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Labor Day Open Thread

Happy Labor Day. (Version with Axl Rose here.)

Lets drink to the hard working people
Lets drink to the lowly of birth
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Lets drink to the salt of the earth

Congratulations to Diana Nyad. At 64, she is the first to swim from Cuba to Florida. 112 miles, 53 hours.

French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault has presented a report to Parliament which finds the Syrian attack on August 21 involved the "massive use of chemical agents".

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Great David Sirota piece on Labor Day (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 02:40:40 PM EST
    And how it's become about everything BUT organized labor, which is its origin. (link)

    And don't forget to get your daily doze of AN AXE LENGTH AWAY. Today it's volume 115 (link)

    Volume 114
    Volume 113

    My son starts 8th grade tomorrow. Can't believe in a year from now he'll be in high school. Egad, time flies hyperspeed.


    Time flies? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 02:44:01 PM EST
    I think that usually it's about 2 weeks after they're born that they start asking to borrow your car, isn't it? ;-)

    Parent
    Look on the bright side (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Mikado Cat on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 02:47:38 PM EST
    Fair chance they will be living at home until 27 when they need a job for insurance.

    Parent
    Since I'm a Jewish mother trapped in the body... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 02:50:00 PM EST
    ...of an atheist father, I have no problem if he lives with us for a long time. I get misty just looking at pix of his as a toddler now. Quite the iron-fisted dad, I am.

    Parent
    And five years from now, ... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 05:26:09 PM EST
    ... he'll be in college. As I recall, it wasn't all that long ago that my daughters were little girls.

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    Donald (none / 0) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 05:44:12 PM EST
    my daughter graduated from kindergarten yesterday. She takes her certification boards to be a Physician Assistant later this week. Rumor has it there were 20 years in between but it feels more like a couple days.

    Parent
    And with Syria... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 03:21:47 PM EST
    ...about to blow back in our faces as it inevitably will, been thinking about the piece of short fiction I wrote a couple years ago, called THE DICTATOR'S RINGTONE (link). Anyone who hasn't read it, please do, and any comments, thoughts, ideas, condemnations, what have you, bring them on, all appreciated. Mulling it as a theatre piece, or maybe a film. Still have a few good connections, so we'll see if I can find my creative mojo again.

    The story sustained my interest on this (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 05:27:18 PM EST
    lazy afternoon. I don't see a play. Too stationary and interior.  More suitable for a film. Please do not cast Ben Affleck. I sense vobes of Paul Theroux'x demonical fiction, which I love.

    Parent
    Thanks (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 07:10:48 PM EST
    Good points. Been sitting on it for awhile. Need to do something with it.

    Parent
    Did you see the National Theatre's HD of its (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 08:05:13 PM EST
    production of "Timon of Athens"?  

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    Missed it (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:01:43 PM EST
    But it's now on my list.

    Parent
    Contemporary setting and dress. A "have" (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:09:14 PM EST
    becomes a "have not" in sharp relief. Very impressive.

    Parent
    my labor day rant (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 06:25:05 PM EST
    First they tell us to train for computer jobs and IT..then those jobs get shipped overseas

    They tell you to train for high manufacturing jobs...like computer assisted machinists. Then after you complete the training, no jobs. Yet the companies complain that there are no skilled workers.

    Companies hire only through temporary agencies. Then they complain about lack of worker loyalty.

    Aaarrgghh

    Then there's the whole STEM canard (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:05:29 PM EST
    That being America just can't produce enough STEM graduates to fill the need of Great American Companies, like Microsoft or Facebook or whomever, so we just need to import a lot of foreign workers on temporary visas. The reality is we graduate more STEM students than ever, and in fact there is an acute unemployment crisis among American STEM PhD's. So, these vaunted companies, the best and brightest of our "free market system" couldn't care less about screwing our kids' futures, about destroying society to make a few more bucks AND have employees on temporary visas whose lives and fates they literally control.

    Parent
    Depends on what you want in a job. (1.75 / 4) (#13)
    by Mikado Cat on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 08:51:57 PM EST
    Maybe consider doing what you like and dealing with less pay. Going for the most money usually means you need to be where there is a lot of money flow, technical sales of something expensive, someplace in middle management of a profit making company.

    Unless your are highly skilled, line employment isn't going to be that great.

    I expect a lot of the boomer generation will hold on to jobs longer than previous generations, and that means limited upward movement.

    You can always start your own business. Get a good idea and run with it. Sink or swim I hear its a ride.

    Parent

    what are you talking about? (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:18:51 PM EST
       1.I'm so sick of the talk that American labor force is not trained for "modern" jobs. Don't you remember when college students were urged (seems like about ten years ago) to train for those computer jobs...and so they did. And now many of those jobs are outsourced. Anecdote-tally, a buddy of mine trained for computer assisted machinist, but when done, the promised jobs weren't there.
      2. line employment: if you try that, regardless of the pay, you may not be hired, if the boss considers you to be overqualified. What the heck! What if you just want a paycheck? I guess they want a marriage.
      3. start your own business...no problem...better not be capital intensive, though. Problem arises when you have no clients cause they have no disposable income to spend at your biz

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    Yeah depends on what you want.. (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 12:03:22 PM EST
    You can always devote yourself to promoting rampant fraud by selling bundled bad loans, and then after you succeed in trashing the economy, trying to make social darwinist political hay out of it by blaming the whole mess on misguided social programs..

