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Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

No, I don't sleep with the fishes, because of Sandy or any other events last Saturday. I actually got out of Dodge (New York) Sunday morning because I had a hearing in Puerto Rico on Tuesday. (Still here today because my flight was cancelled last night. Hopefully back in the States by tonight.)

Here's something funny - Jeff Goldberg's (I think tongue in cheek) theory for why New Jersey Governor Chris Christie undermined Mitt Romney on Hurricane Sandy:

Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen. (This story, by yours truly, explains why.) Bruce Springsteen loves Barack Obama. Bruce Springsteen does not love Chris Christie. Being overtly supportive of Barack Obama might get Chris Christie his holy grail: The approval of Springsteen, even a meeting with him. Believe me -- he'd rather meet with Springsteen than with Obama, or anyone else.

Ha! Open Thread.

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    Very suspicious. Both Peter G and (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:29:41 PM EST
    BTD stranded in Puerto Rico.  

    Hardship posts (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:11:19 PM EST
    I'm sure they're suffering at the beach.  It's currently 89 degrees there.  Pass them a couple of fans, and some cool drinks.

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    I love PR (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by magster on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:21:16 PM EST
    an affordable Hawaii. People are awesome. Water is warm. Food is yummy. San Juan is beautiful. El Yunque is awesome. Make it a state already....

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    Mayaguez has casinos (none / 0) (#25)
    by fishcamp on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:40:12 PM EST
    and great blue marlin fishing in the Mona Passage which is the fabled passage between the Atlantic and the Panama Canal.  Can't remember the fables.

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    Perhaps one of those fables is ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:45:57 PM EST
    ... that they have great blue marlin fishing in the Mona Passage.
    ;-P

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    SWTF: (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:38:12 PM EST
    Don't forget the gambling. (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:41:50 PM EST
    I got out of San Juan (none / 0) (#17)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 03:07:23 PM EST
    easy on a flight this morning.

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    A regular TL hot spot. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:15:30 PM EST
    First Annual TL Convention: (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:19:43 PM EST
    but our invites never arrived.  

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    I started going there in (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 07:25:20 PM EST
    high school during vacations. For some reason, my parents let me go with my friends, even though we were only 16. You could fly round trip from NY for $99.00, and the casinos would give you free food, alcohol and cigarettes even if you were only playing with $5.00.  

    My parents moved there when I was in law school so then I went a lot more, sometimes for weeks at a time. I've probably been there 15 to 20 times.  San Juan and Dorado Beach mostly, but for for a while they lived near Arecibo, Aguadilla and Rincon, a great surfing beach, so I went there too.  

    I love the island.

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    Sounds great. Many of my (none / 0) (#64)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 10:46:49 PM EST
    Catholic school NJ classmates were Puerto Rican, yet I really had no concept of what the commonwealth? territory? was all about.

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    Encouraging news from West Palm (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:23:49 PM EST
    Apparently a GOP operative there wrote a memo saying they are getting their clock cleaned in early voting.

    Glimmers of light.

    Well, the Romney campaign still insists ... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:38:27 PM EST
    ... that they have the momentum, and are pointing to the results of their latest polling in Saskatchewan, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to prove it.

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    Naah, not Canada, but ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Erehwon on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:49:38 PM EST
    Mexico, land of his paternal ancestors! Wasn't he wishing he had been born there? :-)

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    I believe Romney said that ... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:13:32 PM EST
    ... he wished his father was actually a Mexican, rather than having just been born in Mexico to American parents, because he perceives an advantage to being Hispanic. But think about that for a second, and you'll note the inherent flaw in the Mittmeister's thinking.

    Because if Mittens' wish were somehow granted and that was actually the case, young Mitt would hardly have grown up as the pampered youngest son of Chrysler's CEO and Michigan's governor. Rather, his name would be Manolo, and he probably would've instead been caught repeatedly by INS and the U.S. Border Patrol, while trying to cross the Rio Grande illegally from Juarez into El Paso.

    Where's Pinocchio's Blue Fairy when you really need her?

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    Birtherism. Nobody talks about the fact (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:05:57 PM EST
    that Mitt's father, George Romney, ran for president as a Republican (he lost the primary) even though he was not born in America!

    Doesn't his father's foreign birth cast doubts not only on George's qualification to run for president, but also on Mitt's? Part of the birther argument about Obama is that his father was born in a foreign country, and to be a U.S. citizen, the birthers insist, both of one's parents must be born in Amerca. Hence, Mitt Romney is a foreigner.

