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Obama's Uncle Arrested for DUI , Held on Immigration Detainer

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Posted on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 05:55:51 PM EST
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Too funny. The half-brother of President Obama's father has been in jail for a week on DUI charges. Authorities aren't sure if he is in the country legally.

Police said that after being booked at the police station, Obama was asked whether he wanted to make a telephone call to arrange for bail. "I think I will call the White House," he stated, according to a police report filed in Framingham District Court.

Police said Obama, who is originally from Kenya and is the half-brother of the president's late father, pleaded not guilty Friday and is being held without bail on a detainer from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In a court document, ICE said Onyango Obama had an earlier deportation or removal order.

Will Obama help him or hang him out to dry? I'd bet the latter. He does have a lawyer at least -- Cleveland immigration attorney Margaret Wong.

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    Oy (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:06:45 PM EST


    BTW, I think this reflects on Obama not at all (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:28:37 PM EST
    God help me if I'm ever held to account for my family.

    Parent
    Not really his family (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 02:39:10 AM EST
    in any meaningful sense of the word.  It's just somebody he's related to genetically.  He's always kept the whole crowd at more than arm's length.

    Parent
    Yeh, the sequel (none / 0) (#10)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:39:04 PM EST
    to Dreams of My Father could be, with that aunt as well, Nightmares of My Father's Family.  A book that could be written by many.

    That is, unless nephew misuses his position to intervene on nightmare uncle's behalf.  I doubt it.

    I am bound to hear from some conservative relative of mine, though, that this is why Obama loosened deportation rules just days ago.  Maybe his uncle was celebrating that to have gotten so drunk as to be almost double the limit?

    Parent

    Evidently Obama referenced his (none / 0) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 09:54:08 PM EST
    uncle in his book Dreams of My Father.

    According to the Times of London, the President referenced Onyango Obama in his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father, describing him as "the uncle who had left for America 25 years ago and had never come back". TPM


    Parent
    "hang to dry"? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by diogenes on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 10:17:05 PM EST
    Does a criminal justice blog regard a top elected official's using pull to aid a family member in legal trouble as being a virtue?
    Maybe Obama's friend Deval Patrick could just pardon the relative, for that matter.

    Why is this (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kmblue on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 05:14:16 AM EST
    "too funny"?

    Given that Obama probably has more of (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 07:11:26 AM EST
    a relationship with his Secret Service detail than he does with this man, and that the whole thing is right up Fox News' alley, I'm not sure Obama's spent ten minutes weighing the pros and cons of even making a teachable moment out of it; there's just no political upside for him at all, and we all know that the politics is all that ever matters.

    Obama's checking to see ... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 05:59:58 PM EST
    how much room there is under the bus.  He's gonna need a lot of space down there with an election coming up.

    Not such a good day to be related to (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:03:59 PM EST
    the President of the United States.  Perhaps it could be better if he were related to some lesser being.

    Parent
    I think (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Edger on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:05:11 PM EST
    they've had the tires removed, and installed tracks down there. With an election coming up...

    Parent
    Maybe a bus ... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Yman on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:10:10 PM EST
    ... with some serious ground clearance.

    Parent
    Sad, I hope not (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:02:40 PM EST
    Not that I'm all about it being okay for people to drive drunk.  People screw up though.  I have often been shocked when I have discovered who I know who has a past DUI.  Not me thank God, but if I ever screwed up I'd hope someone/anyone would do what they could for me.

    On a brighter note, Chief U.S. District Judge Sharon Lovelace Blackburn has blocked that new heinous disgusting Alabama immigration law.

    Well said... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 07:13:51 PM EST
    sh*t I couldn't hold a bbq if I excluded those with Dee-Wees on their record...good people who made a mistake(s).  No first offender should be treated too harshly, and threat of deportation is harsh.

    Parent
    Yeah, well, do you (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 02:37:42 AM EST
    have any idea how many times somebody has to drive drunk before they get caught?  99.9 percent of the time, there's no cop around.

    Parent
    May well be... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:42:32 PM EST
    but we cannot assume every first offender is a habitual offender...in the eyes of the law it must be assumed it is the first offense, and we should be less draconian with first offenders who may lack the precious papers.

