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    Loved it when he kept asking (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:35:46 PM EST
    'What is the joke then, I don't get it. '  they can't answer.

    What exactly is supposed to be funny, if it is not a 'he's not American' joke at Obama's expense? No one can explain that.  when Obama joked about it, he was making fun of the birthers. Is Romney making fun of the birthers? Doubt it.

    The incident itself was annoying. The denial of it is getting infuriating, with people like Tom Brokaw playing dumb.  

    The joke is (1.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 09:53:17 PM EST

    Obama can make a birther joke and that's OK.  Romney makes a birther joke and that is annoying to liberals.  That's really funny.

    BTW did you notice how racist Mathews has become?  Just mention welfare or food stamps and the first thing that pops into his head is black people!

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    As I said - Obama was making fun of (5.00 / 7) (#78)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:07:56 PM EST
    the birthers, Romney was not. If you really can't see that huge difference you might just have a future as chair of the GOP.

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    The difference is obvious (1.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 07:10:14 AM EST
    .

    Obama was poking fun at birthers.  Romney was poking fun at those that become apoplectic when he so much as tangentially touches the subject.  

    Both got laughs.  If you can't see the humor in each, that is your problem.

    .

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    Romney was making fun ... (5.00 / 3) (#102)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 07:17:55 AM EST
    ... of Republicans?

    Heh.

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    He was reminding some of his base (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 08:42:14 AM EST
    That is pained by having a black President and generates lies about him to discredit his authority in their own minds, that he feels their pain.

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    Are you related to Mathews? (1.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:41:18 PM EST

    Does the first thing that pops into your head when you hear the words, "birth certificate" have something to do with black people?

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    Every once in a while... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:41:42 PM EST
    Matthews is brilliant. One inteview that comes to mind was when he was grilling the Archbishop of Rhode Island about "if you think abortion is murder, are you going to throw young women in prison's all their life? Execute them? Even if they're raped?" etc.

    Left the Archbishop stammering...

    Maybe Matthews was getting jealous of Soledad O'Brien laying the wood so effectively on GOP jerks.

    BTW: Every once in a while is not nearly (none / 0) (#6)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:48:20 PM EST
    often enough. It's frustrating to see Matthews do this so effectively every once in a while, and then be as bad as everyone else the rest of the time.

    It's probably all about access and big names. No GOP'er will go on Maddow's show, and likely won't on Matthew's show if Matthews doesn't stage a similar rant on a Dem in the near future.

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    Absolutely right (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:07:44 PM EST
    Which is why I stopped watching him a long time ago. But nice to see this in a timely manner.

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    I dunno ... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 09:10:08 PM EST
    After asking the question - sharply - say, twice, Chris might have stopped berating Priebus for long enough for him to offer whatever feeble answer he might try.  By just endlessly shouting him down, Matthews lost my sympathy, even though I agreed with what he was saying.  It gave Priebus the out of acting the wounded victim, as he did.  I can see how the R's, who love to claim victimhood, would like this clip.

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    Peter, I'm assuming (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:18:07 AM EST
    you don't watch too much of Chris Matthews on TV. "Talking over" his guest's (victim's?) attempts at answering a question, a question  Mathew's himself poses, is his stock in trade.

    It's a shame, really, because Chris can be passionate, and intellectually perceptive. But, his  maddengly boorish, not to mention, over-the-top, rude and counterproductive technique, has caused me to simply avoid watching any more of his tantrums. I can't tell you how many times I've "clicked off" his program out of sheer frustration.

    I find myself yelling at the screen, "what is the matter with you?" "Where is the Producer/Director?" "I really, really want to hear the guest's answer. "

    Like I said, it is just too frustrating.


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    Correct, I do not watch (none / 0) (#121)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:51:31 AM EST
    any such TV.  But something TL recommends to me, and praises, I thought might be worth a moment of my time.  My reaction was given above @ #70.  It just reminded me that such "entertainment" is a total waste, and certainly not enlightening or informative to the public.  I couldn't see what my fellow TL-community members liked in this clip.

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    He let Preibus give his feeble reply (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:11:30 PM EST
    which as I recall had two components. 1 - hey, Obama joked about the birth certificate himself! what's the big deal? and 2- the media is always telling politicians to lighten up, and then when they do they get hammered.  These overflowed even Matthews' capacity to endure stupid discourse.

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    The part I liked from Chris (none / 0) (#91)
    by ZtoA on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:49:27 PM EST
    was asking what was "European" about Obama's policies. Yes, what makes them 'foreign'? Obama's policies are so not european. This is supposed to mean they are socialist. But where are they getting this from?

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    Matthews reaffirmed the racial quality.. (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:13:27 PM EST
    ... of the attacks on Obama on Chris Jansing's show later today.

    Ya don't think (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:14:56 PM EST
    it's because he's getting that tingling sensation again, do you?

    He luvs him some Obama.  Why is this a surprise?

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    No, I don't think... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:32:03 PM EST
    And that's because these attacks are racist. Matthews is not the only one who thinks so either. He's just the first one on live cable TV to confront a high level GOP'er directly to his face with it.

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    Exactly how are they racist? (1.80 / 5) (#25)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:52:55 PM EST
    Liberals IMHO are a little quick to throw the racism  charge around.

    "Gonna put you all back in chains"

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    Actually, they're not quick enough... (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:58:57 PM EST
    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 08:36:25 PM EST
    I have to agree with Slado about that idiotic Biden "chains" comment.
    If it wasn't racist, which I think it was, the best you can say is that it was d@mn stupid.

    Anything anybody wants to say about these pathetically stupid republicans is OK with me.

    But the democrats don't smell so good either.

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    Brokaw is such (5.00 / 6) (#41)
    by cal1942 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:38:18 PM EST
    an a$$.  He had just ripped off a litany of GOP perfidy and then without citing even one example he said 'and it comes the other way from Democrats and that's why the American people are fed up with politics.'

    He just had to get the false equivalence meme in place.  It's the Brokaws of our media world who over the years helped the GOP get away with their slide into a radical right-wing cult.

    Thats Why People Are Fed Up With The MSM (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by john horse on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:58:19 PM EST
    re: Brokaw
    and it comes the other way from Democrats and that's why the American people are fed up with politics.

