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Big Business Wins In Proposed Patent "Reform"

BTD's EDITORIAL NOTE - This post is written by my law firm colleague, Philip Furgang, a noted New York patent law practitioner. Philip is the author of the forthcoming book, "Patent Prosecution" (Oxford University Press.) The views expressed are his own and do not necessarily reflect the views of TalkLeft.

The future of America lies in its ability to be creative — to “out think” the rest of the world. Come up with a great idea and you can become rich. You can build a business that will create many jobs. And there is a system in place to protect inventors, the patent system. Think of those who have done it: Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Wright Brothers, and many, many more. That system, the system which made it all possible for the US to lead the world, a system in place since 1789, the system is about to be changed to discourage creativity, and to hobble the independent inventor. Large corporations have mounted a large lobbying campaign, spending huge sums of money, to get the so-called “America Invents Act” through Congress. They must be stopped. [More . . ]

Zach Carter observed in the Huffington Post:

Today, the patent bill looks like a scorecard tallying points for powerful corporations: a win for pharmaceutical companies whose monopolies are driving up Medicare costs; a win for Wall Street's battle against check-processing patents . . . .

Left out of the tally is the public, even as the economic landscape for American families grows darker. Historian Richard Hofstadter famously observed that Congress during the Gilded Age busied itself with dividing the nation's spoils among the rich and powerful. But as the current patent struggle suggests, the spoilsmen are back and Washington is once again an arbiter of who lands the lucre.

Here is just part of what the so-called “American Invents Act” will do if it becomes law and what you can do to stop it.

What the Proposed Bill Does:

Imagine this: you have a dispute with a large corporation and decide to sue. Then you find out that the winner of the law suit will be decided by, of all things, a race. Whoever wins the race to the courthouse steps wins the law suit. Sound ridiculous and farfetched. Think again.

Under the present system, the one who invents first gets the patent. What this means is that an inventor can’t be stopped because a huge corporation can beat the inventor to the door of the Patent Office. Under the so-called “reform” it will be whoever wins the race to the steps of the Patent Office will get the patent!

The repercussions are much broader than the obviously dishonest idea of giving a patent to someone who wins a race to the door of the Patent Office. To develop inventions takes time, effort, and money. By awarding patents to first inventors, the current system encourages development. Going to a first to file system, as called for in the proposed law, will discourage developments. More than that, it would increase the likelihood that patent applications would be defective because they would be filed too early in the development stage. But this is precisely the barrier to independent inventors that large corporations, who oppose startup competition, crave. Given such a situation, it would be no surprise that investors will be disinclined to support startups.

The current Patent Act encourages inventors by providing a grace period for filing a patent application. During this period small companies can go to the marketplace, seek financing, find manufacturing and marketing partners, or decide whether or not to file a patent application.

Under the proposed act, the grace period would be eliminated. Go out and promote your invention and you lose the right to file. This means that small businesses will have to file first and then find out if they should commercialize an invention afterwards. The proposed act would cause small businesses to incur additional and unnecessary expense, and thereby discourage innovation, development and job creation.

Under the present system, if a new method of doing business (say, a great way of delivering music on the Internet) is created, it can be patented.

The new act, if it passes, eliminates business method patents. There is not a single other industry that has a special patent provision to protect it, not one.

The present law gives competitors the right to have the Patent Office review an issued patent. The proposed law would give competitors more weapons to have patents reviewed and re-reviewed, in order to delay inventions and innovations and upwardly spiral an inventor's costs. So to the cost of patenting an invention add the cost of defending it again and again and again. This ups the price and the risk for small companies and puts them into expensive (very expensive) litigation, litigation they might not want, may not be able to afford and may not be ready for. The mere existence of these procedures will be another way of closing out the small inventor and small businesses.

Under current law, a company must file a patent within one year of putting the invention into commercial use, whether or not the public is aware. The new act would changes the rules. A company will be able to use an invention in secret for years and then file a patent application years later. This undermines one of the major objectives of patent law - to bring the benefits of innovation to the public as quickly as possible. After all, the Constitution provides Congress the power to enact laws that "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Today, it’s one patent for one invention. The new act permits the filing of multiple applications for the same invention. Issue multiple patents for the same invention and thereby create a legal thicket which will be used to block startups and competition.

This one’s a beaut. Today an inventor must disclose the best method of making the invention. Under the proposed act, a large company can keep the best method secret so long as they can show some other way of practicing the invention. The whole idea of the patent system is to require the inventor to provide for the public benefit the best way of making the invention so that when the patent ends, everyone can make the invention. Now, large businesses can hold the best methods and processes secret, thus the defeating the purpose of our patent system.

