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Heating oil, otoh...forget what it was per gallon but it was 7 hundo to fill 'er up. Ouch. Hope we make it till Christmas on that 7 hundo...I shoulda trained the dog to bark (or even bite) if somebody f8cks with the thermostat. 62 degrees, part of the new normal.
But enough b*tching about 1st world problems...the poor Phillipines is some instant perspective. Sounds absolutely horrible over there, those poor people. Parent
But wood ain't free and there is nothing like spiting a couple cords of wood in January in Wisonsin to replenish the supply.
But for us Texans, the $300+/mth savings we get by shutting down the AC in the winter and using the natural gas is awesome. don't think I have every had a gas bill over $40, but my electric hits mid $450s at least one month a year. But right now neither is needed, perfect weather. Parent
What do you guys pay for a piece of London Broil? It's hard to find a decent piece for under 9 dollars lately, even on half-rotten "managers special". Parent
I absolutely hate Walmart, but they do have the best steaks in town(fresh and midwestern), followed by whole Foods, but they are proud of their meat, especially the aged stuff.
I once ordered prime rib here and the waitress specifically asked me if I knew what I was getting. Back in Wisconsin, going out for prime rib was a real treat, one of the most delicious pieces of meat IMO. What I got here was fatty beyond belief, so bad I couldn't eat it and the GD waitress said something about asking me before hand. I have not had prime rib in a decade.
I think it's cause the cattle here are left to graze on the what I would call wild brush grasses whereas the beef from the mid west is left to graze on green grasses stuff but feed corn as well.
That being said, GD if Texans and the cajuns to the east can't take a crappy cut of meat like skirt steak and turn into something as delicious as fajitas, or a barbequed brisket. Its amazing.
The Germans back home have two spices, salt and pepper, if that doesn't cut it, start adding cheese and/or butter to taste. Which is fine if you hate your arteries, but here, they know how to work meat and get the more flavor from dull meat than back home with a good cut of meat.
I don't buy meat since the gf swore it off a couple years back so no idea what it costs. Parent
The Germans back home have two spices, salt and pepper, if that doesn't cut it, start adding cheese and/or butter to taste. Which is fine if you hate your arteries
It's the utilitarian cuisine. Parent
Of course nothing comes close to the fresh seafood I get in the Florida Keys. Parent
And that $40 dollar steak at CR, I can get the same back home in Wisconsin for about $15. Ditto for the cheese, the cattle here produce what I would call a really nasty and very greasy tasting cheese, where as back home, it's delicious.
I wrongly assumed when I moved here that the reason they have so many cattle in Texas is because they make good eating. That is simply not true. It's about making use of the crappy land that is nearly endless with animals that might not taste very good, but are still useful for the 10,000 things produced using cattle.
If seafood isn't caught the same day, most people can tell the difference, not true of beef. Never saw a sign for steaks, 'freshly slaughtered today'. Fresh seafood back home is almost unheard of, there is fresh local fish, but nothing from the actual sea unless you go to a seriously high end restaurant, which didn't exist where I grew up.
Whole foods ages their meat in glass coolers so you can look in and see it, it's disgusting and why it's so pricey, they have to cut off all the bad meat to get to the good stuff, so you not only pay for what you get, but all the waste it took to get to that point. Parent
it's disgusting
Dry aged beef is very tasty. Also, they don't really have to cut of a lot of meat. It is pricey because of the time and equipment it takes to dry age the meat. And also because the meat loses a lot of water so you get "more meat" for the same weight as you would wet-aged meat. Parent
But actual taste is second to none. I will put aged meat up against Kobe beef any day of the week.
They used to dry age meat before refrigeration, which is insane. How many people got really sick before they perfected that art. Parent
In most third world countries, you will see meat hanging in butcher shops with flies buzzing around. Some places have open gutters nearby and yet people there don't seem to get sick from eating it. Parent
He didn't cover it or put it in the fridge, it just sat on the counter slowly disappearing. It was always the big joke, come over and watch the man with the iron guts eat 3 day old meat during the the Packer game.
My point, I think kids and adults are getting all these allergies and getting sick at every little thing because of our over sterilization of everything. Like the flu, a little exposure probably does more good than bad.
My roommate, like a cavemen, just grew up with no regards to meat safety and I think that forced his body to develop defense that most of our bodies haven't developed. None of us would last day in 15th century London without getting deathly ill. But my roommate would have been in 7th heaven. I love the guy to death, but he was a damn dirty fool
Just my theory. Parent
The sense of urgency in Tallahassee is nowhere in evidence. It's all Bible belt, and Rick Scott is a Tea Bagger. One legislator is quoted as saying, "God destroyed the world once with water, and he promised he wouldn't do it again."
Where oh where is my man made global gone?
Oh where has it gone??
lol... until I get my heating bill. Parent
At least I got the Catskills right here, South Fla residents have a longer pilgrimage to make to dry land in 10, 50, 100 years. Parent
No self-respecting writer, even of worthless internet comments, should be using that sh*t. Shutdown your personal skynets people before they become completely self-aware! You've been warned! ;) Parent
Right this minute MO and a few other areas in the Midwest have lower gas prices than other states. If our prices were $2.77 yesterday, some of the cities out in the boonies might be $.10 - $.15 lower still. From what I've read, those lower prices might disappear if that stupid pipeline is approved. Just one more reason why I am against it. Parent
I actually use that program from time to time on my phone. When I am in areas unfamiliar I check to make sure I am not getting raked. A couple of times it's save me a little cash. I don't need the lowest, just don't want to pay the highest. Parent
He'll be back when Fox News tells him what to think about the situation. Parent
In the meantime, I'd look for him instead to continue flogging the "Obama lied about Obamacare" meme that's currently all the right-wing rage -- both literally and figuratively -- on Fox News and the AM squawk radio airwaves.
Aloha. Parent
Are these Dems "Flogging" it? Parent
Quit being a GD troll. Parent
Slado: "They're flogging it because it's true."
... are working to fix them. Liberal and progressive Democrats quite obviously have some differences of opinion regarding what is to be done, and even a cursory read of these threads here shows that we're not at all shy about airing them out in public.
Meanwhile, because you are steadfastly determined to remain resolutely oblivious to both the results of the 2012 election and the profound demographic shifts taking place throughout the country, you and your right-wing friends in the Merry Ol' Land of Oz have continued to offer no practical or even reality-based alternatives to any problem of national note and / or importance.
Rather, you simply remain content to continue skywriting "Surrender, Dorothy!" across the heavens, as though that somehow demonstrates your firm grasp of public policy.
Or drafting a comment about Obama robbing Exxon to pay Aetna;) Parent
Gas prices are just a fun way for partisan hacks to take shots at each other.
The funny thing about hypocrisy is it cuts both ways.