    It doesn't come the other way and thats why people are fed up with the mainstream media.

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    Why WE'RE fed up with them (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by cal1942 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 07:42:58 PM EST
    I hear people repeating the equivalence meme every day and, IMO, they're getting much of it from network news.

    When Brokaw says people are fed up with politics he doesn't get that network news "balance" (if one side's bad the other must be bad) is at the root of people's confusion and bewilderment with today's politics.

    Network news was never perfect but in a bygone day Senator dumba$$ was often held to account when the media presented factual information after Senator dumba$$ spoke.  Today Republicans can go before the cameras without fear that their bullsh!t will be challenged.


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    I'm still waiting for someone to explain (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by boar d laze on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:52:16 AM EST
    If Romney's comment was a joke, what was funny?  

    Joke shmoke.  Whether stated as humor or not:    Racist is racist.  Birther is birther.  Birther is racist.  


    I have to think that (4.75 / 4) (#1)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:28:44 PM EST
    Jimmy Fallon will soon be adding Reince Priebus to his repertoire...if he hasn't already.

    I've watched this clip several times today, and each time, Priebus seems smarmier; he has a look on his face that makes me think the GOP thinks the combination of birtherism and racism is a winning strategy.

    It pains me to realize that they're just getting started, and we have over two months of increasingly ugly campaigning ahead.

    What shocks me is how (2.60 / 5) (#26)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:54:51 PM EST
    casually some would throw the racism charge around.

    Do you really think that Republicans are racist?

    I'm republican, I support most of their platforms.  Am I a racist?

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    The GOP (5.00 / 6) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:00:12 PM EST
    party of today is the Dixiecrat Party of yesterday if that helps you understand. Every time a national GOP figure shows up down here in GA they talk about the confederate flag and all kins of crap. It's divide and conquer. I'm sure not all Republicans are racist but most of those "moderate" and "liberal" republicans have been run out of GOP or are leaving. I would not consider Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins racists and I'm sure there's some from other parts of the country but when you have senators that are beloved by the GOP base like Jim Demint and Jefferson Davis Sessions, it's not really easy to figure out what is going on. Saxby Chambliss is another PRIME example of a racist Republican.

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    Just think about what you are saying (none / 0) (#77)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:03:35 PM EST
    42 percent of the country is registered republican give or take.

    A majority of those people are racist?

    Give me a break.

    It just a cop out to throw the racist claim around so casually.

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    I love the way Towanda framed this issue below (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:10:02 PM EST
    "The question is not about individuals but about the institutionalizing of racism.  The Republicans are institutionalizing racism in the party -- in its campaign, in its platform, in its "humor."

     If you support racism, are you a racist?  

     You answer that for us, first."

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    32% of (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 07:59:37 AM EST
    Americans are registered as Republicans according to what I found on Google. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that 2/3 of those are racists making it about 20% of the general population in this country.

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    bigoted proclivities...

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    To your first question: YES!!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:42:25 PM EST
    I won't say all Republicans are racist, but I think that so many are racist that the non-racist "if you look to what I feel is in my heart" Republicans refuse to call it out when it happens or are quick to explain it away because they need that segment of the base to get over the 50.01% in elections. This is indirect racism, and it's an unpleasant thought to confront because one may support the Republican party on its economic positions, but at what point does the racism (or sexism or classism) become too much to stay silent anymore?

    To your second question, read after "but I ...."


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    And to the "at what point.... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:30:58 PM EST
    does the racism (or sexism or classism) become to much to stay silent anymore?" Charlie Crist reached that point and endorses Obama now. My dad who voted GOP every election since JFK voted Obama because of this 4 years ago and will again. My friend MB in Highlands Ranch who hates the stimulus and Keynesian economics is voting Obama because of the war on women.

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    Arthur Davis is a republican and is Black (none / 0) (#80)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:10:07 PM EST
    Is he racist or just confused.

    When you counter other ideas with personnel attacks there is no more debate.

    We still have two months to go and we have already played the race card.

    Romney killed a women, is a racist and wants to stop all abortion.

    What's left?

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    Is he racist or confused? (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:12:43 PM EST
    Neither. He's as self-centered and power driven as Romney to the point he will say and do anything to achieve higher office. Cynical. Narcissistic. Those are good words.

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    One can believe oneself to ... (5.00 / 9) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:12:19 PM EST
    ... not be racist, yet still harbor lentently racist tendencies.

    Do you support the GOP's recent false rhetoric about the Obama administrations waivers to welfare-to-wrk requirements? What about Mitt Romney's mention of birth certificates last Friday? Do you approve of Newt Gingrich's continuous reference to Barack Obama as the "food-stamp president"? What about other Republicans'  stated belief -- in the face of conclusive evidence to the contrary -- that the president's Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery?

    Those are called "dog whistles" and not without good reason, because they send clear signals to Republican voters like my old redneck neighbor in Honolulu or my uncle back in Illinois -- both of whom freely refer to Barack Obama as a "ni**er."

    I'm not a Republican, so I can't do anything about what's going on inside the GOP today. But if you believe those recent statements by GOP candidates and campaigns to be racist and wrong, then it's really up to you as a Republican to voice your objection and call upon your party's candidates to elevate the political dialogue beyond naked appeals to the lowest common denominator.

    If you don't have a problem with such statements, or if you object to them yet are afraid to speak up, then you'll have to accept the fact that there are those who will accuse you of enabling, condoning or coddling racissm within the GOP with your silence or acceptance.

    Because honestly, when it comes to public perceptions, it's not really about what you might think of your own self, but rather how others perceive you to be.

    Aloha.

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    Don't forget the voter ID movement ... (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:16:34 PM EST
    ... that even some GOP officials have bragged will disenfranchise minority voters. Does Slado support this too?

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    And why is Obama (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by ZtoA on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 09:04:21 PM EST
    the "food stamp" president rather than the "farm subsidy" president?

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    I support voter ID laws (1.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:12:21 PM EST
    Along with the Supreme court.

    FYI, one of the justices that supported the law happens to be...oh never mind he's racist or self loathing right?

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    Thomas is as self-loathing as it gets (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 11:23:27 PM EST
    He's a freaking case study in the self-loathing black man.

