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I haven't written anything about ebola yet because I don't know anything about it. Since there are a lot of comments about it, here's an open thread to discuss it. All other topics are welcome too.

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    Re:ignorace (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:42:02 AM EST

    I haven't written anything about ebola yet because I don't know anything about it yet.

    That's a sure way to get invited to talk about it on Fox
    Noise.

    Might I suggest an Opium Thread? (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:39:37 AM EST
    That might calm everybody down.

    lol... (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:01:12 PM EST
    won't treat ebola, but an excellent treatment for hysteria, of any and all stripes.

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    Where ya been, dog? You've been (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:19:35 PM EST
    scarce around these parts the last week or so...

    Hope all is well and you've just been off having actual fun!

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    Not too much fun... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:37:42 PM EST
    since the back to back MOE and Willie Nile shows 9/26-9/27 I'm afraid Anne...swamped at work by the "don't hire new people, give the execs a raise and pile on the peons" business model that is all too common these days, and just not too much to say on the politics of crime (politics is a crime?) beat.  

    But I have been reading J's stuff and the comments...thanks for noticing my mini-commenting hiatus.  Go Royals! ;)

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    If your picking a team tends to (none / 0) (#49)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:58:47 PM EST
    kill their chances to win, by all means, root for the Royals!

    I noticed your absence because you often have a way of pouring oil on troubled waters, and the waters 'round here have been kind of roiling lately.

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    In that case... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:00:51 PM EST
    behave yourselves the lot of you, don't make me pull this car off the information super-highway!

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    Mrs. Dadler came of age in K.C. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:19:28 PM EST
    In the age of George Brett, Freddie Patek, Amos Otis, Dan Quisenberry. She's a huge sports fan to start with, probably bigger than me at this point, and she is enjoying the Royal blue ride. I really hope they make it to the Series.

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    Me too... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:27:50 PM EST
    normally a National League guy all the way, real baseball and all, but I am making an exception this year...KC needs a winner!

    So no worries Anne, with the kdog K.O.D. in play, the O's are a virtual lock;)

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    Please, please do not (none / 0) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:54:53 PM EST
    root for the Cardinals. They do not need or want the kdog KOD.
    ;-D

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    No worries there... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:01:40 PM EST
    as true-blue National League as I am, I've hated the Cardinals since the old NL East rivalry days with my Mets.  Hated those Whitey Herzog teams as a boy!

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    Did you root for the Dodgers? (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:52:14 PM EST
    Cards won tonight 3 to 2 to win 3 out of 4.

    Go Cards.

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    The Bums? Carpetbaggers? (none / 0) (#179)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:55:26 PM EST
    Baseball envy is such a (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:24:28 PM EST
    horrible thing. ;-D

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    Oh, well, so much for the Freeway Series. (none / 0) (#186)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:11:05 PM EST
    But just wait'll next year! Or maybe the year after that ...

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    There is still the possibility of an (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:52:35 PM EST
    I-70 corridor series. St. Louis vs K.C.


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    Yes, your absence has been noted (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:11:23 PM EST
    and you have been missed. Had hoped that you were in an exciting place with your special lady. Sorry to hear that you have just been too busy at work.

    My imaginings were much more fun.

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    Mine too MO... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:16:22 PM EST
    mine too, to be sure.

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    And yet I am supposed to be (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:57:51 AM EST
    afraid of ebola, rather than this?  Puhlease media, get a grip.

    Seriously... (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:09:27 PM EST
    gun nuts and a grifter's economy would be much better fodder for fear mongering.  It must be nice to have time to worry about ebola and ISIS.

    The Middle Class Squeeze

    All the proof I need that the media is a total corporate tool with nefarious intentions.

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    kdog, welcome back, (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:08:18 PM EST
    there was a short burst where I thought I needed a good corner man but I pulled through with Scottish fortitude.

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    Even when I'm not around... (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:20:35 PM EST
    I'll always be your corner man fishcamp...I like your style dude.

    "If you ever get hurt and you feel that you're goin' down this little angel is gonna whisper in your ear. It's gonna say, 'Get up you son of a bitch 'cause Mickey loves you'. Okay?"


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    Geez (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:27:32 PM EST
    get a room.

    Nice to see you mr Dog.

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    It was a joke (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:47:21 PM EST
    Maybe we can persuade your soulmate to come (none / 0) (#85)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:52:21 PM EST
    north in Nov. Or April.

