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    Great Michael Clarke Duncan Story (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:11:29 AM EST
    Courtesy of Tom Hanks at the late MCD's memorial service this week.  Really priceless.  RIP, Michael Clarke. (link)

    Rockin' with... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:18:28 AM EST
    The J. Geils Band last night...great party atmosphere as they covered all their hits and some very cool classic covers...like an old school rock-n-roll revue.

    Peter Wolf is a great front man, always giving props to the forefathers and foremothers of the music we love, telling stories, working the stage.  The Uptown Horns were in the house adding soul to the brew.  Gotta tell ya it was hard work watching anything but the back-up singers shaking their moneymakers all night, some sweet singing foxes, hot damn.

    Good times, catch J. Geils if ya can people!

    If I did I would break into (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:23:26 AM EST
    the old aerobics routines I did in the 80's! The instructor was a huge J Geils fan. Some songs still just make me want to grapevine left, grapevine right. Clap Clap!

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    I only got into them... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:32:25 AM EST
    after getting into Peter Wolf's solo stuff...they had more hits then I realized.  Also wasn't aware how much sh*t they wrote for others.  When Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris, and Elvis Costello, record your tune, you're doing allright!

    They closed it out with "Land of 1000 Dances"...not an arse in a seat in the house.  

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    Freeze Frame (none / 0) (#13)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:53:10 AM EST
    Love Stinks.  Centerfold.  Got into them late in their band life, but still...memories of late 70s/early 80s flooding back like Champale ("The pleasure of Champagne, the convenience of a can.")

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    Peaceful protest in Benghazi (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by lilburro on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:41:06 PM EST
    "Sorry people of America this is not the behavior of our Islam and Prophet."  Moving pictures here.

    Awesomeness... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:48:26 PM EST
    too bad ya won't see that sh*t on the news, just endless loops of burning flags and "Death to America!".  Talk about fanning flames...

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    very nice (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by DFLer on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:50:13 PM EST
    except that whoever "translated " the sign to English spelled "Prophet" as "Profit"


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    I thought... (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:22:06 PM EST
    that was an intentional shout-out to American values. They do prophets, we do profits!

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    Be on the lookout (none / 0) (#1)
    by vicndabx on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:23:06 AM EST
    Report: US strikes on Iran would risk major war

    The report compiled by former government officials, national security experts and retired military officers is to be publicly released Thursday. It says achieving more than a temporary setback in Iran's nuclear program would require a military operation -- including a land occupation -- more taxing than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.
    Full Report (none / 0) (#49)
    by vicndabx on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:24:37 PM EST
    via this page


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    I have to say, (none / 0) (#2)
    by sj on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:01:32 AM EST
    I'm not sure how to react to this.  
    16 Amish accused of hate crimes in Ohio hair-cutting attacks
    It's both so silly and so tragic at the same time.

    Film Critics (none / 0) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:23:51 AM EST
    From my favorite Arab blogger on the current events:  

    I wish that those Muslim protesters who were outraged over the release of a silly hateful movie on the internet serve as film critics for Arabic movies that insult and offend women and poor people.  I wish that they condemn the sectarian bigotry that dominate Saudi and Qatari media.  I wish that they notice (and condemn) their trashy anti-Jewish rhetoric in their own propaganda.  Maybe then I can take them seriously.


    Juan Cole on the backstory re the making (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:51:45 PM EST
    (and dubbing) of the trailer:

    Informed Comment

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    'Bout time... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:36:44 AM EST
    you fools started listening to me....more Americans opting out of the banking system.

    I wish I could say it was because we're getting hip to the big con...but it looks like the main reason is so many people are f*ckin' broke.

    Come On Rush... (none / 0) (#10)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:50:31 AM EST
    ...quit hoping we fail. joke.

    The story is about people being so broke they can't afford bank fees and turn to check cashing places and renting furniture by the week.

    The study also found that one in four households, or 28.3 percent, either had one or no bank account. A third of these households said they do not have enough money to open and fund an account.

    That's just sad and I would hardly call not affording something so essential, opting out.