What Can Be Done About It:

Congress is in recess but they will take up the bill when it returns in early September. As complicated as the America Invents Act is, opposition is straight forward. If you agree that the proposed bill is wrong, you can:

Telephone your Representative and Senators right away and tell them to vote against the America Invents Act. You can find the name and phone number of your representative at this link. You can find your Senators’ contact information at this link.

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    Obama has passing this bill high on his list (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by scribe on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:43:21 PM EST
    of priorities.

    Any questions about where he stands?

    He stands... (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by Dadler on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:09:50 PM EST
    ...up to his nostrils in corporate money.  

    Parent
    We (none / 0) (#10)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:38:14 PM EST
    are up to our nostrils in Obama.

    When they throw Bachmann at us, do we duck?

    Parent

    There hasn't been (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Zorba on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:25:46 PM EST
    any question about where he stands (at least, as far as I'm concerned) since the so-called "health care reform" debate early in his administration- if not, in fact, before that.

    Parent
    How about (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by cal1942 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:19:36 AM EST
    before the inauguration when Geithner, Summers, et al were picked?

    How about the silly one day deficit conference just after inauguration?

    How about when he said he'd "reform" Social Security during the primaries, etc., etc?

    How about the ARRA that was nearly 40% tax cuts?

    And on and on and on.

    Parent

    how about in 2004 when he lied (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:18:07 AM EST
    and said he got on the DLC member list be accident?  I do not care that he was a member of the DLC, some of my favorite politicians were members in the past.  I do care that he lied about it.


    Parent
    Yep (none / 0) (#45)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 01:16:07 PM EST
    Those, and also TeresaInPA's caveat about the DLC membership, as well.  I have relatives in Illinois, and I still visit frequently.  Most of them are life-long Democrats, and they still don't know how Obmama came out of practically nowhere to win, first, the US Senate seat, and then the Presidency.  (Well, my Chicago relatives are pretty suspicious of the whole Chicago Machine and the possibility of Obama's Machine connections, and their suspicions long ago rubbed off on me.  But whether the Machine used him, or he used the Machine- as time goes by, I am less and less sure.)

    Parent
    I guess this is just another example (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:08:07 PM EST
    of "reform" that is designed to make sure the little people make as few inroads as possible on the big guys' territory.

    That Obama supports it doesn't surprise me, but that he seems to want to use it as an example of his big "pivot to jobs" tells you almost all you need to know about the chances unemployment's going down anytime soon.

    Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...

    Patents and the little guy (none / 0) (#58)
    by Rojas on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 08:02:18 AM EST
    Many years ago a company I had worked for stiffed me on my severance pay. A year or two goes by and I receive a package in the mail requesting my signature on some European patent docs. I let it sit. Some months later I got a call from an attorney. Why wouldn't I sign, I had signed the US docs and they had my employment release in which my work product belongs to the corp... Well, the docs weren't quite right IMHO, besides there was an outstanding financial issue, I said. What financial issue? they inquired. The CEO knows, ask him I replied.
    A few day go by and the CEO calls me up. The sale of the company hinged on the EU patent rights... The guy wants to negotiate. Nope, just pay me the three months you promised. He pleads poverty. Not my problem I say. He gives in and then informs me that it's going to be a few days. Seems as though he's out at Martha's Vineyard on the family vacation....

    Parent
    Another sickening parallel. (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:22:00 PM EST
    Bush era:

    Allowing polluters to spew filth into the air:
    the "Clean Skies Intiative."

    Obama era:

    Making it difficult to an inventor to invent:  
    "American Invents Act"

    And where does Mr. Obama stand on this issue?

    You know, time after time, BTD and Jeralyn write articles about what is going on during this administration. They detail the corporate domination of our legislative and executive branches and the furtherance of the erosion of our civil liberties.

    And yet we are encouraged to believe that these people are worth getting up for in the morning, waiting in line, missing lunch and voting for.

    I heard a line in a movie the other day. It said that we are expected to believe in politicians who do not believe in us.

    Not me.
    No sir.
    Nyet.
    Nein.
    Fuggetaboudit.

    Corporate domination (none / 0) (#9)
    by Zorba on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:31:19 PM EST
    That pretty much says it all about this administration, and unless things change drastically, about all administrations for the foreseeable future.  We are skating pretty close to being a corporatocracy, if we're not already over that line, lentinel.

    Parent
    That is the question (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:29:11 PM EST
    Have we already gone over the line of no return?

