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Althouse: Romney Birther Joke Not Racist, Just A Little Harmless McCarthyism

In a comment in her post defending Romney's birther joke, Ann Althouse writes:

What we're talking about -- or really just feeling -- is that Obama might not be sufficiently American. That's what Romney found a way to say with a smile. It's not about "defending" Romney for telling the joke or explaining the joke. Something has been made a topic: Obama's insufficient commitment to American values.

I see. It's mot an appeal to racists, just a little McCarthyism. All better.

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    American Values? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 09:37:10 AM EST
    I guess that means "conservative values" which they believe are the only "American Values". These people are just downright creepy.

    Racist and Bully (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 09:40:13 AM EST
    Romney's jokes tend to be not only racist but have the mark of a lifetime bully. The "youthful" bullying never went away.  

    Interesting take down of Mr. Romney from the Economist today http://www.economist.com/node/21560864?frsc=dg%7Ca.

    50 shades of grey w/o the sex. (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:05:35 PM EST
    Good line.  

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    Nobody has asked whether the church (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by observed on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 09:43:10 AM EST
    Obama attends belongs to a Christian denomination.

    Althouse (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Addison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 10:13:56 AM EST
    What we're talking about -- or really just feeling -- is that Obama might not be sufficiently American. That's what Romney found a way to say with a smile. It's not about "defending" Romney for telling the joke or explaining the joke. Something has been made a topic: Obama's insufficient commitment to American values.

    Wow, she even uses "we" to take ownership of it. Amazing. And then the, "it's been made a topic" deployed as an excuse? Yes, it's been made a topic, by Romney, and the topic is being described accurately as disgustingly bottom-feeding.

    Not "sufficiently" American, eh? And values? Is that MLK's America, FDR's America, Chavez's America, Nixon's America, Emma Goldman's America, Lincoln's America? We know the answer, it's Ann's America -- the only America she recognizes as legitimate. What a navel-gazing fool she is.

    A navel gazing fool (none / 0) (#45)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 02:50:24 PM EST
    like all Conservatives.  These people are unAmerican.

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    A quote from someone at the event (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 10:23:18 AM EST
    From  today's Orlando Sentinel (sorry, story is not in the online edition)

    "Robert Hoffmeyer, 70, a former dental technician, said he was thrilled to see Romney show his aggressive side with the birth certificate Joke. "I loved it", said Hoffmeyer, who added that he did not think Obama had "been vetted by the press. I haven't heard that before. It was good - just say it and then leave it alone. Throw it out there. Everybody knew what he was sying, and that's why they responded."

    They know exactly what they are doing. As Charlie Pierce says, the dog whistles could summon Seamus from heaven at this point.

    Dog Whistle? (none / 0) (#23)
    by boar d laze on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:51:18 PM EST
    Train whistle is more like it.  Maybe fog horn.

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    Show and Tell (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by the capstan on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 10:33:59 AM EST
    So maybe he has not been asked to show his birth certificate, but he surely has been asked to show his tax returns.  Obama did both--now it is your turn, Mr. Romney.

    Althouse is really scrambling (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by shoephone on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:23:50 AM EST
    She offers this further "defense" in her comments:

    There's also the fact that the state Obama was born in is Hawaii... so immensely far from the rest of the country (and, at the time of his birth, only recently a state).

    If there's one thing I can't stand, it's blatant stupidity.

    Gawd (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 02:56:39 PM EST
    So according to Althouse the extent of one's Americanism is based on when the state you were born in became a state.  That makes people born in the original thirteen states (most of which are blue) more American than say those born in Arizona or Oklahoma or Utah or Wyoming or Alaska.


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    Well, considering that Obama is a descendant (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 03:58:15 PM EST
    of pilgrim Thomas Blossom, who arrived in MA nine years after the Mayflower landed (only because the Mayflower's companion boat, which Blossom had boarded the same day as the Mayflower departure, sprung a leak and had to return to England) I'd have no qualms telling Ann Althouse exactly where she can stick her own birth certificate.

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    Odds are (none / 0) (#49)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 10:08:02 PM EST
    Obama has a direct line ancestor or kinsman who fought in the American Revolution.