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    Fail? (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:02:43 PM EST
    I feel like a success...living the good life on peanuts without Chase, Citi, BofA, or any of those c*cksuckerations;)

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    But the Story Isn't About Kdog's... (none / 0) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:16:19 PM EST
    ...success, it's about normal folks who can't afford bank accounts.

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    I was just kidding... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:14:00 PM EST
    I noted the trend wasn't a principled one, just an economic one in most cases.  Glass half full man! ;)

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    Are you telling us kdog ain't "normal?" (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:25:30 PM EST
    :-)

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    Most Normal... (none / 0) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:20:51 PM EST
    ...insane person I know.  

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    But the article also includes this: (none / 0) (#11)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:51:49 AM EST
    Not only are these Americans more vulnerable to high fees and interest rates, but they are also cut off from credit to buy a car or a home or pay for college, the report from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said.

    Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

    Payday lenders and check cashing stores are nothing more than loan-sharking thieves, happily putting people into a horrendous cycle of debt. People who want to opt out of banking with the too-big-to-fails have other options, such as joining as small local banks or credit unions. I've been with a credit union for 18 years, and would never have been able to start two of my businesses or buy two of my cars without it. I never pay a fee for anything, have low rates on loans and slightly higher rates on interest. And I have no debt, because I pay my credit card off in full every month.

    I understand the temptation to head for the hills where banks are concerned, but hiding money under your mattress and foregoing any credit at all means you will pay more in the long run.

    And yes, I know my words fall on deaf ears. I can only hope the hundreds of thousands opting out of the system realize what they are doing to their opportunities when future needs arise.

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    Some things are worth paying more for... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:59:34 AM EST
    limiting my labor feeding the beast is worth a check-cashing & money order fee to me.  It's priceless.  

    At least the check-cashing guy is a local guy, and his profit is more likey to stay in the local economy.

    I wouldn't touch a payday loan with a ten-foot pole.  Bad news, no argument from me.  otoh, the big banks won't even look at those people...at least they have somewhere to go for a loan, even if it is a total rip-off.

    Credit Unions are the way to go for "normal" people, no doubt.  For me, Sealy Postuerpedic Savings all day every day.  

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    Who made the incendiary film? (none / 0) (#9)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:38:55 AM EST
    Nikoula Basseley Nikoula, according to HuffPo, and at least a dozen other news sites. In addition to the questionable themes presented, actors in the film say they were duped, and that their lines were dubbed over after the filming.

    A Coptic Christian living in California, Basseley was arrested and sent to jail in 2010 for bank fraud. What a speciman.

    Who are the financial backers this "film"?

    Who cares? (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:52:59 AM EST
    Nobody has to watch it...I'm not gonna.

    Two audiences for that crap...one that wants their haterade refilled, and one that is in desperate need of offense to their prophet to distract their people from their real problems.

    It's all such a stupid red herring...

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    Of course nobody has to watch it (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:59:48 AM EST
    That's not the point. This isn't some cut-and-dried first amendment issue. It's looking more and more like this "film" was produced by a bunch of con artists, and not for creative purposes at all, but with the precise intent of inflaming passions in the Muslim world. And it's now being used as a political football -- which is exactly what these creeps wanted.

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    And how would you (2.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:10:34 PM EST
    keep someone else from doing something similar?

    Remember the FL preacher who was gonna burn a Koran?

    Remember the furor over the "disrespect" shown by our military guards?

    Remember the Danish cartoon showing Mohammed wearing a turban with a bomb and the riots?? And how most of our newspapers refused to print it?

    What would you suggest?

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    Yeah, great argument there (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:20:38 PM EST
    Listen up: I never said we or I would be able to prevent someone from doing this. And, for the record, your little flame thrower, Terry Jones, is looking like he has central involvment with this film. Are you scared that we might find out that the people who funded and produced it did it solely for incendiary purposes?

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    Is the purpose relevant? (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:35:27 PM EST
    Icendiary, artistic, educational...what does that matter?  

    Maybe if you're deciding whether you wanna watch the thing the intentions of the producers matter...otherwise, they have the right regardless of their intentions, 'nuff said.  

