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Friday Morning Open Thread

So who had the worse night? Mitt Romney? Clint Eastwood? Or me? My wallet is lighter (1 of 4 yesterday with my college picks (thank gawd the BiG is turrible.) Mitt Romney was stiff. But I got to go with Clint Eastwood. He became a national punchline. Pains me to write that. Love Clint Eastwood. But it is what it is.

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  • Never been a fan of Eastwood (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:51:05 AM EST
    Always found him to have bird sh*t on his shoulders (a statue, a stiff) and to be a massively humorless bore.  A testament to the human weakness for style over substance. A dipsh*t ten-mile stare masquerading as a real man.  He's been a punchline for awhile to some of us. Go back and look at his films, you'll find the same intellectual and emotional dishonesty in most of them.  Tough guy bullsh*t incarnate. And he's anyone's hero why?  Pitiful.

    Bigger question is why I'm up at 4:42 in the A.M.

    Thanks for writing what many (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by observed on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:47:06 AM EST
    of us think.
    IMO the only thing he does worse than act is direct. Total artistic fraud and bore.

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    You did.not care for "The Bridges (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:49:43 AM EST
    of Madison County"?

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    I feel like you're baiting (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:17:35 PM EST
    Bridges of Madison County...
    perceived as a love story in the days before mommy erotica novels went the way of Fifty Shades of Grey. Bridges was first published in 1992 and climbed to #1 on the NY Times best seller list. The story of a woman that beds (kitchen tables?) the first man that comes down the street while her husband has the kids at the 4-H Club Fair for the weekend...and still, even with Meryl and Clint, the book was better than the movie.

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    I think a great name (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:21:55 PM EST
    for a drag queen would be, Bridget of Madison County.

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    I thought the book was terrible but (none / 0) (#113)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:32:58 PM EST
    enjoyed the movie.  Big boost for tourism.

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    I say this of course (none / 0) (#121)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:44:32 PM EST
    as I'm finishing up Fifty Shades of Grey. I don't see it helping tourism in Seattle or Portland but Universal Pictures already has the film rights so we can compare book and movie in a couple years.

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    Why are you reading it? (none / 0) (#122)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:45:55 PM EST
    Valuable lesson #1 (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:02:14 PM EST
    Learned long ago, when women are reading Bridges, read it. It's worth big points at the next cocktail party when the men walk away to talk football and you can hold your own in the book discussion :)

    Valuable lesson #2 learned...be careful in giving your honest opinion of the "love story" book.

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    What may a female read to have the (none / 0) (#133)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:17:05 PM EST
    same zinger for parties?  Hmmmm.  

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    Box scores, scouting reports, the spread (none / 0) (#134)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:19:37 PM EST
    to name just a few.

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    This worked amazingly well (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:40:05 PM EST
    when I became a MLB fan.  

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    Is that a rhetorical question (none / 0) (#144)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:40:02 PM EST
    Casey is correct. Real men don't read books. And if they do it likely wouldn't be discussed at a male gathering. If you know who's favored and drink beer from the bottle you've got your bases covered (no pun intended).

    But if we must pick a single book, go with Moneyball...or do what they would do... Chill a six-pack and watch the movie.

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    Important point, CG. (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:43:30 PM EST
    Never pour your beer into a glass. Pop off the cap and drink.

    A lesson I learned from my uncles.

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    Well, I have to say that (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:17:40 PM EST
    Mr. Zorba is a very "real man" (at least in my humble opinion) and he reads books. Lots of books.  He tends toward heavy-duty historical tomes, Civil War books, books about all kinds of scientific discoveries, and hard-boiled detective novels.  (As well as books about fly fishing and tool use.  Oh, and books about smoking meat and fish in our smokers.) And he has male friends with whom he does, in fact, discuss such books.  But then, although he enjoys watching certain sports, he's not all-consumed by them.
    He did read Moneyball, by the way.  So did I.    
    I think that we run indifferent circles than a lot or people do.  I guess that puts us way out of the mainstream.    ;-)

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    It's funny (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:00:15 PM EST
    this conversation reminds me of a friend of mine talking about her dad.  She was trying to figure out what to get him for his birthday and I suggested a book, or a Kindle, Kindle gift certificate, or something.  She said no, he doesn't have a Kindle, he likes hard-copy books and books with pictures in particular.  "He likes big, coffee table sized books, you know?  If I could get him a book on the Civil War, with pictures of battlefields, going "THE RIVERS RAN RED WITH BLOOD," he'd like something like that."  And I said, oh.  The man has his tastes, I guess.  I used to read a lot of Jeff Shaara myself.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#179)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:47:35 PM EST
    We're not so much on the big, coffee table books (unless it's a spectacular book about art, which we are also interested in), but we do both like "real" books.  I do read occasionally on my iPad, onto which I have down-loaded a bunch of free, out-of-copyright older books, but that is when I'm traveling, or waiting interminably in a doctor's office.  Other than that, we just love actual, print books.  We probably have enough to start our own library.  Let's face it, we're dinosaurs.    ;-)

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    I was going to say (none / 0) (#183)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:41:26 PM EST
    Sports, books about sports, or Stephen Ambrose books.

    Or, as I am finding, Breaking Bad. And tech toys.

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    Not you too!!! (none / 0) (#125)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:51:38 PM EST
    When my moms told me she was on Part III of the trilogy, curiousity got the better of me so I gave the first chapter a go...I never read such tripe, I couldn't even make it to naughty bits it read so lame.  

    Then again, being an alpha-douche male nor S&M were never my scenes.  To each their own...

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    Ha. "alpha-douce." new one. (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:56:11 PM EST
    I did go see the bridges when I happened (none / 0) (#185)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:44:51 PM EST
    tohappened to be driving through Iowa after the movie came out. Really pretty!

    And I like the soundtrack. Clint does have good taste in the American classic standards.

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    The book is terrible (none / 0) (#188)
    by shoephone on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:52:57 PM EST
    This book is the very funny send-up.

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    Two words: (none / 0) (#106)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:21:39 PM EST
    "Mystic River."

    In my honest opinion, that haunting film stands as Clint Eastwood's best work behind the camera.

    I'll disagree with the previous comments. While I've never been a real big fan of Eastwood as an actor (the Dirty Harry persona has always greatly annoyed me), I happen to appreciate his work and vision as a director, and can separate my dislike for his politics from his accomplishments in film.

    Aloha.

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    my opinion is based in part (none / 0) (#111)
    by observed on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:29:13 PM EST
    on having seen Mystic River.
    A  turgid, self-important, meandering mess---and so SLOW.
    Eastwood acts and directs as if he has suffered from the supposed debilitating effects of marijuana for centures. Either that, or he really is the stupid, unreflective boor he plays in films.
    The latter seems quite likely.

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    Clint the actor: "Every Which Way But (none / 0) (#116)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:35:57 PM EST
    Loose."  

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    Ugh! (none / 0) (#124)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:51:03 PM EST
    That in my opinion was simply a godawful film, and I never understood why people liked it and flocked to see it, or how it even sparked a sequel. Eastwood's presence might as well have been phoned in, and Ruth Gordon's foul-mouthed old lady schtick proved particularly annoying and tiresome.

