Saturday College Football Open Thread

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:38:01 AM EST
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The picks (2 units unless otherwise indicated):

TCU +7 over Baylor, USC -13 over Washington, Arkansas -17 over Kentucky (3 units), Louisiana Tech +9 over Texas A&M, South Carolina +3 over LSU (5 units), Vanderbilt +9 over Florida, Ohio State -17½ over Indiana, Oklahoma State -27½ over Kansas, Tennessee +3 over Mississippi State, California -7 over Washington State, Bowling Green -7½ over Miami Ohio, BYU -5½ over Oregon State (3 units), North Carolina -7½ over Miami (Florida) (5 units), Utah +9½ over UCLA (3 units), Maryland +1½ over Virginia (3 units), Missouri +21½ over Alabama, Notre Dame -7 over Stanford (5 units), Boise State -7 over Fresno State (3 units), Michigan -25 over Illinois, West Virginia -4½ over Texas Tech (5 units), SMU -18 over Tulane (3 units), Temple +5½ over Connecticut, Louisville -3 over Pittsburgh, Northwestern -3½ over Minnesota, Oklahoma -3½ over Texas (5 units), Iowa +9 over Michigan State, Army +3 over Kent State, Syracuse +7½ over Rutgers, Kansas State -7 over Iowa State, Wisconsin +2 over Purdue, Auburn +6 over Mississippi

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Make of this what you will (5.00 / 5) (#35)
by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:39:44 PM EST

for reading tea leaves. I just accidentally knocked my Obama birth certificate mug off the counter. As it was about to hit the floor I was horrified at what a bad omen a shattered Obama mug would be for the election. It hit the ground, bounced, hit the ground again....and not a scratch or chip on the thing. Made in America, baby.

: Maybe the unbreakable mug (none / 0) (#40)
by CoralGables on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:50:26 PM EST

is a good omen for both Obama and Carmona. Here is a just released poll:
Arizona: Obama 44%, Romney 42% (Rocky Mountain Poll)

The list still grows (none / 0) (#1)
by CoralGables on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:10:39 AM EST

You are a bookies dream come true as this list doesn't fit on a normal sheet of loose leaf paper. And today you play the Wolverine game leaving me no obvious game for my single pick.

I'll have to let oculus or MT find a game missing from the list for my solo pick today. I'd pick someone in the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs game but there's no betting line available from Vegas Insider.

UCF v So Miss? (none / 0) (#2)
by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:25:03 AM EST

I don't see that on the list. Go Knights!


I'll take the first suggestion today (none / 0) (#29)
by CoralGables on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:30:26 PM EST

The Golden Eagles at 0-5 travel to the 3-2 Nights in White Satin. One of the worst teams in the bad Conference USA against the Robert Redford led Knights. Oh wait, not those Knights. I'm confusing "The Natural" with football.

The best game for UCF was a 5 point loss to Missouri. The best game of the year by Southern Miss was their Spring game, when half of the Southern Miss team was able to notch a win while the other half still remains winless.

The game opened with UCF an 11 point favorite and quickly went up to 17. There's not an ounce of logic to give 17 points to a Southern Miss team that averages 16 pts a game. UCF will likely need 34 or more to cover.

Thanks for the unpickable game Ruffian. UCF is losing by 17 and they haven't had their pre-game meal yet, but I can't bank on a winless team.

I'll take UCF -17 (1 unit) and hope they pen me A Knight's Tale and score 40.


: There was a reason I stayed away from it (none / 0) (#31)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:31:29 PM EST

: Correction (none / 0) (#68)
by NYShooter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:01:14 PM EST

"You are a bookies dream come true.."
S/B: You are a "Broker's" dream come true..."
BTD does "investments"

Does Florida have Emmitt Smith (none / 0) (#64)
by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:28:52 PM EST

back in the line up again this week like last week?


: Go Gators! (none / 0) (#71)
by Amiss on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:30:38 PM EST

Blocked Vandy's fg attempt. Driskell is who I assume you are referring to just ran for another TD. Fla18 Vandy 7.

Brown-Princeton (none / 0) (#3)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:15:37 PM EST

: I'm too late (none / 0) (#8)
by CoralGables on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:40:20 PM EST

for Brown-Princeton. It's already halftime. Although if I was able to find a spread and be in under the wire that would have been fun.

BTW (none / 0) (#4)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:17:01 PM EST

Oklahoma 27- Texas 2.