    You'd be a coldblooded, lying as*hole but, the Koch brothers of the world are always on the lookout for coldbloodeded, lying as*holes. Cuz they're in it for the long haul..

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    are you offering me job seeking advice? (none / 0) (#21)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:31:20 PM EST
    thanks,but no thanks.
     I was merely offering my pithy remarks about the state of the job-world

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    Just a winger who wants to (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:27:06 AM EST
    eliminate the minimum wage and doesn't think entry level jobs rate $5/hr let alone a living wage.

    Parent
    2014 (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 07:57:14 PM EST
    will be 50 years since he wrote it.

    The Penultimate Truth,
    By Philip K. Dick, 1964

    Plot Summary:

    What if you discovered that everything you knew about the world was a lie? That's the question at the heart of Philip K. Dick's futuristic novel about political oppression, the show business of politics and the sinister potential of the military industrial complex.

    This wry, paranoid thriller imagines a future in which the earth has been ravaged, and cities are burnt-out wastelands too dangerous for human life. Americans have been shipped underground, where they toil in crowded industrial ant hills and receive a steady diet of inspiring speeches from a President who never seems to age. Nick St. James, like the rest of the masses, believed in the words of his leaders. But that all changes when he travels to the surface-where what he finds is more shocking than anything he could possibly imagine.

    Full text PDF of the book here... (136 pages)

    Of course, back then they called it Science Fiction.... for some reason.


    my second labor day rant (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 08:36:53 PM EST
    The state of the World of Labor on Labor Day:

      1. Fast and Flawed Inspections of Factories Abroad (sickness, corruption, deceit unto death NYT link

       2. This film was shown again on PBS (POV) last night It's a must see.
           Maquilapolis: City of Factories    link

    Just over the border in Mexico is an area peppered with maquiladoras: massive factories owned by the world's largest multinational corporations. Carmen and Lourdes work at maquiladoras in Tijuana, where each day they confront labor violations, environmental devastation and urban chaos.


    Kids these days.... sheesh (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:55:25 PM EST
    kid:      Mom says you're spying on us.

    obama: I know. OMG, look! Over there! Chemical weapons!

    Diana Nyad (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:42:22 PM EST
    Will you still love me, when I'm 64?  Yes!

    Because (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:56:17 PM EST
    For my 64th birthday (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 09:15:34 AM EST
    in July, our 23-yr-old daughter made me a CD compilation of the original and twelve covers of that song, in a wide variety of styles.  Last track is Paul McCartney with Julian Lennon.  A delight.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 116 (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 10:45:10 AM EST
    And because it's Labor Day (none / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 02:48:18 PM EST
    Another plug for my friend's book (none / 0) (#17)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:28:06 PM EST
    JUSTICE by Carey Harrison. Buy it now. (link)

    Like I've said before, my old pal and mentor is a demonically talented writer and staggeringly sharp mind. He's always worth the read.

    Tom Tomorrow Today (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:05:41 PM EST
    obama: "It sends a message"

    the penguin: "So would a facebook post, with fewer casualties."

    Coup de grace (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 06:42:51 AM EST
    NYT
    "In an hourlong meeting at the White House, said Mr. McCain, Republican of Arizona, Mr. Obama gave general support to doing more for [al qaeda], although no specifics were agreed upon. Officials said that in the same conversation, which included Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican, Mr. Obama indicated that a covert effort by the United States to arm [al qaeda] was beginning to yield results: the first 50-man cell of [al qaeda] fighters, who have been trained by the C.I.A., was beginning to sneak into Syria."

    NYT

    Fear of Western airstrikes in the past week was a factor in an exodus that continued to gather momentum, inflicting acute social strain and political tension on receiving countries, António Guterres, the United Nations high commissioner for refugees, said in an interview in Geneva on Monday.

    It took two years of conflict in Syria for the refugee figure to reach one million, but only six more months to reach two million, Mr. Guterres noted. In addition, at least 4.5 million people have been driven from their homes inside Syria by the destruction and violence, meaning that close to one-third of the country's population has been displaced by the civil war, and about half the population [expects] humanitarian [Tomahawks rained down on them by obama] putting Syria's crisis at a level unseen in recent decades.



    Okay, so I lied... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 01:35:42 PM EST
    ...about it being the last plug for my chum's novel.

    LINK

    He's having a novel published every year for the next seven. He did a literary experiment a few years back, where he wrote as much as he could and pumped out seven novels -- IN ONE YEAR! And not hack bullsh*t either, genuine literary fiction of merit. Dude's an f'ing savant. Check him out.

