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Our last open thred (Friday) is all filled up.

I'm off to a college graduation this morning (which unbelievably is going to last four hours until 1 pm, and then with lunch, till 3pm.) Then I get to rush home to meet Comcast who will try and tell me why my DVR machine blacks out every night and loses the saved recordings. Since it's probably a box problem, I guess that means I'll be getting a shiny new DVR. Hard to believe the one I have is already 5 years old. Hard to complain though. How many electronics that you run hours a day for five years can last much longer than that?

On Friday, the Government delivered discovery in my latest case with 18 defendants: 16 wiretapped phones and more than 5,000 pertinent calls, all in Spanish. That's my night-time project, to start digging in. I'll be curious to see what language they're using in 2013 for getting prospective cell cite locator information -- whether they are sticking to their argument that they don't need to show probable cause, just a relevance showing under the Stored Communications Act, or whether they've modified it to include probable cause based on the numerous recent court decisions distinguishing between historical and real-time data. In a recent case, I asked the FBI agent if they had the real time locator information showing on a monitor in the control room where they listen to the wiretap calls, and he said yes.

Here's an order denying prospective or real-time cell site locator data by a Magistrate judge named Owsley in Texas. [More...]

He says probable cause is required. Another great issue: Law enforcements use of "cell tower dumps" in which they get the subscriber info and cell cite locator data for every call using the same cell tower as their target. Hundreds of innocents persons' records are swept up. What do they do with them when the investigation is done? Do they remain in their database? The should be destroyed. Judge Owlsey writes

Finally, there is no discussion about what the Government intends to do with all of the data related to innocent people who are not the target of the criminal investigation. In one criminal investigation, the Government received the names, cell phone numbers, and subscriber information of 179 innocent individuals. See United States v. Soto, No. 3:09CR200 (D.Conn. May 18, 2010) (Memorandum in Support of Motion to Suppress).

Although the use of a court-sanctioned cell tower dump invariably leads to such information being provided to the Government, in order to receive such data, the Government at a minimum should have a protocol to address how to handle this sensitive private information. Although this issue was raised at the hearing, the Government has not addressed it to date. This failure to address the privacy rights for the Fourth Amendment concerns of these innocent subscribers whose information will be compromised as a request of the cell tower dump is another factor warranting the denial of the application.

From the Amicus brief in the Soto case:

The facts of this case demonstrate that the government is already using the available cell site technology not only to retrace the movements over time of those suspected of involvement in a crime, but to review the movement and associations of 180 individuals, some of whom could not have any possible connection to the investigation. These facts illustrate that "dragnet type law enforcement practices" that threaten to eviscerate privacy rights and chill associational and other expressive activities are now a reality. Knotts, 460 U.S. at 283-84 (reserving for another day the constitutionality of dragnet type law enforcement practices like twenty-four hour surveillance); United States v. Garcia, 474 F.3d 994, 998 (7th Cir. 2007) (permitting warrantless GPS tracking when the police have a suspect in their sights, but stating that "[t]echnological progress poses a threat to privacy by enabling an extent of surveillance that in earlier times would have been prohibitively expensive" and reserving decision on constitutionality of programs of mass surveillance), cert. denied, 552 U.S. 883 (2007); W.D. Pa. 2008 (Lenihan),534 F. Supp. 2d at 612 ("[N]ewly-emergent technologies create the potential to monitor associational activities in a manner that could have a chilling effect").

The Fourth Amendment protects an individual's reasonable expectations of privacy in information that he "seeks to preserve as private." Katz, 389 U.S. at 351. It cannot be correct that that Amendment has nothing to say about whether government, enabled by technology, may subject Americans to round-the-clock surveillance of their movements for as long as it likes.

Another good reason to turn off your location based services on your phone and not announce your presence at places on apps like four square: It's an announcement to the world that you are not at home.

So much to do, so little time. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    and speaking of being spied on... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by unitron on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:52:17 AM EST
    ...by dear old Uncle Sam...

    FBI Considers CALEA II: Mandatory Wiretapping On Every Device

    "In response to declining utility of CALEA mandated wiretapping backdoors due to more widespread use of cryptography, the FBI is considering a revamped version that would mandate wiretapping facilities in end users' computers and software."

    Elder Daughter's ceremony was long, too. (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 19, 2013 at 01:41:58 PM EST
    It clocked in at just over three hours. I could see a four-hour commencement if it's a very large university and they recognize all the master's and doctoral candidates individually, as they did at SUNY-Albany this morning. But if it's a smaller school, then I think that ceremony's being run by sadists. At least they're giving you lunch.

    We're going out to dinner later to celebrate, but it's going to be an early night, because The Spouse and Elder Daughter return home to Honolulu early tomorrow morning. I have to get them to the airport at 5:00 a.m., because they leave at 6:30 a.m. for Washington-Dulles, and then fly nonstop to HNL, about a 13-hour trip in total with the 90-min. layover.

    My mother, Younger Daughter and I are flying back to L.A. (via Chicago-O'Hare) at 10:00 a.m., where I've got some meetings with two prospective clients before my own return home on Thursday evening. Younger Daughter is saying on in L.A. with her cousins through the weekend, before heading back to UH-Hilo for summer semester.

    Aloha.

    Congrats to Elder Daughter. Finishing (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Sun May 19, 2013 at 01:57:05 PM EST
    college is no small achievement. And a well done to you and Mrs. DinH. I am sure your support and guidance helped her along the path to this success.

    Parent
    Wesley Snipes was the commencement (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Sun May 19, 2013 at 03:45:01 PM EST
    Peaked at SUNY-Purchase when my daughter graduated. The very essence of brevity.

