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    We are the land of the free. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:36:41 AM EST
    Because we are the home of the brave.

    Thanks to all that have served.

                                              .

    Marines, a few good men.

    Submarines, all good men..

    And (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by lentinel on Mon May 27, 2013 at 09:50:24 AM EST
    many good women.

    Worth a mention, don't ya think?

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    Happy Memorial Day (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Dadler on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:50:57 AM EST
    One holiday it would be fabulous to never have needed in the first place. May humankind get there someday...preferably soon.

    See my comment #32 (none / 0) (#33)
    by Peter G on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:19:11 PM EST
    Driving cross country ... (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by sj on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:29:56 PM EST
    ... starting tomorrow. My sojourn in Baltimore is ending and I'm returning to Colorado. I shudder to think of the email I'll have when I get back online. I'm not sure how much longer I'll have internet access.  It's supposed to be turned off today.

    Have a safe trip! (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Anne on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:40:31 PM EST
    Look forward to a full report when you can...looks like there's some potential for bad weather in the middle of the country in the next day or so, so please be careful!

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    Thanks for your good wishes (none / 0) (#51)
    by sj on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:53:12 AM EST
    I still have access and have been looking at the weather. For some reason I had it in my head that the weather would be no problem. We'll just have to keep an eye on it.

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    Good luck, sj! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Zorba on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:16:35 AM EST
    Drive carefully!

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    Wish you had better weather for the drive, sj. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:56:10 PM EST
    So, beware of storms and floods and tornadoes in the middle of the country. Are you heading across on I-80 or going for something more scenic?

    Please let us know when you reach your destination, all safe and sound. Will you have internet access on your trip? At motels or restaurants maybe?

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    We were talking (none / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:00:53 PM EST
    about I-70 which is even LESS scenic. But storms... yikes!

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    Check the weather reports. There are (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:15:37 PM EST
    massive storms from Texas and Oklahoma up to Nebraska and moving east. Lots of rain and winds and possible tornadoes. Looks like both I-80 and I-70 could see the effects of this weather system.

    I agree about I-70. Hard as it is to believe that anything could make I-80 seems scenic, but I-70 does. I think it's that never-ending drive across Kansas. The last time I made that drive i was convinced i would die trying to drive across Kansas.  :-)

    Be careful.

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    When my older daughter did a (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Anne on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:28:51 AM EST
    post-high school cross-country trip, she said that at one point when driving across Kansas, they started to feel like they weren't moving, that the almost non-existent scenery was on a loop, so sure were they that they'd seen the same things over and over again.

    Maybe that explains part of what's wrong with Kansas...

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    It is just like that. (none / 0) (#107)
    by sj on Sat Jun 01, 2013 at 02:13:51 PM EST
    Driving through at night isn't any better.

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    It is just like that. (none / 0) (#108)
    by sj on Sat Jun 01, 2013 at 02:14:04 PM EST
    Driving through at night isn't any better.

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    Oh Boy! (none / 0) (#45)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:23:13 PM EST
    Do I have a story to tell you about "....that never-ending drive across Kansas, convinced i would die trying........"


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    Just out of curiosity, (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 28, 2013 at 11:17:39 AM EST
    why would you choose I-70 over I-80? I drove cross country about 5 years ago and I couldn't wait to get off 70 and on to 80. At the time there was less truck traffic on 80 and it had a higher speed limit.

    Not saying your decision is not the correct one but interested in why you would choose 70.

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    Two reasons (none / 0) (#109)
    by sj on Sat Jun 01, 2013 at 02:27:48 PM EST
    First, my son had the I-70 idea already in his head and it is always a challenge to get him to think alternatively when he has a plan.  Second, a quick check of the weather forecast showed that the storm system was trending north.

    We had good luck weather-wise, though. We hit a bad rainstorm near Kansas City, but it didn't last long. We pulled off the highway and took the frontage road for several miles so that the slow going wasn't a danger to ourselves and others.

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    Glad to hear you are okay, sj, and (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 01, 2013 at 03:43:55 PM EST
    that you were not swept away by a tornado.