    Parent
    But we can assume (none / 0) (#45)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 01:09:14 PM EST
    Every drunk driver poses a risk to other people on the road.

    Parent
    While I would agree (none / 0) (#47)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 01:31:57 PM EST
    I submit that a drivers using cell phones cause pose a significantly greater danger than drunk drivers.  How many crazy (or just plain bad) drivers have you seen and then discovered they were on the phone?  

    I drive to work. I have to honestly say that at least 3 times a week that I can categorically identify a driver that is patently dangerous due to cell phone.  And these are the obvious ones.  

    In my ::ahem:: years of driving there have been maybe a dozen obviously dangerous drivers who were most likely drunk.

    Also a tired driver is a patently dangerous driver (as I know to great personal pain).  So is a sick driver.

    If I let myself think about all the types of impaired drivers there are out there I might never again get behind the wheel. But the sanctimony when people talk about drivers impaired to some degree (greater or lesser) by alcohol while ignoring the others, I find really out of proportion.

    Parent

    Yes, that is true (none / 0) (#48)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 02:09:32 PM EST
    Which is why in many communities, it is also illegal to drive while talking or texting on the phone or while distracted.

    But the argument that, "Well, X is just as bad or worse than Y" does not mean that Y should not be a punishable act. It's a silly argument.

    And yes, being tired or sick and getting behind the wheel is also bad.  But there is no justifiable reason for someone who is impaired to get behind the wheel of a car (unless the extremely rare situation happens that the impaired person is in a remote area and they need to get an unconscious person to a hospital.  I dare you to find me even a few situations where this happens).

    I would also submit that of the bad drivers you've seen, many more than you'd like to think were drunk or chemically impaired. For example, while alcohol-impaired accidents have decreased with stricter enforcement over the years, alcohol is still the leading contributor to fatal crashes and 94% of drivers involved in a fatal alcohol-impaired accident in 2009 had no prior DWI.

    Just something to think about.

    Parent

    That isn't exactly what I'm saying (none / 0) (#57)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:40:44 PM EST
    What I'm saying is that people get all sanctimonious about driving while alcohol-impaired.  There is an additional stigma attached to that impairment as opposed to other sorts of impairment that I think is completely unjustified.

    As for this:

    94% of drivers involved in a fatal alcohol-impaired accident in 2009 had no prior DWI.

    I'm fairly certain that my mother had never fallen asleep behind the wheel before either.

    Parent
    And this is just your BELIEF (none / 0) (#58)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:43:12 PM EST
    I would also submit that of the bad drivers you've seen, many more than you'd like to think were drunk or chemically impaired.

    Because there is no chemical test that can prove distraction or fatigue were the primary cause.

    Parent

    True (none / 0) (#60)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:48:49 PM EST
    But it's your belief that of the bad drivers you've seen, maybe a dozen were drunk or impaired.

    The point is - it SHOULD be more of a stigma to be drunk and driving because there is absolutely no reason to do it - and it's something that starts before you get behind the wheel. And because the largetst percentage of fatalities on the road still involve alcohol, it should be stigmatized more. And that they CAN prove.

    And I would have no problem with it being more of a stigma, or to have harsher punishments to talk on the phone or text while driving.

    Parent

    No, it SHOULDN'T be more of a stigma (none / 0) (#61)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:54:57 PM EST
    Not in this day and ange when chemical use is advocated in television commercials.  I know that as much as we agree on some things, you are, from where I sit, a sort of a reflexive law'n'order sort and I think that your attitudes are pretty much a holdover from the puritan ethos.  

    So I'm pretty sure we won't convince each other one way or the other. :)

    Have a nice evening.

    Parent

    As someone who has seen the results of a (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 04:56:13 PM EST
    a drunk driver up close and personal I find your unwillingness to accept that we are all responsible for our actions fascinating.

    Parent
    How you get that from (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by sj on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 12:23:25 AM EST
    what I said is what I find fascinating.  You write plenty, but your reading comprehension is a problem.

    Parent
    I don't consider it (none / 0) (#70)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 01:31:08 PM EST
    A "Puritan Ethos" to discourage drunks to not drive when I have a greater chance (still) of being maimed or killed by them on the road because of their selfishness and lack of control and judgment. If they can't get the message not to do it with education, cajoling, reminders, help and assistance to find alternatives to getting home, then yes - throw the book at them.  YMMV.

