few daus. (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:19:31 PM EST
    My doc set me an appointment with the oncologist for tuesday.  Yep, give me xanax and beer.

    May as well share with y'all, you've supported me, chastised me, and made me a part of this life.

    OK, first time since 1977, the adrenaline doesn't overcome the fear.

    Jeez Jeff (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by andgarden on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:22:00 PM EST
    You've had quite a summer so far. :-(

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    Heh. I'd love to say it's nothing, (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:30:39 PM EST
    but I don't know yet. The past 16-18 months have been a hell of a ride.

    Ironically, my best friend and person I'd be willing to marry to allow custody for my son is a lesbian with four other children. Living in Alabama.

    But she'd do it right, either her or CSM in huntsville... if it's in any way bad.

    I just don't like getting the message on thursday oncologist tuesday, the earliest we could get you in.

    Either don't talk scary, or tell me what the MD suspects. Hanging means... little sleep, John Pinette and Bernie Mac, and some good barbecue, brunswick stew, and garlic bread. And some of those cream filled chocolate cupcakes from Little Debbie.  What more can they do?

    Gotta talk to the CSM and other friend, let them discuss arrangements, because neither want son to go back. If it's treatable/manageable, has to go back this time. Good faith.

    Or maybe not... sure there are illness clauses...

    Shut up alabama boy, you talk too much.

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    Jeez, Jeff (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by shoephone on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:09:50 PM EST
    You've really been through the ringer. I really hope all turns out for the best next week.

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    Sending positive thoughts your way. (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:31:45 AM EST
    Oh no (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by sj on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 09:08:12 AM EST
    Take care.  I know how scary those interim days are.  In my case it was good news, but the fear that was in the background of every moment was terrible.

    Here is hoping that your news is as good as mine was.

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    Couple of suggestions for Tuesday (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 09:41:18 AM EST
    If possible, have a friend go with you and accompany you when having conversation with doc. If you can access some type of recording device bring it with you and record your conversation with the oncologist. It is hard to remember what the doc says in this type of situation. Not remembering the details can cause you additional and some times unnecessary stress. If you need future treatment, bring a recording devise with you each time.

    Once again, good luck and all positive thoughts coming your way.

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    Blue offers excellent suggestions, (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:41:58 PM EST
    please permit me to add:  do not be reluctant to ask questions, ask to have answers repeated or to ask for explanations or definitions if you do not understand.  Many people who under other circumstances would not need such reminders, become too passive as patients--understandably so, with often unfamiliar jargon and the fact that that jargon is individualized.   Many patients later,  when asked about a physician's discussion, say I don't know, he/she did not say.  But, the important part is to ask, just like voting in Chicago, do so early and often.

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    Yes, to all of these (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by sj on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:03:40 PM EST
    Also, if you know ANYONE who has been through this experience, reach out!  Even if you haven't spoken in years.  You'll get feedback on what to watch out for and suggestions on questions to ask.  And likely, immediate moral support much more concrete than all the sincere best wishes we are now sending you.  

    In addition to a recording device, take a notepad and pen.  I jotted one or two word notes to remind me of a question to ask later that came up during discussions when I didn't want to derail what my doctor was saying.

    And breathe.  Don't forget to breathe.

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    Sending you (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    all the hugs and positive energy I can, jeff.

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    Good luck on Tuesday (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:40:09 PM EST
    Oncologist, huh. Have spent a lot time in an oncologist office since mid 2008. While scary, there are a lot of new treatments etc. that help more people get through this and come out on the other side.  So once again, good luck and please keep us updated.

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    Jesus H. Christ... (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 08:03:53 AM EST
    think positive, stay positive, and good luck on Tuesday my man.

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    Wishing you all the best (4.75 / 4) (#36)
    by lilburro on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:53:49 PM EST
    from the bottom of my heart, man.

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    Tot;ally unexpected. (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:10:41 PM EST
     Feeling tired, gaining weight, no cough, no blood.

    But urinary tract.

    Agent Orange.

    Maybe
    I just need a roto rooter. Beats the alternative, especially since I'm a t high risk for mesothelioma.

    Yep, these might be reasons I despise the health insurance plan for everyone bit sick people. While we're at id, raise medicare. I did my part... I'd like to live to enjoy on a few years what I might get.

    If I have to have major surgery, I'll get an ex-parte order of protection through January. I can't be too spiteful until a week from Wednesday with the results. But I didnt screw up June, when I felt fine, had reservations, etc.

    If I'm on the way out, he should stay here. First for me, second, SSI bennies. Then go to Colombia.

    If I'm gonna live, his attending US school for 5 months should make no difference.

    If it's all a scare, I'll take that, too. Life's so short I'm tired of forgetting about the little things.

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    Oh Jeff (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:35:15 AM EST
    I had no idea you were at risk for agent orange.  The risk haunted my Uncle, so you have probably had it lurking in the back of your mind too waiting for something.  It's no way to live, but it is how many have had to live.  I've felt hemmed in lately.  I need to go for allergy tests on Tuesday, hoping this doctor could be willing to give me allergy shots for my extreme alternaria allergy.  I will need to be on steroids in the beginning to avoid shock.  I can't take any antihistamines until I've seen him so I'm grouped around this amazing air purifier on our AC system that we installed last year.  Not feeling sorry for myself now though.

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    Oh, Jeff - I'm so sorry you have to (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:33:14 AM EST
    be dealing with this at all, much less while your son is with you - although I imagine having to be in the moment with him helps keep things feeling normal, even if the nights are full of the demon of worry.

    We will all be thinking good thoughts, hoping that one of the good guys gets a break - and you are definitely one of the good guys.

    Your mentioning Agent Orange made me think about my husband, who gets all his medical care absolutely free from the VA because he was in Vietnam and exposed to Agent Orange during some specified years, and he has developed Type 2 diabetes.  As I understand it, this was the result of some kind of class action litigation and doesn't just cover the Vietnam vets, but those who were exposed at other times in other theatres.  It wasn't automatic - he had to go through an assessment and fill out reams of paperwork, but in the end, he not only qualified, but is considered partially disabled and gets a small check every month.  It's been a godsend, not just because the care costs nothing, but because they are very big on preventive care and monitoring of his health. And the VA here is very good, which I know is not necessarily the case everywhere.

