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Is Confidence In Obama The Real Confidence Fairy?

Krugman:

Mr. Obama had this to say about the economics of the budget: “Government has to start living within its means, just like families do. We have to cut the spending we can’t afford so we can put the economy on sounder footing, and give our businesses the confidence they need to grow and create jobs.”

That’s three of the right’s favorite economic fallacies in just two sentences. No, the government shouldn’t budget the way families do; on the contrary, trying to balance the budget in times of economic distress is a recipe for deepening the slump. Spending cuts right now wouldn’t “put the economy on sounder footing.” They would reduce growth and raise unemployment. And last but not least, businesses aren’t holding back because they lack confidence in government policies; they’re holding back because they don’t have enough customers — a problem that would be made worse, not better, by short-term spending cuts.

Whether Obama believes this or not, that is his policy now. Apparently he has decided this approach is the best way for him to win reelection. What is a progressive or liberal to do? Stop counting on President Obama. He is not your policy ally with regard to economic policy. You want to stop him on economic policy. Time to wake up. As Krugman notes:

Which raises the big question: If a debt deal does emerge, and it overwhelmingly reflects conservative priorities and ideology, should Democrats in Congress vote for it?

Mr. Obama’s people will no doubt argue that their fellow party members should trust him, that whatever deal emerges was the best he could get. But it’s hard to see why a president who has gone out of his way to echo Republican rhetoric and endorse false conservative views deserves that kind of trust.

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    I think it's time to accept that Obama (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 09:25:38 AM EST
    actually does believe this because nothing he has said, even going back into the 2008 campaign, and very little that he has done, suggests otherwise.

    What people should also find more than troubling is that, as Krugman also mentions in that column,

    People have asked me why the president's economic advisers aren't telling him not to believe in the confidence fairy -- that is, not to believe the assertion, popular on the right but overwhelmingly refuted by the evidence, that slashing spending in the face of a depressed economy will magically create jobs. My answer is, what economic advisers? Almost all the high-profile economists who joined the Obama administration early on have either left or are leaving.

    Nor have they been replaced. As The Wall Street Journal recently noted, there are a "stunning" number of vacancies in important economic posts. So who's defining the administration's economic views?

    In a strange way, I actually have an "easier" time dealing with the likelihood that Obama does believe these policies - because they indicate that he may not be totally hollow - than I do suspecting that he's been on this path only because what's most important to him is his political fortune and he thinks, and his advisors have convinced him, that this is the best thing for HIM.

    I think he's wrong about that, too, but the hardest part of all of it is that I don't see much possibility of a pivot or about-face to saner and sounder economic policies.

    I'm convinced (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by Warren Terrer on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 09:42:59 AM EST
    he believes in these policies. Whether he believed them back in 2008 when he was wooing the voters with candy kisses is irrelevant. He believes them now. In my book someone who believes these things about the economy is deeply unqualified to be president.

    But let's suppose for a second he doesn't really believe what he says. So what? He says it almost daily, and he's working to get congress to enact these policies. Thinking that he will say these things while doing the opposite is called 'faith' not reason.

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    Of course, he believes it ! (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 12:50:47 PM EST
    I frankly don't understand why this is even debated anymore.

    I know it's hard for a lot of people to admit that they were fooled by a few cheap Mad Ave tricks.  But they were.  And they should just own up.

    This is Obama.  These are his policies.  There's no other Obama.  No secret Obama.  There curtain has been pulled back, and there he is.

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    I don't think he believes anything and that's why (none / 0) (#43)
    by rainstorm17 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 06:59:06 PM EST
    we get this weird signals, or lack of them, from him.  I think he's a pure process guy.  His belief is in the power of the system, democracy, compromise itself.  It doesn't really matter to him what the deal is as long as a deal is reached.  Then he can be satisfied that democracy is working as intended.
       Sadly, he doesn't seem to factor in the corruption of the system or what happens when two sides don't come to the table with a sincere interest in reaching an agreement that would benefit all citizens.

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    Nah ... (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:46:34 PM EST
    that's just more excuses.  Obama's another corporatist stooge with consistent policies that serve that group.  End of.

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    Your comment is short and simple (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 12:30:02 PM EST
    and IMO 100% accurate. No need for more any analysis.