    Please let us know when you have arrived safely at your destination. Could you put future comments in whatever Open Thread is the most current? I nearly missed this update because the post is so old. Thanks.

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    Safe travels! (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Angel on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:37:22 AM EST
    For kdog: a letter from Charles Bulowski to (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:11:05 PM EST
    his editor.

    Entitled "People Simply Empty Out," the letter is both a thank you to his editor for making it possible for Bulowski, at the age of 50, to quit his job at the post office and write full time, and a commentary on the sad and sorry lot of the American worker.

    Although this letter was written in 1986, Bukowski's observations are painfully relevant to today's workplace.

    Bukowski escaped that particular hell in 1969 when his editor, John Martin, promised to pay Bukowski the princely sum of $100 each and every month foe the rest of his life if Bukowski would quit the post office and write full-time. Bukowski accepted, thank god.

    This letter appears on the website Letters of Note. This site is a collection of interesting letters from various people. In just a short perusal I read letters from Frank Lloyd Wright, Kurt Vonnegut, Neal Cassady, Barack Obama, Ted Hughes, Iggy Pop and a letter written by a former slave to his former owner. This website has some fascinating material.

    I was tipped to the Bukowski letter by Digby.

    I love Letters of Note (none / 0) (#46)
    by shoephone on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:52:25 PM EST
    I also read that letter from the former slave (it was linked to on the Poet's & Writer's website about a year ago) and it still sticks with me.

    $100 a month for a promise to write. There was a time when that $100 covered half your rent...

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    There was a time when that $100 was my rent. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:27:08 AM EST
    Rent for my first apartment, in the early '70s, was $110/month. So, just a hair over Bukowski's stipend, but still not bad.

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    My first house payment (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:43:03 AM EST
    for small starter 3 BR, 1 bath home in 1966 was $114.00 per month.

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    Wow. A 3 BR house? (none / 0) (#84)
    by shoephone on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:58:09 PM EST
    I've already come to terms with the fact I will likely never own my own home. You can't even get a nice one-bedroom apartment in Seattle these days for less than $1200.

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    Well we are talking about 1966 (none / 0) (#89)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:44:36 PM EST
    Couldn't get close now even in a depressed market. Also we are talking the suburbs in the Midwest vs Seattle. Home prices here have always been much more affordable.

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    Absolutely, no argument there (none / 0) (#98)
    by shoephone on Tue May 28, 2013 at 06:52:18 PM EST
    But Seattle used to be a very affordable, middle class city. When I moved into my first apartment in the Uptown neighborhood in 1984, the rent was $265 -- for a large two bedroom apartment with a lovely view of the Space Needle and no shared walls. That apartment now is $1500, and still no dedicated parking spaces...

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    Why thank you Cap'n... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:13:17 AM EST
    a fitting memorial day tribute to the working man's poet, the soldier of skid row.

    We all owe a debt to John Martin and Black Sparrow Press, for recognizing and sponsoring one of the 20th century's greatest poets...I'd hate to even imagine a world without the voice of Charlie Buk.

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    Speaking of "Derp" (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Yman on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:01:22 AM EST
    No - the argument is that somehow - magically - cities have higher gun crime rates because they have stricter gun control laws.  Now, you want to blame higher crime rates on "large political blocks of blue voters (at both county and city level) who both tend to commit more gun crime and favor more gun restrictions".  Gee - it's almost like you want to point the finger at a particular group, but just can't work up the "nerve" to come out with what you really want to claim.

    Classic.

    Of course, what you fail to note is the actual reasons that cities have higher crime rates in general (including non-gun crime rates).  It's been this way for many centuries all over the world - long before civilian gun ownership -  and the many real reasons why cities have higher crime rates in general have been noted in numerous studies, just not your fairy tale reason of stricter gun laws.  Hence, the reason scientists control for urban/rural crime differences in their studies and the reason that - despite those blue states having more urban areas, they still have lower gun crime and violence than red states.  Also the reason you can't cite any actual studies to prove your claims.