    You might want to at least look into it.

    In the meantime, know that you have the love and support of an entire community that is sending out positive energy from all over the country - that has to be doing some good, right?

    Keep us posted, please.

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    Be well, my inimitable friend (none / 0) (#44)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:47:18 PM EST
    We may have never met in person, but this blog-courting certainly has gotten us into each other's heads, since I, like you, have no trouble unloading my lifesh*t when I need to unload it.  My only serious health stuff is nerve/paralysis related, in addition to all the psychosomatic symptoms my subcortex like to try and distract me with when it's raging with stuff it considers more dangerous than physical pain.  But the oncologist I am an amateur with.  Either way, you gotta laugh, as Norman Cousins found out in his landmark book ANATOMY OF AN ILLNESS

    So I'll try to make you laugh right now.

    Greg Giraldo roasts Larry the Cable Guy (not for kids, except big ones like us) LINK

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    One more from Giraldo (none / 0) (#45)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:01:06 AM EST
    sh*t I forgot he's gone (none / 0) (#46)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:04:23 AM EST
    um, i suck.

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    Will the VA cover your (none / 0) (#48)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:15:22 AM EST
    medical expenses? Are vets covered no matter what the cause of the illness?

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    They better... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 09:39:03 AM EST
    they send my WWII vet great-uncle more free drugs than he could ever swallow, more free doctor visits then he needs, they even clip his toenails for goodness sake.  I'm always bustin' his chops for being a VA benefit glutton, taking more than he needs...what can I say the man loves a free lunch even if he ain't hungry.

    But the rumor is what are left of the WWII vets get treated a helluva lot better at the VA than the vets of more recent, less popular, wars.

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    Depends on verifiability (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    IF I'M SICK... I'm taking the positive attitude suggested that this is not serious. And I'm taking a recording device. I would never have thought about that. Thanks!

    MT, re the chemical exposures, I'm actually in a database of possibles from non vietnam service because of some mistakes made a long time ago at an ammunition depot at Ft. McClellan. Getting caught up in a work detail as an e-2... how could I have been so silly!

    But my immediate reactions and thought last night were, "First they'll gut me like a fish, then I'll waste away in pain."

    Cheerful attitude, right? A new day and forcing a new attitude. Taking Saber 8 (Harry told me today that if I'm saber 6, and CSM is Saber 7, then he ought to be Saber 8. GOD, I love that child!) to see Saber 7 and the Saturn v and saturn 1b up in huntsville this evening, visit the museum tomorrow, and go to church and get prayed over on Sunday... folks are just like that, the feel like it's their responsibility.

    I'm back with some more Army acronyms... BOHICA's the one that comes to mind first-- "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again!"

    WHomever posted that it's probably nothing, thanks! I can't check the posts at the moment... I just immediately thought worst case, not evven a thought to something like, "Gee, we noticed this, and if it gets worse we'll have to do something."

    Thanks, TL family. Remember, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

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    Good turnaround. Remember these thoughts. (none / 0) (#142)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 05:10:07 PM EST
    Indigent vets are, with some restrictions. (none / 0) (#138)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:22:44 PM EST
    I'm not indigent yet, though. Working on it, but not there yet.

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    You read along on these threads (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by christinep on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:08:26 PM EST
    and nod or grump or chuckle or speed-up/slow-down, and then I see your news, Jeff. Well, it sure jolts...bolt upright, short breath...and, mostly: Jeff...geez. I join my thoughts with the others sending good wishes toward you.

    I don't want (5.00 / 6) (#42)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:13:45 PM EST
     to be a drama queen. a lot of stuff has happened from April till now. I talk about it, probably 100 -200 readers don't. Also, I've had some pile-ons...they suck.

    But we're real people here. Real problems, real deaths, lives, children, jobs. We have so much more in common than differently.

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    Geez, Jeff, as if you haven't (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:12:05 AM EST
    had enough to deal with. I hope it turns out to be either nothing (1st choice) or something easily treatable.

    If you need us the Pirate Crew stands ready and willing to help in any way. Just say the word.

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    Aye Aye to that... (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 09:39:30 AM EST
    for sure.

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    Lastest reports on cuts (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:31:51 AM EST
    being offered to raise the debt ceiling.

    One Republican, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that in the White House talks so far, negotiators had agreed on about $1.5 trillion in deficit cuts, far less than the $2.4 trillion or so needed to meet Obama's demand that the debt limit go up enough to tide the Treasury over through the 2012 elections.

    A summary that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., prepared for the talks earlier in the week showed the bulk of cuts coming from day-to-day operating budgets of federal programs.

    Also included were as much as $245 billion from Medicare, including higher premiums for wealthier beneficiaries, and additional savings from skilled nursing homes and home health care. The summary indicated that federal workers would pay more for their pensions, agriculture subsidies would be cut and food stamp spending would be restrained. link



    Yeah, cut food stamps! (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:59:17 AM EST
    That's the ticket!!  Let's hit ALL poor people, not just the elderly poor.  Shared sacrifice, you know what I mean?

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    Someone, can't remember who, had (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:08:35 AM EST
    a great line about shared sacrifice. It went something like this:

    We get sacrificed and the uber-wealthy gets our share.

    Of course the uber-wealthy includes the vast majority of the members of Congress and the president who will definitely get our share without any personal sacrifice.

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    Wonder how that means-testing (none / 0) (#98)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:35:34 PM EST
    for Medicare and Social Security will ride with the Republicans.  Andrew Biggs of the American Enterprise Institute (July 13, 2011) claims that means testing is unwise policy and unlikely to survive political scrutiny. The conclusion, essentially, rests unsurprisingly on "onerous, new/implicit tax rates for retirees."