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    Of course, there is ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 09:34:36 PM EST
    ... method to the Romney campaign's apparent madness in blowing the racist dog whistles. Bluntly, he needs to capture 61% of the white vote in order to even entertain a shot at winning.

    Romney's can pretty much write off white women with a college education; these women tend to be socially liberal and are open to an activist goverment. Obama's polling close to 60% in that demographic, thanks to the GOP's series of pratfalls that together comprise its "war on women."

    Where Romney needs to increase turnout is among two demographics: white men with college degrees, and white people with a high school diploma or less. This is where Obama has long had trouble garnering support; the less education one has, the greater the likelihood that one will embrace racist tendencies, particularly during tough economic times when competition for available jobs is fierce. Thus, Romney makes the birth certificate "jokes," while his campaign hammers aways with its false meme on welfare-to-work requirements.

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    I dunno (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by sj on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 07:08:31 PM EST
    I'm republican, I support most of their platforms.  Am I a racist?

    From your comments it seems to be kind of a "chicken or the egg" thing.

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    It's neither (none / 0) (#84)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:15:33 PM EST
    I just regret that instead of focusing on the actual debate too many are going to a racist name calling contest.

    Obama supports more Federal spending and higher taxes.

    Romney supports the opposite.

    It's no more complicated then that.  Birthing, racism and claims of murder should be left out of it.

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    But who keeps bringing birtherism INTO it? (5.00 / 3) (#94)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 11:30:39 PM EST
    The Republicans can't seem to let go of it for five seconds. They're like a dog with a bone. And this last week, ROMNEY brought birtherism into it with his repulsive "joke." Oh, wait, I forgot. He was just being funny.

    Hats off to Mitt. He's now aligned with The Bonkers Birther in Chief, Donald Trump.

    You want to hold someone accountable for the degradation of the campaign? Take a cold, hard look at your Republicans, employing the Southern Strategy Redux.

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    Tell that to your Republican friends (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by vicndabx on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 04:56:29 AM EST
    They started both the birther and murder dog whistle crap.

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    If Romney's ideas about the economy (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 06:56:17 AM EST
    and taxes and spending and so on are so spot-on brilliant, if he and the Republicans believe that after years of their theories not working, Romney and his cohorts are going to be the ones to finally make them work, why are he and the Republicans resorting to making birther "jokes" and not-even-subtle-anymore racism?

    Because they know that it isn't just taxes and spending that appeal to their base, it's fear and ignorance.  Hell, even on taxes and spending and the economy Republicans are distorting reality.  Obama's for more federal spending?  I don't think so.  I don't think Mr. Grand Bargain, Mr. I-love-Simpson/Bowles, Mr. Why-won't-the-GOP-give-me-credit-for-being-willing-to-cut-the-safety-net is a spender.  I realize the GOP think all Dems can fit in that box, but Obama isn't one of those Dems - not by a long shot.  It's his reluctance to spend where spending makes sense that has contributed to the lassitude in the economy.

    The truth is that if both parties focused on the real debate, they'd probably find themselves agreeing with each other on a lot of the issues - that's how far to the right Obama has moved the Democratic Party.  So, what's left?  Race, abortion and how American someone is.  Are you going to make a case that those aren't "real" issues?  I think they are all too real to a lot of people, and all I can hope is that they're learning something about the people and the parties they represent.

    Are all Republicans racist?  No.  A lot of people are Republicans because of their stance on social issues, some are members because of their opinions on fiscal and national defense issues.

    But, at some point, if you are a member of a party that expends time and money and energy thinking of ways to prevent people from voting - most of them minorities - if your party strategists all went to the Willie Horton School of Presidential Campaigning, if they evidence more and more contempt for women's rights, you can take the path of least resistance and go along with it, or you can refuse to support it, speak out against it and refuse to give money to it.

    Defending the indefensible is not going to be a winning strategy, I don't think, but you seem to be willing to put a lot of effort into trying, which in my opinion makes you an enabler; if we had fewer of those - in both parties - we might have political parties and candidates that served us better, instead of what we do have, which do not.

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    We disagree on some basic principles (none / 0) (#114)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:17:22 AM EST
    Mainly that societal problems can be solved by higher tax dollars and more federal/state spending.

    You believe that more money for these programs will help and I don't in all cases.

    That doesn't make me racist or mean that there is a war on women.

    Sorry it just doesn't.  You can defend your position without name calling.  

    Liberals go to the racist claim and conservatives go tot he socialist claim.

    Both are wrong and in a perfect world would be left out of the debate.

    If you can't have empathy for the other side and concede that their motives are not based on an evil agenda then there is no debate.  Someone can simply be wrong.  When you can't understand that we simply yell past each other.

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    You disagree on more than basic principles (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by vicndabx on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:39:49 AM EST
    If you can't have empathy for the other side and concede that their motives are not based on an evil agenda then there is no debate.  Someone can simply be wrong.

    Indeed. Part of that is understanding and acceptance of why one is wrong, otherwise how will those you've offended know there is no "evil agenda?" {your term}

    It's hard to take someone seriously, when they don't take you seriously.

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    I do take liberals seriously (none / 0) (#144)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:38:04 PM EST
    If I didn't I wouldn't continue to visit this site to hear another point of view.

    I am reminded of this season of True Blood.  When you only exist in an echo chamber you start to do crazy.

    Without other points of views to challenge yours you soon become a caricature of yourself and your beliefs.

    One can be a nice person, well intended and wrong.  Maybe not 100% but enough for us to disagree on major questions.

    I don't need to belittle those on the left to debate them.  Just put my ideas out there and see what happens and I've also had my opinion change on some things thanks to TL.

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    I'm not going to have empathy for (4.00 / 3) (#124)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:07:58 AM EST
    people who, if their opinions and beliefs were to prevail, would take us back to the days when women and people of color had no voice and were little more than property; I'm not going to give that kind of mindset one iota of credibility by trying to see that it comes from a good place.  It doesn't.  You can't tell me that someone who believes it is good and moral to force a female of child-bearing age to continue a pregnancy that results from rape and/or abuse doesn't have contempt for women: denying anyone dominion over their own body is not "pro-life."