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    To answer your post's question - YES (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by BobTinKY on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 10:01:58 AM EST
    Obama will lose.  Nixon, a complete crook but man of considerable political skill, said you cannot win a national election with 7% unemployment.  7%!  And that is back when the Govt unemployment numbers were more straight up!

    I long ago gave up any idea that Obama knew anything about economics, he clearly does not and is taken with the smartest guys in the room, smoothest talking guys in the nicest suit types.  

    I do not want to engage in pop psychology but the man seems driven to convert enemies to friends.  That seems to be his end and capitulation or co-opting of hideous policies is simply one means of obtaining that end.  In any event, I've seen enough to realize he is dragging down progressivism because anything he does or fails to do will be characterized by the GOP and their coporate owned media henchmen as failed Dem/liberla policy.  And he is not going to address unemployment in any meaningful way, he is more likely to make matters worse.

    What a disaster.  Absent a real Dem primary challenge with the new approaches we need, the best outocme is the GOP winning and taking the blame for their inaction on unemployment.  Then maybe the stage will be set for 2016.

    DCCC email yesterday (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 10:24:34 AM EST
    At this moment, Speaker Boehner is crafting a deficit deal that would gut Medicare and Social Security, while slashing benefits for seniors and the middle class in order to make sure he protects tax breaks for millionaires. This is unacceptable and House Democrats will not stand for this.

    John Boenher didn't put cutting Social Security on the table, Obama did. He has wanted to cut Social Security benefits from the day he took office. He just wants to be able to blame the Republicans for it. link

    Obama is working hard to cut benefits for seniors and the middle class to pay for the tax breaks contain in the Obama tax breaks for millionaires which Democratic members of Congress voted for and they have the audacity to try and bilk money out this travesty.

    How could they possibly send that (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:13:17 AM EST
    out? I think everyone pretty much got the message as to who wants to cut SS/MC2, and throw seniors, the poor and middle class under the bus.

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    What's In A Name? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:58:17 AM EST
    Dems Support Social Security Benefit Cut -- By Calling It Something Else

    Social Security benefit cuts may be a bridge too far for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). But what if Republicans and Democrats alike just agreed to refer to a benefit cut by another name.

    That's how key negotiators have decided to treat one policy proposal, popular in Washington, that would simultaneously raise tax revenues and reduce Social Security benefits. As explained at length here, the idea is to peg federal Cost of Living Adjustments to a new, stingier measure of inflation.

    Experts say the new index (the so-called Chained Consumer Price Index) is a more realistic metric for measuring inflation's impact on peoples' behavior. But the fact remains that if the change goes through as part of a grand bargain to lower deficits and raise the debt limit, retirees will receive less money each month than they're currently promised.

    And if you think Democrats are playing dumb because they want a deal, think again. They're some of the biggest supporters of this plan.

    Seniors evidently don't need the money. Oh, wait.

    What a new G.A.O. report calls "food insecurity" remains stubbornly high among seniors with low incomes. In 2009, about 19 percent of households with a low-income person over age 60 faced this problem -- meaning that the older adult was uncertain of having enough food or unable to acquire enough.

    In elderly households below the poverty line, nearly a third suffer food insecurity, the G.A.O. found, and in 17 percent of them an older person had to eat less at some point in the past year because he or she simply couldn't afford food. link

    Yep, Seniors evidently don't need the money. Much better to spend the money on never ending wars and lowering taxes on corporations and the uber-wealthy.

    BTW, Obama has indicated that he will veto any debt limit deal if the cuts are not deep enough.

       

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    Through the Looking Glass. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 01:16:16 PM EST
    Supporters of the alternate measure of inflation (chain-weighted CPI), maintain that the current measure of inflation overstates increases in the cost of living because it does not adequately reflect how, when faced with higher prices, consumers change their buying habits, substituting cheaper items for more expensive ones.  Note: savvy businessmen deserve reward; savvy consumers deserve penalty.

    Now, sometimes these numbers get away from me, so I have, taken my cue from expressing time in Iraq in Friedman Units (FU), to "savings" from the chain-weighted  CPI expressed as Boehner-Obama Units (BO), with one BO Unit equivalent to the cost of one month in Afghanistan( $10 billion).  The Congressional Budget Office estimates that using this version of the CPI for our bedrock social programs may save about 10 BO's over ten years, or one BO a year. Using the cw CPI, as proposed, to change income tax brackets and provisions like standard deductions would save 6 BO's over ten years, or 0.6 BO's per year.  A lot of BO Units in savings which is seen as outweighing the fact that old-timers get less in social security as they get older, and more middle class Americans pay more tax as they find themselves in higher tax brackets


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    Love that last paragraph (none / 0) (#30)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 02:01:20 PM EST
    and yes, elderly consumers can just use their reduced share of those BO units to buy more of that cheaper catfood, savvy old people that they are.

