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    Money is artificial (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:10:02 AM EST
    People are not. That is all one needs to figure out in order to fix this economy. But selfishness and ignorance will put up a battle. Phuck them.

    Street Justice, Iranian Edition... (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:30:48 AM EST
    Iranian cleric tells a girl to cover up, she tells him to cover his eyes...then cleans his clock.  

    I think I'm in love.

    Soccer, Iranian Style... (none / 0) (#33)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 04:05:32 PM EST
    ...some idiot throws a small grenade out on the field and a player picks it up, tossed it, and fireball follows.

    No one hurt.  VIDEO

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    39 years ago yesterday... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:52:29 AM EST
    we lost Gram Parsons all too soon.  

    We'll Sweep Out the Ashes in the Morning with Emmylou Harris

    A true genius and pioneer... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 10:05:33 AM EST
    Cry One More Time

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    RIP (none / 0) (#5)
    by lilburro on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 10:05:02 AM EST
    no one like Gram Parsons.  I don't like a lot of country music but he had a really unique talent, viewpoint, and voice.  

    Hickory Wind.

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    My fave Gram and Emmy Lou duet (none / 0) (#17)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:46:16 PM EST
    is Love Hurts. Here is a link

    Gram was a brilliant musician and another one we lost too soon.

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    I prefer Emmylou Harris' version. (none / 0) (#23)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:28:56 PM EST
    Link

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    My favorite with Emmylou (none / 0) (#10)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 12:12:00 PM EST
    Grievous Angel, a live version.

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    They say the apple... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 10:08:50 AM EST
    don't fall far from the tree...but in Mitt Romney's case, the apple fell from the tree, rolled down a hill, into a river, out into the ocean.

    Sixty years ago Sunday (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by brodie on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 10:30:31 AM EST
    Nixon's Checkers Speech the one that, regrettably, saved his political career.  And he skillfully and boldly outmaneuvered Ike, with aid and encouragement from campaign mgr Murray Chotiner.

    I remember first seeing this speech, broadcast well before my time, in the early 70's in a college theater showing the documentary Milhous, to hoots of derisive laughter from the young audience.

    (h/t Chuck Todd)

    Afghan Judicial Panel rejects Indefinite Detention (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:48:52 AM EST
    Afghan Judicial Panel Refuses To Accept Indefinite Detention Law While Federal Court Allows It To Continue Under U.S. Law

    - Tsk tsk tsk.  Those Afghans.  Such provincialism.  Don't they realize how Bravely this New World freedom has been fought for by our Nobel Peace Prize Laureate-in-Chief?

    Because we all need some truly good (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 12:12:05 PM EST
    and uplifting news, I bring you this, from Glenn Greenwald's Guardian blog:

    Here's a fantastic story: public high school students in Kentucky were repeatedly censored by school administrators from writing articles in their high school newspaper about controversial issues, including the bullying faced by gay students and the various difficulties for atheists. In response, the budding high school journalists raised their own funds and began their own independent newspaper, The Red Pen, and then proceeded to write about whatever they wanted, including stories they knew would never be allowed by their administrators. Here is their mission statement:

    "Whereas, in the interest of democracy and honest expression, responsible students ought to have a voice unrestricted by external control,

    "Whereas this voice must be protected, expanded and well-communicated,

    "Whereas systems of prior review and administrative regulation of student press do unjustifiably restrict this voice,

    "Whereas we, students of Kentucky, wish to create an organization which supports all true journalistic endeavors,

    "Whereas good journalism can and will lead to a more just and open society,

    "We hereby establish, as an extension of Kentucky's free student press,

    "The Red Pen."

    (Here is one example of the type of journalism they then produced: a profile and interview with a high school sophomore transitioning from female to male identity).

    It was announced Tuesday that these students - along with their high school adviser who was reassigned after he defended their rights to publish - were named as the recipients of the 2012 Courage in Student Journalism Award. That award is given each year for journalistic courage by the Student Press Law Center, the National Scholastic Press Association, and the Center for Scholastic Journalism at Kent State University, which underwrites a $500 cash prize plus travel expenses for the winners to travel to the ceremony to accept their award.

    As Glenn goes on to say, would that the "adult establishment press corps" exhibited the same kind of commitment.  

    So you can give (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:24:32 PM EST
    the Florida Gators some love..