    You can't tell me that someone who thinks welfare is the province of black people, who always has "welfare queen" on the tip of his or her tongue, who devises endless strategies for denying primarily minorities the right to vote is coming from a good place that's just different than where I'm coming from.  It's not a good place, it's not a good thing, to perpetuate racial stereotypes or engage in voter suppression.

    Do you get my point yet?  Probably not.  Because you don't even know what my positions are on taxes and spending, which is surprising, because I'm pretty sure I've expressed them a time or 900 here.  I'll summarize by saying that deficits don't matter, austerity doesn't stimulate the economy, we're sovereign in our own currency and it's the responsibility of government to step in and spend when the private sector doesn't.  Good people don't turn their backs on the old, the poor and the sick, and neither should their government.  Good people don't close their eyes to rampant criminal wrongdoing across an entire sector of the community and the economy, and neither should their government. Good people don't encourage racism, sexism, jingoism or xenophobia, and neither should their government.

    Do you get it yet?  Probably not.

    I don't know why I bother.  


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    I will simply state (none / 0) (#149)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:54:28 PM EST
    That in my opinion the problems you describe are not being solved and cannot be solved by your solutions.

    We have spent and spent and spent and continue to have the same issues in the same areas when it comes to drugs, crime and poverty.

    We've declared wars on crime, poverty and drugs.  The government through handouts, spending and higher taxes has taken more money then we could possibly have imagined 50 years ago and what's the result?  

    Some would argue where worse off not better.

    I would argue that sometimes the unintended consequences of government intervention are worse then the problem they where meant to solve.  It has nothing to do with race.   There are plenty of poor white, Hispanic and multi-racial people equally affected by our misguided public programs.  I hold the same sympathy for them that I do for black people.   The sympathy that government has ruined their lives by robbing from the producers that could actually help them in the name of the greater good.

    That makes me a libertarian.  Not a racist.

    You hold the opposite view.  That makes you a progressive.  Not a socialist.

    We disagree.  We don't have to name call to have a debate.

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    ROTFLMAO (5.00 / 4) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 08:02:23 AM EST
    The Romney plan increases defense spending. If you are against higher spending then you would be taking an axe to everything not just programs you don't like.

    Romney thinks tax cuts for millionaires solve everything. If that works, why didn't it work for Bush? The median income in this country declined under George W. Bush.

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    You can check with BTD (1.00 / 3) (#115)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:20:11 AM EST
    I have repeatedly stated on this blog that all federal spending should be on the chopping block.  

    The big three are Medicare, Social Security and Military Spending.

    I view the military as third entitlement program at this point.

    When republicans leave it out they are being cynical.

    Just like democrats are when they refuse to cut the third rail while calling for military cuts.

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    Racist? No, I don't call you that. (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by womanwarrior on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 08:05:17 PM EST
    I don't know you, so I give you the benefit of the doubt for being on this group.  But the Republican plan?  Racist without a doubt.  Dog whistles right and left.  And Romney's whining about personal attacks on him sickens me, after the lying bs he puts out or allows others to put out about Obama.  Obama got everything he wanted passed in Congress?  Really?  You don't think we have been paying attention to all the 60 votes required in the Senate and all the filibustering and complete refusal to do anything to help the economy?  Thanks for thinking we are stupid and have no memory, Republicans.  Oh, yeah, Jokes?  Not funny, mittens.  And have the guts to put your tax returns out there if you are  proud of them.  Hey, guess what, when you run for President, you are a public figure.  Get over it.
    So, yeah, I am very disappointed in Obama, but Mittens and Ryan?  No way.  

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    You believe 42% of Americans are (none / 0) (#87)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:20:48 PM EST
    Racist?

    42%?

    That's depressing.  Glad I don't

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    Racist, indifferent or deluded by a ... (none / 0) (#89)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:34:34 PM EST
    "greater good" justification.

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    Well thats a start at least (none / 0) (#116)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:21:26 AM EST
    I prefer wrong.

    I think your views on some subjects are wrong.   Doesn't mean you are not a nice guy.

    My wife is often wrong but I still lover her.

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    But does your wife tell racist jokes? (none / 0) (#137)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:13:09 PM EST
    If so, what would that indicate about her? And if you acted like her racists jokes were no big deal, what would that indicate about you?

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    My wife does not tell racsit jokes (none / 0) (#150)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:58:37 PM EST
    And Romney's joke wasn't racist.

    It was terrible and ill informed and clumsy and if he was truthful he regrets saying it.

    But racist is a leap most on the left want to make so we can get into an angry debate on race that is helpful to their point of view that in order to hold conservative views you must be racist.

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    I do not believe that every conservative (none / 0) (#165)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:40:11 PM EST
    is a racist. I do, however, believe that the current version of the Republican party traffics in racism, both blatant and dog-whistled, as its modus operandi. I also believe that conservatives who don't hold racist views need to publicly oppose this aspect of the GOP, but they don't. Instead, they let it ride. And they let ride the misogyny as well. They are complicit. And that's not something I can respect -- or ignore.

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    The question is (5.00 / 6) (#72)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 09:14:15 PM EST
    whether you support racism.

    The question is not about individuals but about the institutionalizing of racism.  The Republicans are institutionalizing racism in the party -- in its campaign, in its platform, in its "humor."

    If you support racism, are you a racist?  

    You answer that for us, first.

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    You are wrong (1.00 / 2) (#85)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:18:08 PM EST
    Republicans support less taxing and less Federal spending.

    If you choose to see racism that's your choice.

    Are their some racistnRepublicans?  Sure but it's pretty lame to paint with such a wide brush when the majority of us have beliefs based on fiscal rather than racist concerns.

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    You can't even come to to terms (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 11:20:26 PM EST
    with the fact that the Kenyan-Muslim-he's-not American-enough cr*p is racist at its core.

    If you think the birther nonsense is funny and no big deal, then yeah, I think you've got some real soul searching to do.

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    A small minority of republicans believe (2.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:25:17 AM EST
    Obama is not American.  It's unfortunate but your are assuming we all believe it.

    A small minority of progressives believed GW brought down the World Trade Center on purpose.   I didn't see a campaign in the media to constnatly discuss these loonie bins and paint the democratic party as such.

    Most republicans believe Obama is a terrible American born president.

    Birthers are the fringe.  

    Come to terms with that.

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    Birthers are mainstream Republicans (5.00 / 4) (#131)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 11:04:02 AM EST
    False equivalencies.