I guess we can calm down about the need for alternative fuels now since gas prices are dropping and US production is up? Parent
No hypocrisy here because we all know that Obama has very little to do with prices and gas simply are not an accurate economic indicator, sans Jim of course.
I would estimate that Jim has stated the above as fact no less than 200 times since Obama took office here at TL. Parent
While I think Obama's energy policy is a environmentalists wet dream blaming him for the current price of oil is a little silly.
Plenty to criticize him for. Namely his funding of bad alternative energy companies with taxpayer money.
What a waste. Parent
You obviously haven't been keeping track, but we are about to become the worlds largest oil producer in the world and energy independent.
That doesn't get accomplished with a president who is a 'environmentalists wet dream'.
This is going to happen before he leaves office. How anyone can complain about his energy policy with gas being at record lows and and we nearing energy independence only proves some people will never be happy.
The U.S. will surpass Russia and Saudi Arabia as the world's top oil producer by 2015, and be close to energy self-sufficiency in the next two decades, amid booming output from shale formations, the IEA said.
Capitalism and technology are simply finding away to overcome government interference.
Thankfully he can't do as much as he'd like to stop progress. Parent
Funny how that works, when prices were high you clowns were falling over yourselves to blame Obama, not that they are coming down it's 'Capitalism and technology are simply finding away to overcome government interference.'
So Obama owns the tattered economy that the R's drove off a cliff, no problem, but now that economy is getting back to pre-GWB days all of a sudden it's capitalism that gets a pat on the back. Or is gas and oil not part of the economy.
You are the living definition of a broken record. Still waiting on your criticism of the R party you keep stating you left. Why ?
Could be, after all you didn't state Cheney's energy policy deserves all the credit, I guess that is something. Parent
Doesn't sound right. Parent
When gas prices drop he won't go near a gas price thread. He's been doing this for years :)
Just in case you didn't understand the levity. Parent
The oil is going to be drilled/dug up and someone is going to use it.
Why send it all the way to China when we can keep it here?
Makes no sense. Parent
One area where Libertarianism really fails is the Environment.... Parent
So, would TransCanada support US legislation requiring Canadian oil and products refined from it, such as diesel, to be sold only in the United States, asked Rep. Ed Markey (D) of Massachusetts, "so that this country realizes all of the energy security benefits your company and others have promised?" "No, I can't do that," Mr. Pourbaix said. ... "Rather than providing the US with more Canadian oil, Keystone XL will simply shift oil from the Midwest to the Gulf Coast, where much of it can be exported to international buyers - decreasing US energy supply and increasing the cost of oil in the American Midwest," concludes a new study by the Natural Resources Defense Council, a New York-based environmental advocacy non-profit group, citing numerous TransCanada studies and the transcripts of Canadian federal hearings. ... US farmers who spent $12.4 billion on fuel in 2009 could see those costs rise to $15 billion or higher if the pipeline goes through, he projects. At least $500 million of the added cost "would come from the Canadian market manipulation," he wrote. "Millions of Americans will spend 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel fuel as tribute to our `friendly' neighbors to the north," the highly respected Dr. Verleger wrote. "The Keystone XL pipeline will move production from Canadian oil sands to a deepwater port from where it can be exported." But that is not merely Verleger's opinion. It's based on findings of the economic consultants hired by TransCanada - contained in their analyses of the pipeline's impact on Canadian oil producers and in official testimony before Canada's National Energy Board. "Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally [the US Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil," concludes a 2009 analysis on behalf of TransCanada by Purvin & Gertz, Inc., an oil economics firm based in Houston. "Access to the [US Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest market] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude." Gulf link to global markets As a result of those increases in the price of heavy crude in the Midwest and sales of higher-margin refined products shipped out from Gulf Coast refineries to other markets, Canadian oil producers could be expected to reap $2 billion to $3.9 billion more each year, the analysis says.
"No, I can't do that," Mr. Pourbaix said. ... "Rather than providing the US with more Canadian oil, Keystone XL will simply shift oil from the Midwest to the Gulf Coast, where much of it can be exported to international buyers - decreasing US energy supply and increasing the cost of oil in the American Midwest," concludes a new study by the Natural Resources Defense Council, a New York-based environmental advocacy non-profit group, citing numerous TransCanada studies and the transcripts of Canadian federal hearings. ... US farmers who spent $12.4 billion on fuel in 2009 could see those costs rise to $15 billion or higher if the pipeline goes through, he projects. At least $500 million of the added cost "would come from the Canadian market manipulation," he wrote.
"Millions of Americans will spend 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel fuel as tribute to our `friendly' neighbors to the north," the highly respected Dr. Verleger wrote. "The Keystone XL pipeline will move production from Canadian oil sands to a deepwater port from where it can be exported."
But that is not merely Verleger's opinion. It's based on findings of the economic consultants hired by TransCanada - contained in their analyses of the pipeline's impact on Canadian oil producers and in official testimony before Canada's National Energy Board.
"Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally [the US Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil," concludes a 2009 analysis on behalf of TransCanada by Purvin & Gertz, Inc., an oil economics firm based in Houston. "Access to the [US Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest market] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude."
Gulf link to global markets As a result of those increases in the price of heavy crude in the Midwest and sales of higher-margin refined products shipped out from Gulf Coast refineries to other markets, Canadian oil producers could be expected to reap $2 billion to $3.9 billion more each year, the analysis says.
Weird thing is that the Midwest is overflowing with O'Haters robotically spewing pro-pipeline agitprop, without a clue that their gas price goes up the minute the pipeline completes.
Hell, most of these Bozos couldn't locate the existing pipeline on a map, much less locate the sections left to complete.
A Keystone Pipeline Primer. Parent
lol Parent
Why, when I was your age my momma would send me down to the store with $1 and I would come back with 5 bags of potatoes, 2 loaves of bread, 3 bottles of milk, a box of tea, and 6 eggs.
You can't do that these days.
Too many farkin' security cameras. Parent
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- The son of U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe was killed in a weekend plane crash in northeast Oklahoma, the U.S. Secretary of Defense confirmed. Dr. Perry Inhofe, a 52-year-old orthopedic surgeon, died when the small plane he was piloting crashed Sunday near Owasso, a Tulsa suburb. link
Dr. Perry Inhofe, a 52-year-old orthopedic surgeon, died when the small plane he was piloting crashed Sunday near Owasso, a Tulsa suburb. link
No matter who you are it must be hard to lose a child at any age.
I think most of us here are at an age in which we at least know others who have had a child pre-decease them. I had a brother who succumbed from complications of cystic fibrosis at age 15. My mother probably hasn't visited his gravesite in East L.A. in well over a decade, but she keeps his framed 8th grade school portrait in a prominent place on her dresser, his bright blue eyes and toothy grin looking just as vibrant and real today as they did 40 years ago, when that photo was first taken.
While most parents who experience that unfortunate loss do eventually move on with their lives, it's also pretty apparent that it's something that they'll never really "get over," regardless of the passage of time. Outliving your own child is not supposed to be part of the natural order of things, no matter how hard one tries to rationalize the event ex post facto.
