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I'm starting to make my way through the new discovery in the George Zimmerman case. A lot more was released than I expected. You can read the 284 page document release here. Our forums on the case are here, and again, no character attacks are allowed on anyone involved.

Big Brother begins its new season tonight.

Since I've been offline all day, I haven't yet seen any news. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Kind of a big newsday as far as ... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by magster on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:36:24 PM EST
    ... Mitt being caught between a rock and a hard place about when he quit Bain. If he sticks with he left in 1999, he might be in trouble for filing fake forms. If he left in 2002, he inherits a lot of off-shoring of jobs and $$$ (so shame on YOU Mitt Romney).

    Not a fan of HuffPo, but their headline to link to a story was "BAINFAR+". Made me lol a little.

    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:08:45 PM EST
    I just typed the same thing above without having read as far as your comment, using some of the same words.  Great minds and all that.

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    Growing number of GOP advising Mitt... (none / 0) (#30)
    by magster on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 11:44:35 AM EST
    ... to release his tax returns.

    You knew way back in the primaries that his refusal to release his returns was going to become a big issue sometime, and that sometime is now.

    He should just release them.

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    Another Song w/o Music (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 10:30:58 AM EST
    For my lovely wife. Happy Friday, my sweet. (link)

    Peace & Love to everyone else, have a great weekend.

    That was beautiful man... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 10:46:01 AM EST
    Caught a killer sunset at the beach last evening, I was lost in a heartsick moment sungazing thinking about the special lady, and your poem just brought me back there in a flash.

    Really really beautiful...

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    Gracias, my friend (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 11:51:54 AM EST
    And I hope you see your lady sooner than you think. Or figure a way to get closer permanently. Soak in those tunes this weekend, and a little tequila and tea.  Peace.

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    Working on it... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 11:57:27 AM EST
    but that Johnnies game so close to Humboldt calls too...decisions decisions! ;)

    It's hard sometimes but far from a bad thing ya know...she's always in my heart and mind, which is better than nowhere at all.

    You'll be pleased to know I'm waiting on it (and waiting on it and waiting on it) Coach...over .500 through the first four games, stroking it real nice.  Hope to stay hot tonight and start the party right!

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    That reminds me (none / 0) (#35)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 12:09:18 PM EST
    I gotta re-up my hoop tix in the next few weeks. USF and Stanford just announced at opening night matchup at Oracle Arena -- schedule's already miles ahead of the slop I saw last year.

    And rope that cheese tonight. Clear those bases and clear that beer cooler.  

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    Pacificos on ice... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 01:10:23 PM EST
    packed the doublewide cooler on my lunch hour, fully stocked so as to not go quietly into this good night. Ready to pop a cap, strike a match, and do some living with my living, just like Little Richard taught me.

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    And you can swing by and see me! (none / 0) (#39)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 01:08:08 PM EST
    If ya don't mind wine country that is ;)

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    Just give me..... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 01:14:24 PM EST
    weed, whites, and wine. And I'll be willin', Dallas Alice;)

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    Today's my son's birthday (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 11:21:59 AM EST
    also the birthday of Queen Elizabeth's renowned court astrologer and soothsayer Dr John Dee -- and of course, as previously alluded to, also the birthday of that paragon of infinite patience and matrimonial daring-do, Mrs Dadler (just kidding Dave, I'm one to talk..)

    Peace.

     

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    No birthday for Mrs. Dadler today (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 11:50:34 AM EST
    I just write stuff for her all the time.  Started numbering them a couple of years ago, this one was #382, I think.  She's drowning in my lousy words.  A fate worse than morning breath.  Ahem.  

    And Happy birthday to your son!  

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    Misread the Friday (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 12:01:44 PM EST
    as Birthday. My bad, as the young people say..;-)

    "Every night you carry away my sordid past in your beautiful hands.." (Which I'm sure she does..)

    I just read a poem by the Sufi Hafiz in which he uses that line..Kind of the encapsulates the beauty of love..And I'm sure he'd say "feel free to use it"

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    Great line (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 12:11:01 PM EST
    Perfect.  I feel so inferior now.  Makes me wanna go Kafka and burn all my stuff.  Thanks.  Just kidding.  Mostly. ;-)

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    Maybe that just means (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 12:24:04 PM EST
    you're a good writer, considering that Thomas Aquinas said the same thing about his writing..