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    I wish he would (none / 0) (#22)
    by sj on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 12:17:22 PM EST
    But they won't give him anything to veto.

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    Thet DCCC email is... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Romberry on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 07:00:49 PM EST
    ...the a perfect illustration of irony. It also illustrates that they expect you to be uninformed if not in fact stupid and to fall for tribal divisionist tactics.

    We have only one major political party in these United States. That is the Money Party. The Democrats and Republicans form its two wings.

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    Poll at (none / 0) (#42)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 06:36:40 PM EST
    RCP has Pres. tied with Romney in PA

    & Ohio is gone...

    And, regarding spin Dems may put on SS etc. cuts -- do you really think the Repubs will let them get a way with it?  The Repubs are already on the attack, and Pres. Obama no longer has the media's blind support.

    2012 is gonna be a very different election.

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    Seems to me an impossible situation (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:54:35 AM EST
    The GOP is bent on Obama's destruction, and so have no interest in good policy. At the same time, Obama's ideas of good policy are not much better than theirs.

    Everyone but the GOP elite loses in all possible outcomes.

    Huh?!? (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 12:39:16 PM EST
    He is not your policy ally with regard to economic policy. You want to stop him on economic policy. Time to wake up.

    Time for who to wake up?  Most of us have been "awake" on this issue for a long, long time.

    Democratic members (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 12:41:10 PM EST
    of Congress

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    If Democrats in Congress (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by cal1942 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 12:39:46 PM EST
    do go along with Obama they will find themselves out of office much sooner than they thought.

    Already dues paying party members are dropping out.  Since March dues paying party membership is  down 20% in my county.

    A capitulation on Social Security/Medicare, etc. will cause many party people to wonder if the Democratic Party has changed beyond recognition and certainly Democratic voters may find other activities on election day as they did last November.

    Congressional Democrats can stop that slide by refusing to support Obama's right-wing inspired budget plans.  


    If someone wanted to primary Obama (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 01:03:26 PM EST
    and that someone is in Congress, this could be the issue on which to take a strong and DEMOCRATIC stand -- and that could win a lot of our votes.

    Just saying, just in case anyone in Congress is listening.

    But I doubt it.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#55)
    by cal1942 on Sun Jul 10, 2011 at 01:20:36 PM EST
    I would support a real Democratic primary challenger in a heart beat and I know others would as well.

    But, over the past few decades Democrats have been too concerned with the election directly in front of them and not concerned with future potential.

    One of the many things that grinds me is that the last session of Congress had a chance to expand union membership by passing card check but Democratic Senators stopped it.  Probably afraid their Wall Street masters would pull the plug on them for the next election.  Expanding union membership would, in time, help make the party less dependent on tainted money from the Street.  Think of what tyhat would do for policy.

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    ok, i think i understand this now: (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by cpinva on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 01:15:39 PM EST
    1. governments should be run like businesses., and
    2. governments should be run like families.

    i believe i begin to see the crux of pres. obama's problems, with respect to the economy:

    he's a farking idiot. or perhaps he just plays one in the oval office. but, he did get a good night's rest last night, in some cheesy hotel.

    honestly, i really don't expect the president (or any politician, for that matter) to be an expert in all things. it would be unrealistic, and we'd never get anyone elected. i do expect them to hire people who are experts in their chosen field (be it law, economics, finance, education or agriculture), with a compelling history of being right, not just being successfully wrong.

    Do you ever get the impression (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 03:54:23 PM EST
    that Obama is not only either utterly powerless to produce any positive progressive results, in which case he's not worth voting for, or he's got the power to produce progressive results and refuses to, in which case he's not worth voting for - but that it's even worse than that - and that he has become so completely disconnected from the day to day reality and the concerns of ordinary Americans that he now is deliberately and actively working for the republican party and their millionaire/billionaire donors and against the interests of the people who voted for him in 2008?

    Yesterday Doyle McManus wrote an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times on Team Obama's victory plan, analyzing Senior White House Adviser (the "brains" behind the president's 2008 campaign) David Plouffe's comments at a breakfast Wednesday, July 6, 2011, organized by Bloomberg news.