    Point the finger... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:52:54 AM EST
    Yes, at city-dwelling 'liberal' Democratic voters.

    Anything else is just your imagination.

    And changing the subject again? The subject once again is GUN crime and more specificially gun crime per capita.

    I'd 'cite studies', but not until you agree with me on what the question is and stop trying to drag irrelevant issues into it.

    It's a simple fact: municipalities and political sub divisions that have fewer gun laws have lower gun crime rates in general. So there is no statewide correlation to anything, because you can't, for instance , treat Chicago like its suburbs.

    Now are we in agreement that we are talking about some level of gun crime? It not, you've lost the argument since you were the one that changed the subject. If so, then we can look at data.

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    Sorry - you lost it long ago (3.67 / 3) (#60)
    by Yman on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:14:21 AM EST
    .. when you had to resort to comparing urban gun crime rates to rural gun crime rates.  My point is that urban gun crime rates are higher because all urban crime rates (gun crime or non-gun crime) are higher for reasons which have nothing to do with gun laws  - or the voting patterns of residents, for that matter.  You want to select a biased sample because you think it supports your silly theory.

    In reality, of course, the higher crime rates have existed for centuries for reasons which have absolutely nothing to do with gun control laws, which is why you can't cite studies to back up your ridiculous claims.

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    The sun set in the West last night and, (none / 0) (#1)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:08:45 AM EST
    like clockwork, it rose in the East this morning.

    also,

    "Two dead, five hurt in Texas shooting spree"

    Maybe if Texas had more "good guys with guns".................

    It's only going to get worse. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Angel on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:44:19 AM EST
    Legislation that would allow concealed-handgun licensees to carry and store weapons in their vehicles on college campuses was approved in final form Sunday by the Texas Legislature.  

    Senate Bill 1907 now goes to Gov. Rick Perry for his consideration.  

    Under current law, weapons in cars on college and university campuses are illegal.  

    The Senate approved a final version of the bill by a vote of 29-3, and the House a short time later voted for it 135-8.  

    The bill, authored by state Sen. Glenn Hegar, R-Katy, was rushed through the legislative process last month after a broader proposal to allow students and faculty members with handgun licenses to carry pistols in classrooms was declared dead.

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    Really sad. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:48:34 AM EST
    A lot more people are going to die because of this craziness. These idiots think John Wayne movies are the way it really goes.

    As far as electoral politics go, I guess you don't have to worry about conservatives winning a lot of national elections in the future because they are apparently going to kill each other off.

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    OMG (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by bocajeff on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:11:12 AM EST
    As tragic as it is for the one person who died (the other was the shooter), how many people were killed in "blue" places like Detroit, Chicago, NY, LA, etc...?

    I guess you don't have to worry about conservatives winning a lot of national elections in the future because they are apparently going to kill each other off.

    But please, let's make every tragedy a referendum on  red/blue politics.

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    If you're into rankings, you might ... (3.67 / 3) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 27, 2013 at 04:54:24 PM EST
    ... take note that Yman pointed out only yesterday, that Illinois one of the lowest gun violence rate in the country per capita. And the state with the lowest rate? You're talking to a guy who lives there.

    The other states with the lowest rate of death by firearms per capita are Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Minnesota, Iowa and California.

    The states with the highest death by firearms rate are Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana and Alaska.

    I'll leave you to figure out which states are red, and which are blue, i.e., if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc.

    Aloha.

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    Cities (3.67 / 3) (#36)
    by Yman on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:00:17 PM EST
    Have higher rates of crime in general.

    But some people might not notice that apples-to-oranges comparison.  Or, at least ...

    ... pretend not to notice.

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    It's not apples to oranges (none / 0) (#49)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue May 28, 2013 at 06:49:47 AM EST
    Apples to oranges is trying to ignore the fact that different gun laws tend to exist for county and city level governments even within the same state and then take all gun crimes that occur in a given state and use these STATEWIDE level statistics as an argument for gun control.