    Has our current system been so corrupted that no change will ever happen under this system?

    Parent

    I have always felt that way (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 05:44:32 AM EST
    about this administration, it started with how involved they all were in the Hamilton Project which has sort of imploded in the wake of our financial meltdown.  Either it has imploded or it has gone underground.

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    Nope...guess not very underground (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 05:49:15 AM EST
    I just wasn't keeping up with them.  It looks like they are behind this push.  This is what they always do though, they push for corporate takeover of all of our structures, they write wonderful papers about how this will finally make all of our lives wonderful, and those on the ground working in these areas know they are completely full of $hit.

    Parent
    As if big corporations don't already have enough (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:25:58 PM EST
    advantages. This just seems like piling on. I can't believe they really need these 'reforms'. It almost seems like there must be some really big gift buried in there for them that I am not seeing.

    The (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:40:49 PM EST
    gift that we're not seeing is the one that they are giving to Obama in exchange for his fidelity.

    It isn't about need.
    It's about greed.
    It never stops.
    There is never enough.

    Parent

    The powerless president is only (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:44:09 PM EST
    powerless in providing help or benefits for the lower 98%. He has unlimited drive, motivation and unlimited power to pass legislation that benefits "Big Business" and screws ordinary citizens. Sky's the limit on these activities.

    Please save us from any more "reforms" from this president. "Reform" with Obama is the new code for "screw ordinary folks."

    According to ABG, Obama would do more but Congress won't let him. Maybe that is a good thing since Obama's idea of more means a lot less for all but his savvy friends.

     

    If Congress (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:05:44 PM EST
    "Won't let him", then a) that tells us that he is ineffective in persuading people to his message, or b) he is weak and in over his head.

    ABG makes the case that Obama should NOT be re-elected.

    ("I can't come and play - my Congress won't let me!")

    Parent

    Why isn't there better press (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:35:05 PM EST
    coverage about this?

    Corrupt media? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by waldenpond on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:43:15 PM EST
    I don't know, but it could be because the same people who will benefit from this: socialize, do business with and/or are married to the people who own media.

    Parent
    Pretty arcane area of the law (none / 0) (#56)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 07:10:00 AM EST
    to those outside the practice and inventors.  But the amounts being litgated are enormous and patent cases comprise a signficant portion of federal judicial dockets.

    These are major revisions though and I would suspect the change from first to invent will grab the public's attention.  I do not think the notion that someone other than an inventor is entitled to patent proteciton will play well here in the land of opportunity.  

    Parent

    Have you ever though about (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:33:15 PM EST
    stopping by and interacting instead of drive by posting? Adding to the discussion could, ya know, help your cause a tad more than the usual post n' run you do.

    Well.... (none / 0) (#1)
    by BTAL on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:42:47 PM EST
    BTW (none / 0) (#3)
    by BTAL on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:43:46 PM EST
    I agree with you/your partner's assessment.  This "reform" is a stupid idea.

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    It's Always Been a Race (none / 0) (#13)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:53:57 PM EST
    Think of those who have done it: Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Wright Brothers, and many, many more.

    Funny Edison was mentioned, he filed a patent for the telephone but later it was discovered that another person filled for the same patent in another city 2 weeks earlier.  His name was Elisha Gray and he was beaten by hours to Alexander Bell, the first to file.  In all I think 30 some people filled the same patent in different cities.

    So it's always been a horse race.

    Myself, I think the patent law is non-sense, it has allowed massive fortunes to accumulate, which I don't think is in the best interest of the country.  20 years is the most common term.  That is far too long, how many fortunes have been made on inventions that like the telephone would have been invented long before the term of the patent was expired ?

    Spurring innovation is great, but to make people pay riduculous sums of money for say... a medication for 20 years is insanity, how that benefits the country as a whole, alludes me.  5 or maybe 10 year patents would still spur innovation with allowing the inventor to amass riduculous fortunes. I also think the only person who can own a patent is the the original inventor.  Selling of intellectual property only increases the amount people are forced to pay.  Why do you think Dolby keeps reinventing their sound, another patent, another zillion products with their new sound codec which means a zillion fees paid by us.  How is that advancing our culture ?

    IMO inventors like "Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Wright Brothers" would have still invented with shorter patent terms.  Now we have companies purchasing patents, isolating patents into revenue generating entities who's only purpose is buy and selling patents for profit.  Which ultimately sniffle grown and strips people of innovation that may already exist.