    Who says we don't think big any more? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 04:09:13 PM EST
    The beautiful new eastern span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge was officially dedicated and opened to great fanfare yesterday, and by this morning, Bay Area commuters were still mired the same old traffic congestion.

    The new east span, which is now the longest self-anchored suspension bridge in the world, is the direct result of the massive damage caused to the old east span -- which is of a cantilever design, and not a suspension bridge -- by the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. A comprehensive statewide seismic study of all California bridges recommended that the entire eastern span of the Bay Bridge be replaced in its entirety. Construction on the new span began in 2002, and was finally completed last week. Next comes the demolition of the old east span.

    Aloha.

    Hillary supports strike (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 04:49:41 PM EST
    Putting it in the proper place wasn't enough? (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 05:41:10 PM EST
    Should have paid more (none / 0) (#37)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 07:19:28 PM EST
    attention to that...wasn't sure which was the open thread.

    Anything else to say about Hillary's endorsement?

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    You mean her aide's statement? (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:03:35 PM EST
    WhAT? (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:17:24 PM EST
    It is not her aides statement. Her aides do not make statements of their own to the press. Her aides relay Hillary's statements to the press.

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    Perhaps comment would have been (none / 0) (#41)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:47:48 PM EST
    a better word. She did not release an official statement/"endorsement" (that I know of), but I'm sure she's prob on board judging by the aide's comment.

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    An aide authorized to speak (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:37:34 PM EST
    on Hillary's behalf.   Hillary has committed herself.  To later say my aide did it, won't wash.

    Parent
    And I'm sure this sits quite well with you. (none / 0) (#42)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:48:50 PM EST
    After all, it supports Obama's position . . .

    Parent
    It does (none / 0) (#43)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 09:06:29 PM EST
    It also supports my position.

    I was in favor of the first gulf war, the bombing campaign in Kosovo, the initial invasion of Afghanistan, the surge in Afghanistan, and the response to Libya.....

    I would only like a do-over on the Afghanistan surge....

     

    Parent

    That road of death slaughter (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 10:07:36 PM EST
    in the first gulf war was appalling and inexcusable.

    The idea of that intervention was one thing and what actually occurred were two vastly things.

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    That's the nature of battle. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 02:49:35 AM EST
    "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it."
    -- Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee to his aide, upon witnessing the slaughter of Union troops assaulting Marye's Heights, Battle of Fredericksburg (December 13, 1862)

    It's a terribly messy business, and hardly ever turns out as we envisioned it initially.

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    It destroyed the souls of two (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 07:16:05 AM EST
    people in my family, therefore
    I'm going with obscene over messy.

    Parent
    From our "Urban Wilderness" file: (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 05:14:09 PM EST
    The greater Los Angeles metropolitan area -- with its population of some 15 million souls -- is surrounded on all sides by the Pacific Ocean and several formidable mountain ranges, which are further protected by a national park, two national recreation areas and four national forests. Thus, L.A. is formidably endowed with arguably some of the best prospects for serious wildlife viewing in a natural environment of any major urban area in North America.

    Last year, nature aficionado Robert Martinez posted five high-resolution and motion-sensitive video cameras along the Big Dalton Canyon trail above his hometown of Glendora in the San Gabriel Mountains, and even he was surprised by what he discovered to be passing by with some regularity.

    If you've got a few minutes, Martinez's recently posted videos on YouTube are definitely worth a look. Because we're not talking about footage of a handful of squirrels and some quail, but rather any number of black bears, mountain lions, mule deer, bobcats, ringtails, coyotes and grey foxes. It's some pretty fascinating stuff, especially when one considers the close proximity of Big Dalton Canyon to L.A.'s urban environments.

    Aloha.

    near my house a few days ago.

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    I wonder how they know she killed the deer? (none / 0) (#50)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 05:24:03 PM EST
    It could have been HBC. I have seen one too many of those on the freeways since I've been back :(

    I will say, if I happen to see a mountain lion, I would back away slowly. Not sure throwing something at it is something I would risk seeing as they are bigger than me :)

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    I read that they inspected the carcass (none / 0) (#51)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 05:50:50 PM EST
    and determined it was not HBC.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#52)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 06:20:23 PM EST
    The kitten pic of her is too cute. Now that's something I wouldn't mind seeing while hiking :D (yes, momma would prob be close by . . .)

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    Speaking of mommas, (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 11:02:10 AM EST
    our local rag said today that P-23's momma (P-19) showed up at the kill site too, I assume for a snack.

    Parent
    Wacko (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 05:26:35 PM EST
    Bill Whittle says that the GOP can't win elections because of the show Family Guy. You can't make this stuff up.

    What? (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 10:49:29 PM EST
    the liberal's animated stupid fat guy is more persuasive than the Right's stupid fat guy?

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 117 (none / 0) (#48)
    by Dadler on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 07:56:19 AM EST
    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 118 (none / 0) (#53)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 10:14:02 AM EST
    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 119 (none / 0) (#55)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:39:08 AM EST