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    Amnesty International Delegation Report (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 07:24:20 AM EST
    Amnesty International Delegation Releases Report on Human Rights Abuses in Ferguson, Missouri

    On August 18, around 10 pm, Amnesty International's report states [PDF] police "activated a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) that was mounted about 8-10 feet off the ground on top of an armored truck at the intersection of W. Florissant and Ferguson avenues." This was apparently a response to the throwing of a few bottles and a group of protesters that decided to stop moving and stand in front of a line of police.

    "The LRAD was pointed at a group of stationary protestors on the street approximately 15 feet away. Members of the media and observers were about the same distance from the device. Law enforcement gave no warning to protesters that an LRAD would be used."

    After providing earplugs to a member of Amnesty International, a St. Louis County police officer said, `This noise will make you sick.' Several members of the delegation reported feeling nauseous from the noise of the LRAD until it link



    Huh?? (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 10:13:44 AM EST
    This was apparently a response to the throwing of a few bottles

    Haven't been hit by a thrown bottle but somehow I think the thrower's act fails this test:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petitition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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    Well, if all members of the crowd were not (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 12:49:42 PM EST
    "peaceable" that would certainly justify the police in using a military weapon (the LRAD) that is capable of causing permanent injury to targets and bystanders alike.  I see your point. (When the LRAD was used in Pittburgh to disperse a peaceful protest of the G20 summit, the city wound up paying about $75,000 to a professor who was merely passing by and suffered permanent hearing loss.)

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    Subtle sarcasm, Peter (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 12:58:10 PM EST
    It's going to be lost on him.     ;-)

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    He'll find a way to justify what the police did. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Angel on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:07:28 PM EST
    Trust me.

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    The tried and true Nuremburg defense. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:47:48 PM EST
    Gunning down civilians is perfectly legal.  Policies were followed.  Pretexts were professional.

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    I invoke here (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 03:08:45 PM EST
    Godwin's Law, which is not intended as a compliment.

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    Frightening that zero criteria (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 01:00:39 PM EST
    Must be met and zero citizen involved oversight before United States police officers can use that despicable thing on its citizens.

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    I get your point (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:08:45 PM EST
    But I don't see a solution.

    Would you allow violent protests?

    If not, what would you use to disburse them?

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    I prefer nonviolent protest, because (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 10:22:34 PM EST
    history teaches it is most often the more effective tactic, more closely emulates and models the world we want to create, and will often result in less injury.  But yes, if I were police chief, or mayor (which I wouldn't be, but if ...) I would in fact allow some violent protest, if it came to that, although of course "violence" comes in degrees. Individuals who commit crimes can be arrested, if that can be done without provoking an increase in overall unrest.  Otherwise, it may often be in everyone's best interests to just let a lot of minor stuff go, with a goal of keeping the overall situation from escalating.
        The word you are looking for, btw, is "disperse," not "disburse."

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    Disperse, disburse.... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 06:19:10 AM EST
    ...either way it's lots of unplanned expense on the city budget.

    : - )

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    Looks like the tax payers want it (none / 0) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 08:30:10 AM EST
    Thanks for the spelling lesson (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 10:55:44 PM EST
    heaven knows I can use all the help I can get in that as well as proof reading. But I digress.

    Now, if we accept what the AI observer wrote:

    This was apparently a response to the throwing of a few bottles and a group of protesters that decided to stop moving and stand in front of a line of police.

    Is that minor stuff? What is a few?? And how many was in the group that stopped and stood in front of the police line?

    And how much violence would you allow? And how would you stop it once it started?

    And I don't think you can arrest some one after the violence has started without the violence increasing.

    You know, the amazing thing to me is that protesters today don't seem to understand that the civil rights movement was non violent and succeeded by showing the world what &*^&5 the racists were.

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    From the report: (5.00 / 4) (#65)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 11:46:33 PM EST
    "The police should not intervene aggressively simply in response to the actions of a small number of participants. Assemblies are always diverse gatherings, and participants do not lose their individual rights simply because a small number of people are behaving violently. The methods used by law enforcement in Ferguson to disperse crowds often employ the use of police in riot gear--equipped with helmets, vests and carrying shields and batons--and has led to the repeated use of "chemical irritants" (tear gas/pepper spray) and "kinetic impact projectiles" (rubber/plastic bullets) against demonstrators. Often it is unclear whether an order to disperse was given, whether that order was in fact lawful and whether that was made clear to the protesters before law enforcement forcibly ended the protests."

    And:

    "International law allows the restriction of the right to freedom of peaceful assembly only if it is carried out for a legitimate aim, such as the protection of public safety, order, health, morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others. Restrictions must be proportionate and necessary to meet that aim. However, the broad imposition of a curfew for the entire city of Ferguson and requirements for those protesters on W. Florissant Avenue to keep walking under threat of arrest impede protesters from enjoying their right to freely assemble."

    I would suggest you read the entire report - it's only 26 pages.

    In particular, I think it would be instructive for you to acquaint yourself with the rights of the people, and the responsibility law enforcement has to protect those rights - including the right to assemble.

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    I suggest two things (none / 0) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 08:29:34 AM EST
    1. International law does not trump US law.

    2. From the article:

    "International law allows the restriction of the right to freedom of peaceful assembly only if it is carried out for a legitimate aim,

    The assembly was not peaceful.

    And I think it would be instructive of you understand what something says before running off in all directions.

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    I suggest three things (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:00:26 AM EST
    1.  Even assuming it is true, the throwing of a few, plastic water bottles in the direction of police is not "violence".

    2.  Even assuming it is true, the throwing of a few, plastic water bottles does not justify the use of  military weapon that can cause permanent harm, particularly against a group who was simply refusing to move.

    3.  You should follow your own advice.

     And I think it would be instructive of you understand what something says before running off in all directions.


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    If you don't want to believe the AI (1.50 / 2) (#92)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 11:44:27 AM EST
    report that's your right.

    This was apparently a response to the throwing of a few bottles and a group of protesters that decided to stop moving and stand in front of a line of police.

    You don't know what type of bottles. And even if plastic you don't know how full and thus how heavy. A full water can do a great deal of harm. Heck, even a half full can.

    You don't know what the group that stopped and faced the police line would have done.

    Simply put, violence is violence. Violence begets violence. Violence empowers the police to respond.

    Is that what you want?? Perhaps it is. Perhaps what you really want is for something to happen so the police will act and you will have an excuse to attack the police.

    You seem to forget those harmed by the violence and how it reduces the support for change.

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    Sooooooo ridiculous (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:31:36 PM EST
    Actually, I do know what type of bottles were used:

    About 10 p.m., someone threw plastic water bottles, and the crowd protesting the Aug. 9 shooting surged, confronting nervous police in riot gear. Suddenly, the National Guard mobilized, after keeping a low profile throughout the day.

    Link 1

    Police equipped with assault rifles and wearing military helmets and fatigues were escorted by a green armored personnel carrier and a helicopter that hovered overhead. On at least one occasion they charged the crowd, pointing their weapons at the chests of reporters and protesters, after a few plastic water bottles were launched in their direction.

    Link 2

    Simply put, violence is violence. Violence begets violence. Violence empowers the police to respond.

    No, Jim.  When it comes to the type of force with which the military, police or civilians should respond, violence is not violence.  The response must be proportionate to the "violence", and while a plastic water bottle may cause some in naval aviation to tremble in fear of such a grave threat, it is not a threat to police in riot gear.  A plastic water bottle thrown in the direction of police does not warrant the use of military weapons that can cause permanent damage to bystanders.  Well, ... maybe it does in the mind of someone who thinks the military is entitle to kill anyone simply for living near weapons, but then again ... who cares about the ignorant opinions of such extremists.

    Is that what you want?? Perhaps it is. Perhaps what you really want is for something to happen so the police will act and you will have an excuse to attack the police.

    Jim, you have enough trouble formulating your own thoughts in a semi-coherent manner ... don't try imagining the thoughts of others.

    But I guess when you can't address facts, you resort to just making $hit up, as usual.

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    The problem is that (1.00 / 1) (#118)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 10:54:52 AM EST
    you don't know what was in the plastic water bottles. As I noted, even a half full bottle can cause real damage.

    And throwing things, anything, is violence. And once it starts, where will it end??