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    Well, suffice to say that ... (none / 0) (#120)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:44:03 PM EST
    ... we're going to disagree, and that yours is most definitely a minority opinion.

    "Mystic River" received superb reviews across the board, had boffo box office, enjoys an 87% approval rating at Rotten Tomatoes, was awarded the prestigious Palm d'Or award at the 2003 Cannes Film Festival, and was nominated for six Academy Awards (including best picture), winning the best actor Oscar for Sean Penn and best supporting actor Oscar for Tim Robbins.

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    IMO, perhaps those who did not (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:04:42 PM EST
    like/appreciate Mystic River don't get the tragedy of interpersonal violence. The tension in the movie was so palpable, and again, IMO, so real.  As said elsewhere, I also thought Million Dollar Baby was a masterpiece in its portrayal of determination in the face of degradation as well as pathos.


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    Bird (none / 0) (#139)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:32:13 PM EST
    great tribute to jazz and dedicated to all musician's...

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    Great film.... (none / 0) (#146)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:40:42 PM EST
    great great film...good call.  I didn't know it was Eastwood.

    I like a lot of his work...Unforgiven, Gran Turino, The Outlaw Josey Wales.  And Blondie will forever be an epic iconic character...

    Not a Dirty Harry fan.  

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    this is interesting re the soundtrack (none / 0) (#152)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:45:39 PM EST
    from the Wikipdeia entry on Bird

    Initially, when Columbia owned the project, the studio executives wanted to hire musicians to re-record all of Parker's music, largely because most of the original recordings were in mono, and considered of insufficient sound quality to accompany a feature film. Eastwood had some recordings of Parker made by Parker's wife, Chan, from which he had a sound engineer electronically isolate Parker's solos. Contemporary musicians such as Ray Brown, Walter Davis, Jr., Ron Carter, Barry Harris, and Red Rodney were then hired to record backing tracks on modern sound equipment. Dizzy Gillespie was on tour at the time of recording, so trumpet player Jon Faddis was hired to record his parts.


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    Not a fan of "Bird" the movie at all (none / 0) (#187)
    by shoephone on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:48:53 PM EST
    Won't list all the reasons why here. Mostly, I felt it made Charlie Parker into a cliched caricature. A much better jazz film, IMO, is Bernard Tavernier's "'Round Midnight" with tenor player Dexter Gordon in the lead role.

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    yes that is defintely the other opinion (none / 0) (#189)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:43:52 PM EST
     Herbie Hancock won the award for Best Music, Original Score beating out Charlie Parker. (sorta)

    I still loved Bird.

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    Million Dollar Baby (none / 0) (#200)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 08:48:51 PM EST
    and Mystic River were excellent, IMO.  I did not read the book, Bridges of Madison County, but enjoyed the movie.  Rare occasion when movie shows 'older' folks falling in love and capable of passion. The other two movies reflect a sensitivity that makes it impossible for me to get how Eastwood could be a Repub.  

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    First time I've ever seen someone lose an (5.00 / 12) (#4)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:49:37 AM EST
    argument with an empty chair.

    I totally stole this quote. (2.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Thanin on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:44:52 AM EST
    That was (none / 0) (#5)
    by Lena on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:51:33 AM EST
    hilarious!

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    Thanks. I even made myself laugh. :) (none / 0) (#6)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:52:41 AM EST
    Censorship (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:26:14 AM EST
    Most of the video news clips of Eastwood, that lovable gent, have now censored the throat-slashing gesture that Eastwood did when saying about Obama that we should, 'let him go".

    How very thoughtful of the mainstream media to have removed something that is quite revealing about the inner workings of that seemingly genial fellow.

    I did find much of the speech to be humorous.

    As a liberal-leftist whatever, I found it interesting that Eastwood chided Obama for keeping the war in Afghanistan going and for not closing Gitmo. I doubt Romney has any problem with either of these actions or non-actions by Obama. I do. But it strange to hear the response from the crowd favoring a position that I hold, but that their candidates do not.

    Confusing. Gives Clint some kind of strange aura - getting laughs from the convention when he condemns actions that its candidate endorse.

    I did enjoy it when he suggested, in answer to a question posed to the empty chair (Obama), that Obama's reply was to tell Romney to go fk himself.

    That kind of talk is most welcome at these scripted sh!t festivals.

    If you're interested, the complete and uncensored speech is
    available here.

    The censored throat-slashing gesture which has to be seen to be believed begins at about 9:34.

    The man may be likable (I don't like him), but he is clearly certifiable.

    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Chatham on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:51:10 AM EST
    It was funny when he chided him for not closing Guantanamo, then said that he had to give him credit for that because it was a good idea.

    I'm still trying to figure out the seemingly anti-war part about Afghanistan, plus the crowd cheering. Is the crowd more anti-war than the leadership? Did they not get what Eastwood was saying? Obama's position on Afghanistan has been an issue on the left, but outside of Paul supporters you don't hear much criticism of Romney's stance.

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    Adding to the confusion, (none / 0) (#31)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:04:37 AM EST
    and hypocrisy, Eastwood is also on record favoring gay marriages, which the GOP staunchly opposes.  And he's pro-choice -- which the Republican party has famously tried to outlaw -- judging by his personal life with partner Sandra Locke (she says he pressured her into two, plus a sterilization).

    So with all these contrary Dem-leaning positions, why does Eastwood back the GOP?   Something to do with race perhaps?

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    Eastwood's treatment (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by sj on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:29:19 AM EST
    of Sandra Locke was abominable.  I remember reading about it at the time.  Some of the ugly details are here.

    Clint Eastwood is not a nice person.

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    I don't think it's race (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Chatham on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:32:07 AM EST
    It's not like Eastwood supported white Democratic presidential candidates, that I know of. I think it's more of the typical libertarian/pro-business conservative thing. Yes, Obama is pretty pro-business, but Romney has the business image. I've noticed that their are a number of people in the GOP like that - they disagree with the party on a number of the issues, but they have this storybook view of the party and already have a relationship with it (many Democrats are like that too, to be honest).

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    And Eastwood also has a child ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:27:04 PM EST
    ... out of wedlock with actress Frances Fisher, whom he met when he cast her as the prostitute Strawberry Alice in the 1991 film Unforgiven.

    How does that square with the GOP yahoo from Pennsylvania who recently equated out-of-wedlock births with rape?

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    Libertarian wing (none / 0) (#198)
    by Philly on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 05:24:52 PM EST
    Many libertarians (like Clint Eastwood) lean republican, but hardly agree top-down with their platform.  I liked his performance -pretty impressive for an 82 year old man, IMO.  It reminded me of a Bob Newhart skit in delivery and style.

    Regarding the warm reception to his comments on Afghanistan, I suspect that the majority of republicans, if polled, would also prefer we get the heck out of there.

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    Since I didn't watch, and I haven't (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:34:50 AM EST
    read the entire transcript, I thought I'd wander over to see what Charlie Pierce had to say...Charlie never disappoints.

    Some tidbuts:

    I have to give the man credit. Romney on Thursday night came as close as he ever has in his political career to being thoroughly human. He worked so damned hard at being empathetic that, even if I didn't buy a word of it, the sweat equity was positively profound. Really, at times, he looked like a guy trying to push a truck up a hill.