I say again, going by 1.32 trillion dollar figure as the grand total cost of this scam, we could have just given every man, woman, and child in the country about 5 grand cash, and it would have done world's more good as an economic stimulus, not to mention taken the edge off a lotta people's daily economic woes. We been had again y'all.
The problems with the economy structurally still remain and for us libertarians have only gotten worse.
Too much regulation, too much crony capitalism and way, way, way too much government spending.
Now you throw on top this whole Obamacare debacle and well, they'll probably just keep pumping.
This has propped up what is still a terrible economy and Obama is too clueless to know it. Parent
I don't know if it's a case of over-regulation so much as crony-regulation. An NYC hot dog cart is more regulated and policed than the banking system and stock market...and the Fed ain't buying the hot dog guy's stale buns off his ledger. Parent
"Common sense" can mess up royally... Parent
Would you agree with me that 5 grand cash to every man, woman, & child would have been more effective as an economic stimulus instead of QE Uno, Dos, Tres?
Even assuming Bernanke had the best of intentions, the banks f8cked us...again. But the stock markets up so who cares, right? Parent
It is a bond purchasing program. The Fed is "pumping money" into the economy by buying bonds from creditors who have originally bought them from the Treasury Department, which issues them to finance the government. The Fed buys bonds by crediting the sellers' accounts with money. That money makes its way into the economy.
"Money" is defined as including all demand deposits or the amounts in all the bank accounts added up (other measures include other things in their definitions of money.) By crediting the sellers' accounts with money, "new" money is created.
The Fed is not the problem. Progressives should be happy with Bernanke. Conservatives hate him because they feel his monetary policies are covering up the failures of the Obama Admin and will lead to inflation.
The anti-Fed position is a conservative Tea Party position.
The Fed helped stave off disaster.....It cannot do much more to help. Parent
One might ask if the Fed is so essential how did it along with government allow such a calamity to happen at all?
The answer is they rigged a system to go broke and acted surprised when it did. To whose benefit? We all know.
Now in hindsight we can say things like the "saved" the economy, an economy they broke but who cares?
We'll never know what would have happened if we'd really let it fall apart because we didn't.
I'd argue we'd be better off today then we are now if we'd let it happen or at the very least would be on our way to be better off.
Instead we get 1-2% growth, high unemployment and more and more of our fellow citizens on welfare, foot stamps and government assistance.
Everything is just peachy. Thanks Ben. Parent
Before the Fed, J.P. Morgan was the Federal Government's banker. Without the Fed, all these private banks would have complete control over the entire banking system--and the finances of the Federal Government. Talk about a concentration of power....even more so than what we have today.
Ron Paul and his anti-Fed nonsense and insistence on what is apparently a gold-backed currency is just a flight of fancy, or unrealized nightmare, without an iota of proof or evidence to support it. Parent
The Fed has pushed the envelope but it has done the maximum it could do. The fault lies elsewhere. Parent
Instead of only buying garbage off banksters, who hoard the cash for basically net zero economic stumulus.
Like I said, a straight up f8ckin' scam. Parent
If the Fed doesn't get paid back that would be big news, but I do not think it has happened. Parent
But why does he think QE, or at any rate expansion of the Fed's balance sheet, is positively harmful? I'm not sure
The problem is the Fed is working by itself because of the deficit hawks.... Parent
The Fed is here to stay. The anti fed stuff that Paul preaches while true is a non starter because we're never getting rid of it.
What we can do is get the FED to stop "helping" us and let it make the rest of us take our collective medicine. We are in this situation because we allowed the country to become drunk on debt. Private, personal and government.
The Fed is not allowing the economy to self correct and prolonging the addition.
We can continue in the tepid fake growth economy which only benefits the top 1% while the rest of us see our real wealth diminished and more on the bottom become wards of the state or we can break this cycle by taking our medicine.
People like Krugman don't even realize how much they're blind addiction to helping people is actually the reason we're in this mess. It doesn't help the little guy it actually hurts the people they claim to want to help.
How's this recovery been working out for the poor? How have the poor and middle class benefited from the Fed "Saving" the economy.
You simply can't say with a straight face that they're winning because they're not.
Only real sustained growth driven by economic expansion can lift the poor out of poverty.
That's not what the Fed is creating. They are creating paper growth due to an expanded money supply and that is draining real wealth out of the middle and lower class into the mansions of the rich.
Again, nice work Ben. Parent
As Keynes said, we are all dead in the long run. Parent
Slado: "How's this recovery been working out for the poor? How have the poor and middle class benefited from the Fed "Saving" the economy."
... you continue to champion the very same so-called "free market initiatives" that in the past have served to only further exacerbate the poor's plight. A market-driven economy doesn't work the way you seem to think it does.
Yes, we have a looming long-term problem with debt, both public and private. But you're no more going to solve that problem by shredding the social safety net and imposing draconian spending cuts to longstanding social compacts such as Social Security and Medicare, than you're going to cure a hardcore heroin addict of his habit by simply locking him up and forcing him to go cold turkey, while telling him it's for his own good.
In both instances, it's instead highly likely that you'll simply induce an severe and adverse reaction which imperils the very patient you ostensibly seek to save.
You did say you were Roman Catholic, didn't you, Slado? Take it up with Jesus.
You people make the "self correcting economy" sound like the workings of divine providence; as if it encompassed some reality completely disconnected from human agency, fallibility, delusion, or creativity. Like the multiplication table. Parent
Low interest rates are more consistent with growth. The Fed has pushed that button as much as it can....That it doesn't pull the economy up all by itself does not mean the Fed should raise interest rates.
You advocate a Great Depression, or "collective medicine," to address a desire to obtain Libertarian goals....Not the way to go imo. Parent
It is what Libertarians believe... Parent
And that this scam uses financial actions of lower and middle income people to make billions for the system. And these middle and lower income people do not share in these profits anywhere close to the degree to which they help create them.
The current income disparity in this country is not natural. It requires a combination of quasi-legal scamming, and out and out criminal activity, to be maintained. Parent
Quinnipiac Poll
American voters disapprove 54 - 39 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing, his lowest approval rating in any Quinnipiac University national poll since he became president, as even women disapprove 51 - 40 percent, according to a national poll released today. ... For the first time today, American voters say 52 - 44 percent that Obama is not honest and trustworthy. His previous lowest marks on honesty were May 30, when 49 percent of voters said he was honest and 47 percent said he wasn't. ... "Any Democrat with an 11-point approval deficit among women is in trouble. And any elected official with an 8-point trust deficit is in serious trouble." "President Obama's job approval rating has fallen to the level of former President George W. Bush at the same period of his Presidency," Malloy said. American voters say 53 - 43 percent that the Obama Administration has not been competent running the government. By a similar 51 - 43 percent margin, voters say Obama is not paying enough attention to what his administration is doing. Obama gets a positive 52 - 42 percent approval rating for handling terrorism, with negative grades for handling other issues" 38 - 53 percent on foreign policy; 35 - 53 percent on immigration; 32 - 62 percent on the federal budget; 36 - 60 percent on health care; 38 - 59 percent on the economy.