    Parent
    Congrats to you and your daughter (none / 0) (#21)
    by desertswine on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:30:56 PM EST
    at the commencement I went to (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:45:59 PM EST
    today (for the TL kid's significant other, she received her BA in social work, she's been going part-time, while working as a paralegal, for several years, and this year added an internship with Social Services to the already hectic schedule) was three hours. There were 1850 graduates and they called each one by name and had them come up for their diploma. The speeches were pretty short. The head of the university (it is Metropolitan State University of Denver) devoted almost the entire speech to how it was the first school to grant not only in state tuition but lower rates to the undocumented -- even before our Governor signed a bill this year providing that the undocumented can get in state rates. I was the first to clap (many others joined in.)

    Since she had to be there at 7:30 (it began at 9), I went at 8:30. The iPhone is amazing. The TL kid and Ms. TL kid's dad had gotten us seats, and he texted me a message with a red pin. When I clicked on it, it turned into a compass and I could walk directly to where they were sitting. My location was a blue dot, and I just walked towards the red pin on my phone, and there they were, among the thousands of people. (I think it's a feature of Apple Maps.)

    We didn't get lunch, but at least they sold bottled water -- it got pretty hot. Went to lunch after, really a nice day. (And my cable's all fixed now, it was the cable box.)

    Congrats, Donald, and safe trip home.

    Parent

    Was it the Comcast-supplied DVR... (none / 0) (#36)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:27:42 AM EST
    ...or a different piece of Comcast supplied gear?

    Parent
    I'll catch up with everyone in a couple of days from Southern California.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Dadler funnies (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Dadler on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:45:07 AM EST
    And what the heck, one more (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dadler on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:54:29 AM EST
    Did you make that one? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:56:00 AM EST
    yes (none / 0) (#45)
    by Dadler on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:41:03 AM EST
    i'm only posting originals. hope they're good.

    Parent
    I love it (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:10:15 PM EST
    Makes me think of the whole Bush administration

    Parent
    Still not getting red "new comments" (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by shoephone on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:46:02 AM EST
    in open threads.

    Nope (none / 0) (#71)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:05:47 PM EST
    me either. I don't think anything is happening on that though.

    Parent
    a shot in the dark........... (none / 0) (#106)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:48:46 PM EST
    Sj, do you remember, a couple of months ago, Jeralyn posted a security warning, and the fix I believe, for a possible security breach with JAVA? (again, I think) Anyway, I posted my two cents worth, after consulting with my brainiac brother, and his "boys." These guys, graduates of Stanford, MIT, Harvard, and Berkeley, Ca. told me to Fuhgeddaboudit! The reasoning was that the problem was statistically infinitesimally small and that the odds of amateurs trying to fix their computers would probably cause more damage than the possibility of a real JAVA problem. BTW, I know I screwed up the grammar here, so I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

    Bottom line, there was a tiny chance that not doing "the fix" could bring unpleasant results, but the odds of non-tech folks attempting to do it was, in their opinion, exponentially greater. And, their rationale to me (which made sense) was that if there was a reasonable, real damaging threat, the level of warning would have been much higher. JAVA, after all, is installed, in one way or another, on literally, billions of machines. If billions of machines were exposed to  real damage, the warning wouldn't have been just a short, quick blurb, but rather, a warning (and fix) of sufficient magnitude and repetition that no one would have been missed.

    So, like a jerk, I informed my buds here, basically saying what I just wrote now, and figured you guys could decide for yourselves what to do, or, at least inquire (google) some more about it. Again, so, like clockwork, our host let me, and the whole TL clan, know, in no uncertain terms, that I was the insidious,  geek equivalent of a suicidal party farter for exposing all of you to possibly great danger. I mean, I didn't advocate for ignoring the "warning." I just passed along the info I got (from some pretty reliable sources btw,) reiterated the small, possible danger, and left it at that.

    Finally (how do I get wrapped up in these long winded explanations when two sentences probably could have achieved the same results. Eek, I may be morphing into ("Donald.")

    Wrapping up (and the crowd goes wild) Sj, you may want to look into that "fix" as the culprit for the "Red" dilemma, if, in fact you attempted it back then. But, you're on your own as to how to do it.

    Parent

    No that wasn't it (none / 0) (#107)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:32:35 PM EST
    My work computer is having the same problem and it never had java installed.

    I don't think so anyway.

    Parent

    If it plays videos (none / 0) (#108)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:03:19 PM EST
    more than likely Java's there.

    But, like I said, "a shot in the dark." I don't know about you, but it seems like whenever there's a critical update to windows, or something like that, some other program that never had a problem gets screwed up.

    Parent

    OK (none / 0) (#120)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:29:00 PM EST
    I didn't do videos much because it had no sound card.

    Parent
    For me, that happens on the newest post. (none / 0) (#112)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:34:15 PM EST
    Not just open threads, but whatever is the most recent post.

    Parent
    That is when I experience (none / 0) (#114)
    by MO Blue on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:09:10 PM EST
    the problem also.

    Parent
    Same here. (none / 0) (#117)
    by nycstray on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:38:52 PM EST
    After I've read the comments the first time, then everything is back to normal. Perhaps there's something in the code that says, 'duh, you haven't been in the post yet, so everything is new, it would be redundant to mark them'?

    Parent
    It is new posts for me also (none / 0) (#122)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:32:56 PM EST
    Not necessarily the latest one. If J puts up more than one post at a time all the new ones have the problem.  And it takes a while before the indicator starts showing up.  It has taken a day or longer sometimes.

    Parent
    Economic Mental Health (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Dadler on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:47:05 PM EST
    Well, my daughter's wedding was Saturday, (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Anne on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:36:39 PM EST
    and it was just a wonderful, beautiful day, from start to finish...