    "So much straw.."

    Oh, how we can beat ourselves up..when we forget that art is magic..and the world needs it. Desperately.

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    Query: why do you include (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 12:20:17 PM EST
    the "/"?  

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    couldn't get line breaks (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 04:15:49 PM EST
    For some reason the blog program wouldn't give me line breaks, so I had to put them in.  

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    Wow, really sweet. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Angel on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 12:27:54 PM EST
    Please Post the Photos (none / 0) (#1)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 08:11:45 PM EST
    Jeralyn according to this article
    The new batch of evidence includes nearly 300 pages plus police-dispatch audio and crime-scene photos. Defense attorney Mark O'Mara received it last month.

    I haven't seen the photos yet and I hope you can link to them.  Thanks.

    Added to the Bain story (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by christinep on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 10:46:25 PM EST
    Read article by David Corn in Mother Jones today...article appears well-sourced, comprehensive, yet clear & to the point.  Briefly, further SEC filings show--per Corn--that at key points in 1998, Mr. Romney directly & solely controlled a Bain affiliate, which affiliate invested substantially (10 percent solely Mitt) in a Hong Kong company building a manufacturing plant in China...the company in which Mitt directed approximately 12plus million $$$ openly, via PR press release & otherwise, explicitly stated it's purpose at the plant was to bring in investors to outsource jobs (from the U.S.)

    TPM has been ahead of the curve on this developing story, and is cited by AP as such in it's rundown.  

    My guess is that if & when the Corn finding supplements the Boston Globe stunner, there will be increasing pressure to release the heretofore secret details on further holdings in the Caymans, Switzerland, etc.  This has always been about more than defining how rich Romney is; rather, we may see if the outsourcing practices of Bain are the tip of private holdings that just may show investments in places like--say China-- that Romney has publicly eschewed, perhaps with the upper Midwest in mind???  How would that play not only in Peoria...but, also in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana where so many manufacturing jobs were sent out of the U.S., etc.  Maybe this is Wonderland...for it is getting curioser & curioser.  

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    There has got to be something very... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by magster on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 10:57:56 PM EST
    damaging in his tax returns, because this drip drip about Mitt's offshore accounts and Bain tenure is not going away.

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    That's (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:33:19 PM EST
    what I imagine. There's either something very damaging or there's nothing and he wants everybody to start throwing conspiracy theories out and then he releases them. Who knows?

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    I'm more interested in whether (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:07:44 PM EST
    he committed a felony by falsely claiming total control of Bain to the SEC for those years if he wasn't involved in the company, as he keeps saying he wasn't.

    It is not a trivial matter to file false documents with the SEC.

    The Mittster would appear to be between a rock and a hard place here.  Did he lie to the SEC or to the public as far back as his run for Mass. governor and right up to the present day.

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    Forget Mitt Romney; let's talk about (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:49:10 AM EST
    the heat that's beginning to be turned up on our favorite Treasury Secretary, the inimitable Timothy Geithner.

    What's the heat all about?  Oh, just a little thing like him being president of the NY Fed at the time the LIBOR interest rate-rigging was going on.  

    Did Timmy know about it?  Did he do anything about it?  Well, seems the House Banking Committee's kind of interested in getting some answers to those - and other - questions.  A big problem may be the memo he sent to the Bank of England.

    From the WSJ:

    Timothy Geithner in 2008 sent a private memo to Bank of England Governor Mervyn King calling for six changes that he said would improve the credibility and integrity of the London interbank offered rate, a key interest rate that is now at the center of a international banking scandal, according to documents reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

    At the time the memo was sent, Mr. Geithner was president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and the financial industry was about to enter one of the darkest periods of the financial crisis. Mr. Geithner is now U.S. Treasury secretary. As Mr. Geithner sent the memo to London, U.S. regulators also began conferring about concerns related to possible distortions of Libor and what the impact might be, people familiar with the matter said.