    As for your thoughts, heaven forbid I get inside your mind. I shiver and cringe at the mere thought of it.

    One more time.

    If the demonstrators do not become violent then the police should not.

    Throwing things is violence.

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    Don't be scared, Jim (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 05:27:40 PM EST
    I promise to protect you from the plastic water bottles.  Would you prefer riot gear like that worn by the police or just an umbrella/parasol?

    BTW - Gotta remember to tell the grandkid to stop with all that football "violence".  Apparently, throwing something is "violence" that justifies any kind of police response.

    Heh, heh, heh ...

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    A plastic water bottle might (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 07:35:31 AM EST
    Break on a policeman's riot helmet and get his face wet.

    We can't have that, can we?

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    I thought you were (1.00 / 1) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 11:02:53 AM EST
    not going to reply to my comments. Just can't stand it, eh??

    Your comments about the water bottle are callous and uninformed. A full 24 ounce bottle weights about 1 pound 6 ounces. Thrown at a speed of 30 miles an hour an impact on the helmet has the capability to cause a serious concussion or even death.

    A hit on the nose and death by bones driven into the brain is very possible. Back of the neck, death by broken neck or paralysis.

    As I wrote, violence is violence. If the police start it I condemn them. But if the demonstrators start it they become rioters.

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    BAHAHAHAHAhahahaha (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 11:06:45 AM EST
    oh man
    I don't respond to your dumb comments either but sometimes.....

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    I see that your education in (1.00 / 1) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 11:58:40 AM EST
    science was limited.

    Unfortunately, basic laws cannot be changed or ignored.

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    Ohhhhh! Ohhhhhh! (none / 0) (#150)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 07:56:57 PM EST
    Since you're just making $hit up and claiming it's "science", don't forget ... total implosion of the universe!!!

    Hahahahahahahahahaha
    ...

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    Glad to know that Jim (none / 0) (#151)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 10:48:40 PM EST
    was in Ferguson and was able to measure the size of the water bottles thrown at the cops............

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    to thrown water bottles, which is something I have experience with.

    fwiw, a couple years ago on my son's track team, one kid tossed a water bottle to another kid and it hit the kid in the mouth.

    The kid's lower front teeth cut right through his lower lip, blood was everywhere, he got stitches on both the inside and outside of his mouth, and his parents wanted to sue the other kid's parents.

    Joke around about it in an argument on the interwebs if you like, but be aware of real-life injuries, especially if you have kids.

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    The cops wear helmets and clear (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 01:06:31 PM EST
    face guards, unlike in your example.

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    regarding this. That was fun.

    I think you are right in that the cops in riot gear with their face guards down would have been relatively safe.

    fwiw, in Yman's LATimes link in his comment #100 there is a video in which it is reported that glass bottles were thrown.

    I'm making no judgments as to whether it was acceptable to deploy the sound machine, if that is the core of this discussion, I'm just adding some facts to it.

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    "...would have been relatively safe." (none / 0) (#165)
    by unitron on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 12:54:14 PM EST
    Even from concussion?

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    "Reported" - heh (none / 0) (#171)
    by Yman on Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 08:11:33 AM EST
    An anonymous video is not "reporting" - it's just someone posting an anonymous video.

    And those aren't "facts".

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    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by Yman on Sat Nov 01, 2014 at 08:15:19 AM EST
    Good thing the other parents didn't have military weapons.

    But yes - your point is correct.  If you hit someone in the mouth (well- someone not wearing riot gear) with anything heavier than a feather, they could get hurt.

    But that, of course, was not the point.

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    I know you don't understand sports, Yman (none / 0) (#121)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 08:48:41 PM EST
    But sports are games played under strict rules viewed by officials charged with insuring uncontrolled activities do not happen.

    So your analogy is undoubtedly the worst one I have ever read.

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    C'mon, Jim (none / 0) (#123)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 08:54:12 PM EST
    Those games can be incredibly dangerous!

    One time, I heard someone even threw a plastic, water bottle.  Some guys who were in naval aviation were cowering under the bleachers all night ... :)

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    Again the personal insult (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 11:06:01 PM EST
    comes from you.

    I repeat.

    Violence is violence.

    You can deny all you want but that is a fact.

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    Don't like insults? (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 06:26:34 AM EST
    I know you don't understand sports, Yman

    Maybe you shouldn't make them, then.

    Hide from the water bottles.  Sooooooo "violent"!

    Heh, heh, heh ...

    And no, Jim.  The "violence" of someone throwing a plastic water bottle in the direction of police does not justify their use of military weapons.  OTOH - not a surprising position for someone who thinks all men, women and children should be killed for living near weapons.

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    Did you hurt widdle Jim's fee-fees again? (none / 0) (#127)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 07:32:06 AM EST
    Funny how he can't stand the heat when it comes his way.

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    Personal insults (1.00 / 1) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 10:44:13 AM EST
    don't bother me. Jeralyn doesn't want them. Because of that I try to follow her rules.

    As we both know I banned you from my blog because of your actions. Since then you have stalked me. For over a year I ignored your nasty rants and attacks.

    So please keep showing the thousands who read TL who you are.

    A perfect example.

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    Quit whining if you can deal it out but (none / 0) (#140)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 12:53:23 PM EST
    can't take it.  

    If you're so worried about breaking Jeralyns' rules here, I'll remember that the next time you go off-topic in a thread and report your violation to her instead of responding to you.

    Is that a satisfactory proposal?


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    It's like a notoriously (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 12:59:02 PM EST
    misbehaving brat saying loudly, so mommy can hear, "don't misbehave!"

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    Amnesty International writes its reports (5.00 / 4) (#99)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:09:02 PM EST
    in terms of universal principles of international human rights law.  The United States claims to subscribe to those principles; in fact, U.S. law is in many respects the inspiration for those principles, and certainly arises out of the same philosophical and juridical foundations. In any event, the stated principle is in no way different from U.S. constitutional law under the speech and assembly clauses of the First Amendment. So the claim that "international law does not trump U.S. law," while true in some contexts, in no way refutes the power and insight of the AI report in this instance.

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    You mean (none / 0) (#116)
    by Palli on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 07:30:29 AM EST
    the cops were not peaceful.

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    Here's an article about FPD General Orders (none / 0) (#40)
    by Palli on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 04:45:37 PM EST
    Quotes from Ferguson Police Department Code of Conduct General Order April 25, 2011
    https://news.vice.com/article/heres-a-first-look-at-the-ferguson-police-departments-internal-code-of -conduct

    Police officers "will not use their position of authority to abuse any citizen," and officers will treat people with whom they interact "equally and in a courteous manner."

    "A police officer must weigh the necessity of apprehension against the apparent threat to the safety of all involved, and exhaust every alternative means of apprehension known to be available at the time before resorting to the use of lethal force,"

    "...the use of lethal force is permitted against a fleeing suspect only if there is a "substantial risk" that the person will cause "death or serious physical injury if apprehension is delayed."

    "The watch commander shall respond to the scene and be responsible for the command and protection of the scene until the arrival of the Bureau of Investigations investigator(s). He shall assist, as necessary, in the investigation of the incident and arrange to have a police officer, not involved, prepare the original report.

    The watch commander will complete the Use of Force Report F-080 and forward it through the chain of command to the Chief."

    The entire order document is found at the citation above.

    HELP Every time I use the instructions to make a citation, I get this message:
    Preview Comment
    Your HTML has the following error :
    Attribute HREF="" for tag A is not allowed
    and the post fails

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    Here you go (none / 0) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 05:20:10 PM EST
    (none / 0) (#34)
    by waldenpond
    How to link:
    1.    Type a word 'link' (or any word/s)

    2.    Copy the url address that is at the very top of the screen.  (I have the article I am going to link to open on my tabbed browsing.)   

    3.    Highlight the word 'link'

    4.    Click chain link button above the comment box.

    You need to copy this somewhere just in case it gets deleted along with your comment.

    5.    Paste in the url. (the letters http are already in the box so make sure you override them)

    6.    Press preview to make sure you see your word/s in blue

    7.    Press post Or you can try tiny url

    by Rhouse on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 10:03:52 PM CST
    go HERE and read the instructions.  I use it to send links through the mail and at TL when I forget what to do for embedding links.