    The weather was iffy - any of you who watched Preakness coverage could see that it was overcast, and it was a little cool, but at all the important moments, the drizzle stopped, so I guess someone was looking out for us.

    I'm a little sad that it's all over - we've been living and breathing it for so long, it feels weird not to have anything left to plan! Seeing it all come together with no glitches, being able to be in the moment and soak it all in - it was great.  Daughter and her husband left for St. Thomas this morning, and their flight touched down about 20 minutes ago.  They're staying here: Sugar Bay Resort and Spa -  I'm thinking I wouldn't mind a week there!

    Will try to get some pictures up when I can - but it feels like days since I've checked in here, and just wanted to let you know I'm alive and well!

    Nice to hear it went well (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Yman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:44:39 PM EST
    Sugar Bay is a beautiful resort - I've eaten dinner there but haven't stayed there.

    If they enjoy snorkeling, tell them to take a short ride over to Sapphire Beach (very close) - sea turtles, rays, fish, etc., and a beautiful beach, to boot.

    Parent

    I second Yman on the "nice to hear. . ." (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:20:46 PM EST
    And welcome back. Nothing much new happened here while you were off at the nuptials. So, you are already up to speed. :-)

    Parent
    Congrats! (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jbindc on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:10:58 PM EST
    Oh (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:14:52 PM EST
    so glad for you and your daughter Anne!!

    Parent
    Thanks, everyone! (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Anne on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:09:46 PM EST
    I guess tomorrow it's back to the real world, and work...but at least it's a short week for me this week, and next week, too, so that's a good thing!

    All of the vendors we used were just great (which is why I want to give them credit for their good work!) - and, oh, my god, the flowers...we had used this florist for my older daughter's wedding, so I knew they would be good, but she really outdid herself.  When we had the DJ announce that people could take the centerpieces home, people ran onto the terrace to get them.  

    I can't wait to see the photos - we had two great photographers who must have taken thousands of pictures.  We had one with the guys while they were getting ready, and one with us as "the girls" were prepping - then both at the church and at the reception.  The food was outstanding - I had to go back and get another crab cake! - and we had an all-white cupcake tower topped with a small cake for the bride and groom - plus another table with assorted, mini-cupcakes in all kinds of flavors - those were a big hit!

    The venue itself was just gorgeous - and my husband and I stayed in the suite the bridal party got ready in - the bride and groom stayed in their own suite, and - since it's a bed and breakfast - the four of us met for breakfast the next morning - which was a great way to start the day, talking about the wedding and all the fun we'd had at the reception.

    Then...with the bride and groom not leaving for their honeymoon until today, it was off to the groom's uncle's home for brunch!  Another chance to get together with the family and talk and laugh and eat some more...neither my husband nor I ate any dinner last night - we both agreed that while we were mildly interested in it, neither of us was motivated to do anything about it!

    So, still coming down from all the festivities - maybe by the end of the week, I'll be feeling "normal" again!

    Parent

    Aw, that's wonderful, Anne (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:08:08 PM EST
    says Johnnie-come-lately dragging up the rear.

    Kids, dontcha just love'm.

    Blessed with a son, and daughter. Double blessed with a granddaughter, and in 4 months, a grandson.

    Crap....I don't deserve this:)

    Parent

    Congratulations to you, too. (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:30:21 PM EST
    Sounds like you've been busy. Aloha.

    Parent
    Thanks, Donald! And congrats to your (none / 0) (#102)
    by Anne on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:14:47 PM EST
    daughter on her graduation - golly, it seems like she only just started college! - and congrats to you and Mrs. Donald - I know how proud you are and what a happy time it was for all of you.

    Catch your breath if you can, because you know there's so much good stuff yet to come - weddings and grandkids! - and it will all be here before you know it.

    One day, they are little blanket-swaddled babies, and the next, they are nearly grown, and you will have no idea how it all happened so fast!

    Cheers!

    Parent

    Congrats! (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by Zorba on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:43:02 PM EST
    To all of you!  I was wondering how the wedding went.  Sounds like it was all wonderful!

    Parent
    How wonderful (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:29:34 PM EST
    I'm very happy for your whole family :)

    Parent
    Glad that fates were kind for the wedding (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by MO Blue on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:34:47 PM EST
    Sounds like it was a glorious event.

    Best wishes for your daughter and her new husband.

    Parent

    In a somewhat related story... (none / 0) (#1)
    by unitron on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:27:23 AM EST
    ...the Federal 1st Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that police can't search your phone when they arrest you without a warrant.

    So I guess that means they'll get all your phone data without a warrant and then they'll arrest you, at which point they won't need to search your phone.

    The cable guy is coming out on a Sunday? (none / 0) (#2)
    by unitron on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:35:53 AM EST
    "...tell me why my DVR machine blacks out every night and loses the saved recordings."

    Are these recordings that you know the machine actually made?

    As in you could play them back right after they're made (if it were convenient at that time), but later on they aren't there any more despite still having plenty of disc space?

    Could be the CCI bit (click me) is set to 3 or 7 on those shows and they "evaporate" after 90 minutes.

    yes they were recorded (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:09:50 AM EST
    and on the DVR for months -- the Stones' Crossfire Hurricane and the History of the Eagles. The tv works fine but when I press the dvr a message comes up "DVR service not available, call Comcast.)

    They give it a jolt (by phone) and a few hours later it's back with my recordings. The next day the same thing happened. They think it's the cable/DVR box that's faulty.

    Yes, they come out on Saturdays and Sunday with a 2 hour window.

    Parent

    also, the record function doesn't work (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:12:45 AM EST
    when the DVR isn't working. The cable TV has not been affected, just the DVR part.