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For the first time today, American voters say 52 - 44 percent that Obama is not honest and trustworthy. His previous lowest marks on honesty were May 30, when 49 percent of voters said he was honest and 47 percent said he wasn't.
"Any Democrat with an 11-point approval deficit among women is in trouble. And any elected official with an 8-point trust deficit is in serious trouble."
"President Obama's job approval rating has fallen to the level of former President George W. Bush at the same period of his Presidency," Malloy said.
American voters say 53 - 43 percent that the Obama Administration has not been competent running the government. By a similar 51 - 43 percent margin, voters say Obama is not paying enough attention to what his administration is doing.
Obama gets a positive 52 - 42 percent approval rating for handling terrorism, with negative grades for handling other issues"
38 - 53 percent on foreign policy; 35 - 53 percent on immigration; 32 - 62 percent on the federal budget; 36 - 60 percent on health care; 38 - 59 percent on the economy.
On the "winners" and "losers," looks like more consider themselves losers than winners.
Affordable Care Act Only 19 percent of American voters say the quality of care they and their families receive will improve in the next year because of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), while 43 percent say it will get worse and 33 percent say ACA won't affect their health care. Voters oppose the ACA 55 - 39 percent, with men opposed 59 - 37 percent and women opposed 51 - 41 percent.
Affordable Care Act
Only 19 percent of American voters say the quality of care they and their families receive will improve in the next year because of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), while 43 percent say it will get worse and 33 percent say ACA won't affect their health care.
Voters oppose the ACA 55 - 39 percent, with men opposed 59 - 37 percent and women opposed 51 - 41 percent.
And I gotta stop here because I'm quoting too much. Go read.
Hoping for changing.
Obama and his supporters like to say he'll never face reelection again, so his numbers don't matter. But other Democrats -- namely red-state Sens. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Mark Pryor of Arkansas of North, Kay Hagan of North Carolina and Mark Begich of Alaska -- will face voters again, during next year's midterms. And a slumping president has been nothing but bad news for his party colleagues. Democrats lost 28 House seats and five Senate seats during the first two years of Truman's second term. In 2006, Republicans lost their majority in the House and Senate, losing 30 and six seats, respectively, under Bush's leadership. Presidential parties with a popular chief executive have managed to actually add seats at the six-year mark, like Bill Clinton in 1998.
Democrats lost 28 House seats and five Senate seats during the first two years of Truman's second term. In 2006, Republicans lost their majority in the House and Senate, losing 30 and six seats, respectively, under Bush's leadership. Presidential parties with a popular chief executive have managed to actually add seats at the six-year mark, like Bill Clinton in 1998.
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And although Obama's numbers are low, they're still far higher than the GOP's, whose unpopularity reached historic lows after the shutdown and debt-ceiling imbroglios. It's what could become one of the most significant questions of the 2014 midterms: Whose unpopularity matters more, Republicans' or Obama's? Democrats are confident the GOP's struggles trump Obama's. But they acknowledge a struggling president doesn't help. "Is it possible for us to get the turnout we need if we don't have a stronger president?" asked Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster who also spoke at the Monitor breakfast. "That really, in my mind, is the question. Because we can't have a wave election in our favor if we don't get these ... missing voters out. "We would be helped enormously by a president who is engaging voters and who is turning people out to vote."
Democrats are confident the GOP's struggles trump Obama's. But they acknowledge a struggling president doesn't help.
"Is it possible for us to get the turnout we need if we don't have a stronger president?" asked Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster who also spoke at the Monitor breakfast. "That really, in my mind, is the question. Because we can't have a wave election in our favor if we don't get these ... missing voters out.
"We would be helped enormously by a president who is engaging voters and who is turning people out to vote."
Democrats are on the verge of abandoning President Barack Obama on vital elements of his signature health care law at a time when his poll numbers have been sliding with three years left to go in his second term. House Democrats used a closed-door meeting Wednesday to hammer the White House's handling of the Obamacare rollout and aftermath. And Senate Democratic leaders have given their assent for the party's most vulnerable lawmakers to sign onto efforts to adjust the health care law. At Wednesday's raucous caucus meeting, Democrats blasted the White House for failing to come up with a way to ensure that President Barack Obama's if-you-like-it-you-can-keep-it promise about health insurance plans will be fulfilled. And they're unconvinced the White House will meet its self-imposed Nov. 30 deadline to fix the HealthCare.gov website.
House Democrats used a closed-door meeting Wednesday to hammer the White House's handling of the Obamacare rollout and aftermath. And Senate Democratic leaders have given their assent for the party's most vulnerable lawmakers to sign onto efforts to adjust the health care law.
At Wednesday's raucous caucus meeting, Democrats blasted the White House for failing to come up with a way to ensure that President Barack Obama's if-you-like-it-you-can-keep-it promise about health insurance plans will be fulfilled. And they're unconvinced the White House will meet its self-imposed Nov. 30 deadline to fix the HealthCare.gov website.
"It's ugly," said one Democratic source in the meeting. "There's no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames. I just wouldn't want to be from a swing district right now. Or anything that closely resembles one." It has been a stunning turnaround for a party that won a showdown over a government shutdown and threatened default on the nation's debt just a few weeks ago by standing solidly behind Obama when he refused to negotiate change in the health law to re-open the government and avoid hitting the debt ceiling. "The caucus is very, very upset about the fact that the process hasn't worked, and Republicans have this bill," Cohen said. If they stand with the White House on Friday's vote, they face the worst of all possible worlds: Campaign ads pointing out that they not only backed Obama's broken promise but also opposed legislation to fix it. The White House has two days, they warned, to come up with an alternative way to ensure Americans aren't thrown off their health plans. The president has vowed to find an administrative fix--rather than a legislative one--but that has proved difficult so far.
It has been a stunning turnaround for a party that won a showdown over a government shutdown and threatened default on the nation's debt just a few weeks ago by standing solidly behind Obama when he refused to negotiate change in the health law to re-open the government and avoid hitting the debt ceiling.
"The caucus is very, very upset about the fact that the process hasn't worked, and Republicans have this bill," Cohen said.
If they stand with the White House on Friday's vote, they face the worst of all possible worlds: Campaign ads pointing out that they not only backed Obama's broken promise but also opposed legislation to fix it. The White House has two days, they warned, to come up with an alternative way to ensure Americans aren't thrown off their health plans. The president has vowed to find an administrative fix--rather than a legislative one--but that has proved difficult so far.