    In late 1971, editor Ron Sachs approved an insert to be published in The Alligator that printed the addresses of known abortion clinics. At the time, not only was abortion illegal in Florida, but even the printing of abortion information violated state law. The insert, a deliberate challenge by Sachs in protest of laws against abortion, threw the university into a firestorm. Both Sachs and university president Stephen C. O'Connell faced intense public pressure. When O'Connell discovered that Sachs was protected by federal First Amendment case law, he started working to disavow any connection between the university and The Alligator.

    To defuse the hostile situation, Florida Attorney General Robert Shevin ruled that to protect students' First Amendment rights, the university and The Alligator should split. At the time, O'Connell declared that never again would UF sponsor a student newspaper on campus.

    And to this day, the University of Florida newspaper is written and printed and financed off campus by students and known as The Independent Florida Alligator.

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    Thanks for sharing that - it really does my (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:49:33 PM EST
    heart good to read about people of courage and integrity - things that are sorely lacking, I think, in a mainstream that is little more than stenography, complete with approved quotes and anonymous sources, and wholly undeserving of being labeled "journalism."

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    President Obama is so profound (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Slado on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:26:39 PM EST
    The most important lesson I've learned is that you can't change Washington from the inside," he told a Univision forum Thursday. You can only change it from the outside.

    Four More Years!!!!

    Before you say this is out of context (3.50 / 2) (#24)
    by Slado on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:29:54 PM EST
    Keep in mind how crazy the context is.

    He went on to say...

    "That's how some of our biggest accomplishments like health care got done -- mobilizing the American people."

    Uh Huh.  Mobilized 60% to be against your bill but passed it anyway in the dead of night through legislative kick backs.

    Four More Years!!!

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    And now - time to pity the 0.000001% (none / 0) (#1)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:09:52 AM EST
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-19/hidden-johnson-billionaires-found-in-fidelity-fund-empire.h tml

    Remember, all y'all vassals, serfs, peasants, and fools for the rich, to keep voting Republican and DINO, because we've got to grovel together to prevent those nasty commie marxist income and estate taxes from depriving these poor hardworkin' billionaires of, well, anything they want.

    First full day of 47%gate in Ras tracking poll (none / 0) (#12)
    by magster on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 12:38:04 PM EST
    and Obama goes up 3% in one day.  

    Certain GOP Senate candidates... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:15:19 PM EST
    sure have taken note...the rhetoric has flipped like a switch...they're sh*tting teabags.

    Scott Brown, Linda McMahaon, Dean Heller, George Allen, Linda Lingle...All Aboard!!! Last call for the last train outta Romneyville!!!

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    Everyone for themselves (none / 0) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:29:35 PM EST
    abandon ship.

    The great thing long term is that the GOP establishment don't think their ideas are the problem. They see the candidate as the problem. This has them wanting to shift even further to the right.

    Prime example: number one on the far right Club for Growth hit list for the next election...they want to take out Lindsey Graham because he's too liberal.

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    Too liberal? Not because he's a twit? (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:51:37 PM EST
    Liberal, eh? I don't think that word means what they think it means then.

    I could understand going after Graham on the grounds  that he is annoyingly slimy and so very smug.

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    The more extreme the GOP's positions (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:57:33 PM EST
    are, the more mainstream the so-called compromise/bipartisan/post-partisan positions Obama has such an affinity for become, so if you have any suggestions about how to keep Obama and the rest of the Dems from using the GOP's position as the end point from which the middle is measured, I'd sure like to hear them.

    Because what's been happening is that things that used to be considered moderately liberal are being pushed over into "flaming liberal/socialist" territory, which makes them easier to jettison in the interest of "coming together and getting things done."

    Do you think there's any point in telling Dems we want them to start defining that endpoint, so the so-called middle can start making its way leftward?

    I mean, if this were a domestic relationship, it would be one where our position used to be that physical violence was never to be tolerated, and now, because the extreme is "being beaten every night," we've been settling for the middle ground of only being kicked around two or three times a week, and worse, telling ourselves that that's progress!

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    One thought that occurs: (none / 0) (#36)
    by brodie on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 04:29:41 PM EST
    The left needs to get stronger and its leadership needs new blood, younger and with a fresher more creative approach.  Too much of its mostly tired, spent energy is reflected in the continual citing and recycling of the dubious likes of the Old Guard -- Chomsky, Hitchens, Jackson Sr, Rev Al, Prof West and perceived lefties like Dr Dean and Ralfie.