    [snip]

    I have to admit that I, a son of the Commonwealth and grandson of a shepherd lass from the hills of north Kerry, never looked at Willard Romney and his perfect wife and his perfect children and thought to myself that we shared a common experience as the descendants of emigres. I have to admit that I don't look at him and think anything of that sort now, either. But, by god, he made a real stab at it, and I had to respect the effort, and the raw chutzpah, if nothing else.

    [snip]

    I think that, somewhere along the trail, it occurred to him that, really, all he was doing was conducting another sale, and that, if there was one thing he can do, it's that he can sell. And he has learned very well how to sell an indictment of this administration that is not going to be as easy to parry as this president's people seem to think it's going to be.

    [snip]

    On Thursday night, Willard Romney may have come as close to humanity as he needs to come. The rest is all just waiting for him out there -- 8-percent unemployment, and a Democratic Party that may well spend a week talking about how much they're willing to cut and how serious they are about The Deficit. I felt a pulse on Thursday night, and I saw a certain vigorous color come to his cheeks. I think Romney's alive now, and it bothers me, because I think he's a lot closer to becoming president than he was at the beginning of the night.

    There were some trademark snarky lines in Pierce's column, but it was, overall, uncharacteristically subdued, which may be a measure of his fears that Romney may have a better chance than even he thought, up to this point.

    I wanted to say, "relax, Charlie - this is Mitt Romney we're talking about - remember his European tour?  I'm pretty sure that, even as I write this, one of his feet is getting an urge to head straight into his mouth."

    Problem is (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:07:51 AM EST
    Eastwood.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:33:27 PM EST
    Hardly anyone is really talking about Romney's speech today. Rather, everybody's commenting about how somebody should've taken the car keys away from Grandpa.

    Worse still for the Romney campaign, the major networks' coverage of the candidate's acceptance speech began at 10:00 p.m. EDT, and it opened not with that nice little short film about Romney, but with Eastwood's acid trip.

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    I listened on radio. When Mitt made (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:37:35 PM EST
    us unusual entrance, the commentators had lots of air time to fill.  Not good.

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    Boy, are you ever right...now that (none / 0) (#170)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:28:55 PM EST
    I've had a chance to check out what's being said around the media and the blogosphere, it's almost like Mitt Romney never even gave a speech.

    Really dumb move to risk eclipsing someone who needed every kilowatt of the spotlight...

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    After watching the Eastwood routine this a.m. (none / 0) (#180)
    by christinep on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:22:41 PM EST
    My impression is that the routine would make for some moments of political humor, adult sarcasm, and such...at a nightclub or lounge.  A venue designed supposedly for the task of nominating a Presidential candidate, for talking about serious & significant matters, doesn't fit.  The jarring act of including a nightclub soliloquy within the parameters of a holier-than-thou Republican convocation does not work at all.

    Curious about what really happened...other than this brief spectacle that undercut all the nice-nice that thebRepubs had so assiduously worked to convey prior to that.  That made it funny....

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    Mittens was at his best (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:05:04 AM EST
    when he tried to be nice, with flashes here and there of being human, at least to his family.  He described his father and mother, their 65-years of marital bliss hallmarked by being a job creator for the local florist (placing a rose on her nightstand every night until death interfered).  George Romney seemed like a sweet guy and I was ready to vote for him even in hologram form.  

    However, when Mittens got on with the business at hand, he became, once again, more familiar---"lying for the lord" and revising history (e.g., the Republicans hoped Mr. Obama would succeed.), and gave a wink and a nod to the crowd that we need an "American" to lead us. His nose did Geppetto proud,  but unlike his running mate, the fire department did not require him to wear asbestos pants.

    Mitt kept it all deliciously vague as to what he would do differently other than he would do everything differently. To applause, he offered a brief re-assurance that he was still  pro-life and pro-sanctity of marriage.

    In foreign and national security, he did not veer from what  President Obama has done, but he would not be as easy on the bombs and those countries that are just asking for them.  A lot of nostalgia for the Cold War, and don't get him started on Putin.

    As for delivery, it was better than those of the past, but it was his big night after all. It was more vibrant, albeit less informative, than a reading of his missing tax returns.  As for optics, this usual fine presence he cuts was marred by too much make-up, perhaps in keeping with his fabled business acumen so as to achieve efficiencies for his next stop at Madame Tussard's.

    Clint, the America that was (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:28:56 AM EST
    In so many ways Clint represented the America they were pining for during the whole convention.  The truth is that now it has aged and it cannot go back to its imagined old glory.  In fact, when it tries, it's sort of ridiculous.  If a screenwriter or novelist wrote the Clint episode, people would be screaming: OMG you can't have such obvious symbolism, not believable.  

    The funny thing is that Clint was a has been and it took an Italian to make him the ersatz American hero and San Francisco gave him his modern day persona:  the avenging righteous cop for the American way.  

    The horror!!! (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:44:47 AM EST
    40,000 pounds of glorious bacon lost in a tragic accident.

    Driver escaped with minor injuries, and wan charged with an improper lane change.  Hate crime charges pending;)

    Hey, that happened right by my hometown. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:55:08 AM EST
    Loss of bacon is tragic. Newspaper story says nothing about possible bacon rescuers converging in I-74 at the scene of the tragedy.

    I can't imagine the good people of central Illinois ignoring the plight of all that bacon.

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    On the Radio... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:57:33 AM EST
    ...they were discussing the bacon milkshake from BK or Hardees.  Surprisingly, everyone who tried it, diggs it.

    I love bacon and I love milkshakes, but not really interested in a bacon milkshake.

    If that accident had happened here in Texas a couple weeks ago, they blacktop would have provided cooked bacon for everyone.  

    BYOE, bring your own eggs.

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    They died in vain! (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by the capstan on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:35:38 PM EST
    Here's one of the comments: (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:18:32 PM EST
    So the police SAY the bacon will be "discarded". Uh-huh.

    kdog, don't you predict Homeland Security will claim they broke up a conspiracy?

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    Yes... (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:04:39 PM EST
    Waiting on DHS or another acronym for police state tyranny to determine the bacon was for use in a islamophobe demonstration, hence the hate crime charges are pending;)

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    Whether (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:15:14 PM EST
    or not it was pork, it seems to me to be a waste of good bacon to just discard it. Wipe it off. Fry it. Put it into a sandwich, or eat it plain.

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    I'm with you... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:22:59 PM EST
    I've fried up and enjoyed some questionable bacon in my day...those lonely two forgotten discolored slices you find in the bottom of the cold-cut compartment, "best if used by" date unlegible.

    They should give it to a soup kitchen to cook up for breakfast tomorrow.

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    I'm (none / 0) (#138)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:30:52 PM EST
    there.

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    Starbucks would have it made into (none / 0) (#149)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:43:42 PM EST
    detergent.  

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    Wha? (none / 0) (#158)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:05:28 PM EST
    Starbucks sells detergent?  I can shower in bacon?!

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    Link: (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:15:03 PM EST
    despite his performance last night.