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    Terrible. (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:59:03 PM EST
    Time magazine's cover:  EBOLA.

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    Curious how this struck you (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:40:35 PM EST
    Given the declining audience for (none / 0) (#136)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:09:32 PM EST
    classical music, I'd think Busch Stadium of wherever the Rams play would be a better venue.

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    It seemed to work well enough (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:27:53 PM EST
    and the song probably would not have been audible there.   It was quite beautifully executed.

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    Then there is this (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:41:54 PM EST
    The confrontation (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:35:42 PM EST
    on Bill Maher's show the other day made me think about Muslims, Jews and Christians.

    Those ISIS people are on a level of their own... But I'm not at all ready to associate it with the religion of Islam.

    I think about the Crusades, or the Inquisition. Hard to top that one.

    Or burning folks at the stake - like they did to Joan of Arc.

    I'm not at all ready to associate those activities with the teachings of Jesus Christ - who, I think, should have a say in the way that "Christianity" is celebrated...

    Similarly, I was appalled at the actions of Israel vis a vis the Palestinians not so long ago. But what the actions of a national entity have to do with Judaism escapes me as well.

    Briefly, I can shake my head at these activities, and yet I go about my environment, replete with Musiims, Jews and Christians, and we ride the bus together, smile at each others children, and are courteous to one another.

    There is some disconnect between what I'm reading - which is a reality - and the reality of my every day life surrounded by people about whom I am being urged to be suspicious.


    If you lived in the Islamic World (none / 0) (#70)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:26:37 PM EST
    You'd might have a different opinion.

    You don't.  You live in the secular west were freedom to worship, not to worship, minority and women's rights are protected.

    Also the comparisons you make happened hundreds of years ago.    They are irrelevant to the discussion of what's happening today in Islam other then to give some sort of historical perspective that societies can and will change.

    The question is not is Islam bad.  The question for me is the current application of Islam in the Islamic world good for the people who live in it and can the differences (because there are differences) between their cultures and ours in the secular West peacefully coexist in an ever shrinking world.

    Right now both sides are struggling to do so for a multitude of reasons.

    The debate on Bill Mahers program was about confronting the differences in core principals between the Secular West and the Islamic world.

    For me the biggest being that we believe in separate government and religion and they don't.

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    Do you consider (none / 0) (#98)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:21:13 PM EST
    Turkey to be part of the Islamic world?

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    Of course (none / 0) (#106)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:53:03 PM EST
    and they are a democracy that is becoming more Islamic.  

    Turkey is a test case for a country that was secular and Islamic but is now reverting back to an Islamist government.

    They are by no means Saudi Arabia or Yemen but they aren't the USA or England either.

    Persecution of Christians in Turkey

    Turkey becoming more Islamic - and this was 2012

    Is Turkey the next Pakistan?

    Again.  As the country becomes more Islamic and less secular, Christian or anything else the uniting of Islam and politics becomes more complete.

    It didn't use to be this way but continually even in "moderate" Islamic countries we see a degradation of religious and minority rights.

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    I strongly disagree (none / 0) (#111)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:26:05 PM EST
    That Turkey is even close to becoming the next Pakistan.

    One of the ways it's becoming "more Islamic" is that they no longer ban headscarves in school, for example.  Which strikes me as extremely democratic for a country where a majority of the population is Muslim.  If anything, loosening these restrictions opens up greater opportunities for religious women in Turkey.

    Turkey does have serious problems right now, but IMO it seems like more of a power grab by Erdogan than anything else.  He is a problem.  But I have a bigger issue with the fact that he's throwing his opposition in jail than with the extra tax on booze.  So far Turkey has become about as much of an Islamic state as the U.S. has.

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    When you mention (none / 0) (#132)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:07:23 PM EST
    "core principles"... my mind turns to, say, the ethics of slaughtering civilians, torturing captives, and the imprisonment of people for decades who have not been convicted or even formally accused of anything.

    I would say that whatever shining core principles we once had that separated us from the barbarians were neatly eviscerated by GW Bush - and enabled by a pathetic Congress and amoral, ambitious politicians. Aided, I would add by amoral and ambitious media outlets. (including PBS)

    Yes. What you said about the "application" of Islam rings true. But that is what I said about regarding Christianity as it became applied by freaks as a license to torture, maim and burn people alive.