    Not a lot of real lefties with spunk and imagination out there today showing the way can be found -- or at least not many names come to mind.  So perhaps growing the left, making it a strong relevant political force that cant be ignored by the Dem Party and that will help to keep the center from moving rightward, will be a grassroots bottom-up situation, and if so maybe OWS was the beginning.  But I'm skeptical that a largely leaderless movement can succeed sufficiently in the near term -- that seems inherently something that needs a good deal of time to bear fruit.

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    All people (none / 0) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 04:51:46 PM EST
    decide the middle through elections.  The middle in the Senate would be anyone ranked from about 40-60 on a liberal or a conservative ranking regardless of party. Needing 60 votes in the Senate, that's the middle for both sides. Conservatives view their middle as too liberal (e.g. Snow, Collins, Lindsey Graham). The Dems see their middle as too conservative (e.g. Lieberman, McCaskill, Ben Nelson). But the middle is what moves legislation forward or puts it in the trash bin.

    Also, each state is different. Lindsey Graham ranked 59th on the Senate liberal scale, while barely a Senate moderate, is far and away the most liberal Senator from his state.

    What was once upon a time or what might be in our dreams is not for current elections. A far left Senate candidate running in a red state is a sure loser, and a useless exercise when a blue dog Dem could have won the race.

    Now the question I pose is, would it be good for the Club for Growth to take down Graham in the primary? And my answer to that is, only if there is a blue dog Dem that ranks at least 59th or higher on that same liberal scale that wins the general election. Otherwise, if the Club for Growth candidate wins it's a net loss that moves the middle a step further to the right and moves you further away from what you want.

    The far right and far left don't move the middle at all. The middle is decided in the trenches.


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    That guy is my senator (none / 0) (#69)
    by the capstan on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:48:13 PM EST
    (and actually from my current town).  I guess I am going to be voting in a Republican primary to my great astonishment.  He is almost sane.

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    Do you (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:52:19 PM EST
    live in Seneca? I lived across the county line from Seneca over in Pickens. Me thinks they want to get rid of Lindsay because he's gay and it's going to come out sooner or later.

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    I moved over from (none / 0) (#74)
    by the capstan on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:03:46 PM EST
    Clemson and will be moving back soon.  He's gay??  I have a gay relative, but that does not mean I think about who is what!  Graham did volunteer 'lawyering' a bit helping set up trusts for the retarded.  I have an adult retarded child--the impetus for moving here, but that one is firmly settled in a group home and program here now.

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    As you know (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 11:56:02 AM EST
    this happens a lot--people moving between Clemson and Seneca I guess because they're so close to each other and some of my family members say that housing in Seneca is lot less.

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    Gallup says dead heat (none / 0) (#22)
    by Slado on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:27:18 PM EST
    Gallup

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    Average Obama +3.1 (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 05:08:34 PM EST
    But nice cherry-picking ...

    Keep hope alive!

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    Elizabeth Warren (none / 0) (#53)
    by NYShooter on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:40:23 PM EST
    has shown leading Scott Brown in last four consecutive polls.

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    I REALLY hope ... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:26:27 PM EST
    ... she can pull it off ...

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    from your mouth (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CST on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:03:39 PM EST
    To gods ear.  I missed the debate tonight but my "objective" fb sources indicate she did well.

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    and global warming is currently (none / 0) (#56)
    by observed on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:49:19 PM EST
    down, in Antarctica.

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    and Greenland is melting.. (none / 0) (#57)
    by DFLer on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:00:29 PM EST


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    Has anyone taken this quiz?..... (none / 0) (#20)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:21:23 PM EST
    It is a presidential election quiz to see which candidate you most agree with.

    http://www.isidewith.com/

    Apparently, I agree most with Jill Stein, followed closely by Gary Johnson.

    I came up with (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 05:43:39 PM EST
    CoralGables 100%
    Obama 85%
    Romney 5%

    Those are the only three legitimate candidates from where I'm sitting and I'm smart enough not to vote for me, so Obama it is.

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    I got 99% (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by the capstan on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:06:13 PM EST
    Jill Stein.

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    The capstan, you must be (none / 0) (#91)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 12:19:51 PM EST
    even more liberal than I am!  I got 98% Jill Stein- you beat me by 1%!  I never thought that I would ever really hear of anyone more liberal than I am.  Congratulations!      ;-)

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    In that 3 horse race... (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 10:06:30 AM EST
    I'm voting for you CG...though I would feel bad about wishing such a sh*t job on ya, the country needs ya!