    Biggs illustrates the pitfalls with the Lieberman/Coburn (a particularly dangerous idea in that these senators are among Obama's favorites}: premiums for Part B are $140/month for single with incomes of up to $85,000, and over $150,000, are $400/month, which Biggs calculates as as 23% implicit tax on incomes up to $107,000 and 8% on incomes above that.  Moreover, the Lieberman/Coburn out of pockets caps are on a sliding scale, ranging from $7,500/yr per single retiree ($85,000) on the one end, and $22,500/yr above $160,000.  

    A more classical Republican idea is that of the Heritage Foundation which would reduce benefits to ss and mc with non-ss income exceeding $55,000 and eliminate benefits for retirees with incomes over $110,000. Biggs does not agree with this approach either, pointing out ways of keeping incomes below that threshold as well as the unfairness.

     In all these means tested programs there is the idea that in terms of reduction of benefits, one is rich at about $l00,000 -$160,000, but when consideration is given to Bush tax cut expiration, one is poor, and exempt from increase, at $200,000 (single). And, of course, they all bust open the door of the social safety net for future unpopularity, more political chicanery and decimation by the time younger members of the work force (for whom retirement safety nets will become increasingly critical) reach retirement age or can no longer work.

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    Funny how that works (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:35:50 PM EST
    People making over $200,000 a year are too poor to pay a penny more in taxes. Seniors with incomes less than $85,000 or $107,000 are rich enough to absorb a 23% increase in premiums and/or $7,500 - $22,500/yr additional out of pocket expenses over an above their premium.

    Can we fire everyone but Bernie Sanders from the president on down?

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    Just heard Bernie Sanders (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:59:54 PM EST
    on Thom Hartmann's show. A very close paraphrasing:

    "I'll be dam*ed if, at a time when so many people are struggling in this economy, we cut social security!"

    GO BERNIE!

    Jeffinalabama (5.00 / 3) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:09:28 PM EST
    I am so sorry to hear about your recent possible challenge. I hope that everything goes well for you next week.

    My week started out really sucky and it got suckier until my husband got a surprise bonus. So you never know. Weeks can start out really bad and then end up better than you ever expected!

    Let me butt in here please (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:30:18 PM EST
    Jeff, having been where you are I'll pass along the only advise that made sense and made me feel a little better. "Shooter, you're a man, a grown man. Whatever your upcoming talk reveals you'll handle it. If the answer is less than pleasant, you'll deal with it. Millions have come before, and millions will come after. As anxious as the times are right now, the clock keeps ticking, and the calender keeps moving, and soon you'll be talking about this in the past tense."

    a friend

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    I like it. (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:44:21 PM EST
    Let me put it this way, in a hundred years I'll be dead from something, and nothing in the world can change that.

    This is yet another challenge in a challenging year. If not me, then there are so many out there. Millions go to the oncologist here in the US every year. Nothing special about it, so, as George Lopez might say, "Why you crying?" bad stuff and good stuff happens daily.

    Excellent advice.

    And what I'm doing today, watching comedians on Youtube. here's a clip from
    Gabriel Iglesias
    for anyone interested...

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    In Paul Krugman's column of today, (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:43:59 PM EST
    he answers the question raised by  some commentators (has the GOP gone insane) with, why yes, it has.  To illustrate their craziness, Krugman points out what the Republicans are rejecting: '..Obama has made it clear that he's willing to sign on to a deficit-reduction deal that consists overwhelmingly of spending cuts, and includes draconian cuts in key social programs, up to and including a rise in the age of Medicare eligibility.  As....Nate Silver points out, the president has offered deals that are far to the right of what the average American voter prefers--in fact, if anything, they're a bit to the right of what the average Republican voter prefers."  

    Now this shows that the Republicans are crazy, per Krugman, not to mention those who enable them. The NYT must have held the presses for the scoop that the GOP is crazy, but the more germane question of sanity to be taken away from Krugman relates to he of the draconian proposals.   Indeed, Krugman and commenters should be asking this  question of the president: What's wrong with you?

    Yes, Republicans can ask (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:10:47 PM EST
    themselves, too, what sort of cuts would a President McCain be negotiating right now.  Really, what's wrong with the cuts that Obama is offering? as I can't imagine that McCain would be offering much more than Medicare cuts ("means testing"), Social Security on the table, etc., etc.

    Of course, that Obama has been talking this ways also means that Democrats can ask, "What's wrong with us?"

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    Harry Potter vs Sarah Palin (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:36:19 PM EST
    The Undefeated, the documentary on Sarah Palin opened in 10 theaters nationwide today with little news on ticket sales other than the midnight showing in Orange County, California where they sold three tickets. Harry Potter took in $43.5 million for the midnight showing nationwide.

    Edge: Potter

    Perhaps Sarah should have signed on to play Bellatrix Lestrange. It would have gathered more interest.

    Rodger Clemens (none / 0) (#2)
    by Makarov on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:18:53 PM EST
    perjury trial was declared a mistrial on its second day, after the prosecutor introduced hearsay evidence the judge previously ruled inadmissible.

    Specifically, during questioning a witness, the prosecutor played a tape of the Congressional hearing where Clemens testified. During the hearing, a member of Congress read from a letter written by the wife of one of Clemens' teammates recounting things her husband told her Clemens said.

    Right now, it's questionable if the case will be retried.

    Is this the kind of thing that causes an Assistant US Attorney to lose their job? If not, what does it take?

    Let him walk. (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:06:51 PM EST
    Perjury before congress... those folks perjure themselves so much, or say so much nothing, that they are shocked when a witness sais it's noon and the clock is on 12.

    I haven't trusted congressional committees since Ollie North.

    But I'm so disgusted with the entire elected government right now, and the appointed politicos, my judgement may be... biased.

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    You mean you don't think the (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:47:39 PM EST
    future of the free world is hinging on this?

    I am shocked. Yes shocked at your cavalier attitude.

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    You're on a roll, Jimbo (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:35:36 PM EST
    Two 5-star ratings from me in the last few months.  Hang on a minute, I'm going to Google the weather in Hades.  

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    I agree it's pretty astonishing (none / 0) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:19:31 AM EST
    Are they claiming they didn't realize it was on the tape or what?  Ie, are they using incompetence as a defense?  Or did they really think they could get away with directly contravening the judge's orders, or what?