    I think we'd be better off judging the actions of various people without relating to religion. They may do so to justify their actions, but we don't have to.

    To me, this is about power.
    In that part of the world, a lot of has to do, in my opinion, with overturning the power we have exercised in that part of the world - supporting brutal dictators - as with Hussein - and installing them - as with the Shah.

    As I mentioned in another post, I saw a video of some guy from ISIS indoctrinating a boy who looked to be about 10 or 11. A clean cut cute kid. He was being indoctrinated to hate Americans. Why? "Because they kill Muslims". Hard to argue with that one. 100,000 and counting - conservatively speaking.

    I would also say, to your statement that in the "secular west" ... "freedom to worship, not to worship, minority and women's rights are protected." I would say that our part of town is less and less secular and more and more dominated by politicians who habitually feel the urge to declare their religious convictions.

    When you say that "we believe in separate government and religion and they don't." - I think you might have become insensitive to the intrusion of religion upon our government and our lives.

    Think of the assault on abortion rights.
    Think of Bush declaring Jesus Christ as his "favorite philosopher" (would that it were so) or even Obama resisting equal rights for gay people because of his "religious upbringing".
    Or the addition of "under God" for our pledge - or "in God we Trust" on our money. Please. And "prayer breakfasts"... and invocations by Chaplains in the halls of Congress... the list goes on.

    As for the right not to worship and the rights of minorities and women - I see those rights as under attack - threatened - not protected as you say.

    Of course, things are not as bad here for women as in, say, Saudi Arabia - but that doesn't stop us from befriending them and trading with them - so forget about principles.

    Money and power are running this show - and religion is a red herring. In my opinion....

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    First they came for your swings... (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:38:08 PM EST
    School bans Swings

    As a parent of three young kids I reflect on the difference between my childhood and theirs often.

    No helmet, out all afternoon with my parents having little to no idea where I was etc... etc...

    I can remember vividly my mom saying..."Be home for dinner" and then off I went on my bike with no helmet doing gosh knows what.

    Those days seem to be over.    

    It's a miracle (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:41:50 PM EST
    enough of us survived to produce another generation isn't it.

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    Injuries due to swings have increased (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:49:02 PM EST
    b/c teetertotters/monkeybars/dodgeball/red rover come over/and hand-pushed merry-go-rounds were previously banned, as well as anything resembling the very high, steep slides of yore.

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    In the comments (none / 0) (#107)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:55:22 PM EST
    for the article that said it all...(i paraphrase)

    "Doesn't the school realize that something has to be the most dangerous thing on the playground."

    To your point.  The only way to make it not dangerous is to make it an empty field.

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    Until the running child (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:51:52 PM EST
    trips and falls :P

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    And then put a high fence (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:52:00 PM EST
    around the field.  

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    Were we not such a litigious society, ... (none / 0) (#184)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:06:34 PM EST
    ... this wouldn't have to happen. When kids play in playgrounds, they sometimes get hurt. But outside the playground, who's minding those adults who are looking for an easy windfall whenever the kids fall?

    More than a few people have apparently come to believe that the primary fault for playground mishaps lies not with the kids doing the playing or even the parents, but rather, with somebody or some entity with deep pockets.

    Thus, given the understandable liability concerns, coupled with the fact that perennially reduced public education budgets are fast rendering school playgrounds a luxury item which far too many school districts can no longer afford to even maintain, the jungle gyms and swings are removed, the tetherballs and kickballs are locked in storage -- and in some places, the playgrounds are closed until further notice.

    Meanwhile, the NRA would instead have us buy our kids firearms, and allow schoolteachers to pack heat on campus. God bless America, and go figure.

    Aloha.

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    This made me smile (5.00 / 3) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:26:48 PM EST
    Yahoo! (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:17:16 PM EST
    Way to go, Cards!
    Too bad, Dodger fans.   ;-)

    (Sniff! Sob!) (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:24:03 PM EST
    :`-(

    Regarding my prediction of an all-L.A. Freeway Series this year, in the immortal words of Emily Litella:

    "Never mind."

    Where's BTD to give me cover on bad sports prognostications when I need him?

    (Sigh!) Looks like I'm stuck with rooting for the Cards again during the postseason, Mme. Zorba, because one thing's for certain -- it sure ain't gonna be for the San Francisco Giants or Washington Nationals.