    Parent
    Come on kdog (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 09:28:53 AM EST
    The guy is in the country illegally. He compounds that with another offense.

    And who cares who his nephew is?? Put him on a plane!

    Parent

    I don't care who his nephew is... (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:43:38 PM EST
    sh*t I'd rather put his nephew on a plane, he does more harm...but that would make me the tyrannical a-hole.  Must be better! :)

    Parent
    The next question is (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:46:47 PM EST
    We now know that he had Social Security number, not a fake one, but a real one.

    Wonder how he got that?

    I also wonder what his work history is.

    Parent

    Don't see why that's any of your business (none / 0) (#41)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:52:51 PM EST
    Or mine.  

    But in any case, the US wasn't always the police state toward non-citizens that it now is.  He's been here for a long timeand it used to be a pretty simple process to get a SSN.

    Parent

    So let me understand (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 02:45:26 PM EST
    A person who is illegally in the country has a social security number.

    And you don't think that is any of our business.

    You cannot be serious.

    Parent

    Reading comprehension (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CST on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:21:37 PM EST
    "Authorities aren't sure if he is in the country legally."

    I like that you just assume he is here illegally.  For all we know, he could be here perfectly legally.

    Unless there is some update I missed.  Seems rather presumptious.

    He's been here for years, it's quite possible there is absolutely nothing wrong with his legal "status".

    Parent

    Let me guess (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 04:50:45 PM EST
    Police said Obama, who's originally from Kenya and is the half-brother of the president's late father, pleaded not guilty Friday and was being held without bail on a detainer from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In a court document, ICE said he had an earlier deportation or removal order.

    They were going to deport a US citizens.

    Wow. The things I learn.

    Parent

    so (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 04:56:18 PM EST
    you can't be here legally if you're not a citizen?

    Who knew.

    You can be here legally as an immigrant and obtain a social security card.  You can also be here legally as an immigrant and have your legal status called into question at some point.  And then legally have all that resolved.

    Parent

    In case you missed this: (none / 0) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 10:22:36 PM EST

    Police said Obama, who's originally from Kenya and is the half-brother of the president's late father, pleaded not guilty Friday and was being held without bail on a detainer from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In a court document, ICE said he had an earlier deportation or removal order.


    Parent
    Yes (none / 0) (#59)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:44:50 PM EST
    It is absolutely none of YOUR business.  Just as it is none of YOUR business whether or not my brand new nephew has an SSN.

    It is none. of. YOUR. business.  

    Parent

    Of course it is my business (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 04:52:02 PM EST
    A person who is illegally in the country has a social security number.

    And you don't think that is any of our business.

    Wow.

    Parent

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by sj on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 12:26:11 AM EST
    You think everything is your business.  I'm glad you're not my neighbor.

    Wow.

    Parent

    He's already shown no hesitancy (none / 0) (#6)
    by scribe on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:07:07 PM EST
    in hanging his own base out to dry, so why his family.

    It's not like his uncle can do anything for him (unlike his base), so he has even less incentive to not hang him out to dry.

    Help him? Like how? (none / 0) (#9)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:38:05 PM EST
    Excuse me but I don't think the pres should interfere in law enforcement, especially not with relatives.

    And pass the Billy Beer.

    yes, pass the Billy Beer (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 07:19:17 PM EST
    and the Roger Clinton CD, Nothing Good Comes Easy

    Parent
    Good mood setting (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 07:47:10 AM EST
    For when you're with Neil Bush at a hotel in Thailand

    Parent
    And some coke from Arkansas? (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 09:31:08 AM EST


    Parent
    You (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 09:34:28 AM EST
    believe that myth? You're responding to an actual news story with a myth. Okay. LOL.

    Parent
    Yeah, silly old me (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:24:32 PM EST
    I mean we all know the coke was brought in by aliens from outer space.

    lol

    Parent

    If you're (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:10:01 PM EST
    referring to the Mena Aiport myth there actually was a congressional investigation by your fellow travelers who found no basis in truth to it but for some reasons unknown to me conservatives love to cling to rumors and myths even when there aren't facts to back them up.