    Even after the release of Obama's long-form birth certificate, 34% of Republicans said they didn't believe Obama was born in America.  Another 18% weren't sure.  Before the release, the numbers were even higher (45 and 22%).

    The crazies in the Republican party are mainstream, not a "small minority".

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    Exactly. (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:07:30 PM EST
    The extremists are the ones running the GOP show in Tampa this week.

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    There where polls showing the same (none / 0) (#152)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 01:02:26 PM EST
    kind of craziness on the left post 9/11.

    Google it.

    Wait don't bother, I did

    Seems I'm right.   I don't think your racist because you where wrong.

    It's unfortunate that in our highly politicized environment a large portion of each side has to believe such nonsense in order to feel better about their beliefs.

    It cuts both ways but it's not all of them.

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    Nonsense poll (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:29:57 PM EST
    Funny how Ben Smith doesn't actually show us the info he cites -- that "more than half of all Democrats" believed Bush and the U.S. govt. were in on 9/11. And, frankly, I call b.s. The 9/11 "truthers" were, and are, a tiny fringe. I don't know one person -- not one -- who believes it was a conspiracy.

    But everyone knows this part is true: Bush and his NSA director, Condi Rice, had the intelligence assessment titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside U.S." the month before the attacks. And didn't seem to be too concerned. And Dick Clarke and Colleen Rowley were both trying to get people at the highest levels to pay attention to their concerns...and they were ignored. So, forget the trope about Bush being in on it. The fact is, he and his administration were so grossly incompetent and inept that Americans had no reason to trust anything they said.

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    Nonsense. How does a birther joke (5.00 / 5) (#99)
    by Towanda on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 05:47:20 AM EST
    affect taxing and spending?

    You can answer that after you answer the first question asked, too.

    And your answer at the end is again about individuals.  Address institutionalized racism.

    As for the rest, going on the attack on me is not going to get you anywhere, not on this site, where people do not fall for the stuff that works on the stump and with the stupid media.

    So you must address the questions asked here, or your deflection is an admission by default.

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    Rolling eyes... (1.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Cashmere on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:29:36 PM EST
    Rolling eyes...

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    Don't roll 'em too hard (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:35:34 PM EST
    they might get stuck that way.

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    no (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CST on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 12:02:51 PM EST
    YOU support those policies.  Republicans support all sorts of things.  Including apparently racist dog whistles and restricting a woman's right to choose.  Just because you are a republican and don't agree with that stuff doesn't mean it isn't there.

    And the social policy issues in this country do actually affect people.

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    Yes they do (none / 0) (#153)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 01:05:35 PM EST
    I don't believe the state should take tax dollars to fund abortion in all circumstances.

    Sorry I don't.

    I also believe that women should be able to get abortions and birth control.

    The debate on tax spending is about priorities.

    Having different priorities doesn't make one a racist.  

    Ultimately there is a limit on tax spending.  Even with deficits.   I know that might be hard to comprehend but eventually we have to say no.

    I think saying no on some things is just reality.  Not racism.

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    Look we are all cafeteria politicians (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by CST on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 01:13:56 PM EST
    You believe some things, but the republican party platform is that women should not have access to abortions.  And you can say whatever you want about that but it is the official platform of the party, and they are backing that up with restrictions left and right in various states that go way beyond tax-payer funding (which is already established law with the Hyde amendment).

    Having different priorities doesn't make you racist. Stating that the president of the united states isn't sufficiently American - implies racist tendencies at a minimum.

    I get that you are a libertarian and you believe certain things and you have different priorities.  I disagree with you on many of those priorities.  No, that doesn't make you racist.  It also doesn't make these other issues disappear in the political sphere just because you don't care about them and they aren't relevant to you.

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    Also it's not that it's hard to comprehend (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by CST on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 01:31:32 PM EST
    it's that whenever the discussion comes up, republicans routinely propose slashing programs for the most vulnerable among us while lowering the burden on those of us who can afford it the most.  Maybe you think everyone has got to give a little.  But again - that's not what the republican party supports or proposes - ever.

    And the last president to balance the budget was a Democrat.  So I fail to see why you would bother trusting republicans on this issue at all.  Finally, the time to limit tax spending is not when we are in the midst of a recession.  You need to spend money to make money.  The best way to balance the budget is to have the economy functioning again so that tax receipts go up without having to raise rates much.  At the same time, if the economy is performing well, there will be fewer people who need government benefits.  That doesn't mean we should eliminate the social safety net when it's needed most.

    The key is the economy.  I'm guessing we disagree on how best to get that moving again.  But I fail to see how pulling out the rug from the most vulnerable among us is going to improve economic conditions for the country as a whole.  You can have all the supply in the world but if there is no demand for a product you aren't going to keep making it and employing people.  The rich can not support this economy on their own - there aren't enough of them.

    And for some reason when Republican politicians propose legislation that they say means we all need to tighten our belts a little - they never include the folks on the upper end of the income spectrum.

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    Probably (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 08:44:36 AM EST
    At the very least you think it is acceptable behavior or you wouldn't be able to stand belonging to the party.  So you are a complicit racist or a racist enabler at the very least.

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    Slado, of course they do! (2.00 / 4) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:32:02 PM EST
    Why do you even bother to ask?

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    Yes! (none / 0) (#36)
    by cal1942 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:20:47 PM EST
    The work/welfare ad was blatantly racist and anyone who can't see that is either ignorant or grossly dishonest.

    What shocks me is how Republicans can tell such blatant lies and shamelessly deny their intent.

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    Bu-bu-bu-but, some of ... (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:32:24 PM EST
    ... their best friends are colored people.

    ;-D

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    So I'm a racist? (none / 0) (#86)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:19:32 PM EST
    I know you don't believe that.

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    you might want to read this opinion article (none / 0) (#61)
    by DFLer on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 08:08:31 PM EST
    in the NYT

    that does a good job dissecting the racial content of the Republican campaign, and the distortions, lies that they rely on for this .

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    Sorry folks but for all the left spin (1.71 / 7) (#23)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:48:07 PM EST
    The welfare complaint by Republicans is real.