    Aloha.

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    Oh, the sturm and drang (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:57:54 PM EST
    of conservatives on Facebook tonight after the supreme court decision is something to watch. They admit they are losing but they keep name calling and going on like they have been. And what's their answer to everything? Crank up the culture war. I am so tired of the culture war.

    I'm telling ya (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:14:42 PM EST
    start another FB page and send friend requests to the people you actually want to hear from.  You keep the old one.  No one is offended.  You can enjoy FB again.

    All it takes is a separate gmail account.  I did not use FB for years because of this.   Now I am on most days.   And I actually don't want to throw something as a result.

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    Speaking of culture wars (none / 0) (#195)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:56:16 PM EST
    Kim Jong-Un seems to be missing.  South Korea is abuzz.  The dude really seems to be uh...missing.

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    One of our dictators is missing? (none / 0) (#196)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:27:52 PM EST
    Yman, my comment wasn't about the (2.00 / 1) (#201)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 08, 2014 at 08:37:13 AM EST
    Ebola patient in Texas, but:

    The American journalist with Ebola who arrived at a Nebraska hospital today believes that he may have gotten infected when he got splashed while spray-washing a vehicle where someone had died from the disease.

    Ashoka Mukpo arrived at the Nebraska Medical Center this morning after being flown directly from Liberia.
     

    ABC News

    This proves two things:

    1. The virus can exist outside of a host for a substantial time.

    2. It can be transmitted via water and/or aerosol spray.

    I know you will acknowledge your error.

    Jesse Jackson to Dallas (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:27:59 AM EST
    Here he comes to save the day -- the Mighty Meddler:

    Jesse Jackson in Dallas to address Ebola scare

    Is he going to try to turn a medical situation into a civil rights issue???

    The article says the family asked him (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:46:39 AM EST
    to come - would you have preferred he decline?

    Given that this is Texas, I might want someone of note to run interference for me, too.  As for the "humanitarian relief" Jackson mentions, you do realize that not only has the family had to be relocated, but they have had to go without their possessions, including the clothes on their backs.  Do you not think that's worthy of being addressed?

    I notice you failed to mention that none of the people who are being watched for symptoms have shown any yet, which is a good thing.  

    On balance, I'd rather have Jackson turning a medical situation into a civil rights issue than what you're doing: turning a medical issue into a campaign of fear.

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    He was personna non-grata (none / 0) (#27)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:36:13 AM EST
    in Ferguson. The Mike Brown family and their friends up there told him to get lost.

    Given that this is Texas, I might want someone of note to run interference for me, too.

    What -- don't they have lawyers like Clay Jenkins down there in Texas???

     As for the "humanitarian relief" Jackson mentions, you do realize that not only has the family had to be relocated, but they have had to go without their possessions, including the clothes on their backs.

    They might be contaminated -- I'm sure they know that.

    Do you not think that's worthy of being addressed?

    Who says that it's not being addressed???

    I notice you failed to mention that none of the people who are being watched for symptoms have shown any yet, which is a good thing.

    It is a good thing and thanks to those who screamed bloody murder when the CDC and politicians failed to take the situation serious enough despite being told to calm down and shut up and just trust the experts. Where was Jesse when that was going on???


    On balance, I'd rather have Jackson turning a medical situation into a civil rights issue than what you're doing: turning a medical issue into a campaign of fear.

    I'm sure he's there for one thing -- chaching. That's why Brown's family told him to get lost.

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    You're always sure about a lot of things, (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:00:36 PM EST
    aren't you?

    Who cares if Jackson goes to Texas?  Why does Jackson's presence anywhere have to meet with your approval?  Why does it matter that Mike Brown's family didn't want him in Ferguson - how are these situations even the same?

    It really feels like all you do is search and sift through anything that mentions anything to do with Ebola that you can deem "bad," and the gleefully bring it here.

    And I guess because nobody bit on your gleeful, baiting sarcasm yesterday, it's forced you to new levels of petulant hysteria.

    What's next, stomping your feet?  Sticking out your tongue?  Oooh, better not - you might snag one of those "airborne" virus particles.  Oh, nooooooo!


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    Get a grip (none / 0) (#54)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:12:13 PM EST
    You're always sure about a lot of things

    And you're not????