    McManus reported in that article that Team Obama sees four reasons they expect to win the 2012 election, and Plouffe's first reason was unbelievably disconnected from reality:

    First, Plouffe suggested, Obama has an opportunity to improve his standing among independent voters -- many of whom deserted the Democrats in the 2010 midterm election -- by working with Republicans toward bipartisan deficit-reduction measures.

    As Thom Hartmann reminded yesterday:

    The President is trying to pitch a $4 trillion deficit reduction package over the next 10 years - that slashes away at programs mostly affecting the working class and even cuts up the social safety net in America - trimming $400 billion from Medicare and Medicaid. All of these tough cuts will be in exchange for closing a few tax loopholes for corporations, millionaires, and billionaire. Ultimately, President Obama's deal is heavy on spending cuts, light on tax hikes.
    ...
    We have a society in which 400 Americans own more wealth that 150 million other Americans. We have a society in which 50% of all the children in America will depend on food stamps at some point in their life before they are 18 - and among African American children that number is 90%. We no longer live in a just society - and if Brzezinski is right - turbulent times could be ahead for America.



    Sure glad that I'm the only Independent (5.00 / 6) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 04:20:28 PM EST
    voter that relies on SS and Medicare. Otherwise they might not like having their benefits cuts anymore than I do. If I weren't the only Independent voter who receives SS and Medicare, Obama's plan to capture their votes by cutting SS, Medicare and Medicaid benefits might backfire and seriously cost him and the Democratic politicians votes in 2012.  

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    Well, to me (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 04:28:44 PM EST
    it's become increasing obvious over the past two years that Obama does not "cave" to the republican party - when someone continually goes along on everything with someone else whom they 'claim' to be opposing, it's not "caving", it's the plan.

    And since he did promise transparency when he was campaigning, I'm glad there is now one more person than just me seeing through him.

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    Anyone who was paying attention to what (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 04:51:04 PM EST
    Obama said during the primaries and and not the translations of "What Obama Really Meant" (i.e. WORM) should not be surprised by his agenda. He has been following his plan from day one. Rationalizations of alternative excuses for his actions fall into the same category as the WORM for much the same reasons.  

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    BTW (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 04:55:14 PM EST
    Obama does not restrict himself to going along with his so called political opponents. He ups the anti and goes far beyond their initial demands to pass the more far reaching (i.e. disastrous) legislation that he wants.

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    I'm sure he'll have a very well paying job (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 05:02:16 PM EST
    with a nice corner view office and free parking, waiting for him on wall street after the 2012 election.

    And he'll still be grinning from ear to ear, if he can keep from bursting out laughing.

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    He won't need the parking space as he'll (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 05:59:08 PM EST
    have a town car and driver waiting.

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    I stand corrected :-) (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 06:04:23 PM EST
    "The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

    -- Hunter S. Thompson



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    And yet, no one is talking (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by NYShooter on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 01:17:03 AM EST
    about the real issue.

    I'm really surprised that Frank Rich's outstanding July 4, article in New york magazine hasn't created more of a storm.

    Now, I haven't been much of a Frank Rich fan these past few years for reasons that many here probably agree with, but it seems he's had a sort of epiphany about Obama.

    Basically, his point was that "The Rich" caused this disaster, it was Obama's duty to go through the cathartic process of bringing the guilty to justice, but when Main Street looked to the President for relief, He crossed the street and stood with Wall Street.

    I know I've said it before, but if some candidate, doesn't matter from what Party, stands up and says, "The Rich caused this problem and if I'm your President I promise to use all the resources of the U.S. Government to get back all the money they stole."

    Crazy, I know, but I believe the public would abandon anyone they're thinking about voting for and throw their support to the new guy/gal overwhelmingly. And, as crazy as it sounds, its the only idea that deals with the problem truthfully.

    Hey, we're all having crazy daydreams (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Anne on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 09:39:15 AM EST
    now...looking for that one special person who is going to come free us from the train tracks before we get run over...we can all see that train a-comin' and it's bigger than we realized and it's picking up steam...

    On that note...who has the credibility to stand before the people and announce that it's time for the little people to take back their country, to cross the moat and storm the castle and throw open the doors to the room where all the loot is?