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    The link to the article about FPD police (none / 0) (#47)
    by Palli on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:05:41 PM EST
    link

    Thank you, MOblue and waldenpond.

    This seems to be correct on the preview. I think my problem was because I cut the https:/ before I enter the url. When you say overide I now just place the cursor  in front and the https:/ changes to black type but does not appear twice.

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    When you "cut" something... (none / 0) (#70)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 05:59:02 AM EST
    ...in the "cut and paste" sense, it removes it from its current location, just as "delete" does, but it also puts it into (onto) the "clipboard", just as copy does.

    So if you copy the Uniform Resource Locator (URL) which you wish to embed in a "link" in your comment, it's in/on the clipboard, but when you highlight the word or words to which you wish to attach that URL, and click the "chain" icon, and then "cut" the stuff that comes up in the Enter URL box, you wind up overwriting the URL you previously copied with the contents of the Enter URL box which you thought you were removing.

    When you click the chain icon and the Enter URL box comes up and the stuff in there is "highlighted" (is white letters on blue background), that stuff is vulnerable to what you do next.  

    If you press the "delete" key on your keyboard, it disappears, and is not saved anywhere and does not overwrite anything.

    You can then paste into that Enter URL box.

    Or, when the box comes up and the stuff in it is highlighted, if you're familiar with how to mouse, right click, and paste (or how to paste with CTRL+V), you can just paste and the stuff in there will be overwritten.

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    I guess (none / 0) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:29:27 PM EST
    Keene, New Hampshire either didn't have a Long Range Acoustic Device and tanks or didn't think they should be used even though the students threw a lot more than a few bottles and did considerable property damage.
     

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    NO preemptive military apparatus here either (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Palli on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:44:51 PM EST
    by Associated Press
    KMOV.com
    Posted on October 25, 2014 at 3:57 PM
    Updated today at 6:27 PM

    ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Armed demonstrators have taken to the streets in St. Louis to assert their right to openly carry firearms.
    The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that about 40 people participated in Saturday's demonstration. They carried pistols in holsters and had long guns slung from their shoulders as they walked from a park to the Gateway Arch. Counter-protesters met them along the way. [The protestors adopted the Ferguson gesture "Hands up no shoot" as they silently stood.]
    The demonstration comes after voters in August passed a state constitutional amendment strengthening the right to own firearms. The Missouri legislature passed a separate law that effectively removes municipal bans on openly carrying weapons.
    The combination appears to make it legal for anyone with a concealed weapons permit to carry a weapon openly as well.
    Mayor Francis Slay called the armed stroll a "scene out of a bad western."
    link

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    Property is easily replaced. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:49:09 PM EST
    Lives not so easily.

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    Not sure I understand your comment (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 03:05:17 PM EST
    and I am pretty sure that you didn't understand mine. If you are not aware of the Pumpkin Fest riots in Keene, NH
    you might want to follow my link and compare what happened in Keene to what happened in Ferguson and the difference in how it was handled by police and how it was reported by the media.


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    Throwing a few bottles and forming a line (none / 0) (#37)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 03:23:00 PM EST
    Doesn't require a disproportionate response.  Laws against littering don't allow the cops to tackle one and put one in handcuffs for throwing a used Kleenex into the street, for example.

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    I guess I should have (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 04:37:11 PM EST
    used multiple snarks symbols and labeled both comments heavy sarcasm intended. Maybe I also needed to put multiple quotes in the comments rather than relying on people to read the link I provided and do a comparison between events in Ferguson and to those in Keene as I suggested.

    Here we go once again - Keene, NH:

    At one point in the evening, over 4,000 people, mostly white male college students, were gathered in the community of 23,000. The students were causing chaos throughout the evening, as liquor bottles were thrown, stores were broken into and cars were tipped over. Bonfires were set throughout the town's streets. Light posts and signs were torn out of the ground. Town residents reported that most in the crowd were loud, obnoxious and drunk. At least 20 people were taken to area hospitals for various injuries, mostly from thrown bottles. This is also not a new thing for Keene. Last year, 140 arrests were made at the pumpkin fest.
    Eventually, after copious amounts of property damage had been done by the out-of-control students, riot police were called into the scene to disperse the crowd. People in the crowd apparently started throwing beer bottles at the police and shouted obscenities. Tear gas was shot into the crowd and pepper spray was used on individuals who allegedly confronted police in a physical manner. One 18-year-old student told the local paper Saturday night that it was a "blast to do things you aren't supposed to be doing." He also suggested that the students were revolting from the cops.

    Much like with riots in the aftermath of sporting events, this is going to be seen as kids just blowing off steam, having a little too much fun and just taking things a bit too far. Now, compare this to the coverage that we've seen by the mainstream media in regards to protests in Ferguson.

    Let me highlight this part one more time. Even though "copious amounts of property damage had been done by the out-of-control students" and "people in the crowd apparently started throwing beer bottles at the police" no tanks rolled on the streets of Keene with police aiming there rifles at the rioters and no Long Range Acoustic Device was used against the students. There was no non stop coverage by the media of how out of control, how vicious, how deplorable the actions done "just for fun" by these students.

    Hopefully it is now clear that I agree with the Amnesty International  Delegation Report which is why I posted it to this Open Thread.

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    Everyone likes wedding pictures right? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 08:32:25 AM EST
    this one is sort of special

    I would ask that you not share it further.  The last thing I would want would be to invade their privacy and it was sent to me as a friend.  But it's just so great I wanted to share it and I'm sure no one here will know this family.
    A bit of background the guy is a friend I made through work.  Brilliant at what he does which is what I used to do.  The kids are his from a previous marriage.  His first wife passed a few years ago and although I never asked I'm pretty sure it was as a result of complications arising from the birth of their second, the boy in the picture.  
    After that and raising the kids by himself no one deserves a happy ending more than this guy   And boy did he get one,  look at her!  See is gorgeous.  And I'm told she is just beautiful on the inside.


    One more (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 08:37:13 AM EST
    Lovely. And the children look adorable. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Angel on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:36:55 AM EST
    I love the matching hat (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:41:16 AM EST
    on the little boy.  Adam is famous for that hat.

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    I thought the matching hats (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:53:10 AM EST
    was a great touch as well. Good looking family. Sending wishes for a happy life together.  

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    They all found each other (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:37:49 AM EST
    How sweet

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    So pretty, and adorable children. Glad (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 11:46:39 AM EST
    your friend was able to make a good life for them. It must have been so hard to lose his wife that way with such young children.

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    Why does that man... (none / 0) (#71)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 06:06:13 AM EST
    ...look so familiar?

    I'm sure it's no one I've ever encountered personally, but my instant response on seeing that picture was that I've seen pictures of him before.

    I'm almost tempted to conclude that the picture is actually from some television show I don't watch.

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    It possible you have seen him (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 08:47:03 AM EST
    he has been on a few of those "making of" shows about effects movies.   He has been an effects artist and supervisor for many years.  
    But no tv show.

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    I had the same reaction (none / 0) (#78)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:04:29 AM EST
    I think he bears a very slight resemblance to an actor who did a commercial that I once saw. I watch very little TV so I don't remember anything else about the commercial.

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    He does a pretty good impression of Danny DeVito (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:14:12 AM EST
    Put that hat on DeVito and that might work (none / 0) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:27:49 AM EST
    As I said, there was just this vague impression that he looked familiar. The commercial bit is also vague but that is all that comes to mind.


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    I doubt you would have seen these but (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:43:44 AM EST
    he is also a musician and has a band.  I suppose there is nothing wrong with sharing this its on YouTube.   He's the short guy on guitar in the foreground

    LINK

    Unfortunately he shares a name with a pretty famous guitarist musician so don't be confused.  The are physically quite different.

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    Definitely haven't seen that (none / 0) (#82)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:55:45 AM EST
    A multi-talented guy. Looks like he has a lot going for him including a beautiful new bride and two great looking children.

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    October in Paris. (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 11:07:26 AM EST
    The Picasso Museum re-opened today, on Pablo Picasso's birthday (October 25, 1881.)  The five-year renovation and expansion of the 17th Century mansion in Marais that houses the collection was marked by turbulence including cost over-runs and the firing of the director as well as the minister for culture.

    Also, the Foundation Vuitton, in the Bois de Boulogne, opens October 27.  This a private art museum of Bernard Arnault, the head of the luxury goods conglomerate and France's richest man.  