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    Levi Aron's confession (none / 0) (#3)
    by lilburro on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:20:54 PM EST
    NYT.  Bizarre.  I feel terrible for the Kletzky family.

    Especially his mother (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:21:42 AM EST
    Who agreed to letting him walk home alone and showed him the route he promptly forgot.  I've been thinking about her all day.

    At least the family found out quickly what happened to him, unlike Etan Patz, who disappeared in almost identical circumstances 20 years ago or so, and they never did find the faintest clue to what happened to him.  Just horrible.


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    Flashback: Dec. 14, 1962 (none / 0) (#4)
    by BTAL on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:22:00 PM EST
    In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.

    I repeat: our practical choice is not between a tax-cut deficit and a budgetary surplus. It is between two kinds of deficits: a chronic deficit of inertia, as the unwanted result of inadequate revenues and a restricted economy, or a temporary deficit of transition, resulting from a tax cut designed to boost the economy, increase tax revenues, and achieve, I believe -- and I believe this can be done -- a budget surplus. The first type of deficit is a sign of waste and weakness; the second reflects an investment in the future.

    Nevertheless, as Chairman Mills of the House Ways and Means Committee pointed out this week, the size of the deficit is to be regarded with concern, and tax reduction must be accompanied, in his words, by "increased control of the rises in expenditures." This is precisely the course we intend to follow in 1963.

    Guess we "evil" Rethuglicans are off the reservation.

    MONEY IS FAKE (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:50:47 PM EST
    It is a proxy for how we treat each other.  If we created a trillion dollars and did nothing with it but help those at the bottom, genuinely and progressively, if we used it for a new energy program that employed people en masse, if we committed ourselves to do good things...good things would happen.

    But we treat money as a living thing, a buffalo we must pray returns to the prairie, and because of that...we die.

    What came first the chicken or the egg?  That's a tough question for most people.

    Which came first, human beings or money?  This is not.  And it is at the ROOT of our problem.  We act as if we love money far more than we love people.

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    And without a War on Financial Corruption (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:55:16 PM EST
    With trillions being confiscated and returned to the American people, and thousands of people being prosecuted and punished and publicly held up as wretches who disgrace America and the human race...we're both pissing into the wind and wondering "Hmm, why are my eyes burning so much?"

    In short, BTAL, I fear we are both fools.

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    We don't agree and have somewhat crossed (none / 0) (#10)
    by BTAL on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:58:57 PM EST
    blog swords.  However, do you truly believe that if we took all the "money" in the world and gave each individual an equal share that we would not be in the exact same situation in X days/months/years?

    As to "money", what would you suggest that the world use to exchange?  What's my technology worth to you for your "name your product here"?  Do you propose that someone whose only offering is their labor can effectively negotiate a with someone who is providing a hard good or food in exchange?  What is the "exchange" rate?

     

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    I will leave this one to (none / 0) (#5)
    by observed on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:35:40 PM EST
    The remedial instructors.


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    Compare (none / 0) (#20)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:08:21 PM EST
    Tax rates/law from that year to tax rates/law this year. Nobody cares what was said... that's just bloviating.

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    In relation to rates, where is the line? (none / 0) (#25)
    by BTAL on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:33:44 PM EST
    At that time JFK reduced the top rate from 90% to 70% (yes, marginal).  However, how do does anyone get motivated when they see that 39.5 to 70/90% of their efforts will be out of their control?

    When does pulling the wagon become less attractive to riding on the wagon?

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    All anyone has talked about (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:40:20 AM EST
    is going back to the Clinton rates.  

    That means a top marginal rate of 39.5%   And, that is the second coming of Communism or Socialism or Great Britin or Sweden or some such.

    No one has talked about 70% or 90% tax rates.

    That is some straw man.

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    Do you mean why keep amassing (none / 0) (#28)
    by the capstan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:13:30 PM EST
    more and more money when you can't keep but a percentage of it?  Because having money--and more money--is an addiction.  Why keep drinking beer till you throw up?  But some people do.

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    Oh, poo. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:36:54 PM EST
    talk your crazed equivalency elsewhere, please. I'd like to tax rich forlks at 150 percent of capital gains. Why? that's where it would hurt them.

    MArginal rates in 1962 had so many loopholes they were not real rates.

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    The people who actually (none / 0) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:47:47 AM EST
    pull the wagon and work for wages don't make anywhere near enough to be subject to the top rates.

    Frankly, it would be perfectly OK with me if the financial fat cats scaled back their speculating and financial, um, "innovation" because they didn't think it was worth it because of high marginal rates.

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    You might be surprised to learn (none / 0) (#93)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:10:49 PM EST
    that Warren Buffett agrees with you:
    But I think that people at the high end -- people like myself -- should be paying a lot more in taxes. We have it better than we've ever had it.

    He has also said:
    Imagine there are two identical twins in the womb, both equally bright and energetic. And the genie says to them, "One of you is going to be born in the United States, and one of you is going to be born in Bangladesh. And if you wind up in Bangladesh, you will pay no taxes. What percentage of your income would you bid to be the one that is born in the United States?"
     He calls that winning the "ovarian lottery."

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    Minnesotan "Grand Bargain" (none / 0) (#13)
    by Addison on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 08:50:03 PM EST
    Any Minnesotans here that can parse this deal?

    ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton and top Republicans agreed Thursday to end a budget impasse that prompted the longest state government shutdown in recent history, after the Democratic governor surrendered on raising taxes.
    Dayton said the state government would be back in business "very soon," but he didn't say exactly when.

    The deal to erase a $5 billion deficit came after a big sacrifice from Dayton, who made new income taxes a central campaign message last year and the centerpiece of his budget. He dropped that and said he would accept -- with conditions -- an offer the GOP put forward on the eve of the shutdown to bring about $1.4 billion into the budget by delaying payments to schools and selling tobacco payment bonds.

    Republicans agreed to his conditions, which included relinquishing a list of policy changes such as banning state aid for stem cell research and a plan to cut the state workforce by 15 percent.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43761856/ns/politics-more_politics/

    If I were a Minnesota Democratic voter (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by shoephone on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:20:10 PM EST
    I would let Dayton know that he is now toast.