    The current system might be better then the proposed system, but it's flawed.  To me the patent system doesn't promote more innovation than it stifles.  Intellectual property should have value, but it should not have so much value as to make it's owners some of the richest people in the world.

    Comment from the author (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:21:24 PM EST
    The US patent system has always been a first to invent system. Like you, I have read the short-hand account of the Bell/Gray controversy.  However, the shorthand accounts get it wrong.  The dispute between Bell and Gray was not decided by who filed first.  It was decided by a proceeding known as an "interference."  An interference proceeding decides who is the first inventor.  (In fact, there were a number of interference proceedings.) The right to the patent on the telephone system was never decided on the "first to file."

    The assumption that inventors will invent anyway is unsupported by any study.  Indeed, more patents are filed in the US than anywhere in the world and this has always been the case, principally because our laws favor inventors over large businesses.

    Right now, the issue is do we preserve the current system or allow it to be irrevocably damaged.  I encourage you to call your Representative and Senator.

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    Race yes, but on what track? (none / 0) (#15)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:09:51 PM EST
    Graham Bell got the phone patent because he was first to invent the phone, not file the patent.

    And if invetors of life changing/improving technology do not deserve to be among the richest, who does?   Financiers?

    While I am a bit sympathetic to yoru contention that invetors would invent anyway, in the absence of a patent system, I do think the US patent system has on the whole over the years, performed as intended by Jefferson et al two centuries ago.  

    I think the diarist raises important points that should be considered.  While the rest of the world almost to a country has a first to file system, I personally believe first to invent is both more equitable and more in line with the goal of encouraging innovation.  If, as seems likely, these "reforms" are enacted into law then what we will be rewarding is  more spohisticated understanding of patent law and greater legal resources, not innovation.

    Patent term is 20 years from date an application for patent is filed, not date of grant.  The actual term is not far different than the original 17 years from grant, and the filing date start point prevents inventors/lawyers from lengthening the term by continuing applications adressing the same inventive concept as was common prior to this change.

    I cannot google a single analysis that (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:47:16 PM EST
    supports the change from "first to invent" to "first to file."

    First to Win (none / 0) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:33:59 PM EST
    Here.  The actual patent in question was for one way transmission which was called telephoney I believe, later Bell bought Edison's patent for two way communication that became the phone.

    Never mind that Gray's design was better, Bell got to the store first.  So did granting the patent to Bell result in better innovation ?  

    This is a pretty famous story for you to have issues with finding it.

    I didn't read the link, just posted it.  It's for some legal website and thought they might have some sort of comments.

    Google 'Race to patent the telephone'.

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    Ever since I became aware of you last week (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:39:06 PM EST
    I have realized that 9 out of 10 of your posts reflect, at best, a lack of reading comprehension of the post you are responding to, and at worst a obstinate ignorance of the topic at hand, this latest post of yours being a perfect example...

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    Suck It (none / 0) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:25:14 AM EST
    This is probably your tenth post of this nature, yet never do you support you claim.  Please stop with your personal opinion posts.

    As mentioned I didn't read the post, you are the one that couldn't Google it, so I grabbed the first legitimate link and pasted.

    As mention above by the author, the story is out there.  I could list legitimate sites that have the story wrong, but it was a quick link from the top of my head.  Had I know a fairly well known story wasn't fact, I would not have posted it.

    I have been here for years, but for some reason you have decided to bother me as of recent, please stop.  If you have something to add beyond your opinion of me, fine, but these post dedicated to expressing your opinion of me personally are not welcome.  

    Please stop being an ahole.

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    This is sad. (none / 0) (#44)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 10:47:53 AM EST
    Dude. My original comment had nothing to do with your post.

    That comment wasn't directed to you, it wasn't responding to anything you claimed, it has nothing to do with you.

    I have no idea why you responded to it as though it was in response to your post and/or that it contradicted your post.

    Reading really is fundamental.

    Go bother someone else.

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    Frightening as one of the few things (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 05:44:45 PM EST
    remaining that will eventually enable us to fix our broken economy and our broken employment numbers is innovation.  If the greed is good crowd gets this done too, it only leads to more people suffering so that the rich can get richer.  Sad too, this castrates one of the things that I thought was uniquely part of the American spirit and drive and led us to being the country that we used to be.  That country with the dreams that could possibly come true for so many.  That country that had a good standard of living for the majority.  These recent years are like walking down the road trying to get to 2nd world country status.

    For more information on the problems of this bill (none / 0) (#21)
    by GaryLauder on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:11:09 PM EST
    The writer is correct that this would be a terrible bill.