    Parent
    Sounds more like... (none / 0) (#14)
    by unitron on Sun May 19, 2013 at 12:36:47 PM EST
    ...their software on the box is faulty than the box itself (unless it's actually software at the head end that's falsely telling the box that you don't have a valid subscription or something like that), but if they've been on the box that long then the CCI bit isn't the problem.

    Does there seem to be any consistency about the time of day when the problem pops up?

    Is there, buried in a sub-menu somewhere, a place that tells when the box last "phoned home" to Comcast to get updated guide data?

    That could be when it's being lied to about your account no longer being valid or something.

    Although I wouldn't entirely rule out the problem being related to that spawn of Satan otherwise known as High-Definition Multimedia Interface, featuring High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection, or that other marvelous opportunity for mysterious problems, Switched Digital Video.

    But my specific DVR experience is limited to TiVo.

    (So nice to be able to do your own hard drive upgrades, and if you discontinue the subscription you can still watch the stuff you've already recorded)

    Parent

    Dadler's ecard of the day (none / 0) (#6)
    by Dadler on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:19:02 AM EST
    I just heard a wonderful performance (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:17:21 AM EST
    of an obscure oratorio. 11 am. But the performance was not in a church.

    Parent
    I watched (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by lentinel on Sun May 19, 2013 at 12:00:15 PM EST
    a rebroadcast on ARTE of a Toscanini performance in the 1950s with the NBC Symphony Orchestra.

    No extra motion.
    The music just flowed out of him and his countenance.

    The camera work was great too.
    No jumping around from section to section depending on who plays what phrase. Just a focus on the conductor and orchestra from the perspective of the audience - or a lateral view of everyone. Or - a prolonged focus on Toscanini's face as he conducts. You could sense every single note.

    Really magic.

    Parent

    I'm going to church now. (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Dr Molly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 11:23:01 AM EST
    That's what I call my Sunday morning yoga class :)

    Parent
    Eurovision (none / 0) (#11)
    by sj on Sun May 19, 2013 at 11:20:38 AM EST
    I don't get the Eurovision Song Competition on Comcast though I wish I did so I never watch, but... I have to say that I'm amused by this story that Germany's entry may have done so poorly because the rest of Europe is pi$$ed at Angela Merkel who is
    ..loathed in parts of Europe for her insisting on painful austerity measures in countries such as Greece, Spain and Italy in exchange for rescue packages.


    Anecdotal evidence: Germans are pissed (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Sun May 19, 2013 at 03:42:26 PM EST
    at Greece, not Merkel.

    Parent
    Why would Germans (none / 0) (#22)
    by sj on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:36:21 PM EST
    be pissed at Merkel? They've been cheering her on all along. Of course they're going to blame the not-Germans. Doesn't matter though. The German singer was 21st out of 26 countries.  Possibly (not definitively) because the rest of Europe is not as enamored of Merkel as the Germans. So the Germans can be as pi$$ed as they wish at whomever they wish, but they got clobbered in Eurovision which is kind of a big deal.

    So I'm amused.

    Parent

    Culture alert: Cecilia Bartolli nails (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Sun May 19, 2013 at 03:46:55 PM EST
    Bellini's "Norma."  Check out the new recording.

    Culture Alert to you, as well (none / 0) (#27)
    by Dadler on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:13:42 PM EST
    The Girl From UNCLE guy? Noel? (none / 0) (#33)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:18:42 AM EST
    Who I seem to recall having an entire "hit" record that got a few weeks of airplay back around '65.

    Parent
    Wrong Harrison (none / 0) (#39)
    by Dadler on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:47:29 AM EST
    Carey, Rex's son with Lili Palmer. Noel is the older one.  

    Parent
    Wow (none / 0) (#65)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:44:18 PM EST
    That looks incredibly cool. I can't go, but it looks great.

    Parent
    They do their shows... (none / 0) (#69)
    by Dadler on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:54:15 PM EST
    ...in a converted barn in the woods, it's really a kind of magic theatrical setting.

    Carey's always been such a great mentor and friend to me, and when I saw him in SF a few months back we had such a time reminiscing about our university daze. He had only recently become a college professor, I was one of his first students, and I remember fondly joking around in office hours in a pipe-smoke filled office where he was banging out his novel RICHARD'S FEET at a torrid pace when not teaching (btw, the novel is a great and demonic read if you ever want to check it out).

    Parent

    Love Cecilia Bertoli's voice (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:45:17 PM EST
    (name pronounced "che-cheelia," I gather).  Not an opera fan, but we have a daughter named Cecilia, so I decided to give CB a try.

    Parent
    I thought it (none / 0) (#30)
    by sj on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:58:05 PM EST
    was pronounced "se-cheelia" but what do I know.

    Parent
    Could be (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Sun May 19, 2013 at 11:20:45 PM EST
    Would be interested in having some authoritative feedback on that point.

    Parent
    It's Cecilia Bartoli (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Zorba on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:51:46 PM EST
    not Bertoli. Link.
    And it's pronounced "Checheelee-a," accent on the second syllable.  
    Link.
    I thought so, since I took a little Italian in college, but I Googled it to make sure.
    ;-)

    Parent
    Thanks, Z (none / 0) (#110)
    by Peter G on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:41:47 PM EST
    Appreciate it.  In my head I knew it was "Bartoli," not "Bertoli," but not in my fingers, apparently.

    Parent
    New District Court Judge (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by MKS on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:58:30 PM EST
    in Riverside is former Federal Public Defender for more than a decade.....

    Cool, huh?

    Parent

    You were perhaps thinking (none / 0) (#113)
    by Zorba on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:02:20 PM EST
    of the olive oil. Although  that is spelled with two l's.  Bertolli.
    ;-)

    Parent
    Possible, but more likely (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Peter G on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:42:28 PM EST
    it was this, which is more up my alley!