    The solution is not to give the thing any hits or any press...any attempt to discredit the thing is preaching to the choir.  The market for this crap won't care, be it the muslim-haters or the muslim "don't you dare laugh at my prophet" free speech haters.

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    Terry Jones?? (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:27:46 PM EST
    You got me there, I'll have to Google him.

    And I don't care why they did it.

    Fact is, they had the right.

    You are either for free speech are you are not.

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    Ha ha (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:52:40 PM EST
    Now you've forgotten who he is?  You threw a giant fit when someone stole his Quran awhile back before he could publicly burn it.

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    Of COURSE they had the right ... (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:04:17 PM EST
    ... to spew they're ignorant hate-speech ... just as you do.

    That doesn't make them exempt from criticism.  In fact, exposing them is the best disinfectant.

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    Jim's own blog (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 05:31:37 PM EST
    How sad :)

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    That blog is a sad spectacle (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:44:05 PM EST
    of ignorance, fear and hate. But the worst offense is... it's boring. Also, Jim needs a proofreader.

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    shoephone, yes I do (1.00 / 2) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:39:18 PM EST
    Do you also make coffee and pick up cleaning??

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    Why am I not surprised (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 04:32:34 AM EST
    You can't do that for yourself, and neither will anyone else :)?  Job remains permanently unfilled because nobody will volunteer for slave labor wages and treatment :)

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    MT, does that mean you don't do coffee? (1.00 / 1) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 11:39:55 AM EST

    Wait til YOU are asked.

    ;-)

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    I brew a great cup of coffee, (none / 0) (#73)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:27:38 AM EST
    but don't run errands. However, I do make a little dough freelance editing. In the meantime, you can get the AP Stylebook for just under $20.00. (The latest edition of Chicago Manual of Style is quite a bit more pricey, at $65.00 a pop.)

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    Sigh... I am so disappointed (1.00 / 1) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:09:42 PM EST
    Running errands is definitely part of the job description since I can't afford driving due to Obama's sky high gasoline prices.

    As to style, I write Southern. Don't like it, don't read it.

    ;-)

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    Oh, Jim , please don't misconstrue (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:19:43 PM EST
    I wouldn't help you out with your cra*ppy racist, mysognistic blog if it was the last paying job on earth. I suspect anyone with a brain and a shred of decency would want to stay at least 500 feet away from you and your nutjob confederate fantasies.

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    So you were just teasing me?? (none / 0) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 08:50:26 PM EST
    Sigh.... what's a guy to do?

    ;-)

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    you idiot (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by DFLer on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 05:00:10 PM EST
    you just said above:

    Remember the FL preacher who was gonna burn a Koran?


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    Yeah, you dummy (1.00 / 1) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:46:57 PM EST
    I didn't remember the name...

    I suppose you never have done that.

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    But DFFLer, you know how it is (none / 0) (#65)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:39:20 PM EST
    with liars. After awhile they can't keep track of all the lies they've told to whom, or when. (Even when they put it in writing, apparently!)

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    So shoephone can't debate (1.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:40:45 PM EST
    s/he can only insult.

    BTW - I gave  you a link with the timeline.

    But don't let facts bother you.

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    The link to Breitbart? (none / 0) (#76)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 08:47:41 AM EST
    The same one that, despite contorting logic to try to prove a falsehood, proves you and Romney are lying?

    Heh.

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    Yeah, I Hate Those People That Insult... (none / 0) (#77)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 09:27:59 AM EST
    Yeah, you dummy (1.00 / 1) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ

    And lovely blog Jim, you come here and act like you are this moderate when nothing could be further from the truth.  You are a hate filled little man Jim; have the balls to own up to it and quit running around calling yourself Independent and/or moderate, which is clearly a bold face lie.

    And this quote, which is in about every post at your blog is really something else Jim, surprised you haven't used it here seeing your fondness of it.

    "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

    Real nice, and quite amusing when you consider the intolerance you exude on your blog, damn it's like you bask in the irony of your own intolerance.  Not to mention how this is in direct conflict with the very Constitution you claim to hold so dear.  But I get it, your intolerance is justified.