Both grandsons run. Youngest was in cross country. OTOH, I've never had any desire to run. Have walked fairly long distances in the past and still enjoy walking several miles when the old knee is not acting up. Parent
It really doesn't require much more training than what you've already done to get to this point, only diligence in actively maintaining your present strenuous regimen, and then perseverance once the race commences.
Oh, and not that you need reminding, but please do a lot of stretching and hydrating, both before and afterward, especially if you're over 40. Personally, as a former college athlete I've always found the warm-down period after a long run or hard workout to be the easiest part of my training regimen to simply blow off, but I learned the hard way as I got older that you really do ignore it at your peril. We're not 25 any more, and the body simply does not recover as quickly as it once did.
Good luck. Parent
Perseverance once the race commences.
Ahhh, lots of heart and a stable head. Many things can go wrong between 13 and 26 as you well know. I still have demons from my only attempt 34 years ago. Parent
The 1/2 is actually one of my favorite distances as the time it takes to train for it is much more manageable than for 26.2.
The NY Marathon was my one marathon, my wife has done a dozen or so.
Biggest tip I learned from NY was you really need to moderate your pace the first 10 or so miles so you don't go out too fast.
It's tough, though, because you are running with thousands of others, and they're all full of piss and vinegar at the start, so you get carried along with the crowds at a pace that is faster than you want.
At NY my goal was 3:40, and I found myself ahead of goal pace by about 10 mins at the 1/2. I ended up with 3:42, and was happy with it, but the last 4-5 miles were reeeally tough and slow.
I've always wondered what my time would have been if I hadn't run almost a minute faster/mile than my goal pace for that first 1/2.
Oh well, whatcha' gonna do? Parent
The Seven Mile Bridge Run is a another great option. Parent
Looks like the Mark Herring (D) lead now sits at about +163 (still unofficial) Parent
Herring (D) 1,103,778 Obenshain (R) 1,103,615
Amazing! Parent
But Lordy, what a contentious and ugly debate it was while it lasted at the State Capitol! It was easily the worst I've ever seen. To see and hear so much overt hatred and bigotry expressed toward gay men and women from people who would otherwise call themselves Christian, it served as a very sobering reminder to me of the sheer breadth of ignorance that exists out there in our communities.
I don't care how many times one bears witness vicariously to such unbridled anger and self-righteous wrath on television, it's still another thing entirely to actually be there amongst it and experience it first-hand. And now that it's over, and speaking as a straight man, I must say that I've never been so ashamed and embarrassed of heterosexuals in my entire life.
And further, probably never more so than when I had to listen to my former boss -- a friend I've known and respected for the better part of two decades now -- as he arose on the floor of the House last Thursday night to say the contemptuous, awful and vile things he did.
To simply note that it was a truly cringe-worthy moment for me would be a gross understatement. I wanted to shrink down to the size of an ant and crawl under my seat to hide. Many longtime acquaintances in the community and the party came up to me afterward and asked, "Hey, what was up with Marcus? I thought he was your friend."
Well, he was and he is, but quite honestly, because I had no way of even beginning to rationalize what I had just heard, I really had no answer to offer them, other than a sad shrug of my shoulders.
And that really hurt, like a punch in the solar plexus. You know, if he's found Jesus as he says he has, from my perspective right now, he'd have no doubt been far better off had Christ remained forever lost to him.
And to our gay brothers and sisters, I cannot even begin to fathom or imagine what it's been like for you all these decades, having had to endure that sort of horror show as its primary target on a near-daily basis as you have. All I want to do right now is hug each and every one of you and apologize from the bottom of my heart for what you've been through. I am so very, very sorry.
Aloha.
If you're at all interested in watching a little history unfold, here's the LINK. Just remember, we're two hours behind the west coast and five behind the east, so the broadcast will start at 12:00 noon PST and 3:00 p.m. EST.
We just learned this morning that technically, Hawaii will become the 15th state to legalize marriage equality and not the 16th. It's a distinction without a difference, really, because although the Illinois legislature passed it five days before we did, Gov. Quinn has scheduled his own bill signing ceremony for one week from today, on November 20.
It's still pretty amazing, though, to see two markedly different states legalize marriage equality in near-simultaneous fashion. It's indeed a beautiful day outside, and there's really no better day to move forward than the present. So, who's going to go next, and channel their inner diva?
Wikilieaks Press Release
Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world's GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states. The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP. Both pacts exclude China. [...snip...] The TPP negotiations are currently at a critical stage. The Obama administration is preparing to fast-track the TPP treaty in a manner that will prevent the US Congress from discussing or amending any parts of the treaty. Numerous TPP heads of state and senior government figures, including President Obama, have declared their intention to sign and ratify the TPP before the end of 2013. More: full press release
The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP. Both pacts exclude China. [...snip...] The TPP negotiations are currently at a critical stage. The Obama administration is preparing to fast-track the TPP treaty in a manner that will prevent the US Congress from discussing or amending any parts of the treaty. Numerous TPP heads of state and senior government figures, including President Obama, have declared their intention to sign and ratify the TPP before the end of 2013.
More: full press release
Leaked Documents Reveal Obama Administration Push for Internet Freedom Limits, Terms That Raise Drug Prices in Closed-Door Trade Talks Analyses of Wikileaks IP chapterFactsheet: How the TPP Endangers Access to MedicinesWhat's New in Wikileaks Text?Medical Procedure Patents in the TPP: A Comparative Perspective on the Highly Unpopular U.S. Proposal
Analyses of Wikileaks IP chapter
The text released by Wikileaks is 95 pages long, with 296 footnotes and 941 brackets in the text, and includes details on the positions taken by individual countries. The document confirms fears that the negotiating parties are prepared to expand the reach of intellectual property rights, and shrink consumer rights and safeguards. Compared to existing multilateral agreements, the TPP IPR chapter proposes the granting of more patents, the creation of intellectual property rights on data, the extension of the terms of protection for patents and copyrights, expansions of right holder privileges, and increases in the penalties for infringement. The TPP text shrinks the space for exceptions in all types of intellectual property rights. Negotiated in secret, the proposed text is bad for access to knowledge, bad for access to medicine, and profoundly bad for innovation. The text reveals that the most anti-consumer and anti-freedom country in the negotiations is the United States, taking the most extreme and hard-line positions on most issues. But the text also reveals that several other countries in the negotiation are willing to compromise the public's rights, in a quest for a new trade deal with the United States. The United States and other countries have defended the secrecy of the negotiations in part on the grounds that the government negotiators receive all the advice they need from 700 corporate advisors cleared to see the text. The U.S. negotiators claim that the proposals need not be subject to public scrutiny because they are merely promoting U.S. legal traditions. Other governments claim that they will resist corporate right holder lobbying pressures. But the version released by Wikileaks reminds us why government officials supervised only by well-connected corporate advisors can't be trusted. An enduring mystery is the appalling acceptance of the secrecy by the working news media. [...snip...] Access to Medicines The trade agreement includes proposals for more than a dozen measures that would limit competition and raise prices in markets for drugs.