    Parent
    Leave it to (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Zorba on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:39:49 AM EST
    a lawyer  to think of a legal case instead of a well-known olive oil.........

    Parent
    Thanks! (none / 0) (#119)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:27:41 PM EST
    Even her name is musical.

    Parent
    I always thought (none / 0) (#124)
    by Zorba on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:08:29 AM EST
    that Italian was very musical, which is why I took a year of it in college.  Not intending to become fluent or anything, but just to pick up a little.  


    Parent
    Cecilia Bartoli (none / 0) (#29)
    by sj on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:55:41 PM EST
    was my first opera love. Saw her as Susanna in Figaro at the Met. It was either 2000 or 1999.  I think.

    Parent
    Isn't she the soprano (none / 0) (#37)
    by TeresaInPa on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:47:51 AM EST
    who threw such a diva fit a few years ago that she got fired and was banned from singing at the Met for life.... or some such story?  Do you remember an event like that?
    Anyway, how does she compare to Rene Fleming?  I have always loved Fleming's recording of Casta Diva was close to perfect.


    Parent
    That was Kathleen Battle, who (none / 0) (#85)
    by oculus on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:54:10 PM EST
    pissed off the Met.  

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    I think she pi$$ed off almost everyone (none / 0) (#86)
    by shoephone on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:01:51 PM EST
    she worked with. (Except maybe Wynton Marsalis, but he pi$$es a lot of people off too. They deserve each other.) I always thought it was funny and fitting that her last name is Battle.

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    yes, thank you (none / 0) (#134)
    by TeresaInPa on Tue May 28, 2013 at 05:37:14 AM EST
    I apologize

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    Weekend movie review (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Sun May 19, 2013 at 05:48:25 PM EST
    "Searching for Sugar Man"

    An amazing story.

    That's all that's needed.
    Just 3 words.

    That was an amazing movie. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Dr Molly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:48:30 PM EST
    Love love love

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    great movie, I loved it (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:47:42 PM EST
    Is that the one... (none / 0) (#34)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:20:18 AM EST
    ...that should be entitled "Searching for years of unpaid royalties"?

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    I'll assume you didn't see it (none / 0) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:33:22 AM EST
    because if you did you missed the story.

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    I think I saw something about him on 60 Minutes... (none / 0) (#50)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:13:22 PM EST
    ...and another show or part of a show about him someplace else on television, but I haven't been in a movie theater in ages.

    So did they ever figure out who was pressing and selling all those records that got sold in Africa?

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    I really enjoyed it (none / 0) (#46)
    by shoephone on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:44:45 AM EST
    Everybody left the theater singing the song too.

    I don't want to give away any spoilers for those that haven't seen it, but...it really struck me as so incongruous that, except for one black guy (that I noticed), the audience for his comeback show in SA was completely white. Considering that he was heralded as such a big influence for the anti-apartheid folks all those years, it seemed very strange. It was like another kind of apartheid, in a way. Two completely different worlds.

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    Has anyone watched Continuum? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:52:24 PM EST
    It's on Netflix, it's a series about a group of terrorists in 2077 sentenced to death who while in the courtroom press a button and they all go up in a pouf, taking a female cop with them, back to 2012. She has all these high tech powers which were implanted in her in 2077, but she misses her husband and son and wants to get back, while the terrorists (they are anti-corporate terrorists, no religion involved) start violent gang warfare. Takes place in Canada, it's a Canadian series. Pretty good, I'm on episode 4.

    Apparently they are about to launch Season 2, so Season 1 is free on Netflix.

    It's been running on SyFy... (none / 0) (#35)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:25:24 AM EST
    Season 1 ran mid Jan-mid March this year, but I think it aired originally in Canada back in 2012.

    It's kind of interesting, in a not too timey-wimey kind of way. : - )

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    My husband and Josh watch it (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:16:57 AM EST
    I sometimes watch it with them, but for some reason it isn't specifically appealing to me.  They love it though.  Another reason to enjoy DVRs, when we get busy they often miss the program but when it is recorded it waits for them and down time.

    I never used to be able to track any weekly program,  I would not sacrifice my real life for weekly scheduled entertainment.  With DVRs though and Netflix they have changed everything.  I never watched Mad Men.  But I think when Game of Thrones finishes its season, I will start watching Mad Men on Netflix.

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    Aloha from O'Hare. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:52:08 PM EST
    Our connecting flight to LAX got delayed, so my mother and Younger Daughter roamed off to get some lunch, leaving me at the gate to watch the stuff.

    Honestly, I really didn't care for this week's episode of "Mad Men." In particular, I found the "Mammy Burglar" character to be repulsive. Once again, the show's writers all too easily donned the mantle of white middle-class historical fantasy, and took the cheap way out by playing to the worst white stereotypes of African Americans, not unlike previous episodes in which blacks were muggers and prostitutes, not to mention the rioters of only a few short weeks ago. I mean, who's next in the docket -- Superfly the Pimp?

    Granted, there's no doubt that such disreputable people did exist at the time, but why do they have to be almost a recurrent underlying subtext for African Americans in "Mad Men" episodes, to the near exclusion of other, more positive black characters? Because while Mammy Burglar took center stage to terrorize de white childs, Don Draper's secretary Dawn was left with throwaway lines like "You need some water?" and "Can I clean that up?"

    I'm sorry for the rant, but that just really rubbed me the wrong way last night. The rest of the episode appeared totally unformed, as though the director somehow lost the final script and decided to film the rough draft instead, commencing with that surreal "Blue Velvet" knockoff of an alcohol-fueled road trip, with Ken Cosgrove assuming the role played by Kyle MacLachlan in that 1986 David Lynch film.

    (And where was Dennis Hopper when we really needed him, screaming "Heineken? F--- that s---! Pabst Blue Ribbon!"?)