36-2 (none / 0) (#12)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:53:11 PM EST

: Heh, its two points (none / 0) (#13)
by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:57:57 PM EST

and can you really expect the Longhorns to actually tackle?
Mack Brown meltdown.

Good thing he's a lawyer (none / 0) (#5)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:17:11 PM EST

and probably has lots of legal sized paper!

Lots of MAC games he didn't pick. Maybe one of the directional Michigan teams or N. Illinois?

Go Hawks!


Go Iowa! (none / 0) (#6)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:30:28 PM EST

"Directional Michigan teams." (none / 0) (#14)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:38:30 PM EST

Good one. And, of course, Missouri and Illinois do this too. NY seems more imaginative.


Not good (none / 0) (#16)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:51:35 PM EST

this Burlington kid. A senior QB should play like a senior QB.


Hawks on the move! (none / 0) (#18)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:08:19 PM EST

TD Hawks!! (none / 0) (#19)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:10:40 PM EST

Weisman for Heisman (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:23:08 PM EST

And... (none / 0) (#33)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:35:17 PM EST

he gets hurt. Gaaaah.

2nd OT here we come. I swear to gawd they're just trying to kill me.


: YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#37)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:41:36 PM EST

Wooooooooooohoooooooooooo!
Hawks win, Hawks win!!!

Kick the XP (none / 0) (#20)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:10:58 PM EST

Aaach. How did I miss a native son? (none / 0) (#21)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:15:07 PM EST

I think I mentioned him before (none / 0) (#41)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:55:35 PM EST

being a River City boy and all.

I'm sorry oc, but I'm going to have to root for Illinois to spoil Michigan's homecoming--even though the Illini are sooo bad.


: Gators (none / 0) (#53)
by Amiss on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:52:13 PM EST

Went for 2 pt. Conversion and are ahead of Vandy!

My h.s. classmates say he's from (none / 0) (#51)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:36:10 PM EST

Keokuk.


: Yep, he is. (none / 0) (#52)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:47:34 PM EST

Hard to keep those dirty, depressed river towns straight!

Maybe coral gables will answer this (none / 0) (#34)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:37:00 PM EST

question. How does a gambler/football fanatic keep track of so many games, some of which must be overlapping?


The interwebs (none / 0) (#36)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:39:58 PM EST

Here's one way.


BTD has mad skills (none / 0) (#39)
by CoralGables on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:48:51 PM EST

I'm a one team kind of person on Saturdays. It's all Gators. I don't check BTD's results until Sunday morning after I come back down from my Gator high.


: Couldn't believe (none / 0) (#74)
by Amiss on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:40:14 PM EST

Our Gators allowed Vandy to score 10 points in the 4th. They had a good thing going not allowing any scores in the 4th this year.

You didn't ask me, but, (none / 0) (#69)
by NYShooter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:20:35 PM EST

You'd me amazed at how much brain power is available to you, but, most of the time lays dormant, and unused. I once asked a veteran stock broker, ""How does a stock broker fanatic keep track of so many stocks, some of which must be overlapping?"

His answer: "buy one share each of fifty different companies, then go to the broker's office and watch that tape wizz by. (this was before home computers) Before the day is over you'll be able to recite every stock, and every price, down to the last 1/16th. of a point.

When you have a (financial) interest in something, the mind keeps it in the forefront. All the rest of the thousands of bits of input that come your way every day go into storage.


Go Beavers... (none / 0) (#7)
by fishcamp on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:35:14 PM EST

Texas has scored 2 points (none / 0) (#11)
by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:50:59 PM EST

at the half against Oklahoma.

Hook 'em horns.....

Not-about football. Interesting column (none / 0) (#15)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:39:39 PM EST

by Canadian novelist Richard Ford:

Financial Times

I have the same rant about the packaging (none / 0) (#17)
by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:07:15 PM EST

While I applaud the technical innovations of the plastics and glue industries.....why do I need a pair for scissors to open EVERY package in the kitchen? I am particularly dangerous with sharp object. I need to be able to just rip open a bag of lettuce or dog treats, and I can't do it.


Correction: although Ford's terrific (none / 0) (#24)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:19:50 PM EST

novel is entitled "Canada," he was born in Jackson, Mississippi!

Now, back to the subject of packaging. Most recent experience: Trying to open emery board package caused destruction of manicure.


Yeah the 'canadian novelist' (none / 0) (#38)
by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:42:30 PM EST

thing surprised me a little - I thought 'I had no idea he was Canadian!'