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    The response was to DFLer (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:04:30 PM EST
    you idiot (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by DFLer on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 04:00:10 PM CST
    you just said above:

    Remember the FL preacher who was gonna burn a Koran?

    I figure being called an idiot because I didn't remember Terry Jones qualified DFLer as a dummy. (Actually several other words came to mind.)

    My response to shoephone was:

    So shoephone can't debate (1.00 / 1) (#68)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 10:40:45 PM CST
    s/he can only insult.
    BTW - I gave  you a link with the timeline.

    But don't let facts bother you.

    It was  based on s/he's response to DFLer's:

    But DFFLer, you know how it is (none / 0) (#65)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:39:20 PM CST
    with liars. After awhile they can't keep track of all the lies they've told to whom, or when. (Even when they put it in writing, apparently!)

    I think my description was accurate.

    I am hopeful that Jeralyn will step in and put a stop to people calling others liars and idiots. At one time that would have been a no-no. But, if a coarsened discourse is now acceptable I know all the words and will respond in kind.

    And if you don't like the blog, don't read it. I have never mentioned it here and have never linked to it.

    As for Popper, I think he makes the point quite clearly that we should not tolerate people who try to tell us what we can and cannot say.

    That defines the current PC nonsense being flouted around quite well.

    And I have never said I was a "moderate." I have said I am a social liberal who believes in gay rights, including marriage, a woman's right to chose, changing our drug laws, (other) minority rights, in LWOP instead of executions.

    And I have always been very much a hawk on foreign policy.

    So if you find my opposition to Obama and his failed foreign policy and my opposition to anything I see as supporting Shariah law in the US as immoderate then you are welcome to do so.

    US Social Liberal's are free speech purists.


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    Any person who actually believes (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:23:52 PM EST
    that Shariah law is taking hold in the U.S. is a person desperately in need of professional psychiatric care.

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    Well, having seen (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 08:47:31 PM EST
    many comments demanding that the movie makers be punished for insulting Mohammed I say that would be a start.

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    THAT'S evidence (none / 0) (#85)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 08:01:58 AM EST
    ... that Shariah law is taking hold in the US?!?!?

    Jim, ..... you're a seriously funny guy.

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    True, the First Amendment (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:21:36 PM EST
    allows one to say such things.

    That does not immunize, however, the speaker from criticism.  

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    Criticism?? Yes (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:30:11 PM EST
    Rioting and killing people, no.

    And this wasn't the first time.

    Link

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    No one is excusing ... (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:16:30 PM EST
    ... the rioting and killing.

    No one, OTOH, is denying these wingnuts the right to engage in their Islamaphobic film making.  But their film and it's juvenile hate-speech was rightfully disavowed by the embassy.

    Walk ... chew gum.

    Same time.

    You are right about one thing ... not the first time:

    "Note To Conservatives: Anders Breivik is a Christian"

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    I wasn't referring to the people (none / 0) (#60)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 06:10:13 PM EST
    who were rioting.

    The religious wackos get to produce their movie; we get to point out they are wackos who are very destructive.

    The rioters should be stopped.

    It doesn't seem all that controversial.

     

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    Well, if you don't point that out (1.00 / 1) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:42:23 PM EST
    how do you know that everyone will understand?

    I know you have heard of the Internet.

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    Not much to be done, legally (none / 0) (#38)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:30:13 PM EST
    They have 1st Amendment rights.

    All we can do is expose their garbage and condemn their ridiculous rantings.

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    Yes, the film, (none / 0) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:24:03 PM EST
    if there is one other than the trailer, is of mysterious provenance. But, what is known is that it's purpose is as agent provocateur.  From Salaman Rushdie's Satanic Verses,  Danish cartoons, that reverend in Florida, Terry Jones, who wanted to burn holy books, the soldiers in  Afghanistan who did burn Qurans, and, even, Pope Benedict's infamous Regensburg Lecture at which he used an unfavorable remark  about Islam made in the 14th century, we know that violence or threats of violence follows like flatulence follows beans.

    Determining what, if any, coordination in events of the past days requires investigation into a possible foreign or domestic genesis.    