    I want to see some Romney birth certificates, and I want to see them now. Why isn't Trump all over this?

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    And wasn't John McCain born in Panama? (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:37:11 PM EST
    Coincidence, perhaps - or is it?

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    I give McCain a pass because he was born (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:48:59 PM EST
    at a U.S military installation in Panama. And as we all know, our military bases, no matter where in the world they are located, are all little Americas. Plus, both of McCain's parents were natural-born Americans. The same cannot be said of Romney.

    Bill Richardson, former New Mexico governor, was born in  Pasadena, CA because his mother left Mexico City and came to the U.S specifically to have her baby born in America. His father was born in Nicaragua of a U.S. born father and a Mexico born mother. Bill's mother was born in Mexico. Bill spent his childhood in Mexico City. Bill has a double-whammy of "not a real American", two foreign born parents. Why wasn't his citizenship questioned?

    I demand equal birtherism for all politicians.

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    I can relate... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:07:06 PM EST
    Bronco Bamma. I like it. (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:11:45 PM EST
    I'm going to call him Bronco from here on out.

    And, boy howdy, I am right there with Abigael. I, too, have been driven to tears by this presidential campaign.

    Please make it stop.

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    Why be "driven to tears" by politics? (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:34:28 PM EST
    That's why bongs and margaritas were invented, for those particular moments in time when you just can't take it anymore.

    In fact, I believe I see one of those moments on the horizon, about a half-hour away.
    ;-D

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    the family doesn't even have a TV (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 10:25:54 PM EST
    so how was the girl so exposed to the campaign? The local news said she made the comment while while or just after listening to NPR on the radio. I wonder if she would have had the same reaction if she had visuals and the ads were interspersed among the programs. She was outdoors on a swing when she had the tears. It seemed coached to me.

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    David Letterman's favorite band (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:24:09 PM EST
    The Late Show host loves him The Heavy (LINK). The first time they appeared he asked for a rare encore.  On their most recent visit to the Ed Sullivan Theatre, performing their newest and baddest, "What Makes a Good Man," Dave was blown away again and asked for an encore of "How You Like Me Now?"  When the lead singer gets Letterman involved in the encore, it's priceless. You know he hates it, but you also never see him this giddy about a group.

    And there's a new piece up at Dadler's blog, about those Discount Double-Check ads from State Farm that have been driving me batsh*t crazy for a few months now.  Along with Capital One's Jimmy Fallon, 50% More Cash! spots. (LINK) All reads and comments are appreciated.  Good vibes to the east and all TLers affected by this weather. And who will be counting on their insurance companies to be fair and square.  Peace.  

    I beg to differ. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:39:59 PM EST
    Here is Dave's self-proclaimed"favorite band doing his favorite song".  The number of times The Foos have appeared on his show back that up.  However, since they are on a "break", I will concede that The Heavy may be his new favorite.  Who could blame him--they put out some infectious grooves!  

    More of The Heavy on KEXP.  

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    Fair enough (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 07:02:38 PM EST
    And good rockin' stuff. Power pop of the highest order, and I mean that seriously.  Dave Grohl still doesn't get his due, if you axe me. Peace.

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    Congressman Steve King (R-IA) implies ... (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:57:51 PM EST
    ... that victims of natural disasters who receive federal assistance are naturally prone to waste such aid frivolously:

    "I want to get them the resources that are necessary to lift them out of this water and the sand and the ashes and the death that's over there in the East Coast and especially in the Northeast. But not one big shot to just open up the checkbook, because they spent it on Gucci bags and massage parlors and everything you can think of in addition to what was necessary."

    In response, Charles Pierce makes a naked appeal to Iowans:

    "Really, Iowans, if you do nothing else, please force the Emperor of All Morons to absent himself from the national scene. Because no one should be allowed to say something this stupid and still lead in the polls. I mean, Jesus, Iowans, have some pride."


    Made me google. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:37:38 PM EST
    Apparently after Katrina a bunch of $2000 debit cards were sent out and - anecdotally - some of the monies were spent on, er, non-essentials. Disappointing, of course, if true. It appears King found an effective way to publicize this, although it may well be to his profound detriment...

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    Debit cards don't buy hookers, people do. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:54:31 PM EST
    :D

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    Steve King is an idiot. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:21:42 PM EST
    I can't help but believe that the cause of thinking conservatives everywhere would probably be better served over the long term by his enforced retirement from the scene by voters.