The document confirms fears that the negotiating parties are prepared to expand the reach of intellectual property rights, and shrink consumer rights and safeguards.
Compared to existing multilateral agreements, the TPP IPR chapter proposes the granting of more patents, the creation of intellectual property rights on data, the extension of the terms of protection for patents and copyrights, expansions of right holder privileges, and increases in the penalties for infringement. The TPP text shrinks the space for exceptions in all types of intellectual property rights. Negotiated in secret, the proposed text is bad for access to knowledge, bad for access to medicine, and profoundly bad for innovation.
The text reveals that the most anti-consumer and anti-freedom country in the negotiations is the United States, taking the most extreme and hard-line positions on most issues. But the text also reveals that several other countries in the negotiation are willing to compromise the public's rights, in a quest for a new trade deal with the United States.
The United States and other countries have defended the secrecy of the negotiations in part on the grounds that the government negotiators receive all the advice they need from 700 corporate advisors cleared to see the text. The U.S. negotiators claim that the proposals need not be subject to public scrutiny because they are merely promoting U.S. legal traditions. Other governments claim that they will resist corporate right holder lobbying pressures. But the version released by Wikileaks reminds us why government officials supervised only by well-connected corporate advisors can't be trusted.
An enduring mystery is the appalling acceptance of the secrecy by the working news media. [...snip...] Access to Medicines
The trade agreement includes proposals for more than a dozen measures that would limit competition and raise prices in markets for drugs.
Peace out, my good peeps.
Anyway, it's not 1994 again and the country is dead set against the GOP. I mean the same people complaining about how Obamacare is the end of the world actually strapped on their suicide vests and wanted to blow up the entire country.
Let's see what are those approval ratings for the GOP? 22% the last time I looked. So pretending it's 1994 and millions of elderly GOP voters have not died off in the preceding 20 years seems kind of clueless to me. Parent
Allowing the government to try and control the health system through insurance is a bad idea.
Bad idea then, even worse idea now. Parent
"Common sense" over the eons has supported all kinds of nonsense. Parent
As Milton Freidman said..."There is no free lunch".
You can't give more people insurance for less money. That is a common sense statement. The progressive retort was Obamacare and so far common sense is proving correct. Parent
And Paul Ryan wanted to turn Medicare into Obamacare. What does that tell you? Parent
In truth, you're had. Because, again, we don't use a finite natural commodity as currency. If we did, every right-wing paradigm might hold true. But we use fiat currency, instead, an inanimate object (or non-object, more likely) of no intrinsic value and, thus, those right wing paradigms are simply destructive. IOW, it's just a game, and the game has to be fair, and because the game is played with real people on earth, the "losers" need to do better than we allow them to, or we will all be running for our lives, because "losers" like me far outnumber "winners" like whomever else. Parent
What is MOST annoying from conservatives is that they are just fine with the current business model of the insurers until they are priced out of the market, denied coverage and or are denied in some other way and then REFUSE to look at what works in other first world countries and immediately start screaming that the US cannot do it. Parent
One funded by the government, and then a private system with private insurance.
What I don't favor is the government making our bad health system worse by adding regulation and interfering in what little true market is left. Parent
So, deregulate - where are we headed? I suppose you'd say that "the market" would decide how much it should cost to get a mammogram, and if someone is priced out of the market, well, keep up those regular self-exams and hope you feel the lump before it's too late! And brush up on your surgical skills, because if you can't afford a mammogram, you sure as hell aren't going to be able to afford surgery, chemo and radiation and the bazillion doctor visits between diagnosis, treatment and cure.
Ever wonder where you'd be if "the market" had priced you out of all the treatments you've had? In the world you describe, people like you wouldn't be considered worth the money it would take to cure/treat you.
Might as well do away with the FDA, too. Private inspection services will ensure that those who have the money can afford to buy safe food, while the rest of us will either have to take our chances and hope we don't get botulism or salmonella, or just stop eating anything we haven't grown ourselves.
Do you ever think these bizarre thoughts of yours through to seeing how they would affect people who don't live in your head?
It wouldn't seem so. I'm not even sure parody or satire could do justice to the nonsense you're posting. Parent
Then we get to kick his b*tt once more....
Ha Ha Ha Ha. Parent
The baseball Braves announced yesterday -- although the story is just breaking today nationally -- that they're not renewing their lease at Turner Field once it expires at the end of the 2016 season. Instead, they will abandon the city and join the white flight to neighboring Cobb County, which dangled a $450 million public subsidy for new stadium construction in front of the franchise as an enticement to relocate.
It's so nice to see that Georgia's priorities are firmly in place and readily apparent for all to see.
:-|
Let me be clear, I don't blame the pro sports teams. They are a business and as any business will do they take the best deal they can get. It is the governments, state and local, that fall prey to this mindless spending and borrowing that give little to no civic benefit.
Do you realize when they tore down Giants stadium to build the new Jets stadium it wasn't even paid for? They still owe money on the bond?
Atlanta is a particularly alarming example because it was left over from the ultimate sports scam....The Olympics. What a bunch of fiscal baloney that scam is.
Millions of people could literally have been fed for the money wasted building arenas and facilities for two weeks of games.
What a joke. Parent
Slado: "Do you realize when they tore down Giants stadium to build the new Jets stadium it wasn't even paid for? They still owe money on the bond?"
The city of Seattle is still paying off the last of the refinanced bonds first issued nearly 40 years ago to facilitate construction of the Kingdome, which was demolished back in March 2000 to make way for the Seahawks' current home, Century Link Field.
Cities and states finance their major capital construction projects to avoid potential cash flow problems, which would undoubtedly occur with great regularity were they built on a cash-only basis. But while publicly financed stadiums and arenas have been windfalls to sports franchise owners everywhere, such projects often turn out to be notoriously poor investments for those communities which undertake to build them.
"It is absolutely necessary the (transportation) solution is all about moving cars in and around Cobb and surrounding counties from our north and east where most Braves fans travel from, and not moving people into Cobb by rail from Atlanta." (Emphasis is mine.)
It should be noted in context that while Atlanta itself is a majority black city, suburban Cobb County is a wealthy and predominantly white enclave to its immediate northwest. Its county seat is Marietta, where some 98 years ago, Leo Frank -- a native New Yorker and a Jew -- was brutally lynched after having been convicted under highly dubious circumstances of murder in one of the more notorious race-based trials in Georgia history. Marietta is also the home of Mulligan's Food & Spirits, whose owner Mike Norman is certainly no stranger to stirring up racial animus and controversy.