    What a disaster.

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    Bottom line: Beer matters (none / 0) (#14)
    by Towanda on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 08:53:26 PM EST
    in the Midwest.

    And Minnesotans want their Miller/Coors.

    (Blecch.)

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    I switched to high life (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:09:16 PM EST
    from Augie Busches natty... I don't know if I can go back...

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    I'll check the links, (none / 0) (#37)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:56:41 PM EST
    but in Auburn, PBR has become the 'Creative Class Beer.'

    Since I wouldn't associate with those assholes except with a free bar, I'm a Miller man. Any bottle cap gives, o .000001 cent to the USO.

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    when i lived in chicago in the 70s (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by The Addams Family on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:32:26 AM EST
    PBR was the workingman's beer

    years later came the rebranding

    but the idea of PBR as an elite libation would have been a joke worthy of SNL when SNL was still funny

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    You're in Auburn? (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Romberry on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:53:29 AM EST
    Closer than I would have thought. I'm in Heflin which is about 90 miles away via Hwy 431 and Hwy 9. One of my lifelong best friends is living in AU now. We get together from time to time. Next time I'm down that way I'd be willing to buy you a cold one of your choice. If you're up for it, email me. Try romberry at gmail dot com.

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    heck, I used to drive by there (none / 0) (#74)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:24:39 AM EST
    on my way to and from Albertville. Who knew?

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    Intractable Republicans win again (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:04:55 PM EST
    I think the only way to beat that impasse is to became as merciless with Democrats as the Republican primary electorate is with Republicans.

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    Shoot:, I was hoping Jeralyn would have... (none / 0) (#15)
    by magster on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 08:58:33 PM EST
    ... had a post on the Clemens' mistrial.  Does she do requests?

    If not, here ESPN's legal dude's... (none / 0) (#16)
    by magster on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:00:00 PM EST
    ... take on the mistrial and whether it equals double jeopardy.

    Parent
    see also discussion under Tour de France thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:45:18 PM EST
    starting at comment #80.

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    get me out of my misery: (none / 0) (#24)
    by the capstan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 09:25:34 PM EST
    I've been inundated for hours with emails about dog shows (!).  Now I read this on my gmail: "I've reached my limit. This may bring my Presidency down, but I will not yield on this."
    - President Obama to Eric Cantor and Congressional Republicans
    in a closed-door meeting at the White House.

    Truth or consequences?  And yield on what?

    Try Google news (none / 0) (#55)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:52:46 AM EST
    although it's a day old already and you may have to dig a little to find the info.

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    Well, I did find the source (none / 0) (#82)
    by the capstan on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:57:42 AM EST
    (I guess) at HuffPost Politics:
    I have reached the point where I say enough," Obama concluded, according to Reuters. "Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this."

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    I'm looking around (none / 0) (#86)
    by sj on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:35:54 AM EST
    but I still don't see the "what" that he's not willing to yield on...

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    Cantor's insistence (none / 0) (#92)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:09:12 PM EST
    on a short-term deal rather than some kind of "grand bargain."

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    sj & gyrfalcon (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:27:32 PM EST
    I think this says it pretty clearly:

    From "Reality Based Community" quoting Ezra Klein (I know, I know, but a stopped clock and all that)

    Ezra Klein explains that the White House doesn't want a clean debt-ceiling bill: (emphasis mine)

    A lot of Democrats took one look at the McConnell plan, which would raise the debt ceiling without substantive fiscal concessions, and saw their way out of this mess. But not the White House. What's come clear in recent weeks is that the Obama administration is much more intent on reaching a major deficit deal, and much less intent on making revenues a major part of it, than most observers assumed.

    That's led them to offer Republicans a deal that is not only much farther to the right than anyone had predicted, but also much farther to the right than most realize. In addition to the rise in the Medicare eligibility age and the cuts to Social Security and the minimal amount of revenues, it'd cut discretionary spending by $1.2 trillion, which is an absolutely massive attack on that category of spending.

    This deal isn't just a last-ditch effort to save the economy from the damage of a federal default. The White House would far prefer this deal to the McConnell plan, or to the $2 trillion deal that was under consideration during the Biden negotiations.

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    ugh (none / 0) (#114)
    by sj on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:56:22 PM EST
    I knew it, but that doesn't stop me from hating it.
    What's come clear in recent weeks is that the Obama administration is much more intent on reaching a major deficit deal, and much less intent on making revenues a major part of it, than most observers assumed.

    Those "observers" weren't observing very well.

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    Just like in the Primaries (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:15:05 PM EST
    As the wise men said, "there's a big difference between 'hearing' and listening"

    No matter how transparent he was in the Primaries (to those with functioning brains) and no matter what he says & does now, we mortals couldn't possibly conceive of what his real, altruistic, even holy, goals really are. Just think of how guilty you'll feel when you open the front door of your house two years from now, and the evil you see with your own eyes today turns out to be a pony with red ribbon then.

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#137)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:01:31 PM EST
    Cantor was pushing for something somewhere in between (with no tax increases, all cuts, etc.), and he didn't want to consider that, either.  Hence the putdown.

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    More really bad ideas on raising (none / 0) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 07:53:35 AM EST
    the debt limit.

    A plan to cut spending, put caps on future expenditures and pass a constitutional amendment to balance the budget is certain to come up, lawmakers said. Also on the unofficial agenda of lawmakers are several bills to force the president to prioritize payments if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling.

    In fact, the Cut, Cap and Balance Act is one that's gaining steam on Capitol Hill. McConnell, who has become the subject of ire from the right in recent days, expressed support for the plan Thursday. His support could increase the likelihood that his legislation is coupled with the cut, cap and balance idea -- or something like it -- to attract enough support to avert an early-August catastrophe. GOP lawmakers hoped their leadership would put pressure on the president to bring along Democrats to pass their balanced-budget amendment. In its current form, most Democrats say they won't vote for the legislation because it sets a supermajority threshold to raise taxes. link



    Listening to the Obama presser (none / 0) (#75)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:26:27 AM EST
    not sure what the angle is here on this.