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    I know what you're saying, kdog (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 12:22:00 PM EST
    Mr. Zorba has always maintained that anyone who really wants to be President should automatically be disqualified.    ;-)
    Draft Coral Gables!

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    Mr. Z... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 12:30:42 PM EST
    must be a fellow admirer of Kurt Vonnegut.

    "There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president."



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    He does like Kurt (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 12:43:25 PM EST
    And so, for that matter, do I.
    Mr. Z. has also always said that there should be a choice of "none of the above" for each candidate, for whatever office, and if "none of the above" got the most votes, then that particular election should be held again, with the provision that none of the other, losing candidates for that office would be allowed to run in the new election.
    Not that it would ever happen, but it sounds tempting to me.  That would allow the voters (like me) who are sick and tired of voting for the "lesser of two evils" to have a real choice.    ;-)

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    I like it... (none / 0) (#95)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 12:48:48 PM EST
    One of my daydreams is to forget about elections and fill all electoral positions by random draft lottery...pick a social security number out of hat, you're the next representative/senator/president.  Kinda like jury duty.

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    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 01:30:24 PM EST
    The only problem with this is that I know more than a few people who I very frankly think would be even more disastrous as an elected official than the current crop (hard to believe, but I live in the boonies of Western Maryland and I know a few people who are almost right out of Deliverance), and I wouldn't even want them on a jury.  

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    LOL (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 04:25:29 PM EST
    I thought the deep south was the only place you found people right out of deliverance.

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    No, not only the deep south (none / 0) (#98)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:47:18 PM EST
    Come on up our way, Ga6thDem.  But then, Maryland was a very contested border state.  And where I live, it's a very, very red area of an otherwise blue state.  I see a lot of Confederate flag stickers on pick-up trucks here, and there are a couple of "jockey statues" that portray black "jockeys."  So there you are.

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    Another quiz (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:19:30 PM EST
    very short just 12 questions

    this one from Pew Research

    to see where you fall on the scale from very liberal to very conservative. Since I landed as a very liberal DEM, I'll assume a few here will break the left barrier

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    What a shock! I'm Very Liberal!!! (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:43:03 PM EST
    OMG - who knew???

    Other than everyone here, of course...

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    Yep, (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by the capstan on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:08:30 PM EST
    I was almost at the end of the line.

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    It had (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:23:21 PM EST
    me liberal but I really don't think I'm that far left but that what is right has moved so far that what I would consider center left is now the far end of the left spectrum apparently.

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    It says I am very liberal on social issues (none / 0) (#63)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:35:51 PM EST
    and a moderate democrat on economic issues. Overall liberal democrat. I would have to disagree. I don't think I am anywhere as liberal as most of you here.

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    Imagine my surprise. Not. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:48:47 PM EST
    I'm very much to the end of the "blue" range in all areas.
    DFH, that's me.   ;-)

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    Hanging off the edge (none / 0) (#72)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:52:47 PM EST
    on both social and economic issues....

    And, I said I "largely disagreed" with the assertion that corporations make too much profit, and thought that would prove my free market bonafides....

    I think it is great that Apple is making a lot of moolah.....I also think a lot of it should go to scholarships and day care....

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    I cam in as very liberal Dem (none / 0) (#79)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:41:52 PM EST
    and am disappointed there's no category for very liberal and not aligned with party.

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    Gary Johnson here... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:40:25 PM EST
    by a nose, 3% ahead of Jill Stein.

    Who is Rocky Anderson?  He came in third, then Obama...then the redheaded stepchild Mitt Romney at 5%.  

    Must be a flaw in the poll for Romney not to be in the negative;)

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    Jill Stein - 95% (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:47:07 PM EST
    Obama at 81% and Gary Johnson at 74%.

    Romney came in at 4%.

    The only way I can explain the Obama number is based on what he says and not on what he does.

    I can't explain Romney at all - what 4% could we possibly agree on?  Haven't a clue.

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    Hadn't heard of Jill Stein (5.00 / 0) (#38)
    by brodie on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 05:01:18 PM EST
    Well at least the Green Pty seems to have moved on from Ralf.

