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The agreement removes the threat of default and lowers the prospect of using the debt limit as an instrument of coercion. [. . .]

Beneath all the bluster, the prospects for compromise on broader and deeper reforms are better than they have been in years. [. . .]

The government’s ability to make smart, long-term budget choices has long been broken. This gives us a chance to fix it. [. . .]

[B]y locking in long-term savings, Congress will have more room in the fall to pass additional short-term measures to strengthen the economy — such as extending the payroll tax cut, which provides an average of a thousand dollars to the after-tax incomes of working Americans; extending unemployment benefits; and financing infrastructure investments.

Fool? Knave? Both?

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    They seem (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:10:13 AM EST
    to think that the things that HAVEN'T worked so far are all of sudden going to magically work????

    Fool and knave are nicer terms than I would use BTD.

    Affront to the Office (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by The Maven on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:25:27 AM EST
    Even Andrew ("Liquidate everything!") Mellon was arguably a less destructive Secretary of the Treasury than Geithner.  And Mellon had the good sense to resign after barely eleven months in office in the face of almost certain impeachment.  Where's the House Judiciary Committee when you need them now?

    Oops. Months, Years. (none / 0) (#16)
    by The Maven on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:43:02 AM EST
    I knew it looked funny to say eleven months when the reality was eleven years.  What I wouldn't give for a simple edit feature . . .

    God help us all if Geither's tenure begins to approach that of Mellon.

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    His spew to (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Warren Terrer on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    George Stephanopoulos the other day, as noted by digby, was even worse. He's Andrew Mellon II. Fool, knave, scoundrel, cad, you name it.

    Meanwhile, in the lighter side of the news, the Chinese bond rating agency downgraded US government debt. They claim they are just reflecting reality, while rates on 30 year bonds plummeted on the news. Reality means something totally different to bond agencies than it does to normal people.

    China's $2 Trillion Hole (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by FreakyBeaky on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:13:31 AM EST
    http://the-diplomat.com/2011/07/31/china's-2-trillion-hole/

    File under If you owe the bank $100 million, it's the bank's problem. Cross file to May you live in interesting times.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#7)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:51:35 AM EST
    the stuff digby quotes is incredible.

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    Warren (none / 0) (#18)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 11:44:16 AM EST
    Thanks for the digby link.

    I haven't been able to pick my jaw up off the desk.

    An Administration that allows a toady clerk like Geithner out in public confirms charges of gross incompetence.

    As for those trade pacts Geithner is so eager to pursue, here are some details.

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    Cal, the gobbledygook (none / 0) (#27)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 01:35:48 PM EST
    notwithstanding, the US-Colombia deal lowers Colombia's tariff on US goods to 0. Right now it's between 8-18 percent.

    Since I don't know what was even meant by the paragraph describing the agreement, I'll go back and re-examine it.

    Oh, our tariff on Colombian goods is zero.

    Beyond equalizing tariffs, I must admit to thinking the Plutos want to create a new offshoring area where shipping costs would be reduced.

    However, the Plutos don't quite know the standard of living or the system in Colombia if they think they'll just create non-union jobs down there.

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    Jeff (none / 0) (#33)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 08:21:21 PM EST
    A month or so back I read that Colombian tariffs on some US manufactured goods would be zeroed out.  The example was farm equipment.

    I don't know (regarding manufactures) the extent of the Colombian deal.  The Korean deal sounds terrible.

    The link in my comment was courtesy of an economist I correspond with.

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    Oh, I appreciate it, (none / 0) (#34)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Aug 04, 2011 at 02:31:14 PM EST
    and I wasn't complaining... I just had no clue what it really said! Thanks for the link, though, it allows me to learn some new economic terms.

    I'll also dig into the Korea agreement. I worry it would kill the re-developing steel industry here.

    I wirked with a steel fabricator trying to get him representation in Colombia... when I take my son back I'll try again.

    I should have just said I was too ignorant  to understand all of the language.

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    Uhh... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:51:02 AM EST
    It should not be possible for a small minority to threaten catastrophe if the rest of the government decides not to embrace an extreme agenda of austerity and the dismantling of programs for the elderly and the less fortunate.

    No sh*t.  But I guess it's okay to use the threat of looming catastrophe to embrace a slightly less extreme agenda of austerity and a restructuring of programs for the elderly and less fortunate?

    Sociopath (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:10:09 AM EST
    We gave tens of TRILLIONS without strings to people who'd never need a dime of help in their lives, and we're supposed to believe this lying sack of sheet that the problem, really, is all those pesky programs for the less fortunate.