    I have collected the best information on the subject of the America Invents Act (H.R. 1249)/formerly known as the Patent Reform Act of 2011 at: http://www.lauderpartners.com/PatentReform

    Also, don't bother contacting members of the House at this point.  Senators are the only ones that matter now.  It comes to the Senate floor on 9/6/11.  Another resource: http://www.reformaia.org/call

    -Gary

    Didn't the Senate already pass (none / 0) (#23)
    by waldenpond on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:23:28 PM EST
    I have read several articles that state the Senate passed this in March.

    The House is supposed to be the tougher sell because teabaggers believe more strongly in individual rights.  We'll see.

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    Don't know about the Senate (none / 0) (#25)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:29:18 PM EST
    but I did check the House vote to see how my Rep voted (nay!)

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    From the author (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:10:39 PM EST
    The possibility of a bill going to conference means both houses remain relevant

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    wow. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:08:48 PM EST
    Who holds the patent on barf bags. I need one after reading this...

    Wait, wait! I thought that patent reform... (none / 0) (#24)
    by lambert on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:58:39 PM EST
    ... was really a jobs bill?

    Or did those loathesome shills in the West Wing drop that talking point?

    That was then (none / 0) (#27)
    by waldenpond on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:41:55 PM EST
    It was one of three pillars... an ee payroll tax cut (hit SS), tax cuts for business (hoard more wealth) and patent reform (concentrate power with those most able to hire attorneys to file patents quickly and repeatedly).

    but that was then... it has since been announced that the new job plan will be ... ba-da-bum... coming in Sept!

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    ahh yes (none / 0) (#42)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:37:40 AM EST
    the president's secret plan to save the economy.

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    I don't have time to cover everything. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:13:10 AM EST
    Some things in the new law are needed.  Some things are wrong.

    1.  The idea that patents are for the purpose of informing the competition is foolish.  
    So yes you should be able to keep secrets.
    We now have various State Secrecy laws for various processes and the result is that patents sometimes aren't taken out so disclosure doesn't take place.

    2.  Many times the man who  invented a device doesn't get the patent because he was too busy making the device or manufacturing it.  This happened with some TI integrated circuits.
    There has long been a need to have to demonstrate the ability to make something that works rather than just talk about it or make a part of it.  Nowadays there are "patent foundries," companies that just sit around and taking information that is available (say disclosed patents) use it to formulate "possibilities" of designs that are never made and this with no other purpose than to later challenge a company that did do something that seems to be similar in idea to the one that  never worked, that never could work.  Just basically a company that sues other companies.

    1.  And the number of inventions would go way down if a person didn't have a reasonable expectation of reaping some benefit.

    2.  The number of new medicines would drop like a rock into a hole.  It costs too much to invent something that anyone can reverse engineer legally and make. Heck even though it is against the law, things are reverse engineered,

    3.  And finally, the Russians used to buy 2 copies of every patent that was approved by the USA.  China probably gets at least as many.

    I also think that the life of patents should be extended.  We have actually extended the copyrights/patents on Mickey Mouse cartoons to something like 125 years but on other more concrete inventions there are severe limits which are much shorter.

    And for a further bit of trivia, the US owns every (US) patent pertinent to the Atomic Bomb by law.

    And a disclosure, I have 11 patents that are unassigned, and 16 that are assigned.

    A number of inaccuracies in your post (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by BobTinKY on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:26:12 AM EST
    1.  Patents are most certainly for the purpose of disclosing one's invention to the public, including potential competitors.  That is the trade off in return for an exclusive monopoly of limited duration.

    If you want to keep your invention secret there are trade secret laws that provide for that protection provided one works to maintain the secret.  These laws provide potentially longer term protection but do not insure exclusivity and trade secrets can be easily lost.  It's the inventor's or owner's choice which avenue of protection to choose.

    1. An inventor who has made & publicly disclosed or sold a device has up to one year to file a patent.  The diarist claims that that will change with the new reform.  That is an aspect of the reform with which I was not familiar and one which I find disturbing.

    2.  While inventors sometimes do not actually reduce their inventions to workng prototypes or products, they must disclose in their application how it works in a manner sufficient to enable one of resonable skill in the technological area to construct or practic the invention.  That is one requirement to obtaining a patent.

    3.  If anything the copyright terms are too long, not the patent terms too short.  Inventors are provided with an exlcusive monopoly for nearly a generation from their filing date. That has proven sufficient over the last two centuries. In today's world of accelerating technological change a longer patent term is not relevant and hitory has shown it is unnecessary to prompt innovation.  Why should the public be asked to give up even more in return for a sanctioned monopoly?