    Who cares if Jackson goes to Texas?

    Apparently you do --

     Why does Jackson's presence anywhere have to meet with your approval?  

    It doesn't but am I not allowed to comment upon his appearance right in the midst of the 19 day quarantine period when everyone is being told to stay put.

    Why does it matter that Mike Brown's family didn't want him in Ferguson - how are these situations even the same?

    Ask Jesse -- he showed up in both places and was told to get lost in one and may be told the same in the other.

    It really feels like all you do is search and sift through anything that mentions anything to do with Ebola that you can deem "bad," and the gleefully bring it here.

    Do you have a problem with information reaching people???

    And I guess because nobody bit on your gleeful, baiting sarcasm yesterday, it's forced you to new levels of petulant hysteria.

    I think petulant histeria describes your rant here.

    What's next, stomping your feet?  Sticking out your tongue?  Oooh, better not - you might snag one of those "airborne" virus particles.  Oh, nooooooo!

    You really need to get a grip.

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    I wonder how many other people have (none / 0) (#67)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:11:44 PM EST
    wormed their way into or out of Texas lately in apparent defiance of the "stay put" order.

    Gasp!

    I am not opposed to information, but I don't think what you're doing is presenting information, I think it's fear-mongering.

    You would think this is the first time there has been an Ebola outbreak.  That after years of working with outbreaks, studying the virus and the course of the disease, compiling statistics, and so on, that there isn't a large body of  evidence on all aspects of the virus, including means of transmission and the risks/chances of infection.  

    I hate to tell you, but you are to Ebola what jim is to climate change - determined to rest on words such as "likely" and "unlikely" as proof that something really could or could not happen.

    I don't care about Jesse Jackson - you do, because you're the one who dropped him into the thread so you could mock him.  Which serves no purpose that I can tell - although you certainly are free to make us all aware of wherever it is he happens to be.  Take out an ad in the paper - let the world know that Jackson is so craven that "even" Mike Brown's family didn't want him around.  You realize that says more about what you think about the Brown family than anything, don't you?

    Maybe it's that he isn't being properly afraid?

    I don't need to get a grip - I have one already.  You're the one who's playing the role of Henny Penny here, not me.

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    Have you ever noticed (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by NYShooter on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:56:32 PM EST
    how certain AA leaders have become jokes, punchlines....... mostly by white, Fox viewers types?

    No matter what, or, where, a civil rights altercation takes place you can set your clock as to how fast someone yells, " Here comes Al Sharpton." Or, Jesse Jackson.

    So, you have to ask, why is it that, decade after decade, certain AA leaders show up at theses places? Why is it that after all these efforts by the racist community to make those leaders into pejorative stereotypes of "troublemakers" do the affected A.A. people keep asking for their help?

    If Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Ben crump, etc. weren't helpful, and, effective, to those who feel persecuted, why do they keep asking for their help?

    And, why is it that, virtually, everyone who's complaining, and, denigrating them..... is white?

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    I have had this very thing (none / 0) (#152)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:48:00 PM EST
    explained to me recently. If Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson didn't show up, the vigilantes (AA protesters) would not come up with the idea that there was anything racist about an unarmed black teenager being shot by a white policeman. Of course, there is nothing racist about any of this including the idea that "those" people (some of which are professors, doctors, lawyers etc.) are incapable of coming to these conclusions by themselves.

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    Oh no. Waiting (none / 0) (#155)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:03:40 PM EST
    to hear about Bill Clinton during the Obama/Clinton primaries.

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    Forget it, Anne. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:18:57 PM EST
    It's Chinatown.

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    "Get a grip"? (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:16:48 PM EST
    You first.

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    Hard to get a grip (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:20:41 PM EST
    on a slippery slope

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:11:15 PM EST
    Touché.

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    I wouldn't know about that. (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:58:57 AM EST
    Were Rev. Jackson's successful negotiations for the release of three U.S. POWs from Serbian custody in May 1999 a civil rights issue? As I recall, none of those three men were African-American.

    The racial connotations embedded in your comment are rather stark and ugly. You really ought to think soberly about what you're going to say first, before you actually post it -- especially here. TL is hardly "Fox & Friends."

    Aloha.

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    Ebola Zombie Watch (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:20:15 AM EST
    continues.  Vigilance is our best defense.