    From Scarecrow over at the FDL News Desk:

    Geithner passed the documents around to anyone who wanted them last night. If there can be something less than the bare minimum, a two-page document to the Bank of England - not the banks implicated in the rate-rigging over which the NY Fed has control, but some other regulator - would be it. He didn't speak out publicly, he didn't use his regulatory power over the banks he had authority and in defense of the stateside financial products calculated using the Libor benchmark rate, he just wrote a memo.

    The memo says that the Bank of England should "eliminate the incentive to misreport" Libor on the part of the banks. So there's no doubt in the minds of the regulators that there was misreporting going on.

    Geithner suggested that the British Banker's Association, which sets the Libor, increase the number of banks submitting their interest rates, and randomly select a subset of the interest rate numbers it received from banks, so that no bank would know if the number they submitted would make it into the calculation. This isn't a bad idea, but here's the thing; nobody carried it out. Geithner knew of wrongdoing and sent his memo, and didn't get anything in the way of follow-up. And how did he respond to THAT? With nothing.

    Will Timmy suddenly realize he needs to spend more time with his family?  Or will this all get whitewashed and glossed over?

    I guess we'll see soon enough.

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    My working theory; glossed over (none / 0) (#25)
    by sj on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 09:53:33 AM EST
    No whitewashing required.  Incredibly, I don't know a single person in RL who is paying attention to this.

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    RL? (none / 0) (#44)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 06:12:47 PM EST
    real life (none / 0) (#45)
    by sj on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 06:55:55 PM EST
    Three Pinocchios (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 06:34:02 AM EST
    from WaPo

    As we wrote yesterday, we are standing with our assessment that Mitt Romney left the helm of Bain Capital in 1999, when he left to run the Salt Lake City Olympics. The date is important because some questionable investments by Bain took place between 1999 and 2002, when he ran for governor. But a Boston Globe article on Thursday raised new questions about that timeline, citing SEC filings, and the Obama campaign jumped to take advantage of it.

    Despite the furor, we did not see much new in the Globe article. We had examined many SEC documents related to Romney and Bain in January, and concluded that much of the language saying Romney was "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president" was boilerplate that did not reveal whether he was actually managing Bain at the time. (For instance, there is no standard definition of a "chief executive," securities law experts say, and there is no requirement for anyone to have any responsibilities even if they have that title.)

     The one thing new we saw in the Globe story was the assertion that "Romney's state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain `executive' in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings." But then we realized we had already reviewed those documents in January. The 2001 form describes him as a "former executive" (see page 1 of form A-5) -- the campaign says this was retirement pay -- but the 2002 form says "executive." So either you believe he suddenly rejoined the firm, after leaving it, or someone made a typo.

    And they conclude:

    The SEC documents, especially the ones Romney signed, do raise some questions. One can certainly argue that because Romney did not fully extricate himself from Bain till after his Olympic sojourn ended, he should bear some responsibility for what happened in that period. But that is an entirely different matter than suggesting that he is a potential criminal. It is more of a PR problem, which the Obama campaign is trying to exploit to build a larger case that Romney is secretive.

    We were tempted to award this claim Four Pinocchios, but the documents with his signature leave some room for inquiry.

    Still, if the Obama campaign wants to put its money where its mouth is, it should immediately lodge a complaint about Romney's financial disclosure form, filed just last year, rather than try to mislead people about potential violations in relatively unimportant SEC documents.



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    Mr. "fact checker" seems to be at odds (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by christinep on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 07:15:24 AM EST
    With other columnists & stories in his own newspaper.  After the Boston Globe investigation and the David Korn Mother Jones' article and the further look that undoubtedly will generate...those clippings will be outdated as the holes in the dike are multiplying.  

    Seriously, even Politico is starting to showbsome jitters.  Who knows...other than to say Mr Romney & associates are notngoing to be able to ride this out without some proof to the contrary.  Perhaps, opening up the financials a bit more?  My guess:  there may be more of a "China" connection than his 1998 investment in the outsourcing-directed operation , a tie that could be a big political setback in the electoral-rich manufacturing states in the upper Midwest.  