    As an aside, whenever a right winger lauds the miracle of the free market and how markets should be allowed to work, ask him/her why then the COnstitution provides for copyright and patent protection? The state's granting of exclusive monopolies is the furthest thing from a free market.  By providing for the protection of intellectual property in the Constitution the framers obviously knew of the limitations or failures of the free market theory in practice.  

    I would argue the sponsors of the Sherman, Clayton and other anti-trust laws knew the same thing.  Too many judges today play courthouse economist & substitute their "expertise" for the collective experience that led to enactment of such legislation.

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    On your number 1. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:58:30 PM EST
    I am not saying that is not what is set up.
    What I am saying is that it is foolish.

    If I can make device that does something new, and demonstrate this device and sell this device which will of course allow it to be reverse engineered (in time) then why should I have to give all the nuances of it's workings and manufacture.

    If I can make a device that I use in my factory to do something new that helps my manufacturing, then why should I have to disclose that device or how it works publicly.  There should be a method to conceal the workings of that device.
    Now yes someone else might develop it and I wouldn't know it, but if I suspect theft of the idea then I should be able to defend it.
    If I must publish it then I know it will be stolen.

    The patent system is a license to steal for some countries.

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    From the author (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 08:30:58 PM EST
    The purpose of the patent system is to encourage innovation.  Under our present system, it is a deal an inventor makes with the public:  the inventor will tell us about his invention and the best mode of making it.  We, the American public, will give the inventor, as the Constitution says, "a limited period of time" to have exclusive rights to commercialize the invention.  When the time ends, we get the benefit of the invention free of any obligation.

    Anyone can maintain a method of manufacture as a trade secret.  A manufacturer is not required to secure a patent. But a manufacturer should not have it both ways.  The proposed system is unfair: it allows manufacturers to have the benefit of a trade secret and then spring its exclusive rights way down the road.

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    Again, (none / 0) (#53)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 11:39:49 PM EST
    I will try again.

    The patent law needs changing.  I don't agree with everything that is supposed to be done, but the old law has led to a morass.  

    Several things are wrong now.  One is the idea that all must be explained at the onset of the patent.  I don't think it is necessary or good for the inventor to have to explain his reasoning beyond a demonstration that the patent works.  A patent should NOT HAVE TO BE an education system for competitors.
    (I am holding back on two right now, trying to figure out how to protect ideas that are useful for further innovation.)

    By the way, do you realize that Galileo invented calculus and used it to prove many theorems and investigate many ideas.  After he had developed his ideas with calculus he then used the math of the day to prove or provide the background for his theories.  He hid his calculus tool so he could keep the advantage on his competitors.  (I don't claim to be Galileo but I have a few tricks like he did.)

    I think that one thing that really needs to be done is to have a standard, a system to settle patent disputes quickly without the usual long legal delays so that companies can move quickly.
    By that I mean that there should be tables that would allow a quick and fair assessment as to how much company A need pay company B for a patent so company A can move along with it's development and sales of its device.
    For example right now Apple is stopping Samsung from selling a tablet in some European countries on this kind of technology.  Sure make Samsung pay up a fair amount, but extortion is wrong.


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    Sounds like you favor the trade secret approach (none / 0) (#55)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 07:01:51 AM EST
    which is fine, but it is separate & distinct from patent protection.  You should have to educate your competitors & the entire public if you expect the government to grant you an exclusive monopoly.  That is the deal you make with the public and it is a pretty good one for both parties.  

    Patent valuation does not lend itself to the tables you describe.  The overwhlemingly majority of patents are not worth the price of having obtained patent protection.  But one seldom can tell in advance, & every inventor is convinced he has the next light bulb. Like any other asset, the value of a given patent is the present value of future revenue flows, both the owner's and that of any infringers'.  That differs significantly from patent to patent.

    Galileo did not invent calculus, Newton and Leibniz did at about the same time.  Mathematical truths are not patentable subject matter.  

    All schemes to speed up litigation suffer from one inherent weakness, they all reflect a willingness to sacrifice justice, or the potential for obtaining it, for convenience & efficiency.  

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    Bob (none / 0) (#62)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 12:05:17 PM EST
    you are right about developing the math in general. That was left to others.

    But Galileo used it earlier to develop his celestial, orbital mechanics, etc.  He just didn't publicize it because it would take away an advantage he possessed and that he used in other endeavors like optics, etc.  Still in some papers the margins, show indications.