    Further, our audience flashback via Don Draper's memory hole to Dick Whitman's loss of virginity in the house of prostitution where he lives did next to nothing to illuminate why Draper's character, because we're already well beyond the revelation that women to him are either maternal figures or wh*res -- or in last night's case, both rolled into one. And his stalking of Sylvia in the aftermath of their ugly breakup is just plain creepy.

    If the producers of "Mad Men" are aiming to get back into the Emmy game, and were I them, last night's mess would not be an episode I'd be submitting to the Academy for its members' due consideration.

    Aloha.

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    A detail of some import.... (none / 0) (#52)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:21:39 PM EST
    ...in their future the corporations have taken over the function of government and things are rather "devil take the hindmost" in society.


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    Went through our library this weekend (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:49:39 AM EST
    Took hours, and I didn't think I wanted to shed many books but ended up getting rid of many political books.  I almost released Bill Clinton's bio to the universe, but I saw the price tag on the back and I paid a quarter of a hundred dollars to hear Bill out.  I put it back in the bookcase.

    I also kept David Brock's 'Blinded by the Right' to reread one more time because it seemed like such a pivotal book to me in 2002.  And I paid $15.00 for that book in paperback, crazy, books don't cost what they used to.

    'Blinded by the Right' was written just as the internet and lefty bloggers were being birthed.  I can't wait to remember and reflect back on where things started.

    Blinded by the right (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:40:28 PM EST
    is something that would be good to reread now with what the GOP is doing. I have recommended ti to some of my friends. Also read Mike Lofgren. He talks about how the GOP has gone crazy. His statement that the GOP is no longer a political party but an apocalyptic cult really made sense to me and helped me understand exactly where they are coming from.

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    Another good book from that pariod ... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:57:42 PM EST
    ... to reread is "The Hunting of the President" by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons. It certainly segues well with Brock's "Blinded."

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    Books DO cost what they used to... (none / 0) (#53)
    by unitron on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:23:30 PM EST
    ...and a lot more on top of that.

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    I only paid $20.00 for Eichenwald's (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:18:57 PM EST
    New book, hardcover because paperback not available yet, free delivery.  It is as hefty as Bill's was.  I can't remember when the last time I paid $15.00 for a paperback was.  I use Amazon a lot though for books.  I'm not usually buying used either, I only buy used how to books.

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    Guess my route doesn't help then (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:23:56 PM EST
    recently purchased hardcover version "Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen"

    List Price 24.95
    Amazon 17.34
    Ebay thru Goodwill of Seattle 6.81 (no tax free shipping)

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    What can I say? (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:13:30 PM EST
    Some of us have more patience than others.  The viability of a political book is often short lived too.  Unlike all these painting books I have that I was fortunate enough to pick up pretty cheap and are probably forever keepers.  Politics shmallitics, my addiction revealed.

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    Ugh. Another toddler finds Dad's gun. (none / 0) (#48)
    by shoephone on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:02:14 PM EST
    Everybody around here keeps telling (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:05:23 PM EST
    me that high gas prices don't hurt the economy...

    Well, the Commerce Dept says otherwise.

    Earlier this week, the Commerce Department cited lower-price gas for spurring a slight gain in April consumer spending.

    Rising gas prices will likely reverse both trends, however.

    "In each of the last two years, 60 percent of Americans said they cut back on discretionary spending when gas prices rise," said Greg McBride, senior financial analyst for Bankrate.com. "There's no reason to expect a different result in 2013. And any surge in gas prices would further detract from meager economic growth."

    Link

    So tell me (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:17:17 PM EST
    are you now preparing to blame the disastrous Bush economy on the fact that we had the highest gas prices of all time under his presidency?

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    Fair question (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:32:08 PM EST
    Looking back at 2/2007  when the Demos took over both Houses of Congress......

    Gas was around $2.00 a gallon. U3 was below 5% and the market around 12K and and rising...

    A short 17 months later, mid July 2008, gasoline was near $4.50, U3 was rising and the market was falling.

    Bush, aided by a Demo Congress that had blocked new drilling proposals in May, issued an EO around 8/1 that opened up new drilling sites and the bubble burst. By the time Obama took power gasoline was around $1.81 a gallon. It has never been that low again.

    And this chart doesn't support your claim.

    Link

    But I am sure Obama doesn't know.

    He didn't know about Fast and Furious. He didn't know about Benghazi. He didn't know about the IRS targeting Tea Party groups...He didn't know about the DOJ targeting AP. And I'm sure he didn't know about the FBI targeting Fox.

    Amazing. Absolutely amazing..... Amazing that anyone can support such a person.

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    Fair question (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:32:59 PM EST
    Looking back at 2/2007  when the Demos took over both Houses of Congress......

    Gas was around $2.00 a gallon. U3 was below 5% and the market around 12K and and rising...

    A short 17 months later, mid July 2008, gasoline was near $4.50, U3 was rising and the market was falling.

    Bush, aided by a Demo Congress that had blocked new drilling proposals in May, issued an EO around 8/1 that opened up new drilling sites and the bubble burst. By the time Obama took power gasoline was around $1.81 a gallon. It has never been that low again.

    And this chart doesn't support your claim.

    Link

    But I am sure Obama doesn't know.

    He didn't know about Fast and Furious. He didn't know about Benghazi. He didn't know about the IRS targeting Tea Party groups...He didn't know about the DOJ targeting AP. And I'm sure he didn't know about the FBI targeting Fox.

    Amazing. Absolutely amazing..... Amazing that anyone can support such a person.