    About 14-15 years ago, before kids, the Mrs. SUO and I attended an industry function at which Clint was the keynote speaker. Unfortunately the Mrs. SUO was having so much fun chatting away with the other guests at the pre-dinner cocktail hour that she had that dreaded second gin and tonic on an empty stomach.

    After we all got seated and were served dinner, and Clint was getting started on stage, the Mrs. SUO's forehead kept drifting perilously close to her salmon and mashed potatoes, so I walked her outside for some fresh air.

    She found a curb to sit on, and, after a while, having finished his speech, Clint walked out with his driver into the night. Noticing my wife on the curb with her face in her hands, Clint detoured over to us and asked if she was all right.

    I said yes, he said hope she feels better, and then he headed to his car.

    No big thing, except it showed a level of simple, common decency that I rarely see, especially here in "big city" LA.

    OK, he got kooky last night. And I never "got" most of the films he got is various best director nominations for. However, to us, he's still a great guy.

    Too (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:02:24 PM EST
    bad the Romney campaign did not know about your experience. That would have been a good intro for Clint.

    There comes a time when you really need to call it quits on doing certain things. Last night was an example of that.

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    Probably so. (none / 0) (#89)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36:08 PM EST
    When Clint dies, I expect to see your (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:19:58 PM EST
    reminiscence in the LAT letters.

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    that story attributed to her...

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    Tell Mrs. SUO... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:13:48 PM EST
    it happens to the best of us, no shame in it...if she didn't yack all up in the curb she's still well ahead of me!  


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    She saved that for when we got home... (none / 0) (#109)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:28:04 PM EST
    Classy lady... (none / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:39:20 PM EST
    you married...to paraphrase Keith Richards, it is the height of bad manners to loose your sh*t at a function, you gotta time your exit.

    I've gotten better at it as I've gotten older...when you know Ralph is coming, make a discreet & rapid exit.  So if we're ever at a party together and I disappear without saying goodbye, you know why.

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    There's a comment she made, post yack, that has become part of our lexicon. Never fails to get a chuckle.

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    Did she make you... (none / 0) (#127)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:56:40 PM EST
    hold her hair outta the way?  

    I had an ex who mixed with the sauce worse than I do, I was doing that chore quite a bit...awful awkward job, especially half in the bag yourself.  When I'm in that state I don't want anybody within 50 feet of me...my saying for such an instance, which is also part of my circles' lexicon, is "just let me go man, just let me go!"

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    Nah, though I probably should have. (none / 0) (#132)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:16:21 PM EST
    It was a pretty rare occurrence...

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    Classy, self sufficient, (none / 0) (#151)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:45:01 PM EST
    and handles her occasional drink...who is better than you bro!

    Enjoy your Labor Day...one and all.  

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    Yes, I'm very fortunate, I married up. (none / 0) (#163)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:16:54 PM EST
    Enjoy your long weekend!

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    "Why close Gitmo? (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:11:52 PM EST
    We spent so much money on it."  Wow, good lord.  This Clint Eastwood video is even weirder than I anticipated.

    I hope all those anti-union Republicans enjoy (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:28:13 PM EST
    LABOR DAY!

    Pee-Wee Herman's response to Clint! (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:33:04 PM EST
    He posted this photo on his FB page, and labeled it "Dirty Harry meets Chairry!"

    Just the right tone.

    The Clint (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:49:25 AM EST
    Eastwood thing...yeah, I agree with you on that BTD.  And who did the GOP think they were going to appeal to with Eastwood outside of their own base?

    GOP options are pretty limited. (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:39:18 PM EST
    John Wayne and Charleton Heston are dead. So, who does the GOP have left? Ted Nugent? Kid Rock? Arnold?

    Compared to those guys, Eastwood must have looked like a winner, right up until the moment he opened his mouth.

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    According to NYT, Eastwood gave (none / 0) (#147)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:41:53 PM EST
    a fine endorsement speech in Sun Valley a couple months ago.  Also, he apparently was given talking points for last night and actually most of them.  

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    Clint Eastwood (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:46:05 AM EST
    was well-recieved by the conventioneers.  However, they may come to regret their premature enthusiasm since Eastwood is the talk of the day, rather than Mittens.   They should have interchanged speaking spots with Callista and Newt--sort of a very bad imitation of bad presenters at the Oscars.   But that duo would never make anyone's day.  

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    Open mic night (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:08:48 AM EST
    For 2016 Presidential candidates....David Axelrod

    It was amazing hearing Clint. Now (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:51:39 AM EST
    I need to watch him.

    Good example last night (none / 0) (#14)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:17:32 AM EST
    of how the SEC is overrated:  #9 South Carolina.  Struggled to barely beat Vanderbilt, thx in part to a glaringly obvious pass interference call late in the game that the refs missed.

    In an honest rating system not heavily biased to favor the SEC, the Gamecocks would have started no higher than #19, and after last night maybe dropped a few places.  This is not to say the top couple of SEC teams are overrated so much as the league overall is.

    And a richly rewarded league too -- the SEC is now in the 5th year of enjoying two massive, very long term tv network contracts which total some $3b for the conference.  This situation affects how these networks cover and present the league, leading to ratings inflation from top to bottom.

    Meanwhile good for UCLA for traveling to the muggy South and whupping a TX team, even a non powerhouse like Rice.  Too bad though that Wazoo gave back some of that positive PAC-12 pr by putting in a terrible performance against the Mormons.  But credit them at least for scheduling a quality opponent, on the road, for their opener -- something SEC teams usually arrange to avoid.

    Ummm (none / 0) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:21:17 AM EST
    This sounds like a Lyin Ryan speech. I'm dumbfounded by your FOX talking head ability

    You degrade the win of an SEC team that's a 7 point favorite for beating another SEC team on the road to start the season. Then you congratulate a PAC12 team that was an 18 point favorite for winning on the road against a considerably less than average minor conference foe.

    We're not talking Rice baseball here. This is Rice football.

    As for South Carolina at #9, maybe they were ranked #9 to start the season because they finished #9 last season.

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    Sorry not impressed by your (none / 0) (#51)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:50:15 AM EST
    ad homs -- always a sign that person has some weak position to defend -- nor by the rating, this year or last, of a Gamecocks team that is clearly getting the benefit of the pro-SEC ratings bias.  Clearly only a #19 team, at best.

    As for UCLA they have been so awful and inconsistent in recent years that any resounding win, even against third tier Rice, will be applauded, especially in the gritty conditions of muggy, hostile Texas for a season opener.  I just hope they can improve on defense -- in recent times clearly a very weak spot, notoriously so in college football.

    I do expect the Tide to prevail over Michigan, assuming the Wolverines QB is still just an average passer, and b/c once again the SEC team, natch, gets a friendly quasi-home game in TX.  

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    The non-conference game in Texas (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:20:57 AM EST
    is because big bucks were paid for them to play at Cowboys stadium. It's why LSU/Oregon played there last year. It's why Auburn/Clemson will be at the Georgia Dome Saturday night. It's far more profitable to each team than scheduling a home and home. If anywhere else offered more the games would have been somewhere else.

    Michigan's haul for Saturday night win or lose...$4.7 million plus the profit from selling 25,000 tickets. Alabama is currently a 14 point favorite. I hate Alabama. Go Big Blue.

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    Good to see so many newly-minted (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:03:48 PM EST
    Michigan fans.  