    Is there any one person who could rhetorically do that and be believed?  Any politician whose name we would recognize has, no doubt, taken millions from special interests - and whether he or she can say they took it and ran and never fulfilled the obligations that were attached to it is probably just a matter of looking at the voting record.  I mean, how do we trust anyone?

    I'm not sure I would go so far as to say the entire class of rich people are responsible; yes, the rich do like to get richer, and the really rich have people whose job it is to make that happen, but most of the rich people I know are in the stock market, in garden-variety equities and bonds, own property, and/or have businesses.  Some of what they have started as an inheritance, or an inheritance just added to the cushion.  What they have is making more, and their lifestyles are such that they aren't spending more than they're making.  It's a little old-fashioned, really.

    It was the people in Wall Street board rooms and war rooms, the bankers getting greedy, the MOTU dreaming up new and riskier forms of investment, a lot of which went not into individual hands, but to institutional and corporate accounts.

    These are the people who need to pay.

    As for Frank Rich, he's definitely opened at least one eye, but he's still hanging on to the idea that all Obama needs is some spine and he can once again be the transformative one Frank bought into; he's still not willing to admit that this president who can't seem to give Republicans and Wall Street enough love is a president who loves Republicans and Wall Street.  

    When all is said and done, Frank Rich - like a lot of people here - will return to the compliant and cooperative fold and vote to send Obama back to the WH, if only because they see him as less dangerous than any Republican alternative.

    And that may be true, but I maintain that we have no reason to believe a Barack Obama who doesn't have to be re-elected in 2016 won't feel so free of any and all obligations to even the most marginally Democratic constituency that he won't act in a way that removes all doubt, even for the true believers, about where his heart really lies - with conservative, judgmental, and regressive ideology and an abiding love for wealth and the people who make that happen.

    It may be time for the next revolution, time to take to the streets, to go on strike, to be seen and heard and understood, and to send a message that we are not going away, not going to be ignored.  That's where the credibility is, and it's probably where a real leader of the people is, but there are still too many of us reasonably comfortable in our lives, too mindful of the power this government now has to retaliate, that we will keep putting one foot in front of the other and tell ourselves, "everything will be okay" even if, for so many people, it is not.

    Sigh.

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    At the end of the S&L debacle (none / 0) (#51)
    by Rojas on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 01:06:11 PM EST
    we put over 800 bankers and their associates in jail.
    Where is the DOJ today? Crickets....

    The revolution is over, they won.


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    I don't think that the revolution is over (none / 0) (#54)
    by sj on Sun Jul 10, 2011 at 03:45:45 AM EST
    It just hasn't happened yet.  Too many people too medicated to rouse themselves to action.  But what happens when they can no longer afford those meds?

    And I'm not really sure how hyperbolic I'm being.  Which is scary.

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    As an experiment (none / 0) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 08:53:31 AM EST
    I x-posted this one at daily kos.

    I've shied away from discussing the economy there because I think it ends up being a shouting match.

    But I am curious to see how the recent news on the debt talks coupled with the unemployment numbers today shakes things up, if at all.

    The experiment is flawed (5.00 / 7) (#12)
    by BTAL on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:16:04 AM EST
    The addition of this at the end there vs here skews any and all comparisons.

    Let me add this final thought - opposing the President on economic policy at this time does not mean not supporting him for reelection. Indeed, there is no choice in the matter even in terms of economic policy - as bad as Obama is right now on economic policy, he will be better than the GOP alternative. But supporting the President for reelection does not mean supporting his suicidal economic policy now. Urging Democrats in Congress to not support the President's economic policy is the right thing to do. And they might even listen.


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    The paragraph is as flawed as the experiment. (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Romberry on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 07:12:03 PM EST
    Supporting Obama's re-election is not an option.

    Obama must go. And Democrats must be the ones to take him down. The future of the Democratic Party and liberalism depends on it. Failure to remove this president from office is not an option. Disapproval must be such that he declines to even run. We must replace the head of the party with an actual Democrat. We must.

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    Likewise (none / 0) (#15)
    by Warren Terrer on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:33:16 AM EST
    there was this diary, which wasn't even posted here.

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    That's TalkingDem (none / 0) (#18)
    by Towanda on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:49:50 AM EST
    at DKos, not TalkingLeft.

    So that explains why that paragraph is not the conclusion of this post here?

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    Well, FWIW (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 10:16:26 AM EST
    yesterday morning the diary at the very top of the rec list over at the Great Orange Satan's House was titled:  "President Obama Commits Political Suicide".