    The museum, designed by Frank Gehry, is spectacular (I only saw the exterior and a few "construction peaks" of the interior, but it was enough to register my vote).  The museum is on public park grounds and will be turned over to the city in about 50 years.  Meanwhile, it is under private control but open to the public.

    Wish I was in Paris! (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 03:41:32 PM EST
    THE WAR IS OVER. On Saturday, 25 October, the 133rd anniversary of Pablo Picasso's birth, the museum named after him is due to reopen in Paris. It has been closed for the past five years undergoing a major and controversial renovation. This long-awaited event follows a series of frustrating delays and contested construction work that finally pushed President François Hollande to sack Anne Baldassari, the museum's head for the past decade. In June, Laurent Le Bon, 45, was given an emergency mission to reopen the Musée Picasso

    link

    Longer article- some backstory.

    Also showing in Paris, Paul McCarthy.

    Vandals cut the cables of the 25-metre (80ft) inflated sculpture in the Place Vendôme last weekend, amid protests from conservative groups. One passer-by was so incensed by the INSTALLATION, near the Ritz hotel, that he slapped the artist.

    link.

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    Oh no... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by desertswine on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 12:20:50 PM EST
    How sad (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 01:02:26 PM EST
    I feel like I'm sitting alone in a white room with black curtains.

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    msybe it's brcause I'm on my phone (none / 0) (#23)
    by Reconstructionist on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 01:18:52 PM EST
    But that link takes me to a huffpo page eith nothing but pic of Brice and tathrr tackily, an ad saying RIP with a life insurane policy.

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    Link works fine for me (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 01:20:50 PM EST
    Anyone who uses a mobile device should know (none / 0) (#27)
    by Angel on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:06:19 PM EST
    that you don't always get the full website on them.  

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    Correction made: (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:39:00 PM EST
    Dr.Craig Spencer, the Ebola patient at Bellevue Hospital, reported himself as having a 100.3 temperature on Thursday, not 103.0 degrees as widely (and incorrectly) reported.  The CDC has recently lowered the threshold for suspecting a case of Ebola  from 101.5 to 100.4.

    A voice of sanity! (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 02:43:35 PM EST
    Thanks, KeysDan.

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    I thought I heard a news report (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by NYShooter on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:40:33 PM EST
    while driving this morning that Dr. Spencer had, "taken a turn for the worse."

    I hope not; anyone else here this?

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    Yes, in that Dr. Spencer has entered (none / 0) (#111)
    by caseyOR on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 04:43:24 PM EST
    the phase that involves intense intestinal distress. It sounded to me like this is part of the natural progression of ebola.

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    My understanding as well. (none / 0) (#113)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 05:12:15 PM EST
    The report I read is now about 24 hours old,  He is surely a pretty sick man during this phase of the disease.  He is receiving plasma transfusions from an Aid worker who contracted the disease in Africa and survived.  Also, he is being treated with the anti-viral, Brincidofovir, the experimental drug used in the successful treatment of the NBC cameraman at the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

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    Let's please send our love and aloha to ... (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 05:31:30 AM EST
    ... longtime blogger Kevin Drum of Mother Jones, who disclosed Friday that he's been diagnosed with multiple myeloma, a cancer of the blood plasma cells, after having been initially hospitalized for what was thought to be a broken vertebra.

    My thoughts and prayers are with him and wife Marian at this time.

    Thanks for sharing this. (none / 0) (#85)
    by Angel on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 10:31:50 AM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 11:41:47 AM EST
    for letting us know. I remember Kevin from eons ago when he used to IIRC do Calpundit.

    I am sorry to hear that he has this but glad to know that procedures have improved greatly over the years. My husband's aunt died of this horrible disease back in 1992. She fought it for six to seven years even going through experimental treatment at Duke. She did well until she had a stroke and then that was pretty much the very sad end.

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    My paternal grandmother also died of ... (none / 0) (#107)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 02:07:29 PM EST
    ... multiple myeloma back in 1986. Similarly, it had first manifested itself a number of years earlier as a severe and recurring pain in the lower back region, and it led to her long and inevitable decline over the course of six-plus years.

    It was a very difficult and painful process to endure not only for my grandmother physically and mentally, but also emotionally and spiritually for my grandfather and everyone immediately around her. In the end, her death actually came as both blessing and relief.

    I'm so glad that for the sake of Kevin and others afflicted with this illness, the prospects for its treatment have greatly improved in the nearly three decades since, and the overall outlook for patients is much better than what it once was.

    Aloha.

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    News (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 29, 2014 at 08:03:46 PM EST
    here in GA link. Even the Republicans are running from Perdue. Too bad they didn't think about all this before they nominated him but then again, they had a pretty awful slate of candidates.

    Also something to think about regarding polls:

    Why you shouldn't trust polls in these five states

    Of course (none / 0) (#160)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 10:20:26 AM EST
    Why the polls are better than ever at predicting Senate races

    Proving that, trying to compare 1998 to today is like comparing apples to ducks.

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    Well (none / 0) (#167)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 01:11:25 PM EST
    the article is not even talking about 1998. It's talking about how wrong the polls were in CO back in 2010.

    So don't be disappointed if the polls are wrong in yet another midterm election. The GOP brand is trashed and polling lower than even Obama. Remember Harry Reid was supposed to lose too. Right? All the polls said so. Right?

    What is gonna happen is gonna happen but the beltway is very invested in the GOP taking the senate. Of course, that's been their conventional wisdom for quite a few years. Maybe onetime they will get it right.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#168)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 01:40:34 PM EST
    It's talking about how polls more recently and including this year, are much better than they have been in the past because the methods are more sophisticated and there are more of them than in years past.  That would include 1998.

    If the polls are wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more Republican tilted than what they are saying.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#170)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 02:22:25 PM EST
    the data says that if they are wrong, it's probably going to be to the GOP's detriment due to the fact that GOP voters tend to be older and more likely to be included in polling.

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    The legendary "Beltway" (none / 0) (#169)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 01:57:23 PM EST
    is nothing without it's corporate advertisers and the corporation's first priority is always deregulation. I'm continually dumbfounded anyone listens to those as*holes about anything

    "The liberal media".

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    The Donkey in the room that (none / 0) (#4)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 08:49:38 AM EST
    no one wants to talk about:

    Jeff Roorda -- Democrat Representative and Democrat Candidate for Missouri Senate and Democrat Police Union Boss and Democrat Fundraiser for Darren Wilson

    The irony in this whole thing is that both sides that face off in the streets of Ferguson -- the public union police and the black community protesters -- are both strong Missouri Democrat Party constituencies.

    It helps to explain why the Democrat Governor of Missouri Jay Nixon and nearly every other Democrat  is trying to distance themselves from the shooting of Mike Brown and the November 4 election results may very well determine the direction of the case.

    IMO the only impact the November (none / 0) (#6)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:36:29 AM EST
    election will have on the case is that the GJ's verdict will be announced.

    McCulloch is running unopposed so there will be no impact on his political career.

    Somewhat less certain is how this case will effect Steve Stenger's election for County Executive. The current wisdom is that he will win regardless of any action or increased apathy on the part of the AA community. This is based on the overwhelming number of votes he received in the primary election. I am slightly less certain that the  primary numbers are an accurate indicator for what will occur in the general. Every Republican I know, voted for Stenger (D) in the primary. They referenced the fact that in the last election the Republican was winning the race until they counted the votes in the minority districts. As far as they were concerned, if Dooley won the primary, the minority votes would once again win him the election. Questions to be determined are IMO are the Republicans going to vote for Stenger in the General and how will this case effect the turnout and voting patterns of AA voters.

    What is also uncertain is what impact will this case have on the future of the Democratic Party in MO. The party needs to increase voting in the minority communities. Increasing voter apathy or changing the voting patterns of their demographic groups could definitely hurt the party.

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    More on cross over vote (none / 0) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:51:09 AM EST
    Stream said his campaign poll workers on Tuesday encountered countless Republicans who indicated they would ask election workers for a Democratic ballot.

    "I was afraid they were leaving me, I was trying to head it off," Stream recalled.