    I remember that a noted scientist of the time was at Galileo's home or office and questioned Galileo on whether a statement Galileo had made indicated some point about a type of orbit.  Galileo said "yes," and the man asked if he had the proof  "the math" handy, and Galileo hesitated and looked about briefly and said that he would find it later and send it to his friend.

    Galileo supposedly knew exactly where the proof was but it was in a calculus form and so after his friend left, he redid the proof using the common modeling and geometrical tools of the day.

    As for my wishes in the patent and secrets world, I recognize that I am just a bit of flotsam tossing to and fro in the surging billows of the politics of Lawyer, University, Corporate and Government types, and my needs and desires will not gain much attention.

    Still I can complain occasionally and always try to utilize such levers that I can reach and manipulate to legally gain my own ends.

    What the heck did I just say?

    Well, I too have used secondary methods to explain certain points or to indicate certain routes to desired and required ends.  Then sometimes I have people come to me later and say "hey, I found a simpler and more direct method" and when I smile at them, certain ones, the brighter or more suspicious, "know."

    I don't attempt to teach my competitors or the world, or seek glory with papers. I am not an academician.  

    This is one of my favorite Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

     "A wise man can hear profit in the wind."

    A good sailor watches and listens to the wind as well.  As a popular song says, "The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound"

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    Had you (none / 0) (#39)
    by dead dancer on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:13:53 AM EST
    posted that URL as a link, I would have dropped in!

    I'm not a big fan of software (none / 0) (#46)
    by Makarov on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 02:32:55 PM EST
    or "business process" patents. Software is, and should be, copyright-able, but I have a big problem with issuing patents for underlying software "inventions".

    The public radio show This American Life had a piece on this (might have been a rebroadcast of older show) and "patent trolls". It works like this:

    1. Take a process (backing up data) which is commonplace in the computer/software industry
    2. Add the words "over the internet" to it
    3. File patent application
    4. Sell patent rights to a law firm/shell company
    5. Law firm sues everyone under the sun for violating the patent

    The example in the story was a patent, filed in '98 or '99, for backing up computer data over the internet. The reason I think this type of patent is bullshit is I used software that did exactly that back in 1995. IBM had a software client that allowed you to back up a PC to an account on a mainframe. I installed this software on dozens of  personal computers and trained people how to use it.

    3-4 years later, someone claims to have "invented" the idea for it.

    The same thing is going on for business, manufacturing, and financial processes.  Concepts in practice for years, decades, and longer have been "patented". I wouldn't be surprised if 95%+ of patent filings are in these areas and, thus, complete bullshit.

    From the author (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:12:40 PM EST
    It is an error to blame the patent system for what one may regard as a "bad" patent.  That is the legal equivalent of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    The specific example you provide would not result in an enforceable patent.  There reason for that is the current statute requires that a patent is not enforceable  if the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented  or described in a printed publication anywhere in the world prior to the invention set out in the issued patent.

    The history of the patent system is replete with industries that cry foul and shed crockadile tears when someone comes up with a break through invention.  This is what happened with Edison's electric light and Seldes internal combustion engine and other great inventions.  The established industry cries that this is unfair.  What they really mean is that a competitor is about to provide an improvement that they can't deliver.  Well, that's the patent system dies and why we  need it.  The proposed system wants to encase the current corporations in amber, to petrify the current marketplace, and to deny us innovations, innovations that have been shown to create new products, new jobs and new small business.

     

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    Here's a great example (none / 0) (#63)
    by Makarov on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 12:25:11 PM EST
    of a patent troll company aka law firm:

    http://acaciatechnologies.com/patentportfolio.htm

    Just one of the ridiculous patents:

    VEHICLE MAINTENANCE
    This patented technology generally relates to vehicle maintenance alerts. This technology may be used to alert a driver that an oil change or other vehicle maintenance should be performed.

    Expanding on the idiot light and "check engine" light function, present in vehicles 45 years ago, is an "invention"?

    How about:

    EMBEDDED BROADCAST DATA
    This patented technology generally relates to embedding auxiliary display data in a TV broadcast signal. It enables the transmission of data using the RF carrier signal for subsequent display on a television. This technology may be used in commercial TV systems where enhanced display data is desired without having to encode it as part of the video stream.

    As described, this concept dates to at least as early as the 1970s, possibly much, much earlier. Closed Captioning began in 1972, with inclusion in regular broadcasts back in 1980. Hell, general PAL and NTSC analog TV signals have the audio and color information as separate RF carriers.