    Geithner and those like him, if they didn't have the jobs they have, would be murdering people and burying the bodies in their back yards.  The same mindset is at work -- you are less than, you don't matter, you are disposable.

    As it is, they get to bury those bodies... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:10:50 AM EST
    ...by proxy.

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    Fool? Too benign. Knave? (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 11:28:53 AM EST
    Getting closer, if you put more emphasis on the "tricky, deceitful, unprincipled" definition and throw in a fair amount of the "male servant" definition; after all, he's where he is for a reason, and that has a lot to do with who Barack Obama is.  The two of them combine cunning with cruelty in a sick, synergystic, and symbiotic way - together, they are a one-two below-the-belt punch.

    And both seem to have a major hearing problem...Republicans are on the record saying that debt-ceiling-as-hostage will be the order of the day for the next decade, that the caps will not be the end of the cutting, but one stage of the cutting.

    I guess my question is, is Geithner's and Obama's willful ignorance of Republicans' refusal to ever play nice, no matter how many of their demands are met, and their constant public statements each time this happens that they have "laid the groundwork for more cooperation in the future," proof of their cunning, or their underestimation of the American public's intelligence?

    Or, have they just figured out the language of bamboozlement, honed by Geithner's years on Wall Street and Obama's in his climb up the political ladder, to placate the public while going on their merry way of destroying whatever chances the 98% of the population had to improve their lives?  In other words, just part of the plan.

    Jesus, even Larry Summers is calling BS on this craptastic deal:

    The United States's current problem is much more a jobs and growth deficit than an excessive budget deficit. This is confirmed by the fact that a single bad economic statistic more than wiped out all the stock market gains from the avoidance of default and the fact that bond yields reached new lows at the moment of maximum apparent danger on the debt limit.

    On the current policy path which involves a substantial withdrawal of fiscal stimulus when the payroll tax cuts expire at the end of the year, it would be surprising if growth was rapid enough even to bring unemployment down to 8.5 percent by the end of 2012. With growth at less than 1 percent in the first half of the year, the economy is now at stall speed--with the prospects of adverse shocks from a European financial crisis that is decidedly not under control, spikes in oil prices, and confidence declines on the part of businesses and households. Based on the flow of statistics, the odds of the economy going back into recession are at least 1 in 3 if nothing new is done to raise demand and spur growth.

    Obama's kept Geithner on long enough that I know, without a doubt, that if he leaves, he will be replaced with someone in the same mold.

    Yeah, we're screwed.

    The dynamic duo (none / 0) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 11:58:36 AM EST
    Hecka of job Obama/Geithner.

    The domestic spending cuts contemplated in the debt-ceiling deal are sure to compound the dire fiscal situation confronting the states, which already are reducing jobs and slashing once-untouchable programs to balance their budgets.

    The measure that President Obama signed into law on Tuesday does not lay out specific reductions, but with federal dollars accounting for a third of state revenue, analysts said steep cuts will be unavoidable.
    ...
    The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities says that in the wake of the recession, 34 states have cut K-12 education funding, 43 have reduced college funding, and 31 have slashed money for health care.

    In all, state and local governments have cut 577,000 jobs since 2008, accelerating the unemployment rate. link



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    I've already had 2 fall classes (none / 0) (#22)
    by nycstray on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 12:13:02 PM EST
    canceled due to state budgets. And these were classes that are needed in my area for job required skills (web/multimedia)/an AA degree/move on to a 4yr degree.

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    Wow, that's terrible to hear (none / 0) (#24)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 12:59:27 PM EST
    Is it possible you could take those classes through a private organization and lobby the school admin to add them to your records by way of "work study" or "practicum" or something like that? Hope that doesn't sound too naive on my part but, under the circumstances, the school may be willing to work with you on a side route. Obviously, the Bay Area is a big tech hub, and there are lots of other places to get those classes.

    Forgetting the degree for a moment, I wonder if you have something there like we have in Seattle? There is an organization here called N-Power, which teaches tech classes to employees of non-profit organizations -- and really, you don't even have to be a paid employee. Like me, you can be a regular volunteer with a non-profit and get them to sponsor you for the classes. When the bill is due, the non-profit sends it to me and I gladly pay it, because it is an amazing discount ($70 instead of $240!) from what it would cost to take through a community college or UW. And the classes are taught by tech professionals. I'll bet there is something like that in SF.

    Good luck! It's so unfair that this recession has dashed the education dreams of so many.