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    Hey (none / 0) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:16:31 PM EST
    I saw my first Michigan game in person January 1, 1976 and even though they lost on the field the girls of Michigan still made me a fan of the maize and blue.

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    Bad new oculus (none / 0) (#82)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:23:13 PM EST
    Michigan coach Brady Hoke just suspended starting running back Fitzgerald Toussaint and defensive end Frank Clark for the Alabama game.

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    Coach Hoke may have a short career (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:15:52 PM EST
    in A-Sq.  One guy hasn't even been arraigned, much less convicted.  The other was cited for driving while visually impaired.  

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    I'll be a newly minted Alabama fan. (none / 0) (#85)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:26:40 PM EST
    Because, Michigan.  I hope they go down and go down hard.  For once, I'm going to go with Troll BTD and hope the B1G team is turrible.  

    Besides, the driver of the truck filled with bacon that overturned was from Michigan.  

    Won't someone think of the bacon!!!  Mmmmmmmm, bacon.

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    The Michigan QB (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:17:59 AM EST
    Is considered a Heisman candidate.  Now, he's a dark horse candidate (I'm sorry - is Chris Matthews now going to call me a racist for using that term?  Good thing I didn't mention "Chicago"), but he is still in the conversation.

    And he threw for over 2100 yards - "average passer"?

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    Just judging by the few times (none / 0) (#61)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:30:39 AM EST
    I saw him throw last season.  I saw strong, clever runner, but nothing special as a passer.  Stats can be deceiving, and the Heisman buzz doesn't mean he's got great arm/decisionmaking skills.

    Of course I'm hoping he comes out throwing and throwing well and often, well enough to pull off the upset and prove me wrong.  I'd love to see AL lose, then watch how they drop only one place in the polls, SEC style.

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    Sorry about your wallet BTD (none / 0) (#15)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:23:58 AM EST
    But the Gophers over UNLV...who woulda thunk? Yeah!

    3 overtimes...I do like the college OT rules, wish they would put them in the NFL.

    (fyi: OT: not sudden death, first score wins, but an opportunity for the other team to equal first score to re-tie)

    This Year... (none / 0) (#20)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:35:21 AM EST
    ...they are adopting last years OT rules which you mentioned.  Not the same, but it's a damn good change.  And with the injuries, it's probably the furthest they will go.  For playoff games, like college.

    I really hope they get this ref thing figured out, because they have some doozies, but just as important, it's taking them forever to figure out the calls.  Twice last night, 6 mins on contested calls.


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    the viking game had one (none / 0) (#23)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:42:37 AM EST
    15 minute delay re refs...

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    ooops...I see below you were watching the (none / 0) (#24)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:43:21 AM EST
    same game!

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    Caught Maybe (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:00:55 AM EST
    ...2 quarters.

    What is up with playing the Vikings pre-season ?  They play the NFC North, so the Vikes are in the regular season schedule as well.

    Home team Packers will be here in on Sunday night.  Fun, but I hate cheering against the Texans, but I got that G&G blood.

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    Preseason NFL games chat? (none / 0) (#62)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:33:57 AM EST
    What is this blog coming to?  

    Wake me up when they start playing games that, you know, actually count.

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    Next week... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:42:04 AM EST
    the games count, with scab refs...un-freakin'-believable.  A multi-billion dollar money-making juggernaut can't work out a deal with their officials...they gotta be sh*tting us.  

    'Protect the shield'...whatever you say Goodell.

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    They'll Fold... (none / 0) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:53:05 AM EST
    ...the second a bad call is perceived as changing the outcome of a game, IOW week 1.

    It's owners against players, fans, and the commentators.  A battle they can't win unless the scabs are flawless and judging from preseason, not likely.

    The refs in the NFL IMO are second to none.  If I can pay $100 for a seat and $7 for a beer, they can sure as hell insure the game I am at isn't decided by a half-a$$ call from a scab ref.

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    Sorry kdog (none / 0) (#73)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:04:54 PM EST
    can't side with you on this one. Last year a rookie ref was paid $78,000 while a ten year ref made $139,000 for a part-time half year weekend job.

    I'd take the job at half the price and laugh at my good fortune.

    Since all fans do is bitch about the refs anyway, what difference does it make which ones we're bitching about.

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    I'm with Scott... (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:50:13 PM EST
    ya can't look at the refs salary in a vacuum CG...ya gotta look at the revenue generated and pay all involved accordingly...players, coaches, support staff, referees, right down to the Beerman.  Sh*t the Beerman should be on strike, the parking attendant, the janitors...but I guess nobody cares if they are replaced by scabs.

    The owners have the cash, and then some...everybody knows it.  Their next TV contract will break the record of the last.  Pay the f*ckin' refs, to roll with the scabs is what I;d call penny wise pound foolish...all too common of 1%ers.  And I say that knowing refs are part time and often come from corporate America with no money troubles themselves.

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    plus, there is more work to it than just (none / 0) (#141)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:34:13 PM EST
    game time..(weekend work) There's training studying the rules etc...isn't there?


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    Just like Rmoney... (none / 0) (#197)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 01:42:18 PM EST
    the Ginger Hammer and the owners give zero f@cks about the proles or what they think.

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    And Decide Games... (none / 0) (#86)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:30:46 PM EST
    ...that bring in millions to a team, to the league, and to the cities post season, and certainly calls decide performance bonuses at the end of the season.  Lots of money riding on their abilities.

    And while that is a nice salary, that argument could be made about owners, players, and probably most of the staff including coaches.  Lots of overpaid people in the NFL and certainly refs are on the very low end of it.

    The really cool thing about this argument, is we will find out real soon if the league thinks their salaries are bloated or worth every dime.  I think it's a no-brainer.

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    ouch! (none / 0) (#74)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:05:40 PM EST
    They Interrputed the Texans Game... (none / 0) (#16)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:26:03 AM EST
    ...at 9pm for the convention, which I assumed was taped, but not sure.  I was at a friends and although football doesn't get any more boring then week 4 of preseason, I hate when it's interrupted for something they could have shown an hour later.

    Anyways.  Eastwood, it's hard to watch him, he's there, but not entirely.  He looks broke down, but I still really most of his movies and he's a good director.  But I had to leave my friends, the convention is just too much.  It's the same self serving congratulatory BS with the audience acting like the messiah is speaking.  It way too cultish.  Not that the D's are any better, but at least I agree with their BS, but the cultishness is up there as well.

    A couple of of funnies, I love how the right hates Hollywood all year, but then when they can score one, they act like starstruck teenagers.  But Eastwood is especially perplexing, he did the Super Bowl ad for the auto industry that had the ditto heads exploding.  But all is forgiven I guess so long as he's on their team.

    Romney, the thing is I agree with a good deal of his criticism directed at Obama, but that's were it ends.  I hate the way the right keeps acting like they are looking out for the people in need, when any idiot can look at what they want to do and easily see it's going to help the people at the top at the expense of everyone else.  Or how they are dumping republican generated problems on Obama without acknowledging their party created the problem.  Since when did R's want the war to end or GITMO closed, though they were actually wanting more wars, Iran comes to mind as well as N Korea.  But I guess they will cheer for anything when the applause meter lights up.