    Obama says (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:39:46 AM EST
    if you are a progressive, you should care about the debt and deficit as much as a conservative.  So that we can work on education, infrastructure, etc. after putting the fiscal house in order.

    Yep, the loss of the Bush tax cuts as a bargaining chip was major.  

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    Ordinary citizens are on board with a (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:03:08 AM EST
    balanced approach. By that statement, Obama inferred that ordinary citizens were behind the details that make up this so called balanced approach. Ordinary citizens are overwhelmingly against changes to SS, Medicare and Medicaid but you would get the opposite opinion from Obama's rhetoric.

    People need to contact their Reps and Senate members and dissuade them from the idea that ordinary citizens support cuts to these programs. No COLA changes. No means testing. No raising retirement or Medicare availability age. No changing Medicaid to a block-grant program.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#87)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:36:31 AM EST
    unfortunately, Obama has signaled that cuts are how he defines winning this battle, politically and policy-wise:

    "The fall back position, the third option, and what I consider the least attractive option, is one in which we raise the debt ceiling without making any significant progress on reducing the deficit," he said.

    TPM

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    Different audiences hear different things (none / 0) (#119)
    by christinep on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:09:40 PM EST
    across the nation. Afterall, the President is using the presser as a prelude. The phrases & sentences are meant to send strong messages to the nation...what he really wants (or what anyone really wants/believes) cannot be discerned from the classic & not-so-classic updates at press conferences. He is not sitting down in a room with you or me confiding his plan; rather, he is engaging in a multipurpose televised situation while negotiations are continuing in the manner of political negotiations...see esp what may be some sort of coalescence with details being arranged by Reid & McConnell even as he speaks. And, that is as it should be so that scuttling one option doesn't leave the WH up the proverbial creek without a paddle...they retain control under several competing sets of circumstances of what necessarily will come down to ensuring that the pieces fitting together also ensure the numbers needed in Congress. Tricky.

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    Well I think (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:22:32 PM EST
    the press conference as a whole indicated that he is willing to sign something (w/o revenue) that has a trillion in cuts.  I agree the WH does have a lot of options, but after today's conference I feel less confident that the one that I prefer, a clean debt ceiling bill, will happen.

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    Sorta clean, then (none / 0) (#151)
    by christinep on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:56:20 PM EST
    I think that the WH/Reid would strongly prefer to move the 3 re-visits or check-ins in the stated McConnell proposal to 1. I think that part of getting there is to give (or--more accurately--appear to give) the $1Trillion or thereabouts, which--importantly--is already identified. It is about votes/numbers and that pragmatism: Appear to give a bit, get what you want in terms of any constraints on your authority (a great gain, BTW, even if potentially vulnerable), and get the votes in the House (mostly Dem but, obviously, need Repubs too). That is sorta or kinda "clean."

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    President Obama likes the Cat Food (none / 0) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:16:47 PM EST
    Commission's recommendations except for that part about the Pentagon cuts.

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    Obama's full comments (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:32:31 PM EST
    from Susie:

    And, so, that's where I have a selling job, Chuck, is trying to sell some of our party that if you are a progressive, you should be concerned about debt and deficit just as much as if you're a conservative.

    And the reason is because if the only thing we're talking about over the next year, two years, five years is debt and deficits, then it's very hard to start talking about how do we make investments in community colleges so that our kids are trained. How do we actually rebuild $2 trillion worth of crumbling infrastructure.

    You know, if you care about making investments in our kids and making investments in our infrastructure and making investments in basic research then you should want our fiscal house in order so that every time we propose a new initiative, somebody doesn't just throw up their hands and say more big spending, more government. You know, it would be very helpful for us to be able to say to the American people, our fiscal house is in order.

    So, now the question is, what should we be doing to win the future and make ourselves more competitive and create more jobs and what aspects of what government's doing are a waste, and we should eliminate. And that's the kind of debate that I'd like to have.

    The reason it is hard to sell us on this idea is that there is absolutely no guarantee we'll get worthwhile investment.  And there is no way in hell that the GOP is going to stop whining about government spending.

    Bill Clinton balanced the budget.  Dubya destroyed it.  And we still have to argue about which party is more fiscally responsible?

    And it's not like blogs haven't made that point over and over in the past 10 years.  So the reception to this kind of talk should be chilly.

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    So how do we do all this ... (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:49:46 PM EST
    we greatly reduce the safety net programs, shift the costs to the seniors and the poor and give more tax cuts to corporations and the rich.

    Ask yourself, have you heard the president discuss the ambitious job creation programs the he is plans to create? Or have you heard him says he was going to lower corporate taxes by closing loopholes? The taxes will almost certainly be lowered but the elimination of loopholes will go much the same way as negotiating for prescription drug prices or letting the Bush/Obama tax cuts expire.

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    Obama sounds all over the place to me. (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by observed on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:31:25 AM EST
    A lot of his comments are so vague they make me want to start carrying gold sewn into secret pockets in my coat.
    He's not giving me confidence fairies.


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    To elaborate, Obama seems to be placing (none / 0) (#89)
    by observed on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:39:53 AM EST
    bipartison comity at the same priority as saving the debt ceiling. That just makes no sense.


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    He is the most profoundly... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:19:31 PM EST
    ...mentally/emotionally addled guy in the White House since Nixon.  

    That he has managed to lie to the American people enough to get them to believe him with these poll numbers, well, the joke's on us.

    He and the Republicans are both involved in doing the polar opposite of what is necessary.  He is saying that by killing government's ability to spend anything, we will be able to fix everything by investing in it.  With what?  The dough you decided we didn't need.

    He is literally crazy.  As disabled in the mind as any nutcase R.  

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    And he was supposed to bring sanity back (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:45:28 PM EST
    to the WH...how's that for irony?