    Tweet of the month (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:35:28 AM EST
    Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs
    Follow
    I wonder if all the conservatives yelling that Ebola might become airborne realize it means they now believe in evolution?
    7:30 PM - 3 Oct 2014


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    Pay no attention to scientists??? (2.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:00:38 PM EST
    Charles J knows best?? Hmmm, let's see...

    In 2012, a team of Canadian researchers proved that Ebola Zaire, the same virus that is causing the West Africa outbreak, could be transmitted by the respiratory route from pigs to monkeys, both of whose lungs are very similar to those of humans.

    Link

    And riddle me this...

    Assuming that the news photo guy who is now in Iowa being treated for Ebola he came down with while be in West Africa is as smart as the average bear and wouldn't go near someone with Ebola....

    How did he catch it??

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    whoosh (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:07:46 PM EST
    Does this mean you now believe in evolution?

    Hint - most of us here already do.

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    How great is it (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:12:24 PM EST
    that they keep linking to that study from 2012 like its news.

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    Here's the thing (none / 0) (#102)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:35:05 PM EST
    It "could" go airborne.

    It's also fairly obvious that it hasn't yet in humans.

    I just find the whole Ebola hysteria so absurd.  But then I've been to Africa, and my doctor freaked out when I told him I was going.  And he told me the million ways I was gonna die and come home and kill everyone around me.  This was about 8 years ago.  I went anyway.

    As an American in America, there's a higher likelihood of dying because you were too busy reading about Ebola on your cell phone to notice the car that hits you, than there is of actually contracting (and dying of) Ebola.

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    we are all (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:41:02 PM EST
    Chuck Johnson Now

    Posted addresses of Ebola suspects and was kicked off Twitter

    FREE CHUCK JOHNSON

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    I've been to Africa four times. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:16:17 PM EST
    The biggest health hazards there for visitors like us are malaria, typhoid and yellow fever.

    (We also ran across a black mamba snake -- one of the deadliest poisonous reptiles anywhere in the world -- coiled up in a corner of our outdoor lodge at Stone Camp in Swaziland's Mkhaya National Game Reserve. That skinny sucker looked at least half again as long as I am tall! Our safari guides had to call in park rangers, who easily caught it, bagged it and removed it to another locale. When The Spouse commented to one of the rangers that they looked so efficient one would think they did this all the time, the ranger smiled and replied, "We do." Somewhat unnerving to hear, to say the least.)

    Africa's a wonderful continent to visit. That said, I would urge anyone considering a trip overseas to destinations in Latin America, Asia and Africa to please refer to the CDC's page for suggested vaccines, as part of your trip planning. It should also be noted that antimalarial medication regimens need to be commenced several weeks in advance of your trip departure.

    As for you, CST, if you haven't already, I would hope you might consider finding yourself another physician -- preferably one who's not a paranoid hysteric.

    Aloha.

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    BTW - As to your "question" (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:09:39 PM EST
    Assuming that the news photo guy who is now in Iowa being treated for Ebola he came down with while be in West Africa is as smart as the average bear and wouldn't go near someone with Ebola....

    How did he catch it??

    Google can be your friend, with even less effort than it took to type your "question".

    Link - U.S. Patient Aided Pregnant Liberian, Then Took Ill


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    Who said THAT?!? (none / 0) (#182)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:02:29 PM EST
    Riddle me this.

    There are many scientists who actually study this disease who have stated clearly that it cannot be transmitted to humans by air, as opposed to your "could happen in the future" study.  Where is your actual evidence that it can be?

    Study Confirms That Ebola Is Not Transmitted Through The Air

    Can you get Ebola through the air? Here's what the science says.

    Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Transmission and Risk Factors of Contacts, Uganda

    BTW - your newfound respect for scientific opinion versus wingnut blogs is duly noted, even if your ability to produce actual evidence remains nonexistent.

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    Airborne??? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:48:34 AM EST
    Hasn't it already demonstrated that.

    It's already shown that it can go airborne.

    It flew from from Liberia to America :)

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    Good News from St Augustine (none / 0) (#3)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:29:52 AM EST
    Florida Governor Scott appoints a Special Prosecutor in the Michelle O'Connell Case

    The family's attorney is the same one retained by the Michael Brown family -- Ben Crump.

    While his antics in the Zimmerman case were a bit much, I am so glad that he took up the cause of this family which bears a resemblance to the one in Ferguson.