    And it hasn't been zapped....  So, we see how they are coming around.

    And, moving a little off-topic, when one of any reader's wingnut acquaintences goes on about the glories of a default and government shutdown, ask them this:  "who's going to be on the other end of the phone to say 'proceed' or 'stop' when your gun dealer calls the instant background check line to clear your gun puchase?  (No one.)  And, do you think your gun dealer is going to make the sale to you (or anyone else) without going through the instant background check?  (The latter is highly unlikely.)"

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    The comments over there (none / 0) (#9)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 10:24:38 AM EST
    are interesting.  Apparently the height of activism for some is passively waiting to see what the President does.  

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    Love this: (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by sj on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:07:55 AM EST
    Krugman is:

    ignoring the populist heart of Obama's speech.

    I'm speechless.

    And they're still talking about "framing".  Gah, no wonder I rarely go there.


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    Love is blind n/t (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Warren Terrer on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:28:16 AM EST
    Well (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:40:23 AM EST
    you don't need to see a fire to know a fire is burning.  I think you are ignoring reality if you don't see that a) Obama wants a big $4 trillion deal b) at least 85% of that will be cuts and c) SS cuts are on the table.  Jay Carney yesterday responded to c) by saying there's a difference between cut and slash.  If that explanation works for you, then just say so.  But remember - we are only trying to raise the debt ceiling.  At this point the Dem position should be "there is no need for this bullsh*t!  Raise the debt ceiling and GTFO!"

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    Those people wouldn't say a word (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by Warren Terrer on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:30:35 AM EST
    against Obama unless he physically transmogrified into George W Bush. Then again they'd probably consider that to be a move of sheer genius.

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    'Time to wake up.' (none / 0) (#46)
    by RonK Seattle on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 10:37:05 PM EST
    What good will it do to wake up now?

    How will waking up change the outcome?

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    Earlier today (none / 0) (#41)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 06:29:23 PM EST
    I looked at a post there on Pres Obama, Congress & deficit reduction/entitlement cuts.  More comments disagree with the Pres. than support him. The times they are a changin'

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    Well. (none / 0) (#2)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 09:18:51 AM EST
    At least we might get a payroll tax cut!  Stimulus!!

    TPM (none / 0) (#4)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 09:36:08 AM EST
    has an interesting article on deficit reduction, which, yeah, you better believe Obama believes it:

    "The ideal thing is to get more realists to use their enthusiasm for deficit reduction -- their professed enthusiasm for deficit reduction -- to lock them into the reality that something on revenues has to be part of the solution, and to make sure that nothing's done on entitlements that's damaging to our interests without making sure that revenues are on the table in a meaningful way," one senior Treasury official told several reporters at a background roundtable meeting weeks ago.

    and, from the same senior Treasury official:

    [Y]ou reduce the risk that all the pressure to reduce deficits falls on spending today, this year. So if you can make a credible commitment over time to phase in over time a balanced package, you take a huge amount of pressure off the risk that non-defense discretionary gets gutted....

    You are much more likely to improve confidence in sustainability of an expansion if it looks like -- if there's a credible multi-year plan Congress will be held to that phases those things over time.

    If it's more balanced ... there's less risk to growth in the near term.

    There is your "progressive silver lining."  We will have "reduced the risk that all pressure to reduce deficits falls on spending."

    Booman says it all (none / 0) (#17)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:47:39 AM EST
    I'm hoping to see something no one is discussing included in the bill.

    link.

    Booman is ridiculous and imbecilic, (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by shoephone on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 03:27:14 PM EST
    as is 90% of his commentariat.

    Parent
    Heh..Booman doesn't (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 01:14:08 PM EST
    know what the President could or should do about the economy he says.  Finally he gets something about himself and his depth of understanding when it comes to more than a couple of current problems, realities, as well as possible solutions :)  He can't argue for much in the department of the economy because he doesn't understand much, I'm certain he will continue to apologize though for this President because he can understand that :)

    Parent
    Well... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by shoephone on Sat Jul 09, 2011 at 03:23:16 PM EST
    Ignorance IS bliss, right?

    Parent
    Answer to your question about (none / 0) (#20)
    by observed on Fri Jul 08, 2011 at 11:57:19 AM EST
    the Obama confidence fairy: Don't ask,  don't tell.