    David Dayen provides a rough transcript of some of Obama's comments near the end of the presser:

    And, so, that's where I have a selling job, Chuck, is trying to sell some of our party that if you are a progressive, you should be concerned about debt and deficit just as much as if you're a conservative. And the reason is because if the only thing we're talking about over the next year, two years, five years is debt and deficits, then it's very hard to start talking about how do we make investments in community colleges so that our kids are trained. How do we actually rebuild $2 trillion worth of crumbling infrastructure. You know, if you care about making investments in our kids and making investments in our infrastructure and making investments in basic research then you should want our fiscal house in order so that every time we propose a new initiative, somebody doesn't just throw up their hands and say more big spending, more government. You know, it would be very helpful for us to be able to say to the American people, our fiscal house is in order. So, now the question is, what should we be doing to win the future and make ourselves more competitive and create more jobs and what aspects of what government's doing are a waste, and we should eliminate. And that's the kind of debate that I'd like to have.

    What slays me is that we DON'T need to be talking endlessly about the debt and the deficit for the next however-many years - what we need are jobs, people working and putting their earnings back into the local communities, reversing the downward spiral that Obama's fixation on the debt and deficits is going to perpetuate.  And Obama's essentially saying, but first...we have to do this, so that then we can do the other?  We have to get our cholesterol down and our blood pressure under control before we can treat our cancer?

    I just don't understand how someone in such a powerful position can know as little about basic economics as Obama appears to - has no one explained it?  Does he just prefer to go with what he believes, or what he's being told, because it fits with what he wants to do?

    I don't know who - Geithner? - is selling Obama on this madness, but I maintain that whoever it is is working Obama's  psychological needs like a master.

    Tell me how we survive this, please?  

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    I wish I knew right now (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    And I'm almost hoping I'M the one whose nuts, because my eleven year-old son's future prospects sort of matter to me a little, and right now I am scared for him, genuinely.  I feel like I pressure him too much sometimes to work hard, be smart, play that music, but I don't know what else to do but love him.  His only advantage now might be we live in a heavily Chinese neighborhood and my wife and I are talking about learning Chinese with him.  Seems the language to know for the coming decades.

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    And his bi-partisan, post-partisan... (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:01:45 PM EST
    ....schtick AGAIN, please, help me.  As if we should all have the same concerns even if those concerns are utterly inane to elevate to most important status right now.

    That crap ain't dead YET?

    Never going to be.

    I just with I was as savvy an investor in the stock market as he was with that Novartis 73% return in a few months.  Ahem.  Insider trader.  Cough cough,

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    An a nice piece by a TIME writer (none / 0) (#106)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:04:29 PM EST
    Just remember, if id don't work, (none / 0) (#107)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    keep doing the same thing over and over again.

    ISn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing continually but expecting different results?


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    Yes!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:21:01 PM EST
    And we all know it.  And I'm in the basement in Tahoe because my brother-in-law has CNBC going on the TV upstairs and I can't keep from making snide comments.  Time to hit the paddle boats on the lake with sonny boy again.

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    I worry for your son, too, and (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:24:09 PM EST
    for all the children. The future looks grimmer every day.

    I have to say I started thinking that maybe it's a good thing I have already lived most of my life. Things are going to get so much worse before they have any chance of getting better.

     I'm only alive now because of SSDI and Medicare. And even then I am barely scraping by. Cut SS (and chained CPI is a cut), increase the amount I have to kick in for health care, and my life ends, literally. It is a struggle for me to pay the monthly premiums, the deductible and the co-pays now.

    This year, because of so many unexpected medical expenses (appendectomy, eye infection, broken ankle, spasming back, infected tooth) I have put off anything that is not an immediate emergency. Yes, that means that down the road my health will be worse, but I have no options. Increase my out-of-pocket costs and I will be forced to stop getting any health care. Like so many people are already having to do, I will be in a situation where I pay my monthly premium and never use my insurance because I cannot afford to.

    When I hear, or read, people cheering on Obama because of his clever negotiating, commending him for this latest round of grandstanding, dissecting the brilliance of his plan to force the GOP to raise the debt ceiling on his terms, I go crazy.

    Real people's lives are at stake here. Real people are in a state of almost constant panic right now because of the see-sawing about the future of the safety net.

    How dare Obama gamble with mine or anyone else's life. It is not political brilliance. It is cruel and heartless and unnecessary.


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    The appearance of bipartisanship is (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:56:37 PM EST
    essential for cutting the benefits of the safety net programs. The current wisdom is that shared blame equals no blame.  

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    Leave it to Oklahoma... (none / 0) (#78)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:43:02 AM EST
    the lynch mob is even after the blood of Casey Anthony look-alikes, some psycho almost killed this poor innocent lady.

    Casey definitely better leave the country...good lord.

    off topic, but I'll be brief (none / 0) (#84)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:25:14 AM EST
    didn't forget about you & Mom

    schedule has been nuts....waiting for weekend to be able to give unfettered attention and send appropriate advice and first hand experience.

    later

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    No worries... (none / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:36:38 AM EST
    and please Shooter don't put yourself and take away from your well-deserved leisure time this weekend.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated, but it is nothing resembling an emergency...just a wish we have for dear old moms.  Take your time and thanks again.

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    gotcha, and don't worry (none / 0) (#112)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:51:37 PM EST
    not a single beer will go undrunk because of "Mom"

    glug, glug, glug

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    Thats what I like to hear... (none / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 02:00:13 PM EST
    I shall raise a Blue Point Ale in your honor tonight at the Great South Bay Music Festival.

    If you or any of the TL NY contingent feel like trekking out to Patchogue, it's a great time...good tunes and the South Bay breeze, tonight and all day Saturday & Sunday.  Blue Point Brewing Co. is in the house with a big ol' tent full of kegs.  I'll be the guy near the speakers playing hackey-sack.

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    I like your last sentence! (none / 0) (#143)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 05:14:13 PM EST
    DOJ seeking reinstatement of DADT, (none / 0) (#81)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 10:53:40 AM EST
    and has filed a brief in support of an emergency stay on repeal.

    David Dayen:

    The Justice Department will seek a short-term emergency stay to the bar on the military's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, a puzzling twist to a court case that appeared to end the policy outright.