    Can't be done and is dishonest.
    Dishonest statistics yields dishonest answers.

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    Hate to break it to you (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Yman on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:13:44 AM EST
    But those blue states with stricter gun control laws in their cities also have stricter gun control laws on the entire state level compared to red states.  Yet, the most violent states by far are consistently those red states with lax gun laws.  You simply want to pull out the areas with higher crime rates (urban) and compare them to rural areas because you don't understand the real reasons crime is higher in urban areas, or for some other purpose.  

    Oh wait, ...

    ... just read your last sentence.

    Never mind.

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    Okay, all you've offered so far is the (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Anne on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:02:14 AM EST
    rather general statement that "different gun laws tend to exist" and vary from city to county and from those jurisdictions to the state level, but you haven't actually cited any examples.  

    So, it seems to me that what you should be able to show is that, in county X, with fewer restrictions, there were this many gun crimes, and in city Y, where the gun laws are more strict, there were that many gun crimes.  And then you have to factor in differences in population, don't you?  You can't compare a city of 1 million to a county of 200,000 on the bare numbers.

    But before you can get that far, I think you have to find a state or states where there are no gun laws at the state level - only local ones.  And since this is your theory, I think it's up to you to do the research to back it up.

    I may be wrong, but I don't think you're going to have much luck, but I know we will be interested to see what you can find, and see where it takes the discussion.

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    Actually Anne (none / 0) (#74)
    by Slayersrezo on Tue May 28, 2013 at 11:55:03 AM EST
    You can compare 200 thousand people counties with 1 million people cities because at those levels of large population it doesn't make much of a difference in your statistical tests. We run large scale medical studies with well under 100 thousand patients after all and then extend that to a national population.

    At the county level of governance you can usually get decent statistical sample sizes. And at that point all that matters is that you have:
    A. Two different legal regimes
    B. You can calculate per-capita effects of things like gun crime.

    And it's per-capita where pro-gun counties trump anti-gun cities practically every time.

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    I'm still waiting for you to provide us (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by Anne on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:08:56 PM EST
    with the kind of comparison you say exists - where City A and County B have different gun laws, and how state gun laws factor into the equation.

    It's like trying to make the case for raising the speed limits in the cities because in the rural counties where it's higher there are fewer motor vehicle-related deaths and injuries.  

    So, let's see what you've got to prove your argument; if you don't have anything, just say so.

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    oy (none / 0) (#37)
    by sj on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:01:42 PM EST
    Nope (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:46:59 AM EST
    not making it a referendum. Just pointing out that the red states have the highest murder rates as unfortunate as that is.

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    It's not a Red State/Blue State thing, (none / 0) (#19)
    by NYShooter on Mon May 27, 2013 at 01:08:10 PM EST
    nor even a Democratic/Republican thing. It's an Intelligent/Ignorant thing.

    Sometimes it's good to be a  contrarian; like with the stock market, for instance. When too many people take an overly Bullish, or Bearish, position, that's often a signal that people have become too emotional and are unrealistic in their outlook. (Remember Alan Greenspan, and "irrational exuberance?") And, that's usually a good time to "bet" the other way. But, for the most part, "the crowd is usually right." There's something to be said for "collective wisdom."  

    The point I am trying to make is that America, for whatever reason, plays the roll of contrarian too often on the world stage and the result is too often, both predictable, and tragic.  Whether the issue is Health Care, where America acts contrary to the great majority of advanced, civilized nations, or gun policy, where we also stand alone, and isolated from most other countries.

    The result in both cases is the same: "America.....Big Fail."


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    In the (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 27, 2013 at 01:23:23 PM EST
    larger macro picture you are right. A lot of Americans kind of have a knee jerk reaction to something rather than really look at something as a problem to be solved. Instead of trying to solve something that is a problem, you hear we can't do that or this.

    My husband's boss spent a week or so in Japan and said they way they operate business-wise is so different from the way things are done in this country.