    He was heartened, Stream added, to learn that the majority of the crossover voters later reassured his poll workers that Stream "has my vote in November, but we have to get rid of Charlie now."
    ...
    It's difficult to tell how many county voters might have crossed over in Tuesday's primary. But four years ago the county primary also featured contested races in both parties for county executive nominee. That year saw much heavier voting in the Republican primary, where lawyer Bill Corrigan faced retiree Nick Ferace. Fifty-three percent of county voters cast Republican ballots in August 2010, compared with 28 percent this week. link



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    MOblue, thanks (none / 0) (#15)
    by Palli on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 10:25:40 AM EST
    The Fannie Lou Hamer Coalition is endorsing Steamer ,the Republican who is African American.  Are Republicans votes for euro American Democrat Stenger about race?  
    The Coalition is also suggesting people write in the name MICHAEL BROWN to show opposition to Bob McCullouh for County Pros, Atty.  Do you think there will be an accounting of write-in votes?  (Rules at BOEs are often different.)
    Has there be any response from elected officials after the AmnestyUSA Report?  Any sense of shame?
    Every one knew Amnesty was there and when they left Aug 18. They just kept on behaving as blue shirted thugs. It took until Oct.3 before FPD ceded protest management to St Louis Co.Police.
    Sen. McCasskill after her first concern has been avoiding the issues trying to hang on to white Democrats, I suppose.  Of course, I don't know if she has been working the inside, if so, unsuccessfully.  The fundraiser for regional Democrats on FergusonMoralMonday was bad optics for her-protestor hog tied and carried into vans by cops! Roordas make party loyalty a offense against conscience.  
    What do you hear about the financial picture in St Louis county and municipalities?

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    Leaks (none / 0) (#25)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 01:35:29 PM EST
    News in St Louis today is reporting that legal experts contacted by them are saying that rumors [leaks] are one thing but the leaked autopsy report is another thing all together and should be vigorously investigated and prosecuted by the Prosecuting Attorney.

    The Medical Examiner's Office has denied releasing it to the Post Dispatch or anyone else -- so how did a reporter at the paper get it.

    Reporters have been trying to ask the Prosecuting Attorney about it and what McCulloch is doing about it but all they have gotten is silence and unanswered phone calls.

    I think the PA and the PD both know that they are in trouble here.

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    From Reuters.... (none / 0) (#119)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 12:40:28 PM EST
    - U.S. Justice Department officials on Thursday criticized local authorities' investigation of the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, saying the case had been handled in a "selective" and "inappropriate" manner.

    "The department considers the selective release of information in this investigation to be irresponsible and highly troubling," Justice Department spokeswoman Dena Iverson said.
    "Since the release of the convenience store footage there seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case," Iverson added,

    In a meeting with Justice Department lawyers on Wednesday, Holder said he was "exasperated" by the "selective flow of information coming out of Missouri" and called the leaks "inappropriate and troubling," the official said.


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    A lot of questions in your comment (none / 0) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 01:51:38 PM EST
    I'll try and answer the questions that I can answer without doing any research.

    Michael Brown's mother has requested that people NOT write in his name for County Executive and I hope people honor her wishes.

    The Republican votes for Stenger in the primary were to defeat Dooley who they felt would be unbeatable in the General Election. Was there a racial component to this? Yes, IMO that definitely played a part. CW - Dooley as an African American would garner more votes from the AA community than Stenger especially after the nasty primary fight. Then again there are Republicans who don't want "those" people to hold higher office. Except for a select few, the majority of "those" people are thugs.

    You don't want to get me started on McCaskill who ranks as one of my least favorite Dems. She will stay out of it as much as possible. Her primary principled stand is to keep her job.

    Lacy Clay, the Democratic Representative in North County has come out in favor of Stenger after losing his push to get McCulloch replaced.

    St Louis county and municipalities is made up of various very diverse areas so the financial picture is a mixed bag. Unable to give you an accurate picture without spending time (maybe a lot of time) to research.

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    Thanks ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Palli on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:28:29 PM EST
    I'm sure her wishes will be respected . It also explains why I have seen nothing about it on the Tweets and emails I read. The idea, I saw in an article a couple of weeks ago, was refuted early. I am happy to be corrected.

    Don't do research- that stuff will emerge; I'm just curious sitting here states away recovering from a hip transplant-Dr. said we could not go. Sorry to ask.

    Any fear about losing Clay? Does Roorda have a lock on his SSen. run?
    I feel validated as to McCaskill and relieved to know I can vote for Sherrod Brown.
    Thanks again

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    I'll trade you 2 McCaskill's (none / 0) (#51)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:46:29 PM EST
    for one Sherrod Brown.

    Lacy Clay is pretty much a lock in his district. I would be surprised if anything other than a major scandal would lose him his seat. And I'm not sure that he would lose it even then.

    I haven't followed Roorda's race and can't answer your question.I have read some of Roorda's history and I wouldn't vote for him but people in his district probably will. He has indicated that people in his district support his actions which i tend to believe.

    Hope your hip is better soon.


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    Wow (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:02:20 AM EST
    Arkansas Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor argued that the federal government's desegregation of Arkansas's largest public school in 1957 was an "unwilling invasion" that took "a local problem out of the local authorities' hands" and led to deep suspicions of democracy in the state, according to a copy of his college thesis obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

    Written in 1985, the 30-page paper--which also suggested that the state's Democratic Party was hindering economic progress, and attributed policies such as welfare and the Equal Rights Amendment to "wild-eyed liberals"--could add to Pryor's difficulties as he fights to protect his seat from Republican challenger Rep. Tom Cotton.

    College writings have become a campaign issue in the Arkansas Senate race, with the Pryor campaign and national Democrats attacking Cotton for his student newspaper columns and senior thesis.

    In the essay, Pryor argued that the Democratic Party's dominance in the state stemmed from public's need for protection against external threats, comparing this to the Russian people backing Tsarist and Communist governments.

    "Arkansas has been invaded unwillingly twice. Once in reality and once figuratively," wrote Pryor.

    "The Civil War provided the real invasion. The figurative invasion took place in 1957 at Little Rock Central High School. That event took a local problem out of the local authorities' hands. The federal government had again forced its will on the people of Arkansas."

    The cynical side of me wonders if the Pryor campaign might not be responsible for this story.   Sadly I can see it helping him with some Dixiecrats.  Yes, we still have those.

    Here's a link to your (none / 0) (#9)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:37:57 AM EST
    story.

    On Fox, no less.  Man, they must be seriously conflicted.  Attacking Pryor for peddling Republican values.

    There were other links but Fox has the highest cognitive dissonance quotient.

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    I'm tellin ya (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:46:29 AM EST
    Pryor is a very shrewd pol.  You don't survive "blue" in a state as red as this without that.
    Fox is exactly the place he would want this.  These are the people who may very well see this and think "Hmmmm"

    Bottom line.  IMO no democrat is going to see this and say wow, I voting for Tom Cotton.  OTOH I can see people doing the reverse.

    The invasion and humiliation of Little Rock are very much a part of living memory here for some.

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    A few thoughts here: (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:38:17 PM EST
    What someone once wrote when he / she was 21 or 22 years old, and what he / she thinks and believes today at ages 51 or 52, can often be as different as night and day. It's amazing what three decades' worth of life's experiences can do to alter or temper one's political views and leanings.

    Personally, I think that political pundits who would find such outdated revelations as somehow still relevant are incredibly silly and superficial persons who really aren't worth our time.

    For the record, back in 1984 when I was 23, I believed in and voted for Ronald Reagan. And I'll lay better than even odds that 30 years from now, that particular vote will still stand as the absolute worst and most clueless ballot I ever cast in my entire life.

    Anybody else here want to 'fess up about what they thought, said and did politically several decades ago, when they were in their early 20s and perhaps still in college? And do we really want to pass judgment upon our candidates, using such often-obsolete information as our primary criteria for voting either for or against them?

    Aloha.

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    I passed no judgement (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:57:31 PM EST
    about anything that happened in 1985.  My point was it is not impossible that this story was planted by the Pryor campaign because he believes it will get him votes.

    And everything you said supports my other point that no democrat is going to hold this against Pryor.  It would be nuts.  
    It will not cost him votes.  It could very well get him votes.

    I am also not saying this is what happened.  I'm saying it's not impossible.