    Because right now, it's pretty hard to take conservatives seriously in any substantive policy discussion, as long as their spokespersons in Congress continue to behave as the political equivalents of a whoopie cushion.

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    People get so caught up (none / 0) (#43)
    by sj on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:12:14 PM EST
    wanting to make sure that assistance is used "properly".  How would "you" like it if your employer felt he could tell you how to spend your paycheck?

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    I realize this is a tangent (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:37:02 PM EST
    but it reminds me of the perennial food stamps debate.  I have never understood the need some people have to monitor what people are buying on food stamps and compare it to what they are buying.  So what if they buy a nicer cut of meat than you do - today?  What does that really tell you about their day to day life?  Nada.  I'd probably buy nicer food if I didn't spend my money on my apartment, high speed internet, football Sundays, whatever.  Nice thing about food stamps, no, you can't use them to buy hookers.  But misuse of debit cards is a drop in the bucket.

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    Last year I was in NYC, and it was spared (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:55:31 PM EST
    from Irene. This year I was in Philly, and it was spared from Sandy. You do the math.

    Clearly, we need to (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:59:40 PM EST
    clone you and place one of you in every major city.   ;-)

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    Or maybe, while you were in those cities, ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:24:23 PM EST
    ... Mother Nature took her shots at you, and proved to have lousy aim.

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    Well, cynical me (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:01:27 PM EST
    but Obama (and Christie) really are getting some nice photo ops out of all this.  If Romney is waiting for a slip up it hasn't happened yet.

    I also realized (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:03:16 PM EST
    I haven't thought much about Romney in the past 48 hours, which feels WONDERFUL.  It's making me very excited to get this election out of the way.

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    I'm getting my first look this morning (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 08:59:31 AM EST
    Halloween is a big deal around here.  Obama and Christie are all over other, touching, looking into each others eyes.  The photos being selected  look like puppy love :)  I'm dying laughing, was this a date or what?

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    "And they call it (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Zorba on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 10:55:31 AM EST
    puppy love.
    Oh I guess they'll never know"

    Boy does that date me.  Paul Anka, yet.    ;-)

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    Well, it can't end soon enough ... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:11:10 PM EST
    I saw this today...and poor kid (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 11:06:46 AM EST
    Feel the Post-Partisan Unity (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:07:57 PM EST
    I have to drink to that tonight.

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    Can I be the one to say (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    that I still despise Chris Christie and that I am not going to praise him for whatever he has been doing this week?

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    Indeed you may (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:30:37 PM EST
    I am just savoring the irony that after 3 years of PPUS nearly cost him the presidency, a couple of days of real PPU may put him over the top in saving it.

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    Obama was on the upswing before the storm (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:36:59 PM EST
    He was ahead in Ohio and tied in Florida.

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    I know, but I think the deal got sealed a few (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:38:45 PM EST
    days earlier than I expected

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    Mostly agree. (none / 0) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 07:32:31 PM EST
    Certainly with your assessment of him, but will give him some credit for his efforts so far.  But, not praise--- his cavalier understanding and dismissive attitude toward  those who did not evacuate upon his orders was on display.   Not sure if it was umbrage at not yielding to his bullying, or his  inexperience with the complexities of, and insensitivities to, those who can not easily evacuate.  

    Some elderly will not evacuate if the shelters do not take their pets; some are not geared to the thought of communal sleeping and toilet facilities, and many do not have the wherewithal to travel or stay in a hotel.  There are several reasons, maybe not good ones given the dangers of staying, but understandable, and not open to scorn.  Of course, Mrs. Barbara Bush is likely to agree with Christie noting that these people are underprivileged anyway, so this is working out quite well for them.

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    No, I agree with you (none / 0) (#61)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:45:37 PM EST
    if he follows it up with some sensible policy and disaster relief administration, I'll applaud that.  And I hope he is providing some reassurance to people.  But politically the optics are just too sweet to overlook.

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    I love this particular (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 11:35:54 PM EST
    picture. Very evocative, IMO.

    If NJ was as nuts as Florida, the airport greeting alone would get Christie fired, the way a similar embrace of Obama did Charlie Crist. Lucky for Christie he is gov of a solid blue state.

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    Does anyone have the nerve to shove (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 11:40:30 PM EST
    Christie?

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    Nerve? (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 09:00:21 AM EST
    Core strength?

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    Unless the GOP dials back the crazy, I (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 11:57:19 PM EST
    don't see Christie getting the nomination in 2016.