    I don't know about Romney but Paul Ryan and probably Rush Limbaugh can't say that.

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    As if Massachusetts (none / 0) (#15)
    by lilburro on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:32:07 AM EST
    isn't generally regarded by these types as a free-floating and godless liberal impostor.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 10:04:02 PM EST
    And Boston that liberal hell where for all intents and purposes the United States was born.

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    Lol. Exactly. n/t (none / 0) (#52)
    by lilburro on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 12:20:55 AM EST
    She's missing the more ... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:39:13 AM EST
    obvious spin.  Back in '08, the Obama campaign seemed uncomfortable with the notion that he was raised in Hawaii and did and said things that left many with the false impression that he was raised in Chicago.  Whereas, Romney has never hid from his connection to Michigan.

    This seems the more obvious spin.  And fits much better with Romney's statements.

    Of course, this would require Althouse to have a memory and a good head for spin.  Neither of which she has ever possessed.

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    What? (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:58:26 AM EST
    That's complete nonsense.

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    You have a poor memory ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:57 PM EST
    Obama's traditional stump speech that he used through most of 2007 and into 2008 with few changes, featured three uses of Illinois or Chicago and no references to Honolulu or Hawaii.  He would also occasionally put in a line about his mother being from Kansas.

    In the 2008 Convention speech, references to Chicago and Illinois were gone, Hawaii still gone, and the only state he used in reference to his personal story was Kansas.  

    Romney doesn't as slavishly stick to one speech.  But, in general, his stump speech features two or three uses of Michigan and one or zero uses of Massachusetts.

    This is all done for very specific effects.  And is entirely transparent to anyone who knows how political speech making is done.

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    You are being foolish (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:32:01 PM EST
    Obama lived most of his adult life in Chicago.

    My gawd some of you are just  well, I won;t say it.

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    Jumped above your pay grade ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 05:53:24 PM EST
    did the 500 level analysis when I should of stuck to the 100.

    I always forget not everyone grew up around presidential speech writers.

    This kind of stuff got talked about around the dinner table before I wore long pants.  It gets ingrained deep.

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    Maybe you missed this. (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 04:34:29 PM EST
    Link

    If Obama can joke about it, then Romney can joke about it.

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    The difference (none / 0) (#40)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 07:23:24 PM EST
    See i you can tell the difference between Obama joking about it to poke fun at the birthers, Fox News and Donald Trump, versus Romney throwing red meat to the birthers in the Republican/Tea Party.

    It's pretty easy.

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    At the very least (none / 0) (#50)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 10:13:33 PM EST
    Romney spoke in poor taste but my bet is it's another deliberate - Obama isn't American thing.

    But I see you're taking your ques from the right-wing machine.  The pathetic case you're trying to make has been repeated by quite a number of other right-wingers.

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    Jimakawhat-Hannity-said-last-night.. (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:46:12 PM EST
    so, what else is new?

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    yes, in Chicago (none / 0) (#42)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 04:58:32 AM EST
    by a single mother on food stamps.

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    Sufficient support of American values (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by vicndabx on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:30:06 AM EST
    Has long been an "issue" for the brown and black in this country.

    put your race card (none / 0) (#41)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 04:46:58 AM EST
    back in the deck.  "insufficient support for American values" is a charge that has been leveled at all kinds of people, people on the left, feminists, war protestors etc...

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    Heh (none / 0) (#43)
    by vicndabx on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 07:54:01 AM EST
    my "race card"

    Sure thing Ann.

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    Geez teresa (none / 0) (#51)
    by cal1942 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 10:17:02 PM EST
    "insufficient support for American values" is what I say about Conservatives and other right-wingers.

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    Is it still a "dog whistle" if we can (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 04:26:07 PM EST
    hear it?

    I don't think so.  I think, at some point, it's just the next rung down on a campaign that's going to be about as ugly as any we've seen - I look for the GOP convention to get things really going.  And imagine how frustrated they'll be if Isaac interferes with their plans...