I related to his story of gouging himself with the screwdriver or whatever tool he was using. Have done that more than once.


: Art Buchwald on how U.S. mfgs. (none / 0) (#42)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:01:16 PM EST

are meeting the challenge of the economy:

K State (none / 0) (#22)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:18:52 PM EST

I need the ODC running up the score mentality.

Damn victory formation (none / 0) (#23)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:19:07 PM EST

1 point loss (none / 0) (#25)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:20:15 PM EST

there. 1/2 point loss in Syracuse game.


Ugh (none / 0) (#30)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:30:30 PM EST

auburn is turrible.


: Jeff (none / 0) (#32)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:33:05 PM EST

Chizik has to go.
This is an inexcusable performance.

Orthogonal Defect Formation? (none / 0) (#26)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:22:18 PM EST

ODC


: typo (none / 0) (#28)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 02:24:19 PM EST

OBC as in Old Ball Coach as in Steve Spurrier who would have run up the score at the end and gotten my the cover.

Oregon State and BYU 14-14 (none / 0) (#43)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:09:56 PM EST

at the half. Beavers backup QB Cody Vaz doing an okay job so far.

Come on , Beavs.

Beavers win!!! Beat BYU 42-24. (none / 0) (#58)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:11:30 PM EST

And they did it with the backup QB, a guy who hasn't played in a game since 2010 and hasn't started a game since high school.

Oregon State is now 5-0. The last time the Beavs were 5-0 was in 1939.

So far, it is a pretty amazing season for the Beavers who had losing seasons in 2010 and 2011.

If this keeps up, the Civil War (Oregon vs. Oregon State) will be quite a game.


It was not the offensive track meet (none / 0) (#65)
by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:31:28 PM EST

the score would suggest. There were a lot of negative plays. And lot of ricochets that helped Oregon State.

Both teams had tough, tough defenses that could really tackle (Texas, take note) and punished the respective offenses.


BYU QB threw 3 interceptions, two of them (none / 0) (#66)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:40:13 PM EST

were ricochets. BYU sacked the OSU QB twice. OSU sacked the BYU QB 4 times.

OSU made gained more yardage from passing than it did from running because BYU has pretty good rushing defense.

The Beavers played a damn good game. Their win is certainly not a fluke.

I do wish the Beavers would get a grip on penalties. They lose way too much yardage to stupid mindless penalties.


OSU looked good (none / 0) (#67)
by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:50:05 PM EST

They were the better team even with the ricochets.

I could see how Armando would take BYU and the points. The OSU quarterback was out, and BYU had a great rush defense, and BYU was at home. It was a good bet.

OSU is just better than many think.

When is the Oregon v. Oregon St. game? Wtih Stanford losing, all eyes on the State of Oregon now.


: Or rather that BYU would beat the spread (none / 0) (#72)
by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:57:02 PM EST

: The Oregon-Oregon State game, (none / 0) (#73)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:09:42 PM EST

known in these parts as The Civil War, will be played on November 24.
It is shaping up to be the game that decides the Pac-12 North champ. The rotten thing about the new two division Pac-12 is that even if Oregon and Oregon State have the best records in the conference, only one gets to play for the conference championship.

thanx for the info casey (none / 0) (#78)
by fishcamp on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 08:29:22 AM EST

we didn't get the game down here, only the score whizzing by at the bottom of the screen. Is the Civil War in Corvallis or Eugene this year?


: Corvallis. At Reser Stadium. (none / 0) (#84)
by caseyOR on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:07 PM EST

Home field advantage could be a very good thing for the Beavers this year.

West Virgnia exposed (none / 0) (#44)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:13:53 PM EST

as a fraud.

: I figured 63-49 type game (none / 0) (#45)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:15:02 PM EST

Bye Bye West Virginia, bye bye Geno smith

Notre Dame is danger of fraud exposure as well (none / 0) (#46)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:17:04 PM EST

Good. (none / 0) (#47)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:29:09 PM EST

When did ESPN2 start this RedZone like Goal Line thing? I'm liking it.


Can a team (none / 0) (#48)
by Jackson Hunter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:42:10 PM EST

be a fraud if they have no consistency at QB? Their Defense is the real deal though, if they had even a decent Offense they'd be great. The D can keep it close, I just hope they can pull it out like good Catholics should. ;)

Jackson


: TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#49)
by Jackson Hunter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:13:39 PM EST

And the score is knotted at 10.
I can only follow on the internet, so I have also been watching 'The Survivors' that I recently downl...er, purchased. It's from '83 with Robin Williams and Walter Matthau, quite an underated flick in my opinion.
Jackson

Notre Dame wins!!!!! (none / 0) (#56)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:07:44 PM EST

The Irish beat Stanford in OT.