    For Romney, that is easily the best he has looked on stage, not saying much, but he did good a pretty good job for Romney, which means about average.  It was weird for him to mention how his mother discovered his dad had died, no rose on the pillow.  And what happened to the Mormon speech we have been hearing about, worried the evangelical/baptist base might have walked out of the convention.

    But congratulations republicans, you finally nominated the guy no one really liked six months ago whop is apparently the best you got.

    I noticed not a soul could mention GWB, must have slipped their minds.  I really hope Obama starts pushing that line, Romney's policies are GWB's policies and then some.  It should be the theme of the D convention.

    Eastwood (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:33:59 AM EST
    Has been a registered Republican since the Eisenhower administration and did run and serve as a Republican mayor in Carmel, so he's always been on their team.

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    Not this nu team of Repubs (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Towanda on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:39:40 AM EST
    Eastwood is pro-choice and pro-much else that harks back to the Republican Party now past.

    I found it highly hypocritical of these Nu Repubs/Tea Party types to go ga-ga for Eastwood, with those stances.  If he wasn't a Hollywood star, they would have been throwing peanuts at him.

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    As has been said elsewhere: (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Farmboy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:25:46 AM EST
    This is a perfect representation of the campaign: an old white man arguing with an imaginary Barack Obama.
    link

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    Sure (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:50:35 AM EST
    But he thinks Romney will be better on taxes.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:36:37 AM EST
    Jeb Bush mentioned his brother.  Said it's time for Obama to stop blaming GWB and to take responsibility.  

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    Though he didn't use his name. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:52:32 AM EST
    He referred to him as "my brother" and the President's "predecessor".

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    You think (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:54:29 AM EST
    Someone may have been confused and thought he was talking about Neil?

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    Heh! (none / 0) (#30)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:57:04 AM EST
    I pitied Clint Eastwood... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:30:45 AM EST
    my god did he bomb.  Brutal...if it was the Gong Show he would not have finished.

    Big mistake putting Rubio on before Mittens...he stole all the thunder.  Rubio can sling some snakeoil, love him or hate him he gives good speech.

    Romney...didn't bomb, but certainly didn't impress.  Probably as well as you could expect a social misfit to do.  I almost choked on my bong when he said he was rooting for President Obama to suceed...what total utter bullsh*t.  It was too boring to watch it all...empty platitudes and slogans and faux compassion. Spare me the concern for the 9 bucks an hour working 2 jobs no benefits American, Mitt...thats your plan for the working class, your business model to maximize profits.

    Love Clint. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:31:04 AM EST
    And he wasn't good last night. And Obama supporters can have some fun with that.  

    But they should be careful not to overdue it. Clint has more fans than anyone in this race. And if they take it too far it could backlash to Clint and Romney's benefit. They should especially watch the ageist stuff.

    However, for now, most will remember the Clint appearance as the weakest moment in quite a weak convention. A potent symbol for a campaign struggling to find a compelling message.

    Clint gave the most under-appreciated performance (none / 0) (#25)
    by Payaso on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:47:48 AM EST
    since Stephen Colbert at the Washington Correspondents Dinner.

    The RNC audience got it.

    What did they get? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Leopold on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:10:03 AM EST
    Well, except that the Correspondents dinner (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:10:48 AM EST
    is supposed to be about as much comedy gold as anyone with a sense of humor can wedge in.  Conventions are about polishing all of your turds to a high shine.  Turds were not polished, they looked down right crappy.  There was a lot of unmaintained up there all three days.  I will always be grateful the Mitt Romney spent all of his leadership and organizational skills on saving my Olympic games.  He must be all tired out though now and unable to recover.

    He provided a lovely backdrop though for Christie, Rubio, Rice, and Bush to give a 2016 presidential candidate speech :)

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    Except Colbert was coherent (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:12:04 AM EST
    and his performance made sense in the context of Dubya's record.  Eastwood seemed to be unaware of the positions and personal resume of the guy he just endorsed.

    He even seemed not to know Romney has a law degree.

    I don't think this was old age -- more the typical Republican lazy non thinking and low information level coming to the fore.

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    And bifurcate (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:17:38 AM EST
    Clint hated on some bifurcation!  No more bifurcating unless it is your earnings vs. fees.

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    I do hope someone asks him why (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:06:02 PM EST
    is so adamantly opposed to bifurcation.  

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    Hear hear (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:15:24 AM EST
    No more lawyers in the oval office for crying out loud, only people who understand the tax law so coherently as to allow millionaires to pay less tax than waitresses :)

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    Ha Ha (none / 0) (#45)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:32:11 AM EST
    They don't pay less tax than waitresses.

    They pay lower marginal rates than waitresses.

    :)

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    That's less (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 04:11:07 AM EST
    Of course it does help if you have ever been a waitress, it helps you to understand the blatant abuse and hipocrisy of some phucking filthy rich guy only paying 13%.  Did I mention that he pays far less than my husband does?  And my husband risks his life for the country that Mitt Romney wants to run.  What a horrible charade!

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    I got the concept... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:13:39 AM EST
    I thought it kinda lame and uncreative. The delivery?  Clint sh*t the bed bigtime.  If it was a movie, the director would have cut and took it from the top for sure.

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    Clint probably has gone a long time (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by brodie on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:29:12 AM EST
    now without having someone around with the courage to tell him Don't do that, it sux/is inappropriate/doesn't make sense.  The guy strikes me as someone very full of himself who needs to be brought down a notch or two.

    Last night might be the start of that process.

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    The Republicans... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:39:36 AM EST
    were desperate for a "big name"...I was wondering if he was begged to do it by friends in the party.

    I didn't get a "full of himself" impression, I got the impression he would rather be someplace else.  And a senile impression.  

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    They couldn't get... (none / 0) (#47)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:45:12 AM EST
    Timmah Tebow?  Can't get a touchdown on the field, but I'll bet he would have scored one in the arena.  It's not like the Jets needed him yesterday anyway.

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    Shhhhhhhh! (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:46:13 AM EST
    Hey now... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:55:07 AM EST
    McElroy drove us to paydirt last night!  If I were the HC of the NYJ, I'd have Tebow permanently assigned to H-Back/Wildcat QB, and young McElroy would be our # 2, ready to start if Sanchez can't get it done.

    The GOP surely could have scored Tebow, the guy who signs his paycheck is Romney's top fundraiser.  The team has never been harder to root for, and that is really saying something...I lived through the Rich Kotite era!

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    That's what I'm talking about! (none / 0) (#56)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:12:07 AM EST
    It was the 3rd string that finally drove for a touchdown. SportsCenter was goofing on them just getting in the Red Zone last night.  

    You forgot Special Teams gunner.  He looks pretty good at that.  

    I guess Tebow doesn't have the GOP's RDA of hate in him.  Either that or he held out for a room full of young Filipino boys to circumcise.  

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    J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets! (none / 0) (#182)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:35:36 PM EST
    Your cuts are out...

    Waived WR Joseph Collins, LB Marcus Dowtin, OT Robert Griffin, G Fredrick Koloto, C Matt Kroul, P Spencer Lanning, DB LeQuan Lewis, TE Tarren Lloyd, S D'Anton Lynn, DB Julian Posey, DE Jay Richardson, WR Eron Riley, LB Brett Roy, QB Matt Simms and NT Martin Tevaseu.