    In the absence of a candidate who would get the media time to point out the flaws of both the major parties, it would be nice to have a media that would call out the major-party BS, and ask Romney, for example, how putting America back on the gold standard (something that's going to get some consideration, apparently) won't do for the US what the euro did for Europe - as in "nothing good," and ask Obama how he expects the US economy to thrive under austerity when the lesson of Europe should have us running, screaming, from it.

    The joke there is on me, because that's never, ever going to happen.

    I have been wondering (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by lilburro on Sun Aug 26, 2012 at 09:35:58 AM EST
    if this campaign is going to be worse than McCain-Palin's in terms of dog whistles and overtly racist official comments.  The "Anglo-Saxon" charge is about as breath-taking as anything I can remember from McCain-Palin, who preferred to brew up more juvenile insults.  I called it country club racism, and I think we'll see more of it, esp. because it doesn't seem to me these people realize they are pushing buttons.  They probably are never or rarely corrected for this kind of thing in their social circles.  How uncouth of us little people to bring these objections up now.

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    That was a joke? On what planet? (4.33 / 6) (#1)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 09:30:13 AM EST
    Oh. the one Ann Althouse lives on.  Where "smiling" means one is joking, so I guess from here on, whatever Romney says with a smile must be the stand-up comedy part of his "act."  Okay, then.

    The real joke has nothing to do with the content of Romney's comment.  It has to do with the fact that, no matter how Republican - oops, I mean "consistent with American values" - Obama is or has been - on war, on secrecy, on catering to the wealthy and Wall Street, on the housing market, his embrace and respect for long-standing conservative ideas on the economy, being proud of being willing to cut the safety net, expanding the intrusion into all of our lives in the name of "keeping America safe," etc. - he is still, four years later, being branded as not sufficiently American for Republicans like Romney and twits like Althhouse.

    Will this bait Obama into doubling down on proving his American bona-fides as Republicans always define them?  That would be his usual response - it hurts his feelings, it seems, when no matter what he does to get them to like him, they still won't let him sit at the Cool Kids table; we'll see what he does in campaign mode.

    If he takes the approach that he and Mitt are both good Americans who want the same things and just disagree on how to accomplish them, I won't be shocked.  That will just give credibility to the Republican agenda, and that, for me, is the worst way to respond.

    And there will be nothing funny about it.

    Best comment... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by heidelja on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:19:12 PM EST
    ...for Romney's "birther" joke found on Facebook is (CBS article "Romney says "birther" joke wasn't a swipe at Obama"):
    Hey Mitt, how many wives do you have? (just a little humor there, Bud)



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    My comment... (none / 0) (#5)
    by heidelja on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 10:03:00 AM EST
    ...to skinhead Florida governor Rick Scott & CBS News:

    Romney is such an out of touch moron! Has he been tested for drugs lately? [Note RS is an advocate that ALL state employees, etc be drug tested by a testing group he owns.]

    Romney obviously does not know that Floridians are being told when attempting in person to RENEW their driver's license they've had for over 40 years are REQUIRED to show their birth certificate AND Social Security card! And then for good measure they need to show their land deed! Why does ANYONE applying for the first time to be the President of the USA not have to do the same?

    Actually, Flordians in Brevard County are told of this REQUIREMENT and then handed a flier to the b****t website gathergetgo.com to learn more .... which says nothing of the sort, but instead attempts to sell you driving courses. Nor have I yet seen any of these new CITIZENSHIP requirements on the official Florida website myflorida.com.

    What does showing these "required" items get you to be able to drive legally? A STAR on your driver's license making you a certified resident of Florida, by all appearances! Still likely not good enough to get a USPS post office box which asks you for the same insane identifying information! [Whether it does anything for you with the border Nazis when coming "home" from Canada, we'll have to wait and see!]

    O, and by the way, everyone KNOWS I was born at Mary Greeley Hosipital in Ames, Iowa!



    Fallen off the bandwagon? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 10:27:55 AM EST
    Althouse was such a huge Obama fan in '08 ... wondering if this is her way of laying the groundwork for a switch to Romney.

    Groundwork? (none / 0) (#10)
    by gaf on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 10:52:27 AM EST
    No Groundwork!!