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    Actually (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:34:43 PM EST
    that chart does support my claim. You just don't like to pull up the entire chart.  Look at May and June 2008 when gas was an all time high under your favorite president. Nor do you care to mention that under Bush gas rose from less than $1.30 a gallon to the all time high of 4.12 a gallon. But hey, that's your chart that says it, not me.

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    I'll use the Rudy Guiliani answer (none / 0) (#115)
    by Yman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:26:28 PM EST
    He didn't know about Fast and Furious. He didn't know about Benghazi. He didn't know about the IRS targeting Tea Party groups...He didn't know about the DOJ targeting AP. And I'm sure he didn't know about the FBI targeting Fox.

    Amazing. Absolutely amazing..... Amazing that anyone can support such a person.

    9-11.

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    Pleazzzze... (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:21:23 PM EST
    You keep posting Fox News talking points about the price of gas, and people keep refuting them.

    Even if the face of fact, you won't stop with the gasoline, no one cares but you Jim.  You are the only person who seems to think it's some sort of economic indicator and that the President has magical powers to set the price of gas.  Which really favors Exxon and Chevron profitability.

    The horse came to me in a dream last night and requested you stop kicking its corpse.

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    Gee Scott, I was unaware that (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:35:16 PM EST
    1. Gannet was owned by Fox.

    2. That USA Today was owned by Fox.

    3. That the Tennessean was owned by Fox.

    4. That the Commerce Department is owned by Fox.

    You need to read before engaging key pad.

    lol

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    USA Today is owned by Gannett, Jim -- and ... (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:11:37 PM EST
    ... so is The Tennesseean. Cross-pollination is far more the rule in today's media, rather than the exception.

    (See "The Tribune Company," which owns the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, the Harford Courant, the Orlando Sentinel and the Baltimore Sun, among other media outlets.)

    So while you think you've just cited three different sources here, in actuality you've only referenced the same source -- Gannett -- in three different ways.

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    Gee, Donald thanks for making (1.00 / 2) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:35:43 PM EST
    my point that Scott is writing through is wahzoo!

    Now, if you want to claim that the Commerce Dept didn't say that and the USA Today writer misquoted them, fine...

    But please quit trying to change the subject from a fact to something that has nothing to do with anything.... Then again that's what Left wingers do. Next thing I know you'll be insulted because I factually quoted the article....

    Isn't "insulted" the latest talking point.

    ROFLMAO at you.

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    Jim, grow up. (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:41:56 PM EST
    It's really a shame that I have to say that to someone who's quite a bit older than me.

    I made no such comment about either Scott's post or your original post. I simply pointed out that while you cited three supposedly different secondary sources to support your contention --(Gannett, USA Today and The Tennesseean) -- two of those sources are secondary, and got their material from the same primary source, Gannett. That's all.

    So, get a grip, Gramps, and stop making such a fool of yourself here.

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    Junior, you are a nasty person who (1.00 / 1) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 23, 2013 at 07:40:06 AM EST
    loves to act superior and very very intelligent.

    My using all three was just a way of making a point by overstatement. That is, the source was totally main stream media.

    And you weren't smart enough to understand.

    You call me a fool. Well, only an ass would do that.

    Grow up, Donald. You aren't special and you aren't smarter than he average bear.

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    More importantly, you've cited ZERO ... (5.00 / 4) (#76)
    by Yman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:32:25 PM EST
    ... sources for your silly theories about how Bush's actions caused gas prices to fall while Obama's caused them to rise.

    Gas prices fell in 2008 because the world economy was in freefall and demand for oil shrank dramatically.  They rose under Obama when the world's economies stabilized and demand increased again.

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    What Yman Said (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:14:35 PM EST
    I missed those sources, please repost.

    The one source you did post, the Tennessean doesn't even mention Obama, and states in the first paragraph:

    Troubles at several oil refineries are driving gasoline prices sharply higher in the Midwest, and the regional shortages are expected to boost pump prices nationwide.

    Jim, please repost links that state Obama is responsible for high gas prices.  Otherwise it's just an unsubstantiated opinion from a partisan hack.

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    Well (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:41:48 PM EST
    the latest poll finds that Obama's approval rating went up. Apparently the attacks from the GOP are backfiring on the GOP. I guess they never learn. They helped Bill Clinton shoot into the 70's during impeachment. What a bunch of idiots.

    Last Week... (none / 0) (#72)
    by ScottW714 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:07:01 PM EST
    ...I was dumbfounded when I saw the approval ratings of republican congress members last week, 16%.

    Gallop's numbers.

    Even funnier, Clinton is 9 points higher than Obama:

    Sixty-four percent of those surveyed had a favorable impression of the former first lady. By contrast, 55 percent said they had a favorable impression of President Obama, and 45 percent said the same for Vice President Biden -- Clinton's potential foe in a 2016 Democratic primary. Former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, who assumed Clinton's job at the State Department, was seen favorably by 44 percent of those surveyed.

    Benghazi just won't stick and all this other non-sense has nothing to do with Clinton.

    I concur "What a bunch of idiots."

    Funny note, John Kerry's approve rating is nearly 3 times that of the Republican Congress.

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    I don't (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:37:17 PM EST
    agree with a lot of what Bill Mahrer says but he said that she eats scandal for breakfast and that Benghazi is going to do nothing to change her popularity but the idiots in the GOP keep trying. The odd thing is how on earth did they not think that falsifying emails would not blow up in their face? They deserve a 16% approval rating. Even 16% might be considered too high.

    The GOP is terrified of her so they are just screaming and flailing around trying to find something.

    I am surprised at Biden's numbers. I would have thought they would have been higher but Kerry's is about what i expected.

    The GOP has created an apocalyptic cult by fusing religion and politics.

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    Yeah, GA... You are also scared (1.00 / 1) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:40:36 PM EST
    of those Christians...