    Sad to see Matt Kroul got a visit from the Turk.  Hope he makes the practice squad or gets picked up by someone else.  

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    Congrats to BTD (none / 0) (#50)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 10:47:45 AM EST
    for owning his 1-3 to start the college season. Had he chosen the spread rather than the money line in the South Carolina game he would be even. No past posting here though.

    updated BTD college pick financials: -$200

    The Clint Eastwood (none / 0) (#54)
    by indy in sc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:03:43 AM EST
    debacle cannot be overstated.  It was certainly a rambling, bizarre and disrespectful mess--but that alone could have done limited damage had Romney and the organizers opted to put Clint Eastwood on before the networks picked up the coverage.

    This now goes to Romney's leadership and decision-making skills.  To spend a significant portion of the one network hour that is supposed to be the climax of the convention and Romney's shining moment  with a person who is inconsequential in the big scheme of things who proceeds to put on such a terrible performance calls into question that Romney has even a basic understanding of the critical job he is asking the American people to hire him for.  

    This is a huge unforced error and a gift to Obama's re-election effort.

    It seems like the whole convention (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:06:23 AM EST
    was plagued by jarring segues and uncoordinated messages - very un-GOP. I think Reince Preibus may take a lot of the blame though, if they get around to blaming anyone.

    All in all, I don't predict much of a convention bounce coming out.

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    About 6 point (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:15:13 AM EST
    bounce as of today.

    Probably will be short-lived as the focus will be on the Dems next week, when things will then even out again.

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    Not much movement (none / 0) (#63)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:39:45 AM EST
    on likability (from the link):

    Romney also saw a small uptick in his personal appeal, according to the poll, with 30 percent now saying the GOP nominee is " likable," up from 26 at the start of the week.


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    He doesn't have to be likable (none / 0) (#68)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:54:26 AM EST
    He just needs to appear to be the better candidate to help "you and your family".

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    And if me and my family are facing rising coastal (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:07:14 PM EST
    waters, will he help us then?

    ;o)

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    Noah (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:14:25 PM EST
    Noah: He Built It! (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Towanda on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:44:43 PM EST
    The campaign slogan just writes itself.

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    Noah... (none / 0) (#105)
    by sj on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:20:50 PM EST
    "Right. What's a cubit?"

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    Fond childhood memories... (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:28:51 PM EST
    Good Gravy.... (none / 0) (#80)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:18:43 PM EST
    ...of course he has to be likeable, why do you think the entire convention was wrapped around making him human.  

    So MFers will like him and hopefully voter for him.

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    I disagree (none / 0) (#83)
    by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:24:08 PM EST
    He doesn't have to be "someone they'd have a beer with" - he just has to sell that he has a better plan for getting people back to work and fixing the economy.  

    All this stuff about "who is more likeable?" is summer campaign noise.  Come November 3rd, all anybody (except the die-hards on the fringe) are going to base their judgment on is "Who is better to lead this country, and especially fix the economy?"

    Period.

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    Honest (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:01:10 PM EST
    to God, I wish you were right and that whole likability thing did not matter but apparently it does to enough voters. The whole likability thing got us Bozo Bush and Bozo Bush reelected despite a poor record.

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    It is hard for me to believe that (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:07:55 PM EST
    the same people (I'm talking about independents and undecideds, not GOP base) who found Kerry so distasteful that they were willing to re-elect the plainly incompetent Bush may now go for Romney.

    Less and less about politics makes sense to me anymore, but that might be the big one on the unfathomable list.

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    I never (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:34:03 PM EST
    could figure those people out in 2004 and still can't figure then out. They now blame Kerry for voting for Bush but I sure don't remember them saying that in the fall of 2004. And Romney actually lived in France which you would have thought that was the end of the world.

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    I'm talking about the constant (none / 0) (#137)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:28:04 PM EST
    ridicule about the windsurfing, his rich wife, looking like he was made of stone, and on and on. All 'likability' issues. I think that stuff plays into the minds of undecideds and so-called independents. It is not which one of the candidates relates best to you. It is which one do you want to be associated with.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#154)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:55:28 PM EST
    I don't know how much likability polling matters, or can tell us, but I think the concept in general obliquely connects with policy and class issues.  Apparently Obama's campaign has got him drinking and eating comfort food all over the place.  Typical stuff although he gets an extra edge this time because Romney's religion prohibits alcohol.

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    Well, likability (none / 0) (#84)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:25:54 PM EST
    has been touted as a concern.  Does it really matter?  I have no idea.  

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    Nixon won 49 states. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:46:46 PM EST
    Does that answer your question?

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    That was before 24/7 TV and itnernet (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:01:51 PM EST
    Nixon was not in people's faces nearly as much as present day PsOTUS. Rightly or wrongly, likability plays a lot bigger role these days.

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    And fewer people than ... (none / 0) (#140)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:32:42 PM EST
    ever watch news or public affairs programming.  And despite free access to countless newspaper and magazines online.  Fewer people read any of that.

    In fact, you can watch TV 24/7 nowadays and never see a news broadcast.  Even a news update.  That would have been very hard to do in 1972.

    And it's even easier to avoid this stuff on the Internet.

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    I'm sure going to hope you are right (none / 0) (#142)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:35:22 PM EST
    if Romney wins.

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    You can become ... (none / 0) (#150)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:44:09 PM EST
    a brony.  That should fill up your days!

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    Has any U.S Pres ever lost his reelection (none / 0) (#153)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:47:10 PM EST
    bid while we were still engaged in a major blood-letting operation here or abroad?

     

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    Can't recall one... (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:00:11 PM EST
    but we've never had a blood-letter fly so low under the radar...when was the last time a bloody post-war occupation wasn't even an issue in a campaign?

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    OT but interesting: (none / 0) (#155)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:56:36 PM EST
    "In December 1887 he called on Congress to reduce high protective tariffs," his bio reads. "Told that he had given Republicans an effective issue for the campaign of 1888, he retorted, 'What is the use of being elected or re-elected unless you stand for something?'"  [Grover Cleveland.]


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    Nope ... (none / 0) (#165)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:18:39 PM EST
    parties have changed but never has an incumbent lost.

    Only ten incumbent Presidents in USA history have lost reelection. (Cleveland was one of them.  He'd later win a second term.) Only two in the postwar period.

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    And then he ... (none / 0) (#130)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:08:14 PM EST
    Robot Porter: "Nixon won 49 states. Does that answer your question?"

    ... was compelled to resign the presidency in disgrace 20 months later, in the face of his certain impeachment and removal by Congress. He was damned lucky he received a "Get Out of Jail Free" card from President ford, and wasn't subsequently indicted, put on trial and sent to prison where he belonged.

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    Huh?!? (none / 0) (#136)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:24:27 PM EST
    I think you missed the point of my comment.

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    No, I didn't. (none / 0) (#175)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:06:37 PM EST
    I just took advantage of the opportunity to segue into a dance on the grave of Richard Nixon, even if it was off-topic. One can never dance on Nixon's grave enough. I'd do it in person, but they'd probably kick me out of the Nixon Library grounds in Yorba Linda.