    Parent
    I don't think he even knows ... (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:20:54 PM EST
    ... which myth he's referring to.

    After a while, they have trouble keeping them all straight.

    Parent

    Can't you read?? (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 04:58:32 PM EST
    It was brought in on a space ship by aliens.

    Good grief.

    lol.

    Parent

    Is this a Mena reference? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 01:27:10 PM EST
    You can never tell with your, because your accusations are often so vague and evidence-free ... almost as though it's intentional.

    Do try to be more specific in the future, if for no other reason than to make it easier for people to laugh at you.

    Parent

    Yeah, they brought the coke in (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 02:51:28 PM EST
    on the same ship they brought you in on.

    LOL

    Thanks for dropping by, dear Shadow.

    Parent

    oy (none / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:55:09 PM EST
    The things some people think are clever.  

    No offense.

    Parent

    We apparently have come a long (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 07:08:42 PM EST
    way on drunk driving.  The past weekend we watched an old Alfred Hitchcock movie,  Notorious (1946)  starring Cary Grant, Ingrid Bergman and Claude Rains.   in the developing plot of post-war Nazi spy chasing, a drunken Alicia (Bergman) meets government agent Devlin (Cary Grant) at a "party".  One thing leads to another, and Alicia insists on taking Devlin for a late evening ride in a convertible hitting 65 mph on the treacherous roadway. (Of course, Alicia's hair became windblown, but Dev's Brilliantine never allowed a hair to be out of place).  Even though it was just an old movie, the scene was jarring and was presented without a trace of social condemnation--a cop did stop them for speeding, but they were let go, thanks to Devlin's secret badge.

    Check out the opening scenes (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 09:46:30 AM EST
    of North by Northwest.

    Cary Grant is forced to down a fifth by the bad guys and then drives.....It is all done very slapstick.

    Even the scene with the Judge where Cary Grant's mother bails him out.....Very funny.....

    Or John Wayne in McLintock!  Gets hammered and can't walk up the stairs....Slapstick.....

    Don't see that in movies anymore....

    Parent

    We also don't see (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 10:09:09 AM EST
    Husbands (teasingly or not) threaten their wives with abuse, ala Jackie Gleason ("Straight to the moon, Alice") and call it comedy.

    Parent
    Going back to McLintock! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 10:32:20 AM EST
    John Wayne approves of his daughter being spanked with a fire tool by her suitor for being uppity.

    Mr. Birnbaum, the wise store keeper, advises Wayne that he has to "stop raising his voice and start raising his hand" in dealing with spirited Maureen O'Hara......Who btw was angry with Wayne for cohorting with ladies of the evening...imagine that...

    Wayne in the final scenes chases O'Hara through town in her underwear.   She asks for help from the townspeople who laugh at her.  Wayne catches her and spanks her with the firetool in front of the whole town with everyone laughing. O'Hara is tamed.  Wayne and O'Hara go home happy and make love.....

    The greatest change in society over the years has been women's rights.......I think this the root cause of the right wing revolt against modernity....

    This anger against modernity now dresses up as anger against government and the so-called concern over spending.....But they really truly want government to fail...because it (in thier view) brought about or supports the social change they despise.  

    Parent

    I forgot (none / 0) (#29)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 10:41:11 AM EST
    The marital rape scene in "Gone With the Wind" (that was after Rhett spanked Scarlett).

    The greatest change in society over the years has been women's rights.......I think this the root cause of the right wing revolt against modernity....

    Oddly, it is the right wing who lately is putting up more and more female candidates for higher offices....

    Parent

    It shows how sweeping the change (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 11:02:47 AM EST
    No one now gives a second thought about a woman being a leader.

    Yet, the social conservatives still chafe under the changes going back to the 60s.....Perhaps conservatives are not conscious of women's rights as the culprit, but it imo really does go back to that in many instances....

    Bachmann is fascinating.  One of my only two front page diaries at Big Orange was about her when she first ran for office.  Got a real live death threat (my one and only) from one of her fans.  When first running for Congress, she gave political speeches in church on stage.  God wanted her to run.