    Nice set of positions on the issues but she and the GP can only be spoilers right now at the presidential level in our system.  Why don't these people get out there with a stronger effort and presence in the off years and really try to grow their party, starting at the local and state levels.  And where is their presence in the liberal media -- Msnbc and Current tv for starters?  Has Dr Stein even been on MHP or Chris Hayes?

    Where was the discussion here at TL when the party was holding it's convention in July?

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    Spoiler? (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:47:02 PM EST
    Yeah, it'd be a real elfin' shame if Stein started pulling in the left in the blue states. Maybe the Dems would start paying more attention to that wing of the party. Or at least show up for something besides raising $$$$$$. As it is now, they are spending their time catering to the right of center and moving the party into R territory.

    Oh, and the GP moved on from RN awhile ago. Pay attention! ;)

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    Have no idea who Anderson is. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:47:50 PM EST
    Obama came in third for me, followed by Mitt. It says I agree with Romney on economic issues...oops! Do I ban myself from TL or wait for BTD to do it?.... :-)

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    Rocky Anderson is the fomer (none / 0) (#43)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:02:01 PM EST
    Mayor of Salt Lake City.  He was very opposed to the Iraq War.

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    Maybe we should vote for Gary (none / 0) (#26)
    by Slado on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:44:06 PM EST
    I got him too.

    Who's with me!

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    Already there brother... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:58:04 PM EST
    what took ya so long? ;)

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    Rocky Anderson is the former mayor of (none / 0) (#44)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:05:10 PM EST
    Salt Lake City. He is actually quite liberal, especially for a SLC mayor.

    Here is his campaign website.

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    Salt Lake City is very much like (none / 0) (#45)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:13:11 PM EST
    Portland--in look, feel and politics.

    But, the boundaries of Salt Lake City proper make it very small when compared to the suburbs which are very, very conservative.

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    I did not know that about SLC. (none / 0) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:16:30 PM EST
    I guess I am guilty of seeing Utah through a narrow lens.


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    This time of the year (none / 0) (#48)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:21:05 PM EST
    is when SLC is at its best.   The change of colors sweep down the mountains, orange to green, and it is not too hot, not too cold.

    Nov.-April, stay in Park City.

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    You didn't see Utah (none / 0) (#50)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:29:24 PM EST
    through a narrow lens. You need a narrow lens to see that patch of Salt Lake in Utah.

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    Ha! (none / 0) (#75)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:05:56 PM EST


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    Now I wish I could vote.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:55:45 PM EST
    would love to cast a vote for Jill Stein.

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    I'll think of you (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 04:21:05 PM EST
    when I cast my vote for her :)

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    Romney 70%, Obama 66%, Stein 60% for me. (none / 0) (#40)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 05:20:00 PM EST
    And it said I agree with the Dem positions more than the Repub positions.

    I hereby declare myself The Center, with all the mandate that that gives me, and all you all are the fringe.

    I have spoken.

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    Yes, I'm 90% with the Dems (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Towanda on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:45:01 PM EST
    but much less in agreement with Obama.  

    Which would mean that Obama is much less in agreement with (traditional, old-school?) Dem stances, wouldn't it?  Oh, wait, we knew that.

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    Stein 96%, Obama 90% (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 05:55:43 PM EST
    Rocky Anderson 80%, Gary Johnson, 65% and gawdamighty Romney 7%.

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    My results. (none / 0) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:13:50 PM EST
    Stein 95%

    Obama 83% (his words mainly, not his actions)

    Anderson 76%

    Romney 6% (no idea where this came from. I cannot think of any issue on which I agree with Romney.)

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    Click on Romney in your results (none / 0) (#49)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:24:04 PM EST
    and it will show you.

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    Maybe others will check it out (none / 0) (#78)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:11:38 PM EST
    but I rather not visit the sewer.

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    When you click, you'll see why (none / 0) (#68)
    by Towanda on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:46:09 PM EST
    the test design is problematic.  See Romney on health care.

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    Well, apparently (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:34:43 PM EST
    I'm still the "left of the left."  Jill Stein, 98%, Rocky Anderson 85%.  Gary Johnson didn't even make it into my top numbers.  But then, although he's a social liberal, his libertarian philosophy of limited government is not my cup of tea.  While he opposes involvement in foreign wars and is a strong supporter of civil liberties, same-sex marriage, and drug decriminalization (and I'm absolutely there with those stances), he wants to slash government spending and cut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.  So I guess that still makes me a "dirty f*cking hippie."  So be it.  
    Hier stehe, ich kann nicht anders.