    Recently I was talking to my brother in law about the US military helping someone someplace.  I can't remember who.  For the record, my brother in law is a yellow dog democrat.  As long as the democrat is white.  He is absolutely typical of a large number of Dixiecrat democrats in this part of the country.
    He is in fact a retired elected democrat and still an activist.  Back in the days when the Clintons where running for governor 5 times they stayed in my sisters house.  Several times.  They often did that.  Stay with local activists.  
    Anyway, back to the story, he said "why should we help them?  They didn't help us."
    I say "us?"
    "The south" he says.
    After I close my mouth I say "You mean the south in the Civil War???"
    "Yeah!  They didn't help us blah blah blah..."

    The point of this story is that race is a complicated issue here.  And as I said, what happened in Little Rock might as well have happened yesterday as far as many are concerned.

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    One other thought (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 07:11:21 PM EST
    the people most enraged by the memory of Little Rock are white people over 65.  Like my brother in law.  Who also just happen to be the people most likely to vote against Pryor.

    I absolutely believe this story will get Pryor some of those votes.   If he planted it or not.


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    Let me just say (none / 0) (#56)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 07:32:14 PM EST
    that I would not be at all surprised, Howdy.
    There remain a number of people in the South (and fellow-travelers in the North) who are still nostalgically fighting the Civil War.

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    In the last couple of years (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 08:50:10 PM EST
    i have been amazed to find that to be true.  

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    Well, Donald (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 06:59:50 PM EST
    I must admit that in my 20's, I was active in the anti-Vietnam War movement, the Feminist movement, and Civil Rights.
    Yes, I was a wild-eyed lefty.
    And I still am.  I do not regret any of my stances from "back in the day."    ;-)

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    I became a "lefty" thanks to ... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 12:37:24 AM EST
    ... the guy I voted for in 1984. Specifically, the entire Iran-Contra debacle did it for me. I'm still hard-pressed to think of a more dangerously unhinged, crackpotted and harebrained scheme than that one. Naturally, it sprang from the Reagan administration's Central American policy, which proved to be one of the great collective tragedies in the Western Hemisphere during the 20th century.

    • El Salvador: 120,000+ dead and missing; 1 million displaced
    • Nicaragua: 43,000+ dead and missing; 300,000 displaced
    • Guatamala: 200,000+ dead and missing, 500,000+ displaced

    This eminently avoidable carnage was all made possible by the people in charge, two-dimensional clowns such as John Poindexter, Bill Casey and Oliver North, who eyed the world like they were stock characters who stood resolutely alongside John Wayne in "The Green Berets." And don't get me started on the Horrific little postscript that was the Dec. 1989 invasion of Panama.

    I'm embarrassed to admit that I supported Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the 1980 and '84 elections, and I will forever regret those votes until my dying day. The blinders were ripped off with Iran-Contra, and have remained off ever since. And for that, may the heavens bless the late Lawrence Walsh, the man who enlightened me.

    Aloha.

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    I have always been curious (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 10:19:22 AM EST
    ...as a native Californian, how Reagan got even his MOTHER to vote for him.  Anyone who was curious could have read about his record as governor of California and known better than to vote for him. WTF was it about his senility, cruelty, corruption  and stupidity that anyone found appealing?

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 11:45:42 AM EST
    I can tell you how he did it in the south. He pandered to the segregationists now the tea party types. Remember those aging tea partiers were only in the 40's back then AND he told them he was going to bring back the golden age of the 1950's where everybody "knew their place". He was able to curry their resentment into votes. And as for other places it was probably the economy being pretty bad at the time.

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    ... a personal level. His natural affability, easy-going charm and superior communications skills served to seduce the general public, and mask both the frighteningly cruel intent underlying many of his administration's policies, and the corrosive effect those policies had long-term on the nation at large.

    I think that had Ronald Reagan ever decided to personally hang a man from the nearest tree or yardarm, he likely could've not only convinced that poor sap that it's all for his own good, but also further sweet-talked the guy's family into happily paying for the rope themselves out of pocket.

    Aloha.

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    Lucky for me (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2014 at 04:25:17 PM EST
    a come from a family of jaded, old world con artists.

    I saw Reagan coming before he decided to try and be somebody.

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    I would like to see (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 09:07:26 AM EST
    The class that paper was written for, as well as the syllabus.

    I know of several occasions in school where I wrote papers or gave speeches that were actually opposite of what I felt, because I was taught that it forces you to look for and argue with evidence, rather than emotion.

    And I agree with Donald - I don't necessarily hold the same world views as I did when I was in college. I would rather vote for someone who says, "I thought X at one time, but after a lifetime of experience, and more information being available to me, I now realize that the world is not black and white and maybe Y is a better way of looking at things," than someone who says, "I thought X when I was 20 and nothing has changed."

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    It should also be noted (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 07:31:25 PM EST
    that left leaning press is pushing back against this story.

    TPM

    A Pryor spokesperson says bad things about the source.

    Which IMO changes none of the previous wild speculation.
    He is behind.  He is a snake ho will do anything to win.

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    Worse ... I voted for Carter (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 11:12:39 PM EST
    And I was in my 30's....

    Talk about a slow learner.

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    ... Egypt and Israel with the 1979 Camp David Accords, a peace which has continued to hold to this very day.

    Ronald Reagan certainly talked a tough and good game as president, but from the standpoint of the historical record and actual achievement, he was a lot more meringue and a lot less filling than most people realize, awash in nostalgia as we are for the era.

    I have to give President Reagan credit for one great achievement, the reduction of nuclear arms with the 1987 INF treaty, which eliminated all cruise missiles with a range of 500 to 5,000 kilometers.

    But other than that, what's the sum total of Reagan's presidency? Well, he campaigned for the office in 1980 by promising to eliminate deficit spending and reduce the national debt, but then proceeded to quintuple deficit spending and nearly triple the debt on his watch, which set this country on an unsustainable fiscal trajectory from which we've yet to pull completely out.

    There's the failed military intervention in Lebanon, the aforementioned Iran-Contra scandal, and the ham-handed attempt to place controversial Watergate figure Robert Bork of "Saturday Night Massacre" infamy on the U.S. Supreme Court.

    He tried to stack the deck on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1982 as a precursor to dismantling that agency, by attempting to replace Commissioners Mary Frances Berry, Blandina Cardenas Ramirez, and Rabbi Murray Saltzman before their terms were completed. The Senate declined to act on his recommendation, and the three stayed in place. He also vetoed the 1986 extension of the Voting Rights Act, which thankfully was overturned by Congress.

    He appointed as his Secretary of the Interior the remarkably insensitive and tone-deaf James Watt, a hyperpartisan shill for industrial interests who once infamously bifurcated the country into "liberals and Americans," and made another very regrettable quip featuring "a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple."

    There's also the unilateral firing of the federal air traffic controllers, which did a real number on an airline industry then struggling with the twin effects of recession and deregulation. And he pocket-vetoed the Whistleblowers Protection Act of 1989, on his way out of office.

    That's enough for now.

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    The peace hasn't done much for (1.00 / 3) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 11:29:04 AM EST
    overall peace in the ME and Carter has displayed overt hostility towards Israel. Some say that is because he believes Israel struck too hard a deal thus undermining the agreement. Others say that as he has gotten older he blames the Jews for killing Christ, something shared by some Christians.

    And his foreign policy towards Iran midwifed the birth of the modern islamic fundamentalist groups.

    Of course I figured that out quickly and in spite of not liking some of their more conservative members social positions I have never voted for a Democrat since then.

    Foreign trumps internal. You must first have a country to change it.

    As for Watt and infamous and dumb sayings, we have Reid and Clinton on the Demo side.

    As for the AC's, I was doing very heavy travel back then and their antics alienated the traveling public and destroyed any chance for public support.

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    Selective memory, Jim. (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:35:16 PM EST
    It was the Eisenhower administration's decision to first foment a coup against a democratically-elected government in Iran back in 1953, and set up the Shah Reza Pahlavi as that country's absolute monarch with dictatorial powers.

    That was the event that first sowed the seeds for the eventual Islamic revolution in Iran. The movement actually commenced on June 3, 1963 with a fiery speech in the Shiites' holy city of Qom by the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who denounced the Shah publicly and warned him that if he did not change his "wretched, miserable" ways, there would come a day when the Iranian people would celebrate his downfall.