    LINK

    Simple question: If it isn't going to change anything why do it?  Why make changes if it isn't going to mean more people are on welfare?   To quote Chris Matthews...."Answer the question".

    As for the "joke" it was probably ill played by Romney but just for the sake of argument how is thinking Obama wasn't born in America when his father isn't American inherently racist?   He lived in other countries as a young person.   You don't have to be racist....just a conspiracy theorist...to think he might be pulling a fast one.

    Save the racist claim for real racism.  There's plenty enough around to be used properly.   I don't have to be racist to think Obama sucks.

    No, it's not (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by Yman on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:24:37 PM EST
    Does Obama's Plan `Gut Welfare Reform'?

    Nope.

    A Mitt Romney TV ad claims the Obama administration has adopted "a plan to gut welfare reform by dropping work requirements." The plan does neither of those things.

    Work requirements are not simply being "dropped." States may now change the requirements -- revising, adding or eliminating them -- as part of a federally approved state-specific plan to increase job placement.  And it won't "gut" the 1996 law to ease the requirement. Benefits still won't be paid beyond an allotted time, whether the recipient is working or not.



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    And the states requested this (5.00 / 6) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:01:18 PM EST
    A couple of Republican governors were among them because they had people that desperately needed help and no resources to provide them with any kind of job that made fiscal sense in the end.  If there aren't jobs there aren't jobs!

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    Romney was one of "the governors" (5.00 / 8) (#46)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:08:21 PM EST
    for this back in the day. He co-signed a letter requesting flexibility. The dude has NO moral compass other than what needs said to get elected.

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    If you're going to defend ... (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:38:03 PM EST
    ... that particular stance, you're going to have to do much better than cite Tucker's Carlson's Daily Caller.

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    real? (5.00 / 4) (#58)
    by ding7777 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 08:03:11 PM EST
    Save the racist claim for real racism.

    does real racism come before or after real rapes on the GOP Platform

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    Regarding Obama's father... (none / 0) (#74)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 09:43:38 PM EST
    do you think we would be having this conversation if he was a white guy born in Norway?  I don't. I think this particular line of speculation is reserved for the son of a black Kenyan. That's what makes it racially motivated.

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    I am so disheartened after reviewing the comments (1.00 / 1) (#106)
    by samsguy18 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 08:10:03 AM EST
    In this post...as an independent I vote both parties...I happened to catch the Chris Matthews segment in replay...his behaviour was outrageous...these divisive tactics are disgusting...I was a big supporter of Hilary Clinton and he tried to decimate her.....anything said by this individual  should be instantly dismissed....both parties need more truth and less spin.... speaking for myself Only...this country is in a mess...the unemployment numbers are rising...foreclosures continue...and I can vouch for the homeless numbers  still rising  in Chicago as My family helps out at a shelter...this past weekend there was 30 shootings...7 dead....every weekend this summer the numbers are increasing...Afghanistan...
    13 young Americans died last week...at least ABC does pay their respects on their Sunday Morning show

    You say that Chris Matthews' behavior (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:02:15 AM EST
    in the clip was outrageous, and you find the comments in this post disheartening, but I'm curious what you think the appropriate response to Romney's "joke," the GOP's defense of it and the Republican Party's tactics in general should be?

    Should we take the Tom Brokaw approach and let it go, because whatever mud one party slings is also slung by the other?

    What is more divisive, do you think: the actual appeal to people's fear and ignorance through deliberate use of racist and sexist messaging, or people engaged in vigorous opposition to it?  Which approach is more likely, do you think, to slow it or stop it?

    No question that Chris Matthews' behavior toward, comments about and overall attitude about Hillary Clinton and women in general were reprehensible; I had to stop watching his show and haven't been back since.  Sadly, he was not alone: not only were there many in the media who revealed their inner misogynist, but Barack Obama didn't exactly distinguish himself as someone with much respect for women, either, nor did many Democrats on the Obama side of the contest.  So, what else is new?  A prominent figure sends a message that certain behaviors and tactics and behaviors are okay, and elements of the media pick it up and run with it; the media did it for Obama four years ago, and it's now coming back in the other direction.  This time, it's the GOP candidate and his party, who are giving permission to the media to defend the racist, sexist, jingoistic tactics we're seeing.  Matthews was wrong in 2008 but he's not wrong on this, now, and I'm not about to encourage him to shut up when the message he's delivering is the right one.

    This country is a mess, no question, and I don't see us making a great deal of progress toward reversing the direction we've been going.  I know without a doubt that the Republicans don't have the answers; they don't offer anything that lifts us up as a nation and a people, nothing that doesn't seem to have us going back to the Dark Ages as a consequence.  Dems are only marginally better on some of the big issues and definitely better on others.  It pains me to vote on this basis, but seeing the extent of the GOP's utter and ugly lunacy, I'm thinking  that it just might be important enough to do to keep Republicans out of office.


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    Anne (1.00 / 1) (#127)
    by samsguy18 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:41:43 AM EST
    I think the majority of people in this country are good people no matter what their party loyalty....to be honest  I didn't find Romney's comment offense ....it was a stupid joke...yes I agree with Brokaw...you mentioned appealing To people's fear and ignorance...the personal fear in this country is palpable
    I very rarely disagree with you however regarding the racism issue and Chris Matthews I do .....and I believe Chris Matthews and those like him use it to enhance  their ratings...they do not care about the unemployed .....the homeless ...the sick etc...

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    And you think Romney cares (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 11:57:54 AM EST
    about the unemployed?

    Talk about misplaced anger.

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    Indeed I do ! (none / 0) (#155)
    by samsguy18 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 01:21:57 PM EST
    Both candidates Obama and Romney.....

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    My sister sent a link to the show this morning and (none / 0) (#4)
    by Angel on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:44:45 PM EST
    was she ever upset at the namby-pambies sitting there defending those comments. What a collective group of morons.  

    If they had substituted a potted palm (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:53:43 PM EST
    for Mika, no one would have noticed; she was useless.

    And Priebus - he kept looking toward Joe as if he thought any second, Joe was going to jump in and defend Romney's comments.

    I wish it had gone long enough for Matthews to get an answer to his questions: "so, what's so funny about it?  Where's the joke?"