    I'm afraid, jbindc, that the SEC imbroglio is more than an idle threat to Romney's goals.  For one thing, the media now have a big story to pursue...and, the doubts that will be left in that wake.... Well, as you know, that's an example of the hardball politics that you touch on from time to time.

    BTW, since you keep track of "pinnochios," as both Dems & Repubs do, how about the four Pinnochios awarded the Romney's truncated ad attempt to brand the WH as an "Outsourcer" you-do-it-too thing!

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    Christine, while you made (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 11:30:13 PM EST
     reference to Romney's 1998 "China" outsourcing plan, I'd just like to add a little more to it.

    Outsourcing goes on all the time. The American public knows about it, doesn't like it, but seems to have begrudgingly accepted it. It's just another way rich people screw over working folks here.

    But, that's not what Romney's plan was about, simply outsourcing. He pledged millions of his own dollars to build a plant over there, dedicated to manufacturing products of American businesses. He wanted to streamline the process, and not have to go through the red tape of dealing with Chinese factory owners. He wanted to set up a one-stop, turn-key, outsourcing superhighway to take today's cumbersome outsourcing of American jobs and turn into tomorrows supercharged, outsourcing-on-steroids.

    And, that might just be the slap in the face of America's workers that even Rush Limbaugh won't be able to twist into something good.  

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    Good perspective, NYShooter (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by christinep on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 03:23:47 PM EST
    I hadn't looked at nit that way.  Your point makes sense.  And, it also brings to mind another slant here when we recollect that a situation or an issue may have a combo of motives & reveal a combo of matters that may influence an outcome.

    Here: 1.  We could probably agree that a number of voters may become less trusting of one who promises more jobs when his own history shows a range of job erasure/dismantling topped off with shipping said jobs abroad.  If the recipient is China, that looks especially bad in this cycle's election dynamics.  Charges about the level of Romney's involvement in outsourcing substantial jobs & about the timing (SEC official filings, filings in Mass., etc conflicting with his denials) will reverberate...perhaps going unanswered, but predictably raising doubts.  We do know that Romney enjoyed six-figure $$$ annually from Bain after 1999 alleged departure...that kind of factoid always leads to questions from people about why someone would get that kind of money for nothing, etc.  2.  I'm also guessing that more than a few people are thinking that Romney was trying to have it both wAys (at least.). But,hey, that is not so unusual in big business nor in politics nor in lots of places.  This matter has dogged him for a long while; he knew it would be a line of attack this year.  Why is he running from Bain so hard....because most people by now have heard & probably don't believe the gymnastics that are of a piece that "where there's smoke, there's fire.".

    What is in his financial records that could be so much worse than the present dripping doubts that continue???  It isn't only that he is mega-rich, for everyone already knows that...and, for those who chase the $$$, vast wealth might only reinforce his positives.  3  Maybe it is the "who" more than the "what" that it is more important to hide?  Though we all know that he pals around with the Koch & Trump $$$ boys.  But, he won't release the names of his bundlers.  That is fascinating...and, could it be embarrassing?  Similarly, could the nature of his investments in all those foreign locales be embarrassing politically in terms of who might be
    associated with them as well as the high $$$ amount invested outside this country?

    A political puzzle that is quite complicated because...because it may be quite easy if we consider that Romney might be sowing the results of all these tight compartments that are now spilling beyond their edges.  It ain't pretty to watch a person twisting while denying involvement in an operation that he once hyped as his own superior job-creator.  If Romney wasn't involved in Bain after February 1999--a claim that would be at odds with his multiple SEC filings & which would certainly then call for proffering evidence to support that claim--what does he think today about the work of Bain, his onetime proud company, during it's extensive stepped-up outsourcing campaign, practice in the years immediately after his exit?  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:14:40 AM EST
    BTW, since you keep track of "pinnochios," as both Dems & Repubs do, how about the four Pinnochios awarded the Romney's truncated ad attempt to brand the WH as an "Outsourcer" you-do-it-too thing!

    Which just proves that they are BOTH d@mn liars.