    AnnA hasn't been an Obama fan since 2009 or so.


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    That was fast (none / 0) (#30)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:44:48 PM EST
    I don't read her blog, but it's not very surprising.

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    Althouse voting record (none / 0) (#35)
    by Politalkix on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 02:23:35 PM EST
    I do not know much about her or her blog but a little googling revealed that she had voted for Clinton, Gore, Bush (eeks!!) and was open to voting for the "inevitable" (her words) HRC or Giuliani in 2007 before being convinced to vote for Obama in the Wisconsin primaries and the 2008 GE. It seems she was also not that averse to voting for McCain either and there is conjecture that Palin may have dissuaded her from casting a vote for McCain.


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    We can only go by her own words (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 07:57:21 AM EST
    As no one was in the voting booth with her

    I'm independent, moderate, and pragmatic, and I voted for you in 2008 because I thought I saw those qualities in you. I still see those qualities in you, but the you that has those qualities is one of two Obamas, and the other Obama -- Radical Lefty Obama -- is a person I will not vote for.

    You can decide for yourself if you think her assessment is fair or not.

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    Romney is doing such ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:03:41 AM EST
    a good job of losing this thing.  That you'd almost think he was doing it on purpose.

    But that would be crazy talk. Because American elections are never rigged. Nope, never. ;)

    And yet (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 07:58:19 AM EST
    He's within the margin of error, tied, or in some polls, leading.  IS he "losing" this thing?

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    Bain = America? (none / 0) (#13)
    by lilburro on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 11:29:07 AM EST
    Other than being white, excuse me, Anglo-Saxon, what does Romney really have going on that makes him more "American"?  Obama loves sports (generally important as a signifier of Americanness to these people) and comes from a far less privileged background.  Neither of them served or owned a "small business."  Obama is "more likeable" according to every poll conducted in the US for months.  To my knowledge Bo has never been strapped to the top of a car, that seems like a solid American value.

    Who do they think they're fooling??

    I like the part (none / 0) (#20)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:30:53 PM EST
    where she discusses the "American value" of "capitalism." Too bad she didn't say where in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution that value is enshrined.

    I think we have a bunch (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:47:49 PM EST
    of birtherphobes around here.

    lol


    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:49:53 PM EST
    racism is not popular at TalkLeft.

    The Althouse blog is the place for that Jim.

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    Uh, let me see (2.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:17:51 PM EST
    The basic claim, from 2008 was that it was racist to refer to his middle name because someone might think that he was a Muslim.

    Of course "Muslim" is not a race, so that didn't pass muster.

    Now we have had Obama making a joke about the birther nonsense and that's okay.

    Along comes Romney, who has previously declared he thinks Obama was born here, and he makes a joke and that is racist???

    Okay fine.

    I mean the things I learn from BTD.

    ;-)

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    Not worthy of response (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:22:56 PM EST
    Not "birtherphobes" (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 12:54:56 PM EST
    Just don't appreciate the humor in perpetuating a lie with racial under/overtones.

    Strange that a "social liberal" would find it amusing.

    "LOL"!

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    How is this racist? (none / 0) (#31)
    by jmacWA on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:54:35 PM EST
    It might be in poor taste, but I do not see how what Romney said can be thought of as racist.  

    Can someone enlighten me?

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    No (5.00 / 9) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 01:56:42 PM EST
    No one can enlighten you.

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    Nope, you have to do the heavy lifting (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Towanda on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 02:07:58 PM EST
    yourself to be an enlightened person.

    Some things cannot be taught.  Things that have been told again and again.  That means that the problem is not in the senders but in the receiver.

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    I didn't say ... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Yman on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 02:21:45 PM EST
    ... his comment was racist, per se - but he's playing to a lie with racial under/overtones popular among birthers.

    Here's a starting place.

    More.


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    ok BTD, explain to me, again, how someone (none / 0) (#36)
    by cpinva on Sat Aug 25, 2012 at 03:55:43 PM EST
    of ms. althouse's demonstrably shallow intellectual heft managed to, a. get in and out of any accredited law school., and b. actually be engaged as a law professor, in any accredited law school?