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    American "can do" attitude has become (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by shoephone on Mon May 27, 2013 at 01:49:52 PM EST
    "can't do" and pretty much turns the theory of American Exceptionalism on its head. "Knee-jerk" is the perfect description for so many people in this country. It's extra shameful that a lot of them hold positions of political power.

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    Ever bothered to do your calculus (none / 0) (#35)
    by Slayersrezo on Mon May 27, 2013 at 09:29:14 PM EST
    Based on counties and cities rather than States?

    Almost always the rural areas of states have the highest gun ownership rates and the lowest amount of crime. Most gun crimes are concentrated in cities (which tend to lean 'red' no matter which state they are in) and the inner counties surrounding them.

    That's why the western portion of Maryland has far more legal gun ownership per capita than Baltimore City and Prince Georges county both of which have far more restrictive gun laws. And far more gun crime.

    But if Maryland was a "blue" state then you'd be blaming the gun crime on the gun owners in the western counties because that's how you all like to roll.

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    Cities have higher gun crime rates ... (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Yman on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:04:09 PM EST
    ... than states in general because all crime rates are higher in cities, not because of gun control laws.  Why would someone want to do so a statistically unsound, apples-to-oranges comparison unless ...

    ... ohhhhhhhhhhhh ....

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    Happy Memorial Day (none / 0) (#2)
    by fishcamp on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:49:59 AM EST
    I'm going Tarpon fishing.

    I don't understand the greeting (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Peter G on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:17:50 PM EST
    "Happy" Memorial Day.  It is not a "happy" holiday.

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    Have fun. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 27, 2013 at 05:18:49 PM EST
    It's a gorgeous day in Hawaii Nei, the surf's up at 5-to-7 feet and I'm hitting the waves. And hopefully, they won't retaliate and hit back.

    Enjoy the afternoon, everyone -- or evening, if you're back east.

    Aloha.

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    I'm (none / 0) (#3)
    by lentinel on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:03:14 AM EST
    grateful to all those who served, and are currently in the service.

    But I am bitter that our government has forfeited so many American lives for a dishonorable agenda.

    I am bitter about the inadequate and often uncaring treatment for those whose lives have been permanently shattered by their experiences in Iraq or Afghanistan. That is also true for those who served in the first Gulf War - the "good war" - as well as for those who served in Vietnam.

    That's what I think about on Memorial Day when I hear the bromide so easily slipping from the lips of our politicians to "honor their sacrifice". All the while, dishonoring it.

    That's all well and fine. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 27, 2013 at 05:11:33 PM EST
    But speaking as the son of someone who died in the Vietnam War, today is first, foremost and specifically about acknowledgement and remembrance of those who gave their lives in the service of their country. It's not about you and your oft-stated opinions about any pursuit of agendas in which their service was rendered.

    You have 364 other days during the year in which to bemoan and complain about the Evil Empire. Please leave this one single day for our loved ones, that we might choose to remember and mourn them in peace, without accompanying political arguments over whether or not their sacrifice was either worthwhile or in vain -- okay?

    Mahalo nui loa e me ke pumehana aloha.

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    You're (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by lentinel on Mon May 27, 2013 at 05:34:06 PM EST
    not the only one to have lost a loved one in a war.
    Our family never recovered.

    You mourn in your way.
    I mourn in mine.

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    Veterans Day is for those who (none / 0) (#30)
    by MKS on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:33:44 PM EST
    served.

    Memorial Day is to remember those who died in service of their country.

    My grandfather did.  My Dad almost did in an ambush just oustide of Tan Son Nhut airbase.

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    California has a budget surplus (none / 0) (#4)
    by Politalkix on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:28:24 AM EST
    Thank Dawg. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by nycstray on Mon May 27, 2013 at 12:01:56 PM EST
    I was getting a tad tired of 'some people' bashing and finger pointing at us :)

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    This should (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 27, 2013 at 02:45:21 PM EST
    be making conservative heads explode.

    What I say to conservatives is with their bashing they are writing off what? 58 EVs? It takes almost 20 of those square 3 EV states in the middle of teh country to equal ONE California.