    Yeah, he's a bully and a jerk and holds with whole lot of stuff I think is just flat-out wrong. He shares the usual GOP aversion to any kind of taxation except on the poor and the middle-class. He's anti-union. He doesn't seem to be someone who is above using his office an influence to help his friends.

    Still, I don't know if he would be willing to abase himself as completely as Romney has in order to get the nomination.

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    (He is abasing himself as to the GOP (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 11:59:12 PM EST
    right now!)

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    Don't you think he might yell at them though (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 09:01:28 AM EST
    From the podium?  Tell them how nuts they have become?

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    From our "Crazy in the AZ" file: (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:52:03 PM EST
    Phoenix's main daily tries to market Gov. Jan Brewer as the political equivalent of "rich Corinthian leather":

    Arizona Republic | October 31, 2012
    Nationally, Brewer's star shines as a conservative icon - "She travels coast to coast to rally the conservative faithful, packing in Republicans by the thousands and winning standing ovations -- sometimes simply by entering the room. With her no-nonsense and feisty style, Gov. Jan Brewer has stormed America, taking her messages of states' rights and border security to the national stage. Along the way, the 69-year-old Glendale politico has become a national figure who travels like a rock star, complete with an advance team that carries a black marker for her to use to sign autographs. She wields political power and can raise hundreds of thousands of dollars that she is using to try to make or break candidates and influence elections. Ultimately, it's unclear what Brewer plans to do with her star power. No one seems to know her endgame."

    Arizona politics makes my head hurt.

    Palin redux. Grifters, the whole (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 06:55:50 PM EST
    lot of them. How long before Fox gives Brewer an on-air slot from which to spew her hate-filled screeds? She'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

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    Whoever wrote that about Brewer... (none / 0) (#56)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 08:51:35 PM EST
    must have been high on some sort of illegal drugs.

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    TL Performance issue (none / 0) (#2)
    by sj on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:55:14 PM EST
    Is anyone else experiencing performance problems with the site?

    Should be better now (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:17:39 PM EST
    I just stripped a bunch of graphics from the sidebars.

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    It's much better (none / 0) (#8)
    by sj on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:19:14 PM EST
    Thank you very much!

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    Yes. Hard time getting into site this morning (none / 0) (#3)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:00:00 PM EST
    and slow all day.  

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    Yes, our servers are on Long Island (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:08:25 PM EST
    And have been having intermittent trouble. I noticed it around 2 am and contacted our webmaster, who replied this morning, "There was a connectivity outage due to repairs relating to storm damage which were taking place in NYC."

    I removed some embedded videos and may strip some other things, since items hosted at other sites (like Daily Motion and affiliate ad graphics) will hang Talkleft if those sites are having issues.

    I usually assume it's my computer and my connection, so it's good to get feedback that others are experiencing the problem.

    If we go down entirely, we have a backup site here.

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    Why go back right away....? (none / 0) (#4)
    by magster on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:03:39 PM EST
    Wednesday is close enough to the weekend to wait 'til Sunday. Hit the beach. Go to Culebra. Enjoy the Coquis. Drink rum!

    Maybe Christy was trying to lure (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:25:46 PM EST
    The Boss out to tour the damage with him and Obama. Catch the big fish with the little one, according to that theory.

    Since I apparentl;y have to learn to spell (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:28:07 PM EST
    Christie correctly before 2016....is Chris his real first name? Did someone actually name him Christopher Christie? Was he even born in Jersey? Can I see his birth certificate?

    I expect at least one full news cycle devoted to this in 2015.

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    his first name is Christie (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by magster on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:45:40 PM EST
    His parents were big fans of surfer John John Florence. Limited by the last name Christie, they had no choice but to either name him John John Christy or Christy Christy. They chose the latter.

    It is a testament to his internal strength that an overweight kid from NJ named Christie Christie could become a governor. It's all on Wikipedia, I just now made the edits. So it's all true.

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    Well, that's not entirely correct. (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:31:03 PM EST
    Chris Christie's parents were actually big fans of the '60's folk group New Christy Minstrels, and changed their surname accordingly to reflect their undying devotion to them. Further, little Chris admitted to Dr. Phil on Oprah that his renowned surly attitude and compulsive eating disorder resulted from his being subjected by his parents to the repeated playing of the group's hit 45-rpm single, "Green, Green." The Wikipedia entry has now been amended to reflect that.