    It was the Shah who sent troops into Qom the very next day, killed 400 Shiites who protested their presence there, and had Khomeini arrested and eventually sent into exile -- not President Carter. The bomb first planted by others so many years before finally exploded in 1979 and unfortunately for Carter, it occurred on his watch.

    Aloha.

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    Yes, the mean old Repubs (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 08:51:48 PM EST
    decided to prevent the Soviets from having a warm water port.

    Fact. Carter withdrew support and signaled Khomeini could come back.

    The death testify. The Left denies.

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    Reagan kowtowed to Khomeini (none / 0) (#125)
    by Politalkix on Mon Oct 27, 2014 at 11:43:52 PM EST
    (1)Iran-Contra
    (2)High tailed out of Lebanon
    (3)Khomeini and the Ayatillahs consolidated their power during the Reagan years (1981-1988) and Reagan could do nothing about it. Weak President he was!

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    Whatever Reagan may have done doesn't change (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 10:35:30 AM EST
    the fact that Carter midwifed the birth of islamic fundamentalist groups.

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    By sending arms to Afghanistan? (none / 0) (#131)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 10:45:15 AM EST

    Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

    Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

    Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

    Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

    Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

    Link

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    The fact that Carter found the truth (none / 0) (#135)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 11:56:45 AM EST
    about our enemies after Iran seized our embassy and imprisoned our people is often used to show he wasn't weak.

    It may be true. But two things.

    1. Helping the rebels in Afghanistan was done to hurt the Soviets. Some of the rebels remained friends with the US, some did not.

    2. It had nothing to do with Iran and Carter's fatal mistake in believing you could do business with the islamic fundamentalists and that everyone, at their base, recognized the goodness of America and actually loved us if we would just give them a chance.

    Obama took the same approach with even worse results.

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    Yes, the mean old repubs.. (none / 0) (#137)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 12:10:45 PM EST
    Get your basic history straight.

    Mossedegh wasn't a communist or even a socialist.

    He ruffled the feathers of the Anglo-Persian Oil Co (BP) and the mean old Repubs, kowtowing to the 1% again, dispensed with foresight, intelligence, and common decency and with M-16 instigated a coup striking a blow against our honor and prestige and for Ugly Americanism.

    And the Jim's of the world are still wondering why the rest of the world can't just be afraid and obey.

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    The Shah was a murderous thug (none / 0) (#139)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 12:36:45 PM EST
    and supporting him when he was torturing and imprisoning political dissidents is a stain on our history.

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    The trouble with (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 01:20:35 PM EST
    the fever pitch paranoia of the Cold War was that anyone with a well-financed pr campaign could exploit the paranoia in the service of dispensing with their enemies.

    And the CIA, as many are aware, was practically run out of all Wall St back then.

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    Yes, the Shah was a meanie (none / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 02:57:41 PM EST
    but in the real world you don't always get to pick your allies. We used the Shah to keep the Soviets from having a warm water port that they could use to threaten the world's oil supply.

    Kinda important now. Very very important then.

    "An enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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    Meanie (none / 0) (#152)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 at 07:20:26 AM EST
    is minimizing it.  After the Embassy take-over, I remember in one newspaper article the statement that before it, that those in the CIA couldn't give away intelligence about Iran because nobody(like Kissinger, who recommended that Carter let the Shah in this country for cancer treatment) in the Executive branch was paying any attention to it.

    Might makes right.  That's all it boils down to in your world, doesn't it?  It's very sick and sad at the same time.

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    An incomplete story is your crutch? (none / 0) (#149)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 03:27:22 PM EST
    Whatever Mosaddegh was or wasn't he was supported by the Communists who weren't known to support politicians that would reject their agenda. And he wasn't an example of democracy.

    "Another force for nationalization was the Tudeh or Communist party. In early April 1951, the party organized nationwide strikes and riots in protest against delays in nationalizing the oil industry .....

    On 28 April 1951, the Shah appointed Mossadegh as Prime Minister after the Majlis (Parliament of Iran) nominated Mosaddegh by a vote of 79-12. The Shah was aware of Mosaddegh's rising popularity and political power, after a period of assassinations and political unrest by the National Front."......

    According to Ervand Abrahamian: "Realizing that the opposition would take the vast majority of the provincial seats, Mosaddegh stopped the voting as soon as 79 deputies - just enough to form a parliamentary quorum -- had been elected."...

    Mosaddegh suspended the elections. His National Front party had made up 30 of the 79 deputies elected. Yet none of those present vetoed the statement, and the elections were postponed indefinitely. .....

    More popular than ever, a greatly strengthened Mosaddegh convinced parliament to grant him emergency powers for six months to "decree any law he felt necessary for obtaining not only financial solvency, but also electoral, judicial, and educational reforms".....

    . With these powers, he decreed a land reform law that established village councils and increased the peasants' share of production.[41] This weakened the landed aristocracy, abolishing Iran's centuries-old feudal agriculture sector, replacing it with a system of collective farming and government land ownership.....

     British prime minister Winston Churchill suggested to the incoming Eisenhower administration that Mossadegh, despite his open disgust with socialism, was, or would become, dependent on the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party,[47] resulting in Iran "increasingly turning towards communism" and towards the Soviet sphere at a time of high Cold War fears....

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    This is what the Wiki (none / 0) (#153)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 at 07:24:31 AM EST
    says about what triggered the coup in Iran:

    Mossadegh had sought to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now BP) and to change the terms of the company's access to Iranian oil reserves. Upon alleged refusal of the AIOC to cooperate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize the assets of the company and expel their representatives from the country.[7][8][9] Following the coup in 1953, a military government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),[9] to effectively rule the country as an absolute monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[7][8][9][10] In August 2013, 60 years after, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was involved in both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[11][12] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government."[13]

    They were going to treat their oil reserves as though they owned them.  We couldn't have that, back in 1953.

    So, it wasn't about the "Communist threat".

    Glad to clear that misunderstanding up for you.

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    It's that word "midwifed".. (none / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 12:13:45 PM EST
    What? did someone at Pam Geller's site use that word and it stuck?

    So, you're claiming that, for instance, Carter "midwifed" Wahabism in Saudi Arabia?

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    jondee, why do you make things up?? (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 02:58:38 PM EST
    I don't know, Jim (none / 0) (#154)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2014 at 04:13:39 PM EST
    why do you continually lie and obfuscate and run interference for scoundrels who would use you and yours for dog food given half a chance?

    Specifically, what have I "made up"?

    C'mon, you're a big boy. Don't run and hide.

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    The wahabists own a piece of Fox.. (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2014 at 04:42:14 PM EST
    that's what got your dander up.

    Sorry I brought it up.

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    I voted for Carter also (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 10:25:07 AM EST
    ...and I stand by my vote.  Look who got elected instead, the most corrupt president in our history, eclipsing even Richard Nixon in the number of appointees convicted of corruption.  That leaves out the reversed conviction of the traitor Ollie North, who skated on criminal charges because the court decided that his public confession of numerous crimes  prevented a "fair" trial.  IOW, since everyone already knew he was guilty, the "presumption of innocence" was gone.

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    Those that voted... (none / 0) (#94)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 12:11:48 PM EST
    ...for Carter the first time have themselves to thank for Reagan.

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    But President Reagan (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Politalkix on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 12:37:54 PM EST
    would probably thank his astrologer. link

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    The astrologer to the Stars (none / 0) (#112)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 05:00:16 PM EST
    Miss Quigley was on the Reagan's payroll at $3,000 a month, spoke to Mrs. Reagan two to three times a day, and had private phone lines to the White House and Camp David.  The lengthy NYTimes obituary for Joan Quigley contains information also presented in Donald Regan's, Reagan's former chief of staff and Secretary of Treasury.  The NYTimes asserts that this was the most closely guarded secret of the Reagan Administration--- perhaps next to signs of his failing memory.

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    ... as he attempted to topple President Gerald Ford first in the GOP primaries and then at the party's nominating convention, have themselves to thank for Jimmy Carter.

    So if you're trying to make a point, Abdul, it's a rather silly one.

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    ... in exchange for his testimony at the Iran-Contra hearings. But the arrogant and even hostile demeanor he displayed at those sessions, not to mention the utter disdain he held for committee members, was such that it finally earned that contemptible little turd a rare public rebuke from Sen. Daniel Inouye, who served as committee co-chair with Rep. Lee Hamilton.