    ;-P

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    I still do a happy dance (5.00 / 2) (#184)
    by Towanda on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:44:45 PM EST
    every year on August 9.

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    David Nir at Kos... (none / 0) (#90)
    by magster on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:42:59 PM EST
    ... said that was the only poll so far with a bounce like that, and that it was after the Paul Ryan speech, not a true after the convention poll. We need to see other polls to conclude whether/how big a bounce occurred.

    Just my thoughts, at least the Eastwood speech kept my attention. I thought Mitt's speech was horrible. On half the reason Clint gets the headlines is because Mitt gave on one anything to talk about. As biased as I am, I knew Palin/McCain landed a couple of punches on Obama. This one, I'll be surprised if there is a bounce, and gobsmacked if Obama does not have a Pollster tally of over 300 EVs in the electoral college projections by this time next week.

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    which raises a question...I don't hear much (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:12:20 AM EST
    about Romney's team - his campaign manager and communications team. Seems like they should have been all over this stuff.

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    For what it's worth, here's a NYT (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    op-ed by the son of a psychiatrist re "the empty chair" technique he claims his father devised:

    What the chair could have told Clint

    I heard someone on MSNBC via xm radio (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:11:03 PM EST
    (so I did not catch who it was - did not recognize the voice) make the analogy to Ralph Ellison's 'Invisible Man'.  That might be giving Clint way too much symbolic credit, but I thought it was amusing.

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    I'll check with my brother and get (none / 0) (#119)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:43:28 PM EST
    back to you.  (I was listening to "Invisible Man" in the car; bro was underwhelmed.)

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    DSK movie casting: (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:15:42 PM EST
    Perfect. (none / 0) (#176)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:07:33 PM EST
    Art imitates life.

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    I almost feel sorry for his ex now (none / 0) (#193)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 04:18:32 AM EST
    Contrast. (none / 0) (#104)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:20:10 PM EST
    I was wondering what would have happened if an ordinary citizen had said publicly that Obama should be let go, and then followed it with a throat-slashing gesture ---

    I would expect that he would be whisked away by the Feds within minutes.

    And this happened at the Republican convention with millions watching.

    Obama would be within his rights to have Eastwood arrested.

    He'd also be foolish. (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:00:41 PM EST
    "The enemy is making a critical mistake; why interrupt him?"
    -- French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), urging his generals to show patience at the Battle of Austerlitz, as opposing Austrian and Russian forces began to inexplicably separate from one another, opening a fatal two-mile-wide gap in their lines (1805)

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    Why? (none / 0) (#177)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:29:29 PM EST
    Because it sets one he!l of an example.

    Who cares?

    The Dems don't care.
    They don't want to pick a fight with Eastwood, whom BTD "loves".

    The Republicans, the conservatives, are too invested in Eastwood to care.

    So the next chump who threatens a sitting president, or makes a gesture that could set off a crazy person, is home free. Clint did it.
    So can we.

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    Oh, please! Get a grip! (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:33:43 PM EST
    It was hardly a threat, and much more a simple case of very bad political choreography.

    You don't ridicule something that's already become its own best parody. And why turn an unexpected windfall into an unnecessary liability with an equally poorly staged overreaction?

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    My point (none / 0) (#186)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:08:30 PM EST
    was that if an average citizen had done a gesture like that, the FBI would be there in a flash.

    You see everything in terms of politics and an event's possible effect on the election of your candidate. To you, it's a windfall;

    I see this as a gesture by a two-faced freak.

    And I see the lack of reaction to be a sign of hypocrisy - yet another sign that there are two standards of justice: one for the rich and famous, and one for the rest of us.

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    You get this week's "Eeyore Award." (none / 0) (#191)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:50:21 PM EST
    I know that we can always count on you to find something bad in something that's otherwise good. I bet you'd point out to pre-schoolers the inherent longstanding religious hypocrisy of the Catholic Church while they're engaged in an Easter Egg hunt.

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    It's good to be NYer... (none / 0) (#112)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:31:53 PM EST
    4 Stones 50th Anniversary concerts will be held before years end...2 in London, 2 at the new arena in Brooklyn.

    I'd gloat but it's gonna be the Dickens to score a ducat to this monster, don't wanna k.o.d. myself;)

    NYT investigation re Clint's monologue: (none / 0) (#129)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:07:11 PM EST
    Mara Liasson of NPR said this morning ... (none / 0) (#159)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:05:47 PM EST
    ... that observing Ann Romney during Eastwood's remarks was like seeing "the mother of the bride listening to a drunken wedding toast."

    Another One Bites the Dust (none / 0) (#160)
    by Dan the Man on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:09:12 PM EST
    Ex-Marine With AK-47 Kills Two and Self in New Jersey Supermarket

    A shooting in a supermarket in Old Bridge, New Jersey, left three employees dead, including the gunman, the township's mayor said.

    The shooter, an ex-Marine, had been employed at the store for about two weeks, Henry said. After showing up for work, he left the market and returned in military fatigues with an AK-47 rifle and an automatic pistol, shot the two victims and then himself, Henry said. The motive isn.t clear, Middlesex County Prosecutor Bruce Kaplan told reporters at the scene.

    Too bad the days of Obama or his wife visiting shooting victims are over.

    I think (2.00 / 1) (#178)
    by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:32:44 PM EST
    that Obama has already proposed his solution to these shootings.

    We should all pray and realize how these events bring us together as one family.

    No need for more visits;

    There is a master-visit on the roof.

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    They still meet many (none / 0) (#166)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:19:29 PM EST
    which particular incident are you complaining about?

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    Sikh victims in WI? (none / 0) (#167)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:22:04 PM EST
    Never trust TL (none / 0) (#168)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:26:47 PM EST
    Michelle was there a week ago.

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    Yes, only several weeks later (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Towanda on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 10:51:40 AM EST
    and in conjunction with a fundraiser.  

    But her husband did, within days, come within an hour's drive of the site of the disaster.  There must be points for being in the regional vicinity!

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    Now, now, Towanda (none / 0) (#195)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 12:35:22 PM EST
    You're just bitter because Obama never did find his "comfortable shoes" to walk the picket line with those trying to protect collective bargaining rights, as he promised to do when he was Candidate Obama.  And which, of course, he didn't manage to do in Wisconsin on behalf of the teachers and other public employees, when push came to shove.   ;-)
    (Yes, this is snark.)

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    At least he got the correct state, no? (none / 0) (#196)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 01:01:05 PM EST
    Nope. (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by Towanda on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 11:30:01 AM EST
    He was in Illinois.  He was in Iowa.   He has not crossed the border to set foot or comfy shoe in Wisconsin.

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    Good for her. (none / 0) (#190)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:17:55 PM EST
    The Trivia question today (none / 0) (#171)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:32:55 PM EST
    was what animal has the most taste buds. Believe it or not, it's the catfish. Bet they love bacon.

    How cruel then (none / 0) (#174)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:01:58 PM EST
    that they have to taste our grubby hands so often.

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    I can't bring myself to watch it. (none / 0) (#202)
    by coigue on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:14:14 PM EST
    Unforgiven is my favorite movie of all time.