    And now some doofus running for - what else? - the Senate from PA is trying to deny that he compared a pregnancy from rape with one that takes place without benefit of marriage:

    Mark Scolforo, Associated Press: How would you tell a daughter or a granddaughter who, God forbid, would be the victim of a rape, to keep the child against her own will? Do you have a way to explain that?

    Smith: I lived something similar to that with my own family. She chose life, and I commend her for that. She knew my views. But, fortunately for me, I didn't have to.. she chose they way I thought. No don't get me wrong, it wasn't rape.

    Scolforo: Similar how?

    Smith: Uh, having a baby out of wedlock.

    Scolforo: That's similar to rape?

    Smith: No, no, no, but... put yourself in a father's situation, yes. It is similar. But, back to the original, I'm pro-life, period.

    [Another question on an unrelated topic]

    John Micek, Morning Call: Mr. Smith, can I ask you to clarify one more time the question that Mark asked you. Did I just hear you say that having a child out of wedlock is analogous to rape?

    Smith: No, I did not say that.

    Scolforo: You did say that.

    Micek: But you did say it, sir.

    (Noise as a Smith campaign aide sought to answer, but Scolforo insisted Smith answer).

    Scolforo: But you did say that.

    Smith: I said I went through a situation.

    Scolforo: With your daughter, with a daughter.

    Smith: Yes.

    Scolforo: OK.

    Smith: And it's very, very difficult. But do I condone rape? Absolutely not. Do I propose life? Yes I do. I'm pro-life, period

    Be nice if the "life" these people were so "pro" about had anything to do with that of the woman involved, but apparently, she is not their concern.  Ever.

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    If you will pardon me, (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by Zorba on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:43:39 PM EST
    I am just going to go into a corner and start pounding my head against the wall.   These idiots are so concerned about the zygote, a few cells, yet the he!! with the mental, physical, and emotional health of the woman.  I guess women have become mere incubators in their minds, nothing more.
    I need a drink.  I think that Jack Daniels is calling my name.
    {{sigh}}
    :-(

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    I love how Smith, when called out (5.00 / 5) (#88)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:27:31 PM EST
    for having just said that a pregnancy resulting from having sex before marriage is "similar to" a pregnancy resulting from rape, clarifies that he means that it is similar from a father's point of view.  Which of course is the point of view that matters when Republican politicians discuss these issues.

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    good god, what kind of a father (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:24:54 PM EST
    equates a pregnancy resulting from rape to one resulting from consensual sex? And if there is a god, may he save us from these people.

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    The GOP is going to not have any.... (none / 0) (#10)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:55:57 PM EST
    Senate candidates left at this rate unless they start defending some of these inane comments and the idiots who utter them.

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    If this is "good" (none / 0) (#5)
    by Payaso on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:45:47 PM EST
    Why are the wingnuts posting the clip?

    To show MSNBC's "bias" (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:51:24 PM EST
    What's funny is Romney says today Obama's new welfare policy is intended to shore up his base!! If Matthews gets pressured to recant, all he has to do is point to this statement for validation of his rant on Priebus.

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    He is sitting in the Elephant bar at the (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:29:01 PM EST
    start of the Republican convention and everyone in the room is cheering him.  Nothing says there is an enormous undercurrent of having had it with the Republicans like this clip does.  If most of the Republican voting base is low information football team style voters, they won't be voting Republican by the time those of us who really care about our country and what is happening are done with them.  I have a few family members like that.  Facebook does amazing things with such people.

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    Wow. (none / 0) (#9)
    by lilburro on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 03:54:50 PM EST
    Amazing how insistently inane the rest of them are.  Matthews was right, and it needs to be said, because I think the insinuations and "jokes" are not necessarily being received by your average white voter.  It just goes over their heads.  And it shouldn't and can't because it reflects the character of Romney's campaign.

    Actually (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:00:27 PM EST
    the first thought that came into my head when I saw this was why was Tweety not this hard on George W. Bush when he was first running for Prez back in 2000?

    And secondly I'm not sure I agree with Matthews 100% here. I definitely think the welfare thing is a loud dog whistle and put with the birther joke it could be a narrative but honestly I think Romney is just out of touch enough to think something like that was funny. He resides in a bubble where handing kids $100 bills is "normal".

    And let's be honest, the GOP has been getting away with this kind of stuff for years so why would they stop now?

    They are cranking this stuff up full bore judging from the emails I have been getting from Republicans talking about slave reparations and how the Black Panthers were going to "skin white babies" or somesuch.

    Tweety has always had his (none / 0) (#29)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:58:34 PM EST
    conservative Repub-friendly side, going back to his upbringing in a large R family and when he preferred Nixon over fellow Irish Catholic JFK in 1960.  

    He seems to have had a profitable professional relationship first with Roger Ailes , responsible for hiring Tweety to CNBC in the mid 90s, and with Repub corp boss of GE Jack Welch, who appears to have been a workplace father figure, and may have wanted to repay them with some toughly conservative broadcasting in the 90s/early next decade.  Or at least not offend the people who'd put him in that nifty media job.

    Then Welch leaves, and Matthews, not wanting to be stuck holding the brief day after day for Doofus Dubya, Jack's guy, decides the 2004 cycle would be a good time to transition back to moderate Dem.

    That's my theory anyway.  I welcome opposing perspectives.

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    Sounds plausible to me.... (none / 0) (#32)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:01:03 PM EST
    That's as good (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:06:02 PM EST
    a perspective as anything. I think the Irish Catholic thing does play a part too.

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    Right. Welch seemed to (none / 0) (#35)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:12:50 PM EST
    favor them in the on-air hires.  Almost wall-to-wall Irish Catholics on-air hosts and regular commentators.  Including Pitchfork Pat.

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    Remember (none / 0) (#67)
    by lentinel on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 08:46:00 PM EST
    good old Harry Reid extolling Obama as a candidate because he was "light-skinned" and didn't speak with a "Negro dialect"?

    What are we to think about that?

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    I had to be gone for the rest of the day (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:22:27 PM EST
    But I stepped back through the door with Subway and blueberry margaritas to celebrate and Tweety is still at it on MSNBC pounding all Republican pundits dumb enough to sit down with him for playing the welfare race card and other race cards.  Who is this guy?  Invasion of the Tweety snatchers went down while we all slept last night.