    Bachmann is s*xually repressed imo.  She was strutting on stage at church saying "I'm hot." The idea is she was "hot" in her commitment to God--a take on not being lukewarm.  And, the creepy way she had her hands all over George Bush at the State of the Union.  And, sorry but her husband championing pray-away-the-gay.  She admitted during her "I'm hot" strutting on stage at church that she was at first not attracted to her husband but that the Lord touched her heart etc.....

    She sublimates all this into poltical ambition.....and being an assertive woman leader....She subverts the whole social system she purports to support....

    This may seem not really appropriate political commentary but it is the reality behind the slogans...

    Too many Progressives and Liberals still think this is a straight up fight over the stated ideas....Perry's rise should clue them in.....

    For socially conservative Republicans (and they are all social conservatives now), it is never about the economy, stupid.  A bad economy is just a politcal gift to be exploited....

     

    Parent

    Look, it seems fairly obvious that (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    the prime reason she's against gay marriage is because she's in one.  Only she's not gay.

    So come out and say it.

    Parent

    And Rice wasn't NSA (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:35:20 PM EST
    and Palin wasn't governor and didn't run for VP...

    Look, ALL of the examples show wrong acts by today's standards. So was the Aztecs sacrificing virgins....

    Guess the Spanish who stopped it were liberals....

    Parent

    Not following this (none / 0) (#34)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:39:04 PM EST


    Parent
    The point is that women's rights is not (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:42:25 PM EST
    the exclusive province of Democrats.

    But we've wandered way of topic. I'll quit

    Parent

    The Aztecs (none / 0) (#44)
    by sj on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 01:05:38 PM EST
    pretty much sacrificed anybody.  And, yeah.  Those conquistedores were liberal.

    ::eyes rolling::
    --------------------
    I totally accept and agree that it is absolutely none of my business, but I don't understand why you keep writing here.  You write nonsense as if it were a "gotcha" with actual logic to it, and then often continue to justify the rhetorical leap in spite of being called on it consistently.  

    Frankly, I don't much care except that those conversations mean a lot of extra scrolling while I try to determine what to skip.  Same as ABG's comments, actually.

    Parent

    As compared to the Aztecs (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 02:49:15 PM EST
    they were very liberal.

    Why do you keep writing here??

    My advice to you is to read what you like.

    That's what I do.

    Parent

    I actually know a little about the Conquistadores (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:06:17 PM EST
    Especially Pedro de Alvarado, who "conqured" Guatemala.

    The "Liberal" was not Hernan Cortes or his Lieutenant Alvarado, but rather Fra Bartolome de Las Casas.  He fought against the killing by the Conquistadores.

    He was able to gain the friendship of the K'ekchi' Maya, whom Alvardo could not militarily defeat.  The province where the majority of today's K'ekchi' live is called Alta Vera Paz (the Land of True Peace) because Las Casas "pacified" the K'ekchi' through friendship.....

    There is anecdotal evidence, (maybe true, maybe not),  that the Mayan guerillas would not talk under torture during the Guatemalan Civil War.... I have done a fair amount of research that points to Dick Cheney and his sycophants being neck deep in torture in Guatemala....
     

    Parent

    Rhett never spanked Scarlett (none / 0) (#71)
    by kmblue on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 04:08:22 AM EST
    probably wishful thinking on your part. He was drunk, they had a fight in the dining room, and he chased her out into the living room and carried her upstairs.

    Parent
    I'm gonna give you a 5 (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:30:17 PM EST
    This anger against modernity

    for the best example of psycho babble of 2011.

    lol

    Parent

    Social conservatives (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:40:07 PM EST
    argue against all kinds of things modern.....  

    Parent
    Not true (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 12:43:50 PM EST
    But we're way off topic. If you want, bring it up on the next Open thread.

    Parent
    Oops, I thought this was one.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:09:21 PM EST


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    If I were the Pres., I would (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 03:36:52 AM EST
    demand my "uncle"'s birth certificate.

    Isn't it Amazing... (none / 0) (#27)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 30, 2011 at 10:09:38 AM EST
     ...that no president has been immune from some relative getting mixed up with the police.

    God forbid he's not here legally...

    Thought his citizenship was in the news like 6 months ago, can't remember the circumstances.

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