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    Some of the intertoobs say that this movie's (none / 0) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:42:22 PM EST
    "trailer" was released on You Tube on on 9/10/12, but the next day's embassy attacks were planned long before then. And that the trailer had been distributed to certain ME organizations well in advance of You Tube release.

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    One Planned... (none / 0) (#23)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:12:09 PM EST
    ..the others not.

    U.S. officials say this was not an out-of-control demonstration, but a well-executed assault by a well-armed band of thugs. Officials suspect the attackers are either associated with or sympathize with al Qaeda and that they took advantage of a demonstration sparked by that anti-Muslim film to launch their assault on the anniversary of 9/11.

    LINK

    So was this well planned attack just waiting for a spark, clearly the video gave the attack cover, but the timing doesn't make sense.  Just wait for the Americans to do some thing stupid before attacking, doesn't seem like a good plan.  It's not like something like this happens every week.  it's like they knew when the film was going to be released.

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    yup. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:55:20 PM EST
    it's like they knew when the film was going to be released.


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    What are you suggesting? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:33:28 PM EST
    Are you suggesting that the producers of the film were coordinating with the attackers?

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    No (none / 0) (#45)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:17:01 PM EST
    Not at all, but it's very odd how a well coordinated attack occurred in the midst of a protest over a video released the day before.

    The plausible answer is they were waiting for something, or they they had planned on staging some sort of demonstration.

    I don't think the Muslim hating 'film' makers coordinated with Muslin extremists.

    And while everyone can talk about the first amendment, this is global, and as much as I love that Amendment, it's not universal.  The fact is these guys released an explosive hate film that ended up getting American's killed.  And if they did it on purpose they need to feel the fire.  Not sure what that fire is, but they don't get to walk away scot free, especially if they lied to everyone involved.  That has got to be fraud on some level.  They clearly incited violence, and by lying to the actors it's not a stretch to believe it was purposeful.

    What Muslims should do is create an identical film, but throw jesus into it, then the idiot brigade just might understand why people are upset.


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    I guess your theory is a possibility. (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:19:30 PM EST
    And there are many similar to it floating around the internet today.

    The latest article I read says the trailer was put on You Tube way back in July, and had gotten some mainstream ME media attention recently before 9/11.

    So, I think the trailer is just another in a long line of reasons/excuses/whatever for some people to get  riled up.

    Whether it was "the" reason for the Benghazi attack or not does not seem particularly important in the grand scheme of things.

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    Not MY theory (none / 0) (#50)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:27:25 PM EST
    What in my statement would suggest that this was my theory?  I was asking whether this was your theory, as you appeared to be suggesting.

    Interesting how people will make allusions rather than just spit it out.

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    Heh, I think I know what you're alluding to (none / 0) (#51)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:41:12 PM EST
    in your last sentence...

    fwiw, the "latest article" I referenced previously (but neglected to link to, mea culpa) corrected several facts from previous articles that I had read, including, like I said, that the trailer's You Tube release date was sometime in July, not 9/10. This did change my opinion about what had happened.

    So, don't be afraid to spit it out, what is your theory re the trailer?

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    Like that, did ya? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:50:26 PM EST
    Not my style, generally.  If I have a theory or want to make an accusation, I'll just say it.  But I understand that some people aren't like that.

    As far as the trailer, I don't really have a theory.  From news reports so far, it sounds like the producer of this video (Bacile/Nikoula/whatever) is part of some anti-Islamic group that was just trying to stir the pot and maybe get some attention.  It's an easy way for extremists to incite the mobs and light a fire.  I hope the producers of this film are exposed, but it doesn't look (so far) like they've done anything illegal ...

    ... just utterly irresponsible.

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    It was first released in July (none / 0) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:58:59 PM EST
    of this year,

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    Ya, thanks, just read that as well. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 04:07:50 PM EST


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    That Would Mean... (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 04:09:03 PM EST
    ...all the protests were planned for 9/11, not exactly the date one picks to distance oneself from extremists.