    If that isn't ridiculous enough, here's a patent for a docking station:

    LAPTOP CONNECTIVITY
    This patented technology is used to connect a laptop or other portable computer to multiple external devices such as a keyboard, monitor, printer, or mouse, through a single connector from the laptop to the docking station. The use of a single connector for multiple devices makes it easier to remove the laptop from the devices when it is used remotely, and to reconnect the laptop to the devices when it is returned to the docking station.

    Docking stations have been around since the early 1990s, and I'm sure someone hacked one together in a garage shop or at Xerox PARC or IBM well before then.

    Yeah, there are sound legal defenses to unenforceable patents. The problem for real companies that design and manufacture things is they have to spend $ to defense against these suits.

    Maybe you're right, though, and the problem isn't the patent office. Maybe the problem is the judges and bar associations that take no action against the lawyers and firms who file frivolous suits without repercussion.

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    Frivolous suits???!?!!!!???? (none / 0) (#64)
    by BobTinKY on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 07:18:12 AM EST
    Frivolous suits get dismissed for failing to state a cause of action on which relief can be granted.  

    Anything that does not get dismissed is by deinfition not frivolous.

    Watch the HBO documentary "Hot Coffee."

    Jeez, I hate that term and all the inequitable tort "reform" that that particularly effective peice of propoganda has enabled.  The only reform has been to the courthouse door, it increasingly only opens now upon display of your corporate badge.

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    Software is not special (none / 0) (#51)
    by k2readone on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 10:52:56 PM EST
    The issues you raise are not special issues related to software patents, they are issues every category of patents and business have to deal with. Whether something is a new invention is a question of examination that all patent applications have to pass.

    Also, while patents are presumed valid, any defendant or person, either through reexamination or litigation, can challenge the validity of a patent. And I can guarantee you, any such patent that took an old idea and only added "over the internet" to it would never survive such a challenge under today's law.  In addition, the examination quality for software patents has greatly improved since the USPTO has updated the searching capabilities for examiners; but they do sometimes make mistakes and the system is currently built to have remedies for those mistakes. Most of the BS software patents that are out there, yes there are some, are quite old. Though, the biggest issues with patent trolls are not overly broad patents on old technology, they are intentional misconstruing of patents and a lack of specificity in the pleadings needed to file a patent infringement claim.

    Further, I have never heard any convincing argument about why software inventions should be granted special non-patentable status as compared to any other technology.  Software is functional technology that cannot exist without at least a memory and is not used without some type of execution circuit, such as logic or a processor.  Just because one cannot touch the software itself does not make it any less patentable. The functions and implementations are still invented and created be someone, without the hard work of the software inventor, such software would not exist.


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    Thought about this today (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 10:49:26 PM EST
    During those times when we all might try to think about something else.  Seems that the already rich have found one more way to attempt to create protected markets for themselves, and discourage competition some more....again

    There's an inherent tension between patents & (none / 0) (#57)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 07:27:33 AM EST
    antitrust.

    Generally,  antitrust laws prohibit one from obtaining and/or maintaining a monopoly by means other than a superior product, business acumen, or historic accident.  I think patents might sort of be viewed as fitting into the superior product category but that is not necessary, patents are sanctioned monopolies.  

    I suspect a first to file system will produce litigation over the means by which the party that was first to file came into possession of the inventive disclosure, and whether that means was something other than that filing party's superior product, business acumen, or historic accident.

    The more I think about it the more problems I see with a first to file system. A lot of the reasons behind recent patent law changes has to do with harmonizing US patent law with the laws of other nations to conform to trade agreements.  As one who thinks the US has been and remains the leader in innovation (though we unfortunately all too often export the fruits of that innovation, namely jobs), I have to question the wisdom of conforming our patent laws to that of other countries' rather than the other way around.

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    It is a complex system (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 09:20:37 AM EST
    Much more complex than one day of reading is going to allow me to grasp.  I do wonder though if nothing was broken, why must something be fixed?

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    Changed, not fixed (none / 0) (#61)
    by BobTinKY on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 09:56:20 AM EST
    why indeed.

    Some of it is to make US Patent laws consistent with those around the world pursuant to world trade agreements.  Some is purportedly to lessen litigation, discourage companies who just buy IP in order to sue (though not clear to me how that is prevented).

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    Second to invent. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Stuart21 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 01:13:30 AM EST
    About to lose some major inventions (circa 1982, 1995, 2010) if 'second to invent' passes.

    I'm not understanding you well (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 09:21:33 AM EST
    and I want to.  Can you elaborate?

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