    It's like Bill Clinton said it's all about arithmetic and supply side is going to always produce large deficits because it just doesn't add up.

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    Gerald Brown Jr. for President? (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Tue May 28, 2013 at 06:57:06 AM EST
    If (none / 0) (#10)
    by lentinel on Mon May 27, 2013 at 09:54:09 AM EST
    it's possible that they did it, could the national government take a lesson as follow suit?

    As if.

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    The Budget cuts were very harsh (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by MKS on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:57:01 AM EST
    The conservatives talk about the tax increase....but there signficant cuts to education and servcies for the poor....The budget for the courts was cut by half....so fees went up....

    Jerry Brown did not have the benefit of his own currency as does the Federal government.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#65)
    by lentinel on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:39:51 AM EST
    for the explanation. Didn't know about the severe budget cuts - and whence they came. I had assumed, apparently falsely, that Jerry Brown would protect the poor and the weak...

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    And, it takes a 2/3 vote (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by MKS on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:18:10 PM EST
    to pass a budget in California.  So, the Republicans, outnumbered as they are, hold disproportionate sway.

    Jerry Brown has done well imo given the hand he was dealt.

    The Dems this year finally reached a 2/3 supermajority in the Legislature.

    One of the first things Brown did was cancel all the state redevelopment projects.....which was generally approved by the public. as the use of the power of emiment domain to benefit private developers was not held in high esteem.

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    Offtopic DVR alert, re: Continuum (none / 0) (#6)
    by unitron on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:41:23 AM EST
    Continuum, a show mentioned recently by Jeralyn--SyFy will be re-running the first season back-to-back tomorrow morning (Tues. May 28, 2013, beginnng at 8:30 AM Eastern.

    Check, as they say, your local listings.

    I love (none / 0) (#9)
    by lentinel on Mon May 27, 2013 at 09:52:52 AM EST
    good sci-fi.

    Hadn't heard of this, but will check it out.

    Thanks.

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    thanks for the heads up (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 27, 2013 at 12:07:54 PM EST
    I watched about 6 episodes of Longmire this weekend, and haven't gotten back to Continuum. Continuum really is different and good, I hope I finish Season one before Season 2 starts. Continuum is also available free on Netflix which is where I found it.

    I never saw the first Arrested Development so unlike so many others, I haven't even begun to think about watching the new season.

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    I LIKE... (none / 0) (#22)
    by bmaz on Mon May 27, 2013 at 02:18:02 PM EST
    ...Longmire quite a bit. Has an unusual grit and pacing to it.

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    "Conscious vs. Subconscious" vol. 9 (none / 0) (#15)
    by Dadler on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:52:12 AM EST
    And vol. 10, just to catch up (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Mon May 27, 2013 at 11:56:21 AM EST
    I Believe Johnny... (none / 0) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:26:20 AM EST
    ...slipped into Syria over the weekend.

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    McCain is such a messed up guy (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Dadler on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:51:08 AM EST
    He literally makes no sense as a human being, except to understand the trauma he experienced and how much that warps a mind. Oy.

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    You do realize (none / 0) (#70)
    by jbindc on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:56:00 AM EST
    that, despite MSNBC's poor reporting, the WH knew of this trip?

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    Depends.... (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by ScottW714 on Tue May 28, 2013 at 11:41:58 AM EST
    ...on what this actually means:
    "The senator made the administration generally aware of his trip," White House Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri said on MSNBC.

    In reality, it makes no sense to have McCain visiting Syrian rebels and the 'generally aware' isn't exactly a straight answer.

    Seems like I remember the right throwing a fit over something like this in Iraq, but I can't remember the details.  

    McCain has no business in Syria speaking to the rebels IMO, we already know where he stands.  The guy who wants to go to war the most isn't the person who should telling the White House what time of day it is in Syria, authorized or not.

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    Oh, I agree (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:05:50 PM EST
    But it's not like it was a secret to the WH, and if it really would be compromising our position, then I'm sure this wouldn't have happened.