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    MSNBC is Reporting (none / 0) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 04:21:10 PM EST
    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who the AP said is on probation after being convicted of financial crimes, also was twice sentenced to jail after being found guilty of intent to manufacture methamphetamine in the late 1990s, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office told NBC News.

    Court records show that Nakoula also was convicted on federal fraud charges in Los Angeles in 2010. As part of the conditions of his probation, Nakoula was barred from using "any online service at any location" without the prior approval of his probation officer, according to a copy of court records in the case.

    He is an Egypt-born Coptic Christian.

    Copts make up a minority in Egypt where they have been victims of discrimination and sometimes attacks by Islamic extremists.

    LINK

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:56:47 PM EST
    and that bozo just made it worse for the Coptic Christians who are still there in Egypt.

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    I would guess impossible is more like it n/t (none / 0) (#75)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 08:45:30 AM EST


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    Indeed (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:44:15 PM EST


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    Indeed (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 11:44:15 PM EST


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    I read That... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 12:09:22 PM EST
    ..and after looking at the 'film' yesterday for the 3 mins I could tolerate it, it made total sense.  There are parts that clearly are dubbed over.

    Here is part of it, watch for the dubbing, it's pretty obvious.

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    I watched the first six minutes (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:34:24 PM EST
    and that is six minutes of my life I will never get back. Yes, there is overdubbing -- mostly in parts where the name Mohammad is uttered.  

    It's obvious this was made in about two days time and then sent around on YouTube. Ridiculously bad moviemaking. I did better than this in seventh grade, with a friend's Super 8.

    It's impossible to know what to make of it.  

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    Absolutely correct (none / 0) (#29)
    by fishcamp on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 01:46:17 PM EST
    regarding all the comments about the film. The parts I could stand to watch were shot via Chromakey or green screen.  The weather people do it all the time.  They have all the background shots ready and the actors do their thing in front of it.  It was probably shot up at the old Spahn Ranch film location where Charles Manson lived.  It's a piece of crap.

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    Right... (none / 0) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:19:39 PM EST
    ...it's so bad that I could tell it was offensive, but had no idea what the point was.  A biography ?

    And that green screen, holy damn hell, that is easily the worse use of it ever.

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    years ago when I was (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by fishcamp on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 05:19:25 PM EST
    a cameraman for ABC there came a day when the entire network went from film to video.  We didn't understand what was inside the Betacams but we learned Chromakey immediately because it was fun.  If you wrapped yourself in a green blanket and stood in front of the green screen and peeked out they could only see what was exposed.  You became the invisible man.  fun but silly.

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    Lol.... (none / 0) (#64)
    by samsguy18 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 09:06:39 PM EST


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    Your comments made me look (none / 0) (#61)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 07:24:25 PM EST
    It's almost like a 5th grader tried to make a Monty-Python-like spoof ... no offense to 5th graders.  The writing, the acting, the production values.  It's hard to believe someone spent $50,000 on this, let alone $5 million.  I have no doubt you could have done a better job in seventh grade.

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    Hard for me not to get a little CT... (none / 0) (#41)
    by magster on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 02:53:07 PM EST
    ... on whether there's a $$ link between this video and some of Rmoney's big-wig campaign supporters.

    And, IE8 crashes every time I try to click open a talkleft story. The main page loads fine, but not the stories. Google Chrome works (but oddly doesn't autorefresh Kos like IE8, so I'm hopping between browsers).

    Move over, magster (none / 0) (#43)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 03:06:09 PM EST
    I felt like making myself a tinfoil hat, too.  It did briefly cross my mind to wonder if some of the money for the video came from oh, say, the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson, or others like that. But, no, I think that's too far-fetched, even for them.

    I would have speculated that Grover Norquist was somehow involved, except that he is married to a Palestinian Muslim, and I can't see him having anything to do with this.

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    We could make our own film (none / 0) (#63)
    by fishcamp on Thu Sep 13, 2012 at 08:57:14 PM EST
    and crush them.  I know how to do it but we need writers and actors and actresses.  We need a great idea and an even greater script.  We also do not need any green screen crap.  I like to shoot and edit with flat cuts of time and space.  Dr. Zhivago comes to mind.

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