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Posted on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 11:02:29 AM EST
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Eric Hobsbawm has passed away. He was 95 and an unrepentant Marxist-Leninist. A giant figure in the study of history, his studies of the 19th Century are classics. May he rest in peace.

Mitt Romney urges that the US should repeat its catastrophic errors regarding the Iraq Debacle and listen again to Bib Netanyahu, this time on Iran. Juan Cole remembers Bibi's urging the Iraq Debacle, even though the Media seems to have conveniently forgotten.

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    One more time for my father (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dadler on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 12:51:31 PM EST
    65 years ago this last week, on September 27 1945, at the Royale Theatre (now the Bernard Jacobs), my father made his Broadway debut in Theodore Ward's OUR LAN'.  The production originated at the immigrant's indispensable haven, the Henry Street Playhouse, so it was quite the move uptown. Happy anniversary, pops. Peace, y'all. (link)

    Bibi (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by lentinel on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 02:55:52 PM EST
    or no Bibi.

    Romney and Obama are jousting with each other to project who is the toughest on Iran.

    It is a replay of the '08 campaign when McCain and Obama were doing the same thing about the same place.

    I am not sanguine about peace no matter who wins.

    Dr. Barry Commoner has died at 95. (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:36:30 PM EST
    It is impossible to overstate the impact Barry Commoner had on so many aspects of the environmental movement from giving voice to the arguments that would underpin the environmental justice movement to spearheading the push to end nuclear testing (by pointing out that all that radiation was swept from the sky down to earth by rain), to the fights to end the use of aerosol cans, to so much more.

    In addition to his environmental and scientific work, Commoner ran for president in 1980 on the Citizens Party ticket.

    His work was invaluable.  RIP, Dr. Commoner.

    Think I'll pull down my copy (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:00:01 PM EST
    of The Closing Circle and give it another read. It's been gathering dust for too long.

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    Glad to say I voted for him (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:43:02 PM EST
    It was my first vote for president. RIP indeed to someone who had a real positive influence.

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    required reading? (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by the capstan on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:19:34 PM EST
    Among the freebie mags my airline miles brought me was Harper's Magazine.  My first issue, the October one, has a disconcerting essay by Kevin Baker.  It is called  "Why Vote? When Your Vote Counts for Nothing."  He's got figures for what is happening in world economies and facts about how democracy fares today.  His conclusion is dismaying, to say the least.

    I just read that a few days ago (none / 0) (#17)
    by shoephone on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 10:18:34 PM EST
    and it was very sobering, indeed -- especially the easy dissection of Candidate Obama (2008) vs. President Obama. We are scr*wed.

    There's a bit of populist solace in the October issue, however. Did you read the article on Acme, Michigan? At least it (sort of) ends well.

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    Re last night's G-Men v Aigles (none / 0) (#2)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 01:46:59 PM EST
    game:  Am I missing something or did NY Coach Coughlin blow it by not allowing Manning one more sideline pass play to get them even just five yards closer?

    Seems to me that was a risk he almost had to take given they were situated at the very edge of their kicker's range.  5, 6, 7 more yards and it's doable, but very low odds from where they were.

    I think the Giants probably lost a chance to win by playing it too conservatively at the very end.  Too bad because they are also, slightly, the better team.

    Great game though in the second half.

    imo, it was the right call. There was also (none / 0) (#3)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 01:56:26 PM EST
    the potential for a completion w/o the receiver getting out of bounds and stopping the clock. If that had happened time would have run out on the pass play.

    What did you think of the overturned incompletion for the Eagles?

    imo, during the review, there was not nearly clear enough evidence to conclude that some part of the ball did not hit the turf and thus the review should not have overturned the ref's incomplete call. Changed the outcome of the game.

    I tried to find some discussion of this by google this AM but nothing came up, I guess no one else saw it the way I did...

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    Well yes, as I said there was (none / 0) (#6)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 04:05:45 PM EST
    a risk to trying one more (sidelines) play to get closer.  But an equal or greater risk lay with going for that very long end of his range FG.  If they had a kicker with a really strong leg, like the Raiders kicker, then the odds say kick right there.  But not with the Giants kicker.  That vs an accurate quality clutch QB Manning making one more pinpoint timing pass.

    Can't comment on the other play -- doesn't come to mind, and I wasnt able to watch all the game.

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    DeShean had a low pass (none / 0) (#7)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 04:53:41 PM EST
    where he had the backs of his hands on the turf, palms up, and the ball hit and bounced up into his chest where he secured it.

    It was initially called incomplete, and then challenged and overturned.