    Also, the fact that the State Department is referring all questions about this to McCain's office and not coming out with a "we didn't authorize this, so he's on his own" distancing  says to me that this was a little more coordinated with the administration than it appears.

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    this is their absurd idea... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Dadler on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:10:36 PM EST
    ...of creativity. The U.S. government has the imaginative chops of a misfiring lawnmower engine.

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    No, (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:16:09 PM EST
    this is business as usual.  Despite what you see on TV and in movies, every word, every action, especially when it comes to our involvement with diploamcy and foreign affairs, is compeltely scripted.

    McCain (and others) may publicly disagree with the administration's stance on any number of issues, but there is no way he sneaks into Syria without the knowledge and tacit approval of the administration. He can go over and say things that the administration can't say and send up test balloons on diplomatic solutions, while meanwhile, back at the ranch, the WH can distance itself by saying - "Hey, we didn't send him."

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    No, every word is not scripted. (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:51:43 PM EST
    You have no idea whether or not McCain's little Syrian adventure is sanctioned by the administration. It is just as plausible that the ol' maverick has gone off on a tangent and the administration is covering as best it can in hopes of containing any fall-out.

    Sure, it is possible that McCain is doing the WH a favor and sending up test balloons. It is also just as possible that McCain hopes to paint Obama into a corner, and force him to give arms to the rebels.  At which point McCain will take a victory lap on all the TV news shows, his homes away from home, and crow about how he, John McCain, saved the day for democracy.

    McCain has been a bit unhinged since November 2008. He has never forgiven either Barack Obama or the American voters for not giving him the White House. His actions and statements since that time have been those of a man who cannot stand to not be the center of political attention. He is a grandstander of the highest order. In a town and a profession where grandstanding is the lingua franca, McCain stands out.

    There may have been a time when the U.S. spoke with one voice in foreign affairs, but that time is long past. Everybody is a freelancer.

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    I guess (none / 0) (#83)
    by jbindc on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:54:42 PM EST
    I'm basing my opinion on the fact that I know tons of people that work / worked in the State Department and watched them work through 2 presidential campaigns - all at pretty high levels, and while I have not discussed this particular episode with any of them, I feel very confident that my interpretation is pretty much dead on.

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    That's what I mean (none / 0) (#80)
    by Dadler on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:33:45 PM EST
    they THINK this is great writing.

    it ain't.

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    This isn't just THIS WH (none / 0) (#81)
    by jbindc on Tue May 28, 2013 at 12:35:55 PM EST
    It's the way it's always done.

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    I understand (none / 0) (#87)
    by Dadler on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:31:07 PM EST
    That is why I said the U.S. government has the imaginative chops of a misfiring lawnmower. Do you really think I consider Obama different from all the rest? Have I consistently praised the Clintons as paragons of imagination and creativity?

    Just know that I do realize that business as usual means there won't be a genuinely creative gone tossed my way for a long time.

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    creative BONE, that is (none / 0) (#88)
    by Dadler on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:31:53 PM EST
    egad, proofread!

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    I would like to see (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by jbindc on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:52:05 PM EST
    a "creative gone" sometime.  :)

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    I Don't Think... (none / 0) (#106)
    by ScottW714 on Wed May 29, 2013 at 09:42:59 AM EST
    ...JM went into Syria without informing State or the WH.  What I wonder, did he ask, or did he let them know before they could stop him.  I just can't imagine him getting the go ahead unless he said I am going, deal with it.

    That 'generally aware' comment is about as gray as it gets.

    On the other hand, it would would be perfect cover, Obama doesn't appear like the hawk he is, and McCain and Co. get to poke the hornets nest.  

    God forbid Obama wants to help the rebels, it would almost guarantee Congress to shoot it down, like Libya.  But if McCain pushes it, no problem.

    Then again, JM is one of the chicken heads squawking the most about Benghazi and it hard for me to believe Obama would he working with McCain on anything.

    Kerry was in Russia trying to broker some kind of resolution against Assad, McCain's presence couldn't have helped.  