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    Thanks for the info :) (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by nycstray on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 01:46:00 PM EST
    Actually, I'm ok. I'm taking classes just to brush up some skills I let slide a bit while working in a related end of the field (I do more product development, packaging and 'stuff'), but I'm still kinda annoyed. I have enough experience that the brush up is just to make me more flexible. The ones getting hurt are the Vets in my classes (some are in training programs after sustaining injuries, etc), lower income students, single moms etc. There are a few students in 4yr programs that are taking the AA program to increase their likelihood of getting a decent job.

    The thing about this program vs many others is the affordability. CCs here are affordable. I think it's $26 a credit. Students can get a degree/work skills without taking out $$$ loans etc. The schools are also part of the state work re/training program.  

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    Wretch (none / 0) (#29)
    by chrisvee on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 02:02:12 PM EST
    I'm going with wretch myself. It introduces that 'base, vile' vibe.

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    consigliere (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by dandelion on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 12:45:01 PM EST
    I think that's the proper word to use to describe Geithner.

    Good enough for Nixon, (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by NYShooter on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 06:02:14 PM EST
    "unindicted co-conspirator,"  

    for Geithner, I would leave off the "un."

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    but you'd have to add (none / 0) (#32)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 07:47:34 PM EST
    "Incompetent" to the co-conspirator part.

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    foolish knave. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by cpinva on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 01:19:15 PM EST
    consigliere is generally associated with a ruthless, competent person, the polar opposite of sect'y geithner.

    i want to know where i need to apply for the "failing up" high paying jobs? it's as though the "peter principle" went on steroids for the past decade, and every inept boob with a friend in high places has been put in charge of important projects, with the easily foreseen negative results. but they get paid very well. when they finally get asked to leave government, an even better paying job awaits them in the private sector.

    Both, and add 'Scoundrel.' (none / 0) (#2)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:20:10 AM EST


    And toady (none / 0) (#19)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 11:45:54 AM EST
    Both (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:31:30 AM EST


    Fool... (none / 0) (#8)
    by masslib on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 09:55:39 AM EST
    Wait you mean Obama right?  Seriously, pathetic that he is running his economic policy through treasury, ie, Geitner.  This is why we all suffer.  Meanwhile, Geitner celebrated the great compromise with the flipping chamber of commerce.  

    The government's ability to make smart, long-term budget choices has long been broken. This gives us a chance to fix it.

    Really?  I am pretty completely sure I do not want Democratic Presidents making long term budget choices with the lunatics who took over the House.  What happened to first do no harm?

    Sadly, there is no downside for Obama to continue his rightward lurch.  I don't think it will cost him electorally at all.  There is no alternative so what does he have to lose?

    The Dems will win the next time around? (none / 0) (#9)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:06:23 AM EST
    I suppose anything is possible.....

    But why would anything change with the Super Catfood Commission?

    Is there a good way to stop this?  I would like to be optimistic and contribute to the solution......but as current trends go, the news from Training Camp and Free Agency Signings seems more worthy of attention.

    Psychologically, this feels worse than Nov 2004.

    That's the most (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:11:06 AM EST
    unfortunate thing: we are going to have trickle down voodoo economics no matter what happens in November of '12. The only benefit to Obama losing would be that at least the GOP would have to take the rap for the bad policy. So, yes in that sense this is WORSE than 2004. At least in 2004 the GOP was going to have to take the rap for all the bad policies. Now they are getting their disastrous policies done by Obama. It's lose/lose for the middle class.

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    Geithner writes his ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:40:06 AM EST
    own report card.

    Isn't that special.

    This one (none / 0) (#15)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 10:42:45 AM EST
    lowers the prospect of using the debt limit as an instrument of coercion

    just slays me.

    Classic fool.  It's amazing that people outside the Beltway get that extortion is now a part of discourse and people like Geithner either don't get it or hope no one else notices.

    And this:

    The government's ability to make smart, long-term budget choices has long been broken. This gives us a chance to fix it.

    Long term problems like continuing engagement in two unfunded major conflicts.  Free shot to raise revenue blown and worsened.  A recovery measure (ARRA) consisting of nearly 40% tax cuts.

    These were all fixable on his effing watch.

    Fool and knave.  He should never have been appointed.

    Replacement (none / 0) (#20)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 11:58:26 AM EST
    Obama replaced Emmanuel with Daley.

    That's the record and I'm confident he'll replace Geithner with another Wall St. toady.

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    Another vote for both (none / 0) (#25)
    by sj on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 01:14:02 PM EST
    and every other suggestion made here.

    Compare this to what McConnell said (none / 0) (#30)
    by fuzzyone on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 03:47:48 PM EST
    as I did here at Fair and Unbalanced and you can see how ridiculous this is.