    For those of us in Hawaii politics who both knew and worked with Sen. Inouye, it was the first and only time we ever saw that unflappably calm and polite gentleman show even a hint of temper in public, and the only time we ever heard him sternly dress someone down like that in front of other people. And I must say, there was probably no more appropriate and well-deserving person for him to tell off in public than Col. Oliver North, USMC.

    Aloha.

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    Voted for Carter in '76... (none / 0) (#72)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 06:15:09 AM EST
    ...or in '80?

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    I"m not saying (none / 0) (#41)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 04:55:53 PM EST
    that this segment is perfect, or even cogent, but I think it is worth seeing - because it expresses a point of view about our war against ISIS that I think is valid.

    Jon Stewart

    CaptHowdy! I blame you (none / 0) (#42)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 04:56:54 PM EST
    For even bringing up ladybug invasions, in an earlier thread.
    You obviously jinxed us, because the ladybugs are now starting to swarm on the outside of our house, with some of them coming inside.   ;-)
    Still, not as bad as a stink bug invasion, which we seem to have managed to avoid this year.

    I was pretty sure (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 05:04:16 PM EST
    i had all of them.  I recommend keeping all doors and windows tightly closed to the extent possible.  

    If it's anything like here if it just started it will get way worse.

    Sorry.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#46)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 05:59:47 PM EST
    Well, we do get colder, sooner up here in the Western Maryland mountains than you do down there.
    As soon as we have a hard freeze, the bugs will die.

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    Jim Carrey (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 05:35:30 PM EST
    on SNL Halloween show tonight.  It should be worth watching just to see him do Rick Scott.  Which is expected.

    I lost power 6 hour ago (none / 0) (#57)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 08:48:17 PM EST
    Bo long will things in my frig and freezer last? Does anyone know?  We had a wind storm. Lots of power outages in pdx. Twitter says 50,000. Gads, now I find out my life requires plugs.

    Keep it closed (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 08:54:13 PM EST
    Might not be a bad idea to go get some ice and an ice chest if they are still available.

    With that many they will be working hard to get it back on.

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    Both are so packed at the moment (none / 0) (#60)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:51:46 PM EST
    Since I'm pre cooking holiday season meals. Don't know if more ice would fit. Plus can't physically walk to a groc store and back and my garage door is electronic. I could do it manually but don't have the body flex to do that. Seriously a few non frig crackers and a glass of red wine helps plus a fire place. Just partly charged my phone from running my car a door open but still stinks. My life is about plugs at the moment. Not stressing tho!

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    Several suggestions: (5.00 / 7) (#61)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 25, 2014 at 09:57:39 PM EST
    (1) the fewer times you open either, the better.

    (2) the more you have in them, the longer they will stay cold.

    (3) Try Google.

    (4) Then think about conserving what battery you have left in your laptop.

    Stay safe and be careful.

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    Thank you Anne and Howdy! (none / 0) (#90)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 11:38:05 AM EST
    My power is back on! Only was out 10 hours and I had dinner of some crackers which was fine. I needed to get rid of them since they were getting stale anyhow.

    After some sleep I checked my frig and everything seems OK. I can get internet on my laptop now too. I always could on my phone.

    Spent an hour and a half on the phone last dark night with my artist friend who is a duck fan and asked her to explain college football and the ducks and the duck/beaver rivalry. It was actually very fun and I may become a duck fan and watch some games.

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    One more thing (none / 0) (#114)
    by scribe on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 08:19:29 PM EST
    Put some tape - duck or masking - across the doors of the fridge to keep them shut.  You don't want the doors to open easily or casually (how many times do we go into the kitchen, open the fridge and look in to see if there's something we want to eat inside?  Bet you can't count 'em.) and you want it so the absent-minded in your house won't go in.

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    Z, buy a small Honda generator. (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 11:24:43 AM EST
    My 2000 is balanced to not surge and run computers safely.  It will also run one light and the fridge,  what else do you need? I'm sure in Portland they get things fixed fairly rapidly.

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    Good advise (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:39:40 PM EST
    for anyone.

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    Good idea Fish (none / 0) (#110)
    by ZtoA on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 04:21:13 PM EST
    It seems to me that Portland has experienced (more?)  downpours and wind weather in the last several years. I just had some drainage issues addressed ($$) in my front, but a generator might be a good next step. I'll hook it up to my frig, one computer and one lava lamp and I'll be all set.

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    Terrific article on the lives of those kidnapped (none / 0) (#66)
    by Green26 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 12:34:46 AM EST
    by terrorist groups and held in Syria. Nicely pieced together by the NY Times.

    It's supposed to be 88 (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 10:53:28 AM EST
    here today.  
    About 25 more than normal for mid/late October.

    But I brought the plants in (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 10:57:51 AM EST
    because it's supposed frost in a couple of days.

    8-/

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    It is a beautiful day here (none / 0) (#98)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:02:19 PM EST
    It is currently 71 degrees but feels warmer with the sun out and not a cloud in the sky. High of 76 and mid 80s tomorrow before it drops back to mid 60s the rest of the week.

    The trees are all turning and was e are very close to peak color. The reds, oranges and golds will spectacular and just the right setting for All Hollow's Eve.

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    Still a week or so from peak (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:36:11 PM EST
    we just started turning.

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    The weather here (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:37:29 PM EST
    has been perfect for weeks.  It just got hot in the last few days.   But not for long.

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    National Geographic: Minority religions in ME (none / 0) (#106)
    by Politalkix on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 01:44:42 PM EST
    need protection link

    Tunisia (none / 0) (#108)
    by Politalkix on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 02:26:34 PM EST
    I can't believe Boardwalk Empire had Ladybugs (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 26, 2014 at 09:04:40 PM EST
    I can't believe Boardwalk Empire had Ladybugs

    I can't believe Boardwalk Empire had Ladybugs

    I can't believe Boardwalk Empire had Ladybugs

    By whose definition (none / 0) (#145)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 02:19:47 PM EST
    is a person who holds 6% of all stock in a company like Fox a "passive shareholder"?

    I'm sure the Washington Times (none / 0) (#146)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 28, 2014 at 02:41:19 PM EST
    would've said the same thing about the Moonies - that they in no way ever attempted to wield any influence over the content or tenor of the paper.

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    Colbert takes on GamerGate (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 09:28:19 AM EST
    Josh and I watched it this morning (none / 0) (#159)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 09:57:35 AM EST
    Before he went to school.  He turned it on, wanted to see what Colbert had to say.  I don't know enough about the available games to have much of an opinion.  Two games aren't allowed in my house, you probably know which two.  Other than that I'm not detail aware of what is out there.  Josh seems to like everything that is very mainstream popular when I'm shelling out the big bucks.  Since the Steam platform hit, he only asks for about 5 specific games a year that I pay full price for.

    He used to have a female gamer that he teamed with online all the time.  She was very coveted by him, a girl who games, a girl who speaks your language.  They lost touch though in a game system changeout.

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    Ha (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 10:47:56 AM EST
    indeed.
    Like finding a gay man who is into horror and politics and not into clothes.
    How's the weather?   We are supposed to be in the LOW 20s tomorrow night.  

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    We are supposed to get close (none / 0) (#164)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 12:15:10 PM EST
    to freezing.  It's beautiful out though now.  The dogs still loving it.  Playing outside as often as they can.

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    In huge local news (none / 0) (#162)
    by CST on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 11:33:06 AM EST
    Former Boston Mayor Tom Menino died today.

    He was a giant in this city.  Mayor for 20 years, longest serving Boston mayor in history - in a city known for long-serving mayors.

    RIP

    He was quite a character (none / 0) (#163)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 12:09:16 PM EST
    Very sad.

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    He was (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by CST on Thu Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57:02 PM EST
    He was Boston's character though.  Gave his whole life in service to the city.  And it transformed under his watch.

    He was a champion for civil rights in a city with a troubled history, that was changing demographically.

    He fought to put teenagers to work in the summer, and the crime rate plummeted under his watch.

    He was a great mayor, and he never wanted to be anything else.  Sad that he didn't get to enjoy his retirement, but I like to think that he lived his life doing what he loved.

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