    Russia has since decided to send missiles to Assad, surface to air missiles.  Which are believed to dissuade countries with air capabilities from interfering. Hmmm.

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    The Arlington West Memorial (none / 0) (#23)
    by bmaz on Mon May 27, 2013 at 02:18:57 PM EST
    ...on Santa Monica Beach is really pretty awesome.

    Henry Miller playing piano (none / 0) (#29)
    by shoephone on Mon May 27, 2013 at 05:54:09 PM EST
    Has anyone seen the documentary on author Henry Miler in which he plays piano? It's not "Henry Miller Asleep & Awake" (the one that mostly takes place in his bathroom!) but another one from around the same time period. In 1976 or '77 my high school art teacher took me and a friend to see a rare showing of it at a small venue in LA, and I have never been able to remember the title or find it again. It's really funny, because Miller was not ever trained, he just improvises different motifs. Most of it sounds pretty good, and then, at the end, you realize that he really has no idea what hes doing...

    He has a hilarious story (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:14:56 PM EST
    whether true or not, about having an affair with his first piano teacher when he was twelve or thirteen..

    It's impossible to encapsulate, but I do remember him describing his (female) teacher as being large, hirsute, gamey-smelling, and in intimate possession of a "sporan"..

    ..the anecdote ends with them grappling on a railroad embankment, as a freight train comes rumbling down the track, showering them with soot and burning cinders and setting their clothes on fire..  

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    Ha. That visual IS hilarious. (none / 0) (#100)
    by shoephone on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:03:32 PM EST
    I do know that he was fairly young when he had his first sexual experience, and that it was with someone old enough to be his mother. But I didn't know he actually took piano lessons! I wish I could find that documentary. I remember we laughed so hard when we realized he was pretty much winging it...One caveat on Miller, I think he was a really talented writer -- I especially liked the stories in Black Spring -- but his rampant sexist attitudes never appealed to me. He constantly referred to women as "whores." (Not that he is in that league all by himself...I can think of a few other male writers with that slant...)

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    Vietnam veterans & Agent Orange (none / 0) (#31)
    by SuzieTampa on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:17:42 PM EST
    I put out this article today. I'm working on the page on our website about this, and so, I've been deep in Vietnam research all day. It's hard not to be angry about this chemical warfare.

    Not to Get In the Middle... (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:21:35 AM EST
    ...but as a yankee in Texas I have to say it's not about blue/red determination murder rates with fire arms.  It's about the idiots that settled the areas, the same idiots that though nothing of making other human beings do their work and beating them if they did not tow the line.

    IMO more enlighten people vote blue and understand that, for example, when some people hijack a plane with box cutters, the solution is not to arm everyone with a box cutter.  Removing box cutter from the equation is probably going to result in less box cutter incidents aboard planes.  And that giving everyone a box cutter so come feel better is simply ridiculous.

    So you can change the gun laws, but lets be realistic, the fools that want guns in their cars at college already have guns in their cars at college. How effective and what is the point of having your weapon in the parking lot which if colleges here are anything like the ones in Wisconsin, is no where near your person.  This would only be an effective means of protection if one were near their car and a shootout resulted that lasted long enough for one to get to their vehicle, get their gun, and decide to get back into the firefight instead of actually leaving and letting the cops do what they are trained to do.

    IOW it makes no sense, which seems to be a common trait of reasoning for the the people who also elect red colored politicians.  That ain't changing, nor the endless mantra of more guns down here.  There is literally not situation or statistics or common sense that will ever change that.  They simply don't care about less people dieing, only that they feel better any derives some kind of machismo from having guns, which just so happens to coincide with what the gun industry and their numero uno PR arm, the NRA wants them to believe.  It's irrelevant that that attitude is precisely why all the bad guys have the very weapons they are told is the reason they need bigger and better ones.  It's microcosim of the cold war, countless energy and dollars spent trying to out-arm the enemy, with the same pointless result, everyone being less safe so the few can feel safer.

    Yes. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Angel on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:37:12 AM EST