    He still gets major kudos from me for saying this morning that the thing he learned today was that good health is a European idea.

    And then there's Tom Brokaw, ... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:27:07 PM EST
    ... riding to the rescue of Reince Priebus with his false equivalencies, as though the belated Democratic push-back against the GOP dissembling somehow cancels out the noxiousness of the GOP's original race-baiting -- "This is why people are becoming increasingly disgusted with politics, yadda, yadda, yadda."

    As the late Tip O'Neill was wont to quip, "Politics ain't beanbag." So, to all those people to whom Brokaw was somehow speaking, who are apparently so "disgusted" with today's politics, you really need to get over yourselves.

    You know why candidates and parties go negative? Because it works! Because a lot of you are so ignorant that the only parts of the Bill of Rights you know are the rights to bear arms and remain silent. Because you tend to swallow political bull***t hook, line and sinker -- especially when it comes to issues of gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation and religion. And it ultimately bears out in the electoral results.

    How do unrequited partisan yahoos like Louis Gohmert and Anthony Weiner get into Congress, or clowns like Rick Scott and Sarah Palin become governor? Because the people in the mushy middle put them there, and because half of them can't even be bothered to show up at the polls.

    If people want to see real change, then they must become and embody that change. You need to choose a side, an issue, a candidate, and then get involved on the local level and put some skin into the game. Democracy works at its optimum best when it's a participatory sport, and not a passive and vicarious activity.

    Nuf ced.

    Brokaw did make a good point at first.... (none / 0) (#19)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:35:14 PM EST
    ... and then did the false equivalency schtick that made me facepalm. Brokaw gave me false hope for about 3 seconds.

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    Yeah Tom framed his remarks carefully (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 05:08:03 PM EST
    first noting he disagreed with Chris on the race baiting charge, then though he made a pointed charge against Reincefuehrer Priebus on a related matter, but followed it up quickly by saying both sides had been engaging in negative blah blah blah.

    So overall pretty bold and candid for someone like Brokaw --3 seconds of honesty framed by 15 seconds of Very Serious Media Person blather.

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    And, of course (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:40:16 PM EST
    he's had his own brushes with racist comments:

    Chris Matthews has put his foot in his mouth before on live television, and after the State of the Union, he did it again.

    "I forgot he was black tonight for an hour," Matthews said of President Barack Obama's speech before a joint session of Congress and to millions of Americans.

    It's hard to take this clown seriously and get all tingly about him.

    Not getting tingly about Matthews... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by magster on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:55:27 PM EST
    ... in general (read above about how he commits this kind of valuable service "every once in a while"), but it's important to spotlight and praise actual acts of truth telling as it occurs in this election, so that he and others continue to do it. We all know that right now some Republicans are calling NBC and demanding a recantation or apology, and exerting their power and leverage with Brokaw and whoever.

    Same with O'Brien, same with some local news reporters that made big news with their localized interviews.  The powers that be need to listen to our "huzzah!"'s or they'll condemn it and intimidate any reporter who is tempted to confront these guys in a similar manner.

     

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    So your answer is to ... (5.00 / 6) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 06:28:40 PM EST
    ... shoot the messenger and ignore the message.

    I'm no fan of Chris Matthews either, but he's absolutely and positively right about this issue, and I'm glad that someone in the media finally showed the cojones necessary to look the RNC chairman right in the eye and call both him and his party out on their racism.

    What the Romney campaign's been doing of late is nothing short of dispicable. The birth certificate "joke," the false welfare-to-work meme (which the candidate himself endorsed as MA governor), the "food stamp president" references -- those are all naked appeals to the hardcore white-wing base of the GOP, in an effort to gin up the still-substantial white supremacist vote. Period.

    And because of that, Mitt Romney's become the most genuinely repulsive presidential candidate I've seen since George Wallace.

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    Matthews is a fast talking idiot (1.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Slado on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:50:29 PM EST
    Think Joe Biden with more hair.

    I see your Chris Matthews and raise you one Rush Limbaugh.

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    Of all the many ways to whup the a$$ (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 04:58:10 PM EST
    You were Sun Tzu's favorite

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    Personally, I do not think (none / 0) (#90)
    by coigue on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 10:35:24 PM EST
    it was a racist remark for the simple reason that the birther thing became such a joke.

    I do, however, think the voter ID issue is racist, ageist, and a huge threat to our democracy. Wish we could focus on that instead of a stupid joke.

    Wow! (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by lilburro on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 01:20:49 AM EST
    Long time no see.  Hope this isn't the last we hear of you!

    IMO, the birther thing isn't quite a joke, I think a lot of people just shut up because they were shamed into doing so.  If it becomes in fashion to raise questions again, they will.  At least Glenn Beck is out of the equation.  So far.  Fingers crossed.

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    Hi lilburro! (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by coigue on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 04:17:55 PM EST
    Nice to be remembered. Just to be clear, I just think it was a joke to Romney....not to the wackos that started it and that continue. It's all part of his tin ear (or maybe I should say diamond ear!). Remember, his father went through something very similar.

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    Do I think that a change (none / 0) (#95)
    by DebFrmHell on Mon Aug 27, 2012 at 11:38:26 PM EST
    in leadership is going to make me better off in the next four years?

    I think I will still be in the same miserable shape I am now.  Because in the long run, I don't count much to either party.

    I can't decide if I am disenfranchised or just disenchanted.  

     

    Both sides have their loonies (none / 0) (#112)
    by Slado on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:11:53 AM EST
    That's my point.

    Both can occasionally be right about something.   When you talk that much something is going to come out eventually that makes sense.  Doesn't mean we should start giving them much attention.

    Last night's Rachel Show (none / 0) (#120)
    by magster on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 09:38:39 AM EST
    89% of Republicans are white. Romney needs 62% of white vote if Romney does not improve upon McCain's numbers for share of vote amongst blacks, latinos, asians and 'others'.

    Link to video via dailykos diary

    What (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 28, 2012 at 10:07:09 AM EST
    you are seeing is a repeat of the Bush 2004 campaign where "you make it about the other guy" when your own record is pretty rotten.

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    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 02:16:10 PM EST
    off-topic comments and personal spats. Jim, stop hijacking the thread. It's not about you and your views on oil prices or social liberalism. If you do it again, you will be put in time out.