    In the brief, DoJ seeks reinstatement of the policy by close of business today, July 15. It says that DoJ continues to defend the constitutionality of Don't Ask Don't Tell, which the President opposes and which was repealed by Congress late last year.

    This appears to be a case about separation of powers and timing more than anything. The Pentagon is ready to certify repeal; all of the service chiefs, service secretaries and combatant commanders have submitted their final assessments. Repeal is scheduled to be certified by the end of the month or the beginning of next month, and after certification there is a 60-day Congressional review period (put in to earn Robert Byrd's vote).

    But the Justice Department says that the injunction banning the policy, coming just weeks before the Pentagon's own certification process, will cause "real and immediate harm." If that's the case, why did the Pentagon meekly implement the injunction worldwide, allowing for the acceptance of gay and lesbian recruits, along with an end to all discharges? Maybe DoJ and DoD aren't speaking to one another, but ending the policy only to fight to start it up again will cause a supreme amount of confusion and could lead to actual harm to the lives of soldiers.

    What's more, the Ninth Circuit denied the injunction because of the DoJ's own policies on the Defense of Marriage Act, where it calls for heightened scrutiny for discrimination based on sexual orientation. DoJ in its brief says that the court "misapprehended the significance" of their DOMA policy. I don't see how. Sexual orientation either gets heightened scrutiny or it doesn't, you cannot pick and choose when to scrutinize.

    The meat of the DoJ order is right here:

    In sum, the government argues that lifting the stay unjustifiably takes the authority for repealing DADT away from the executive branch and it does so, at least in part, because of confusion by the Ninth Circuit panel regarding the DOJ's view of whether DADT is constitutional after the passage of the repeal act and regarding the application of the DOJ's DOMA decisions to military laws like DADT.

    The executive branch wants to defend its policy work and doesn't want the court bigfooting around finding its laws unconstitutional. Unless we're talking about DOMA, where that's precisely what DoJ has requested.

    It looks like a question of who gets the power to overturn DADT. The President wants his signing ceremony.

    I'm confused - perhaps someone can enlighten me.

    Move over, Anne, (none / 0) (#94)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:12:25 PM EST
    because I'm confused, too.

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    Eric Holder (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:54:38 PM EST
    and his minions are making Alberto Gonzales and his minions look pretty good in comparison.  At one point DADT could not be touched by the executive branch (not even a stop order) because it was a mater for Congress.  Now it is a matter for the Executive not the judicial, at least in this case wherein the Appellate Court relieved on the executive position.  

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    Tell me again why (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:05:30 PM EST
    I voted for a Democrat in '08?  (At least, I thought I did.)  Oh, right- it was because of Grampy McCain and Caribou Barbie.  Well, I'll give Obama this- he's better than they would have been, but that's faint praise, considering how bad they were.  Especially just the thought of Caribou Barbie being one heartbeat away from the Presidency.  {{shudder}}

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    Y'know, (none / 0) (#128)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:08:19 PM EST
    if Caribou barbie or her minnesota clone either one makes the ticket, then... they could do worse through ignorance and ideology than the current group has.

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    I don't think that (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:44:47 PM EST
    Palin has a shot any more, but Bachmann might well have.  If Michele becomes President (with Marcus as First Gentleman), I think I would seriously consider re-locating to Canada.  Or learning German and moving to Germany.  Heck, I already speak French, maybe I'll move to France, especially if they would dump Sarkozy, although the food and wine would go a long way towards making up for Nicolas.  (I speak Greek, too, but I don't think I'll be moving to Greece any time soon.)

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    probably good exchange rates (none / 0) (#133)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 03:47:35 PM EST
    after Greece switches back to the Drachma...

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    Thanks, but I think (none / 0) (#136)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:00:35 PM EST
    I'll wait until things settle down there politically a bit more.  Although, after that, it would be an enticing possibility.   ;-)

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    I'll be looking for a yard boy position (none / 0) (#139)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 04:27:10 PM EST
    I've seen the yards, so I can handle the 1/2 hour a week they require, lol!

    Now when the oranges come in? yeah, that's more work.

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    Well, how do you feel (none / 0) (#141)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 05:03:38 PM EST
    about also taking care of olive and lemon trees?  If I move to Greece, it's gotta be Crete (ancestors on both sides are from there).  I was thinking of a little place with a few olive, orange, and lemon tress in the back......    ;-)


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    What do you hear about present situation (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 05:16:15 PM EST
    in Crete?  Definitely on my bucket list and I haven't heard of any protests/violence there.  Of course, if the famous frescoes are not available for viewing because the government workers are on strike, . . .  

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    From what I can gather, (none / 0) (#145)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 05:52:54 PM EST
    it has been pretty calm in Crete.  The protests have been concentrated on the mainland, particularly Athens.  Tourism to all parts of Greece is down (understandably), but Crete seems to be fine.  The main problem would seem to be be getting to Greece, if you're flying, or going by boat.  The periodic strikes can disrupt travel by air or the ports.  I have no info about the historic sites, though.

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    Probably a crap shoot, as always! (none / 0) (#146)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:06:16 PM EST
    Hey, what can I say? (none / 0) (#148)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:21:16 PM EST
    Government worker strikes are not exactly unheard of in many parts of Europe (unlike here).  ;-)

    Parent
    Plus, the International Herald Tribune (5.00 / 0) (#149)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:25:15 PM EST
    publishes a handy schedule of impending strikes.  Very convenient.  

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    Good to know (none / 0) (#150)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 06:27:13 PM EST
    Thanks, oculus!

    Parent
    It's rather amusing. Italian RR workers (none / 0) (#152)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 07:34:03 PM EST
    announce a strike on Wed., Sat., and the following Monday.

    French RR workers announce the train between Paris and Versailles will not be operating the following days.

    etc.  

    Parent

    Time again to reference (none / 0) (#99)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:39:18 PM EST
    WORM?

    Parent
    Bleh....now Dan Savage is on (none / 0) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 08:36:48 PM EST
    Bill Maher tonight.  You guys will have to tell me how bad they get together...how sexist. I just can't do it.  I'm going to watch Torchwood instead.