    In all the replays, I could not see anything close to "indisputable visual evidence" that the call on the field was incorrect - that the ball actually only hit his fingers and not the turf as well - so it didn't seem right to me that the call was overturned.

    iirc (I was trying to fix the dishwasher during most of the game) that that gave gave them a first down instead of punting, and the Eagles scored shortly after.

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    Ok that one I only saw the (none / 0) (#11)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:59:04 PM EST
    replay aftermath.  Tend to agree -- not indisputable evidence. The point end of the ball appeared to be touching turf while the receiver cupped the rest in his hands.  A tweener situation, 75% legal catch 25% not.  If the rule says no part of the ball can be touching turf at the time of possession, it's incomplete.

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    I'm nervous that the debate might go well ... (none / 0) (#4)
    by magster on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 02:14:25 PM EST
    ... for Romney. I am also on the record for being nervous about Eastwood's speech (before the speech) being effective for Romney.

    ha! (none / 0) (#8)
    by sj on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 05:53:04 PM EST


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    The wrath of the entitled class (none / 0) (#13)
    by Politalkix on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:06:01 PM EST
    Billionaire rage in motion!. link

    those would be mitt's buds, so totally (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:40:26 PM EST
    lacking in self-awareness, they make up an entire new species of humanoid: homo oblivious

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    The article makes my (none / 0) (#16)
    by brodie on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:51:27 PM EST
    blood boil a bit, in between snaps of MNF.  And I don't think Obama has been nearly tough enough on the 1% crowd.  Ditto most libs and center left types.  They've been far too moderate in pushing back against the greed and selfishness. FDR by comparison, in terms of rhetoric and some policy, looks like a radical Marxist.

    I would remind our party that moderation in pursuit of (economic) justice is no virtue.

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    Okay...hi to Goldwater, then. (none / 0) (#18)
    by christinep on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 08:29:43 AM EST


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    That (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 08:40:52 AM EST
    article is just plain confusing. This guy apparently had no problem with Gore even saying that he voted for him. Something about Obama inspires enmity with these people. It seems they think that he does not have a work ethic or something.  

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    Yeah, I was confused too. (none / 0) (#21)
    by vml68 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 09:25:51 AM EST
    He says he voted for Gore and has no problem with paying higher taxes. It seems his problem is with being considered "evil" just because he has so much money. And since he started from pretty humble beginnings and made it to where he is, he objects to having someone "who has never held a real job" vilifying him.

    His wife sounds pretty cool.  

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    Personally (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 11:41:39 AM EST
    I think Obama's playing up of being a "community organizer" and down playing the regular stuff that he has done like working in a law office makes people think he really hasn't held down a "real job"  because his work at the Univ. Of Chicago was part time also. And who the heck knows what a community organizer is? I'm still not sure exactly and I asked a lot of his fans back during the primaries and they couldn't come up with an answer. The only thing he seems to have done is register people to vote.

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    Sounds like he's experiencing some (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 01:01:10 PM EST
    genuine paranoia about a possible future of torches and pitchforks..

    The mammoth in the room that Cooperman never adresses is the grotesque, self-absorbed excesses and civic autism of his fellow one percenters..

    Cooperman is suffering, to a large extent, for the sins of his class; about which he's in obstinant denial.  

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    Interesting piece... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 10:28:54 AM EST
    If the billionaires think they're vilified, they should try reefer as a pursuit of happiness as opposed to making money outta money;)  Such thin skin...who cares about the rhetoric from two-faced pols, at the end of the day Obama has done and will do the 1% mad favors.  I believe the phrase is "count your blessings".

    Personally, I think the guy coulda done a lot more good by sticking to dentistry, and made a nice living...dentists help people providing a valuable service, though not as profitable as gambling well on stocks.  But to each their own...

    Kinda confirms my stereotype of the 1%...the more ya got, the more paranoid ya get that everybody is out to rob you.  Maybe a guilty conscience at play???

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    The only examples he gives (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 10:46:30 AM EST
    about Obama's so called enmity toward the rich is his saying he will raise their taxes. (which of course he has not done). That is not hatred of the rich in my book.

    And the 'never worked a day in his life' statement is way out of line. Just because he does not understand or agree with the kind of work Obama chose to do does not mean it is not work.

    When their so called logic based arguments are shown to be nonsense some of us cannot be blamed for thinking there is something else behind the hatred of Obama.

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    PA Voter ID Ruling (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 08:57:45 AM EST
    is in... again.
    Too confusing for me to translate early in the morning
    SITE VIOLATOR! (none / 0) (#26)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 03:15:30 PM EST


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