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    Check again re Gary Johnson (none / 0) (#59)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:15:49 PM EST
    You have to click on the "other candidates" to get your Gary Johnson score.

    I came away the first time thinking as you did.  

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    Thanks, did that (none / 0) (#65)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:43:36 PM EST
    Gary Johnson still scores lower for me than Barack Obama does.  Jill Stein (overwhelmingly first) and Rocky Anderson are still my top two, Obama third, Johnson fourth. Mitt Romney and Virgil Goode (Constitution Party) are right down there in the sewer as far as my scores are concerned.   ;-)

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    Baa waa waa (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:45:51 PM EST
    the sewer was where Romney was for me too.

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    Politalkix's score (none / 0) (#54)
    by Politalkix on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:41:52 PM EST
    Jill Stein 94%, Obama 74%, Anderson 65%, Romney 24%. (do not know which version of the etch a sketch candidate is represented in this quiz).

    But then it says
    Democratic Party 93%, Green Party 91%

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    Anne and CaseyOR (none / 0) (#58)
    by Politalkix on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:12:30 PM EST
    agree with what BHO says more than me? :-)

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    Yeah, I don't get it either... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:34:56 PM EST
    and the weird part is, I took it again and deliberately answered with what I thought were the most extremely liberal views, and it increased my Obama numbers...and my Romney numbers.

    WTF???

    I don't know how this little quiz is scored, but I've decided I can't take it too seriously - it was fun and kind of entertaining, but I'm not going to take too much from it, I don't think.

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    Yeah I took this awhile ago (none / 0) (#85)
    by lilburro on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:22:17 PM EST
    and some of the questions could be read in various ways.  Gives you a sense perhaps of how tricky polling can be.  I think I took it twice and both times I got about 88-90% Obama.  Romney was barely in the single digits.  I thought I'd get more green and socialist points than I did...the bailout questions really skew things, I think.  I think Jill Stein might be against bailouts altogether?  I don't know.  Actually, here we go, yes she is/was against it.

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    Unsurprisingly, (none / 0) (#73)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:52:57 PM EST
    mine came in as:

    Jill Stein 92%
    Obama 82%
    Romney 6%

    Was planning on voting for Jill Stein already, so at least my alignment with her positions has been confirmed for me. How did I end up in 6% agreement w/ Romney? Is he really opposed to the death penalty, and in favor of creating a single payer system for health care? Who knew...

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    Free Fiona Apple! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:44:55 PM EST
    Busted for hash possession.  I love that.  Weed is so run of the mill.  But the hashish, very exotic.  And still...just cannabis. Hudspeth County, Texas though, sheesh, Snoop and Willie Nelson and Arnie Hammer and now Fiona.  They love the celebrity busts down there. Maroons.(link)

    Mmmm.... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 03:54:14 PM EST
    Hash...been some floating around actually, such a special treat.

    Good luck Fiona, I apologize on behalf of a tyrannized nation.

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    get out here for that johnnies game... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 04:15:50 PM EST
    ...and I will get you all you want. More incentive. ;-)

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    I'll never smoke weed with Willie again... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:30:42 AM EST
    - Toby Keith


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    Just got a robocall (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:37:38 PM EST
    Please won't you help and donate 3 dollars to Mitt Romney. We need it to compete with the $200 million raised by Obama. Help us defeat Obama in November. Just press 1 to donate.

    Sounded like a carnival barker. Damn near scared me.

    Poor Rush Limpbaugh! (none / 0) (#80)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:46:44 PM EST
    He's very upset that his pen*s is shrinking.

    Jeebus, Shoephone,,,,, (none / 0) (#81)
    by vml68 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:59:50 PM EST
    I was not planning on throwing up my dinner.

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    I sincerely apologize (none / 0) (#83)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 10:31:59 PM EST
    I should have added:

    *Warning: Do Not Click Link If Ingesting Food; Contents Could Be Hazardous To Your Health.

    !

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    Just more (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 09:03:25 AM EST
    proof that conservatism is synonymous with insanity.

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    Or why so many of them are d!cks. (none / 0) (#88)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 09:59:26 AM EST
    Limbaugh's been thinking with his for so long that those with brains located within their skulls couldn't be blamed for concluding that Limbaugh's pen!s is where his brain is actually located.  That it may be shrinking explains a lot about the quality of the thinking he exhibits.

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