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    I like your version better. (none / 0) (#65)
    by magster on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 11:25:13 PM EST
    Per Wiki, given name is Christopher (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:40:56 PM EST
    and born in NJ.  But--mother is Sicilian!

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    Well, then, that certainly explains ... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:32:55 PM EST
    ... his purported ties to the Mob. We should probably change the Wikipedia entry to reflect that, too.
    ;-D

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    Luv it (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 09:03:07 AM EST
    It is all very suspicious (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 08:54:09 AM EST
    Hearings in Puerto Rico are good, ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:07:23 PM EST
    ... especially this week. It's too bad that you weren't able to arrange a similar hearing in Puerto Rico for everyone here who otherwise found themselves caught in Sandy's crosshairs and splash zone.

    Glad to hear that you're safe and sound. ;-D

    Speaking of PR (none / 0) (#29)
    by jtaylorr on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:12:23 PM EST
    Aren't they voting on statehood this Tues? Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention. The last vote (in 04?) was extremely close, wonder what the chances are this time around.

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    Article IV, Section 3... (none / 0) (#62)
    by unitron on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 09:47:05 PM EST
    ...gives Congress all of the power to admit new states or not.

    Interestingly, nothing in there really says that the people living in a place which is not already part of a state have to want statehood, so they could make Puerto Rico a state any time they want to.

    Also it doesn't say the area in question has to be a territory or possession of the U.S., either, so theoretically they could make Cuba a state tomorrow if they wanted to.

    Of course enforcing that decision might get interesting.

    But wouldn't it be fascinating to see how the Cuban people reacted?

    (my prediction, J.C. Whitney couldn't print catalogs fast enough)

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    Voters in both Alaska and Hawaii ... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 02:01:40 AM EST
    ... ratified their respective congressional statehood resolutions by popular vote back in 1958-59.

    In Hawaii's case, it's too bad the U.S. Congress didn't see fit to allow islanders any say in the matter when we were unilaterally overthrowing Queen Liliuokalani's government by force of arms in January 1893 -- installing in its place a provisional government called "The Committee of Public Safety," which consisted of a mere handful of white males (two of whom had only resided in Hawaii less than a year!) -- before formally annexing the entire country in August 1898.

    Without a doubt, the American takeover was roundly opposed by the overwhelming majority of the Hawaiian kingdom's citizens at the time, hands down.

    On the eve of the 1898 annexation vote in Congress, Secretary of State John Sherman was formally presented with a petition written in both English and Hawaiian by the Queen and her representatives, which urged Congress to reject the pending joint resolution and contained the signatures of over 20,000 Native Hawaiians, a remarkable document given the logistics and political conditions as they existed in Hawaii at the time.

    That petition was read on the floor of the U.S. Senate, accepted by a formal vote, and then locked away in a file cabinet at the State Department. There, it remained forgotten until inadvertantly rediscovered 94 years later in June 1992 by department personnel, who had decided one day to review the contents of some old file cabinets cluttering up the basement.

    (This constituted a huge find from an historical perspective, mostly because it so obviously contradicted the prevailing "conventional wisdom" of the time, which had long held that the U.S. annexation of Hawaii was met with near-universal acclaim in the islands. Clearly, it was not.)

    Even 60 years later, hard feelings amongst Native Hawaiians over the loss of their national sovereignty still very much lingered. During the 1959 statehood plebiscite, Native Hawaiians constituted the only ethnic demographic to reject the congressional resolution at the ballot box, and further, they did so by a nearly 15-to-1 margin.

    That's the cold, hard truth about the nature of U.S. socio-economic imperialism as it impacted Native Hawaiians, which is never taught in American history classes. Sorry if that makes some people uncomfortable, but that's just the way it was -- and to a great (and very much under-reported) extent, still is.

    Aloha.

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    Thank you captain kapuna (none / 0) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 07:25:31 PM EST
    but what about the surf report for today bra?

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    Hiram Bingham II was an instigator. (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 01, 2012 at 11:17:01 PM EST
    His son, III, "discovered" Machu Picchu.

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    I posted sometime in the past that ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 05:56:41 PM EST
    ... Mitt Romney's campaign appeared to be channeling Joe Isuzu, the happy-go-lucky prevaricating huckster of late '80s auto commercial fame.

    Well, life once again imitates art, as Joe Isuzu himself (with actor David Liesure reprising his role) hits the campaign trail on Romney's behalf, although I really don't think the candidate himself would much appreciate Isuzu's "effort.".