Given that bit of background, Ed Kilgore over at The Washington Monthly explains Dendy's remark in further context:
"When I was in high school in Cobb County, my state representative (a Dixiecrat/Democrat) offered as his perennial campaign slogan: "Stop Atlanta at the River!"(i.e., the Chattahoochee River, which divides Cobb from Atlanta). Everyone knew exactly what he was talking about. Years later, when there was very brief talk of Cobb County joining the regional MARTA rapid transit system, bumper stickers sprouted in Marietta and Acworth and Kennesaw that said: "Take MARTA To Cobb and Rob." Again, everyone knew exactly what that was about.
Now I don't live in Georgia any more, but I am reasonably sure no one thinks MARTA is going to be expanded into Cobb County any time in the near future. So Dendy's statement was a gratuitous racial slur aimed at assuring his constituents he and the GOP were ever-vigilant about protecting Cobb from those people.
(Sigh!) I think there's good reason why prior to the Braves' 1966 relocation to Atlanta from Milwaukee, the city's AAA minor league baseball team was called the Crackers. And as Charlie Pierce noted today about the none-too-subtle racial references behind the Braves' move to Cobb County, no doubt with tongue firmly planted in cheek, "This is not about race because nothing is ever about race."
There are three fed charts out of St. Louis if you google, but here is a link to
M2
Feel free to look at M1 and MZM, but they are similar to M2 which I consider a little more representative.
BTW, go look at the fed's explanation of the money supply and try not to call bullsh*t within minutes. It's hocus-pocus in the service of graft.
The Fed is simply a corrupt joke when it all boils down, no different than the rest of the federal government. Its "expertise" and "insight" are proven illusions. It serves the interests of the few and doles out just enough crumbs to just enough other people to hold back the mass of citizens who, literally, have nothing -- currently about 40% of the populace. But it can't do it much longer. And it seems incapable of understanding that basic truth. Parent
You may think the board game is fixed but what this indicates to me is that those trying to fix the game have failed to do so.
Are you seriously trying to claim that the prez, the fed, and Wall Street would not like to see money velocity increase. If pumping $US85 billion a month into the economy does not increase money velocity I am not sure what would, or how you could rig the game to make it increase.
This is a new game, not just for the middle class but every one else as well. Parent
But when these two wordsmiths turn their attention to Washington and its resident media elite, as they are wont to do on occasion, the results can be both fun and illuminating:
Calbuzz.com | November 13, 2013 Lara Logan Gets Her Just Desserts - "Those who love to wallow in schadenfreude when Mean Girls get their comeuppance (we name no names) surely are amused by the karmic predicament of '60 Minutes' breathy star diva correspondent Lara Logan. [...] [W]e are gathered together here today simply to praise and witness the mighty power of divine retribution in clobbering Logan for her past bad behavior, when for no good reason she very publicly personally attacked and professionally smeared the since-deceased freelance investigative reporter Michael Hastings."
It's definitely worth a read, if only to see what the Left Coast thinks. Sometimes, I think the mainstream media's obsessive and self-indulgent hyperfocus on events inside the Beltway and on Wall Street tends to warp its own perspective about the rest of the country beyond the Catskills and Appalachians. All too often, when issues and events do cause them to occasionally look west, it's as though they're doing so from the inside of a fishbowl.
California is home to 38 million people. That's one in eight Americans, 12% of the population and a fair chunk of the U.S. economy. Further, it is a bellwether state, in that demographic and economic trends which will eventually affect the rest of the country are often already happening on the west coast, or have already occurred.
Like it or not, California and the west do matter. The east coast media needs to recognize that and deal with it, by broadening its horizons to be more inclusive of geographically diverse opinion and viewpoints, because we definitely do not all see things as Washington and Wall Street do. What's a routinely ignored Friday afternoon document dump in D.C. is actually the middle of the day out here, and don't think a lot of us don't notice.
Aloha. :-D
If this is just another one of the wonderful things brought to you by the Patriot Act... then maybe I missed the message that I had to get an updated social security card.
Today you are considered a threat, unless you have a newly issued Social Sercurity card (at least more recent than 1961), and have your credit reports available (I keep mine frozen, since I never use credit).
Sorry to vent... but this is total Bu11sh!t IMO. We are all potential terrorists now.
And don't get me started on that credit report bullsh*t! I think we're kindred spirits you and I. Parent
But just in case, the FDA approved microchips for humans in 2004. Parent
My Advice: Dont move out of the great state of NY and you will be fine.
Regards
JMAC Parent
Thanks
We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. A birth certificate is not a form of identification. As proof of identity, Social Security must see one of the following primary evidence documents: U.S. driver's license U.S. State-issued non-driver identification card U.S. passport If you do not have one of the above specific documents or you cannot get a replacement for one of them within 10 days, we will ask to see another document, such as your: Employee identification card/badge Health insurance card or Medicaid card (not a Medicare card) U.S. military identification U.S. Government identification card Certificate of Naturalization Certificate of U.S. Citizenship U.S. Indian Tribal card (Social Security has to approve as an acceptable ID) Certified copy of a medical record School identity card, certified record, or transcript (current year) Life insurance policy link
U.S. driver's license U.S. State-issued non-driver identification card U.S. passport
If you do not have one of the above specific documents or you cannot get a replacement for one of them within 10 days, we will ask to see another document, such as your:
Employee identification card/badge Health insurance card or Medicaid card (not a Medicare card) U.S. military identification U.S. Government identification card Certificate of Naturalization Certificate of U.S. Citizenship U.S. Indian Tribal card (Social Security has to approve as an acceptable ID) Certified copy of a medical record School identity card, certified record, or transcript (current year) Life insurance policy link
This info was update in 5/13 so it should be current. Parent
Proof of identity and date of birth, such as: U.S. birth certificate. Valid U.S. passport. Valid foreign passport with U.S. visa and I-94. Proof of lawful presence in the U.S., such as: Valid U.S. passport. U.S. birth certificate. Valid foreign passport with U.S. visa and I-94. 2 documents proving your MD residency, such as: Utility bill. Property tax bill. MD vehicle registration card. Proof of your Social Security number, such as: Original Social Security card. Recent W-2 or 1099 form. Proof of ineligibility. Required payment. See the "Maryland ID Card Fees" section below for fees and payment options.
He has a birth certificate, but he does not have a "Utility bill. Property tax bill. MD vehicle registration card." Since he is living with us. And he doesn't have a recent W-2, since he hasn't had a job in the past two and a half years. So, if he had not had a current driver's license, then he could not have gotten his replacement S.S. card, nor could he have gotten a state ID in order to get his new S.S. card. Seems like a total fustercluck to me. What do the unemployed, non-driver individuals who have lost their S.S. card do?
I have no frigging idea. Parent
The card I had was paper and was folded, spindled and mutilated within a year....and then I lost it before it totally disintegrated. Parent
Somewhat related...whats up with these bars scanning licenses? My sister is over 40, this place wouldn't let her in because her license expired a couple days prior to our outing. To which she replied "yeah but its still me!". Needless to say we'll never attempt to patronize that sh*thole again. I've even seen my 65 year old moms get carded at the supermarket. We've lost our minds. Parent
Mine says right on it not to laminate, but not laminating card stock isn't a very good idea and it makes no sense to not put it in something that cannot be tampered with so easy.