    And as the FactChecker said (and several other news sources, including ABC NEWS) - if the Obama administration truly thinks a felony was committed, instead of putting it in a negative campaign ad, then we should expect to see criminal charges filed.

    Since that has happened (and since the ad wasn't made just yesterday), one can only conclude that it's all a bunch of BS.


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    Since that HASN'T happened (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:15:11 AM EST
    In other words - put up or shut up, Dems.

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    Kessler is getting a mite defensive (none / 0) (#42)
    by christinep on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 03:15:21 PM EST
    For one thing, the SEC filings create a presumption...especially in the eye of the public as well as legally.  Romney is the one in the position to provide rebuttal following the investigative reporting done to date.  As for filing complaints in the heat of a campaign, that could be questionable for a number of reasons since it might invite a counter attack of misuse of government authority to chill the opposition...and, I suspect Kessler knows that as his fingers grasp for an argument.

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    Also (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 06:37:35 AM EST
    Factcheck.org

    Since then some other reporters have weighed in on Obama's side. Articles in Mother Jones magazine and the Talking Points Memo website, and most recently a front-page Boston Globe story on July 12, all cite documents filed by Bain with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    The TPM piece noted that in documents from July 2000 and February 2001 Romney listed his "principal occupation" as "Managing Director" of Bain, for example. And the Globe story reported that Bain repeatedly listed him on government filings as the man in charge.

    On a media conference call about the Globe story, Stephanie Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager, said the story proves that Romney had "full control" of Bain during this time and "therefore directly responsible" for decisions made at companies in which Bain invested. "Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony. Or he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments," Cutter said.

    But we see little new in any of these SEC filings, and a University of Pennsylvania Law School professor we spoke to sees no basis for the Obama campaign's claim that Romney committed a felony.

    Jeebus - there's enough to go after Romney for on real honest-to-goodness bad things.  Why do they keep trying to throw spaghetti against the wall and seeing what sticks?

    There's only one answer - they can't point to their own accomplishments.

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    "Fact-checking" agencies (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by observed on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:17:42 PM EST
    are Orwellian. It's the press's job to find and report the facts themselves!
    Factcheck.org has a poor record of accurate and unbiased reporting---about as good as a small town rag. They have no special credibility.

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    Ricky the 135 photos (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34:42 PM EST
    are all of houses in the neighborhood, taken in March. I don't have a link to them and the file is too large to upload. I'll look for a link.

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    Is there any "there" there? (none / 0) (#14)
    by unitron on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:56:48 PM EST
    Do those pictures reveal anything about the houses other than that they are houses?

    Is there really anything to be gained by going through them all?

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    there's always something to be gained (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 01:47:35 AM EST
    There are photos showing the 8 yellow markers in one place.

    You can see the downslope from the houses that back up to the "T" (like the Teacher's)

    I think they are significant because they were taken in late March, after the FDLE took over. So the choices of photos may be a clue to the story they want to tell. For example, there are several closeups of the break between houses at 1251  TTL, showing the path one would take from the front side of the houses to the shared backyard at 1251 Twin Trees Lane. In an early video interview with Tracy Martin, he said he thought Trayvon came in through the front gate (not the shortcut) turned down the front of Twin Trees Lane and then cut over at the break between houses to the shared path. (The question then, would be which way did Trayvon go when he reached the shared path: to the right which would take him home or the left which would take him back up to the T. I wrote about that possibility here .

    There's a lot of photos of the Teacher's house at the top of the T, and some of what seems to be the back of either 2841 (W#1 and 2) or 2831 Retreat View Circle which shows a heavily enclosed patio making it hard to see anything from it unless one went outside.

    So the photos may show a clue to their thinking. The photos are so large (some 3,000 pixels, the rest over 2,000 pixels) that I don't have a place to upload them all to.

    I will try to upload some to photobucket over the next several days, but I have a pretty busy work schedule and weekend.

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    Fed civil rights investigation clears Zimmerman (none / 0) (#3)
    by Zundel on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:46:43 PM EST
    The Chicago Tribune reports that "Federal civil-rights investigators interviewed dozens of George Zimmerman's friends, neighbors and co-workers, and no one said he was a racist."