    LOL

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    What (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:49:39 PM EST
    are you talking about? There's mainstream Christians and then there's the freaky apocalyptic Christians who are afraid of their own shadow. Those fear based fundamentalist Christians are very easy for the GOP to manipulate because apparently they lack any critical thinking skills and rarely venture out of the echo chamber.

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    In Jim's mind (none / 0) (#116)
    by Yman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:29:02 PM EST
    ... then there's the freaky apocalyptic Christians who are afraid of their own shadow. Those fear based fundamentalist Christians are very easy for the GOP to manipulate because apparently they lack any critical thinking skills and rarely venture out of the echo chamber.

    ... they're synonymous.  They always define "Christians" as their own brand of fellow, fundamentalist wingnut.

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    What is (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:32:58 PM EST
    "the Republican Congress"?  

    Your link to Gallup doesn't work.  And BTW, we don't have a "Republican Congress" in this country.  We have a House of Representatives dominated by Republicans and a Senate where the Democrats are in the majority.

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    Click (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:38:30 PM EST
    on the "even funnier". The article talks about the house I believe.

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    No (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:47:22 PM EST
    I see no reference to the House in that article.  The last Gallup poll that asked about Hillary and Biden and Kerry and Obama was taken in April - before the Boston bombing and before the news of the last week. The article doesn't even mention Congress, so I'm wondering where that narrative came from.

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    Narritive... (none / 0) (#91)
    by ScottW714 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:25:26 PM EST
    ..is that what it is ?

    LINK

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    Yes (none / 0) (#92)
    by jbindc on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:28:11 PM EST
    That poll doesn't say that Republicans in Congress get a 16% approval rating, it says:

    Democrats and independents are now slightly more likely than Republicans to approve of Congress. Democrats' rating edged up to 17% in April from 13% in March, similar to the increase to 16% from 11% among independents, while Republicans' rating slipped to 9% from 15% last month.

    Not at all what you originally said about the misnomer, "Republican Congress".

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    Actually... (none / 0) (#94)
    by ScottW714 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:38:56 PM EST
    ...I wrote "approval ratings of republican congress members".  Either way, you knew what I meant.

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    Except (none / 0) (#99)
    by jbindc on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:55:21 PM EST
    Your comment was completely wrong.  That 16% approval rating is for Congress as a whole, not just Republican members. See that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have the highest unfavorables among the 4 highest members of the Congressional leadership, so the hate doesn't just flow to Republicans.

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    Another life saved (none / 0) (#62)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:34:35 PM EST
    And right here is where it could have (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by nycstray on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:49:58 PM EST
    gone horribly wrong:
    From behind the wooden fence of his front lawn, Mr. Srigley began firing at the dogs. His shots attracted the attention of a Metropolitan Police Department officer on bicycle patrol nearby, and he also opened fire on the dogs, killing the other two.

    While firing at the dogs, he was also firing at the child . . .

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    Just about died laughing (5.00 / 5) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:16:14 AM EST
    My daughter's FIL is pretty gun nutty.  They live near us, subdivision outside town.  MIL was pulling out monkey grass last weekend to put in flowers and a copperhead was coiled up quietly in it, she did just about get bit.  But FIL runs into house, grabs gun, fills the snake full of lead, scared the whole fricken neighborhood to death.  Deadpan my daughter asks him, "You don't own a shovel?"

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Yman on Tue May 21, 2013 at 12:53:01 PM EST
    Much more manly ... usin' our guns to save our womenfolk!  :)  Kinda' surprised he's allowed to fire off rounds in a subdivision, though - even with a snake involved.

    Love the fact that she was able to ask that with a deadpan tone.

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    I'm glad nobody called law enforcement (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:05:10 AM EST
    It would be a toss up as to how confrontational FIL would be about the issue of using his gun vs. danger.  I don't think he would have been real sane about it.

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    Well, if you lived (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Zorba on Tue May 21, 2013 at 01:47:43 PM EST
    where I do, the neighbors up here don't even blink if they hear a gun go off.  But then, we live way, way out in the boonies.
    ;-)

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    No, he was not firing at the child. (1.00 / 2) (#95)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:39:17 PM EST
    Please quit parsing words and making such statements.

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    Generally, when a dog is attacking you (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by nycstray on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:12:19 PM EST
    it's kinda attached to you and you are not standing still . . . . if you are shooting at a dog attached to a child, you are also shooting at the child.

    Next would you like to talk about what a great shot he was since he only managed to kill one dog and the cops had to arrive and kill the other 2 . . . ?

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    No, speaking acually (none / 0) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 23, 2013 at 07:41:15 AM EST
    he was shooting at the dog.

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    But that doesn't count because Shoe (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:37:06 PM EST
    hates guns.

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    I take it (none / 0) (#74)
    by sj on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:11:49 PM EST
    that wasn't the two year old?

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    And more lives taken (none / 0) (#82)
    by Yman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:41:35 PM EST
    4,236 or more since Newtown - (probably more, since the data is incomplete).

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    Another toddler seriously injured (none / 0) (#127)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 21, 2013 at 09:36:15 AM EST
    by the use of a firearm.

    ASHEBORO, N.C. (AP) -- A 2-year-old boy is recovering after Randolph County deputies say he found a handgun inside his home, put it in his mouth, and the weapon fired.

    Deputies say the toddler found his father's .45-caliber handgun in his parents' bedroom on Saturday.

    Authorities say the boy is expected to survive after being taken to a Winston-Salem hospital.



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    This is just so sad (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Zorba on Tue May 21, 2013 at 01:56:03 PM EST
    And so unnecessary.  And this has not been the only case recently involving children and guns, with tragic consequences.
    What in the holy he!! is the matter with parents who leave unsecured, loaded weapons around when they have children in the house???

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