Guess maybe ND not a fraud after all.


ND-Cardinal score 20-13. n/t (none / 0) (#57)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:08:11 PM EST

How did BTD do today? (none / 0) (#61)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:16:57 PM EST

Well, he had ND -7 over Stanford. ND won by 7. So, I think, and CG correct me if I am wrong, that BTD wins this one because ND did not win by more than 7.

He had BYU -5 over Oregon State. Oregon State won by 18. So, BTD loses.

These are only two games I was keeping track of today. Anybody else got some scores to add/subtract from BTD's win-loss record?


+2 units as we speak (none / 0) (#63)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:22:02 PM EST

: +8 units (none / 0) (#77)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:55:58 PM EST

as we speak.

ND -7 over Stanford. ND won by 7. (none / 0) (#70)
by NYShooter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:26:20 PM EST

That's called a "push"

bet, err investment, cancelled. neither side wins.


Stanford - Notre Dame (none / 0) (#75)
by womanwarrior on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:52:17 PM EST

I have to say Stanford got reffed on more than one outrageous call. But as my father always said, to be a great team, you have to beat the refs too. Well, if they beat CAL, the year will not be lost.

At least BTD got his prediction?


I didn't see it (none / 0) (#59)
by Jackson Hunter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:13:44 PM EST

but a Goalline stand on 4th and inches, man I wish the Chinese liked football and I could watch it. :) The stand must have been epic! I root for the Washington teams, bust as it is mid-October they are both out of any championship hunt naturally, so I have to go with an old favorite.

It was a great goalline stand. (none / 0) (#62)
by caseyOR on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:18:47 PM EST

The Irish held off two goalline attempts on that last set of downs by the Cardinal to win.


: goalline stand? (none / 0) (#76)
by womanwarrior on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:54:13 PM EST

The pictures show he crossed the goal line. Sigh.

Eh (none / 0) (#60)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:14:18 PM EST

I'll take it though, saved me 5 units.


Florida in danger of being exposed as a fraud (none / 0) (#50)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 05:29:32 PM EST

For brodie: (none / 0) (#54)
by oculus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:02:35 PM EST

AP analysis re Cuban missile crisis mythology

: Not much noteworthy (none / 0) (#79)
by brodie on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 08:48:50 AM EST

or new there. Been aware of certain mainstream myths for a long time, many of them explained in Sheldon Stern's fine book about the crisis, Averting the Final Failure, from a decade ago. That ap piece also leaves out a few myths and important turning points which Stern covers.
Kennedy, as Stern explains, comes out even better without the myths, a rational, level-headed and courageous president willing to buck the nearly unanimous hawkish stance of his military and civilian advisors and negotiate a settlement. He was also greatly assisted by a suddenly rational and level headed Nikita who interestingly was situated in the Kremlin very eerily similarly to JFK wrt hawkish advisors. In the end they both acted like reasonable and sane leaders in the compromise solution.
The 50th anniversary of the missile crisis offers opportunity to celebrate outstanding presidential leadership in the most dire circumstances this planet has ever experienced. Leadership all the more remarkable when stripped of the cold war myths.

NYT profile on (none / 0) (#55)
by shoephone on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:05:11 PM EST

Stephanie Cutter.

Obama's lucky to have her on his team.

BTD CFITP (none / 0) (#80)
by CoralGables on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 09:30:26 AM EST

A winning day for BTD in both wins and cash:

On the day 16-14-1 (+6 units)
Season 66-70-3 (-13 units)

If not for BTD's meltdown last week (which was the result of a temporary post-debate lapse in concentration) he would be in the plus column for both wins and units for the season.

BTD gave me a thumping as I lost in both categories yesterday due to my sheer stubbornness and refusal to take the 0-5 team.

On the day 0-1 (-1 unit)
Season 1-1 (even)

CFITP?? (none / 0) (#81)
by oculus on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 11:52:15 AM EST

The internet is so slow (none / 0) (#82)
by CoralGables on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 01:40:25 PM EST

in updating the more common acronyms of the day...
CFITP =
College Football Investment Tracking Poll.


: "[T]he more common" Ha. (none / 0) (#83)
by oculus on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 01:52:06 PM EST