    FBI agents talked to three dozen people "including gun-shop employees, Zimmerman's ex-fiancée and the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin...

    "None said he or she had ever known him to show racial bias."

    Chris Serino "told agents he thought Zimmerman had pursued Trayvon 'based on his attire' and not 'skin color.' Zimmerman, he said, has a 'little hero complex' but is not a racist."

    "Co-workers also said they saw no signs of ethnic or racial bias."

    "Zimmerman's ex-fiancée, who filed a domestic-violence injunction against him in 2005, described Zimmerman as 'protective and territorial' toward her and 'having a bad temper,' but he was no racist."

    Freeh report on Penn State cover-up (none / 0) (#4)
    by desmoinesdem on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:48:16 PM EST
    is here (pdf). Very depressing reading. Paterno was deeply involved in making sure police were not called earlier. Top university officials were aware, did nothing. Many of the victims will suffer long-lasting mental and physical health problems.

    to clarify (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by desmoinesdem on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:50:51 PM EST
    the Freeh report did not conclude that Sandusky's victims will suffer long-lasting health problems, but research on victims of childhood sexual abuse has found that to be the case a lot of the time. Freeh found "A striking lack of empathy for child abuse victims by the most senior leaders of the University" and

    A decision by Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley to allow Sandusky to retire in 1999, not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy, with future "visibility" at Penn State and ways "to continue to work with young people through Penn State," essentially granting him license to bring boys to campus facilities for "grooming" as targets for his assaults. Sandusky retained unlimited access to University facilities until November 2011.


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    Listening to sportsradio today... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by magster on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 09:58:20 PM EST
    ... the question of whether Penn State football should get the SMU death penalty treatment, as this cover up far exceeds the recruiting violations that get the other college programs in trouble (I mean compare this to Ohio State's tattoo-gate). But the flipside is the wrongdoing is isolated to a handful of folks, and the players, academic counselors, trainers, etc. who would suffer for the sins of a few is not fair. Plus, the football revenue can sweeten the pot for the settlement to the victims...

    Kind of lean against the football program suspension, but that position sure seems to be at odds with the punishments doled out for programs that cheat a little as opposed to covering up a serial child molester.

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    You're right, not fair (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 11:12:22 PM EST
    to everybody else at Penn State, but it does seem as though there needs to be a much broader penalty in order to get the attention of everybody in a university like this.  Those maroons clearly didn't have much concern about potential criminal liability for their cover-up, never mind the continued victimization of innocent kids.

    There really should be absolute zero tolerance for this both for the individuals involved and for the institution they lead, IMO.


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    The penalty... (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by unitron on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 12:00:00 AM EST
    ...should be one that gets the attention of everybody at every college and university, one that sends a clear message that this will not be tolerated, period.

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    Imo, (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by lentinel on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 04:52:32 AM EST
    the individuals involved should be fired, brought up on charges, and if convicted be sentenced to lengthy jail terms.

    I always get the impression that these institutions - like corporations - like government institutions - like religious institutions - function on the theory that they are above the law. Or at least that they are subject to a more lenient application of the law than the average citizen. They are somehow more noble, more sacred, than the average lowlife predator.

    We are given a photo of the guilty party looking all glum - with a text that implies that the public disgrace is enough punishment for the person or the institution involved. We are offered a most sincere apology. They will learn from their mistakes. And then they want us to go away.

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    Summer Concert Series... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 08:56:22 AM EST
    It's a monster weekend in the summer concert series folks...on tap is the Great South Bay Music Festival with Dave Mason headlining tonight, off to Coney Isle Saturday for another dose of Furthur, then back to the bay Sunday for the last day of the festival.  3 days of music on the water...god bless America.

    It was a tough call for Saturday...gonna suck to miss M.O.E. and Tea Leaf Green at the fest, but Furthur is a special case, Lesh and Weir are gonna part ways and do their own thangs for awhile so it had to be done, one more time...they're too tight, too f*ckin' good.

    Added bonus of NALC softball action after work before hitting the fest, team looks good, 4-0 out the gate in 1st place.  

    Summer rules!

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