I still cannot get over my signature whenever I signed it, sometimes before I started driving. Every letter carefully crafted and legible, certainly the work of someone who took great pride in his signature. Parent
I lost mine in high school....I just use the number....I thought that is what everybody did...
New data shows that just over 100,000 people picked health plans in the first month of open enrollment through the state and federal insurance marketplaces established by the Affordable Care Act, a figure far lower than the Obama administration initially estimated would sign up during that period.
dum dum dum dummmmmmm
I think you are sorely mistaken if you think there are going to be people here cheering the enrollment of anyone in a health insurance plan, whether it's one person or 100,000, considering that, as things currently stand, that's the only way one gets access to care.
Just curious, though - is the administration's definition of an enrollee as "someone who has selected a marketplace plan" the same thing as actually being a subscriber?
Perhaps you can bring your wealth of health insurance industry knowledge to the discussion; we're all ears! Parent
wealth of health insurance industry knowledge to the discussion; we're all ears
:-)
You are correct. These folks wouldn't technically be enrolled until the insurer processes the 834 w/the enrollee's specifics.
That being said - if someone has submitted an application that has been vetted via the info gathering process on the website, these are valid pending enrollees. I don't think the process is any different than that used for new hires at a company. Most people once they get a job, expect they'll have coverage. This is quite similar, IMO. Parent
Someone who has a plan in a shopping cart may have put it there to go back to it later, after they do some more investigation into that or other plans. To call that person an "enrollee" is just nonsense. Parent
Please note I said "submitted an application".
Something sitting a shopping cart has not been submitted. Parent
"In the data that will be released this week, `enrollment' will measure people who have filled out an application and selected a qualified health plan in the marketplace," said an administration official, who requested anonymity to frankly describe the methodology.
The administration plans to use this count of enrollees because that's where their interaction with the healthcare.gov site ends, the administration official said. Insurance plans, rather than the federal government, are responsible for collecting the first month's premium.
Haven't heard anyone from the administration refute this, so YMMV. Parent
Until we finally reach the point in the reform process where we are all covered under a single-payer system like Medicare, health care insurance should be seen as a necessary component for your own financial protection, and not as some unwanted government-imposed burden. But if you're uninsured by choice and you want to play that version of Russian Roulette with your health care needs, that's totally cool with me -- with one caveat.
And that caveat is you make sure that you have a very hefty and well-endowed contingency fund set up and readily available to cover your bills and expenses in case of unforeseen calamity.
Further, your designated failsafe position in case the unthinkable happens should NOT be your state's (probably embattled) Medicaid program, which otherwise seems to be the unfortunate mindset of an awful lot of "healthy" individuals who willingly choose to be uninsured, even though they can either receive coverage through their employer or afford it themselves.
Because if your fallback plan in case of emergency is simply to declare bankruptcy and go on Medicaid, then I'd offer that you might in store for some pretty rude surprises, in addition to your current health care crisis:
Therefore, if you willingly choose to go uninsured even if you can otherwise afford or receive coverage, then please understand that you're shooting a high-stakes craps game at your own risk, and not playing with house money. And should you roll snake eyes, that'll be all she wrote.
Health insurance plans only count subscribers as enrolled in a health plan once they've submited a payment. That is when the carrier sends out a member card and begins paying doctor bills. When the Obama administration releases health law enrollment figures later this week, though, it will use a more expansive definition. It will count people who have purchased a plan as well as those who have a plan sitting in their online shopping cart but have not yet paid. "In the data that will be released this week, `enrollment' will measure people who have filled out an application and selected a qualified health plan in the marketplace," said an administration official, who requested anonymity to frankly describe the methodology.
When the Obama administration releases health law enrollment figures later this week, though, it will use a more expansive definition. It will count people who have purchased a plan as well as those who have a plan sitting in their online shopping cart but have not yet paid.
BTW - I have three accounts, because every time I tried to sign up I had problems. So at least 2 of those "enrollees" are me - with plans sitting in two differnt shopping carts. I'm not alone. Parent
However, I still feel my reasoning was sound: the President had demonstrated an excellent grasp of new media and the challenges of new technology in trouncing Romney in 2012. I thought that experience would surely be brought to bear on on his health-plan website technology as well. I guess not. I look forward to the full story, though. Parent
The White House has spent weeks trying to lower expectations about the enrollment figures, which have set off a pitched political battle among supporters and critics of the health overhaul, each seeking political advantage in the numbers. One point of contention is around the way the Obama administration defines who, precisely, is enrolled. The administration counts new enrollees as those who have "selected a marketplace plan." They are people like Hung Trang, a 60-year-old nail salon owner in Tampa, Fla., who has been trying for weeks to sign up for coverage. With some help from a counselor, called a "navigator," he has picked a plan, but has not yet committed to buy it. The health insurance industry, though, says people like Mr. Trang do not count until they have agreed to pay. "Paying the first month's premium is what needs to happen before coverage actually begins," said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry trade association. "Until a consumer makes their first-month premium, they can make a different coverage decision -- including whether they want to buy coverage or not."
One point of contention is around the way the Obama administration defines who, precisely, is enrolled.
The administration counts new enrollees as those who have "selected a marketplace plan." They are people like Hung Trang, a 60-year-old nail salon owner in Tampa, Fla., who has been trying for weeks to sign up for coverage. With some help from a counselor, called a "navigator," he has picked a plan, but has not yet committed to buy it.
The health insurance industry, though, says people like Mr. Trang do not count until they have agreed to pay.
"Paying the first month's premium is what needs to happen before coverage actually begins," said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry trade association. "Until a consumer makes their first-month premium, they can make a different coverage decision -- including whether they want to buy coverage or not."
(Since you're in the insurance industry, I'm sure you know this already)
And Kathleen Sebelius chose her words very carefully here (from the WaPo):
In announcing the enrollment figures for the first reporting period of Oct. 1 to Nov. 2, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that 106,185 people "have selected plans from the marketplace." She said that 975,407 others "have made it through the process by applying and receiving an eligibility determination, but have not yet selected a plan." An additional 396,261 have been deemed eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, she said.
Just for starters on that reporting... Parent
That is criminal, literally, and a little funny since I know you and the issues you have had with ACA and Obama in general.
Try telling the SEC you counted online shopping cart goods as sales, aka income. Enron did something similar, but they moved debt off their books, either way income is artifically inflated.
If there are a lot dollars in those carts I guarantee there is talk somewhere over at Big Insurance about what they are going to do if Obama insists those folks should be considered enrolled. Get the big bonus this year with inflated numbers and next year those losses will help offset income and reduce their tax liability. Parent