    The words (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:14:38 PM EST
    "good news" and "governor Scott" do not be long in the same paragraph.   Let alone sentence.

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    How does this bear (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:55:11 AM EST
    any resemblance to Ferguson? While the sheriff may or may not have protected his officer from the beginning, an independent investigation was already done once and now it seems to be a pi$$ing contest between law enforcement agencies and the office of a governor who is an tight re-election battle.

    Over time, though, the official narrative began to change. The sheriff asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to re-examine the case, and investigators found two neighbors who said they had heard a woman screaming for help that night, followed by gunshots. Their account prompted the medical examiner to revise his opinion from suicide to homicide, a conclusion shared by the crime reconstruction expert hired by state investigators.

    Eventually, however, a special prosecutor appointed by Gov. Rick Scott decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute and closed the case early last year. But that was hardly the final word. The state law enforcement agency asked for a special inquest into the death, saying significant questions remained. The sheriff, David B. Shoar, struck back in support of his officer, prompting an extraordinary conflict between two powerful law enforcement agencies.



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    How does it resemble??? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:28:45 AM EST
    An officer killing out of anger while his boss  immediately bends over backwards to cover for him letting him have access to all the evidence against him before he gives his statement -- to start.

    If you haven't seen the Frontline story I recommend it -- otherwise there is this: NY Times story

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    This was a suicide (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:42:53 AM EST
    or it was a domestic dispute that ended in homicide by someone who happened to be a deputy sheriff.

    An officer killing out of anger...

    Facts not in evidence, counselor.  Just speculation at this point.

    The incident in Ferguson was a case of a large man charging a police officer who fired on him in self-defense.  Or it was a case of systemic racism and indifference by a police force against the community that allowed this police officer to think he could use excessive force on a member of that community who was of a different race.

    And since I just linked to the NY Times story, you can assume I read it.  But maybe you missed this part, so I will repost it:

    Over time, though, the official narrative began to change. The sheriff asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to re-examine the case, and investigators found two neighbors who said they had heard a woman screaming for help that night, followed by gunshots. Their account prompted the medical examiner to revise his opinion from suicide to homicide, a conclusion shared by the crime reconstruction expert hired by state investigators.

    Eventually, however, a special prosecutor appointed by Gov. Rick Scott decided there was insufficient evidence to prosecute and closed the case early last year. But that was hardly the final word. The state law enforcement agency asked for a special inquest into the death, saying significant questions remained. The sheriff, David B. Shoar, struck back in support of his officer, prompting an extraordinary conflict between two powerful law enforcement agencies.

    So again, since the sheriff turned over the case to re-evaluation, and since this had nothing to do with the deputy's performance while on the job, and since this probably had more to do with a domestic dispute rather than a potential racial animosity, and since a special prosecutor has already turned down the opportunity to prosecute this case, tell us again - how is this exactly like Ferguson?

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    This whole (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:27:24 AM EST
    "facts not in evidence" thing you and oculus cast about makes it seem as though a fact must validated by a court of law or some other authority in order to actually exist. The ability to extrapolate (or as you like to call it, "speculate") is just as valid a skill as documentation. Without "speculation" no lines of investigation open up at all.

    So interpretation of known data varies from person to person. So what? Are intelligent people supposed to turn off their brains until they have a time-stamped artifact?

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    Please leave me out of this. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:28:52 AM EST
    Nope (none / 0) (#28)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:36:23 AM EST
    The comment absolutely also applies to you. You didn't say it in this thread. But you say it quite a bit. While jb's comments are more loquacious than your "pithy" jabs, you both use the concept to attempt to invalidate or silence or sneer at the voices of others.

    While I could be wrong, I believe you were a prosecutor. I don't know what kind of law jb practices, but your legal backgrounds don't give you any more insight into life in the real world than anyone else who lives in it.

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    I think Anne would advise you (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:42:38 AM EST
    just stirring the sh#⃣t.

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    I think Anne can speak for herself, (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:17:07 PM EST
    but nice attempt to deflect.

    The fact - and it really is a fact - is that you have been known to caution people with respect to the rules of evidence and other finer points of the practice - usually from the prosecution side - of criminal law.  Sometimes, your additions are educational, but they don't always hide the pro-prosecution bias it appears you have.

    The other fact is that we all see, read and hear things differently, we all have our biases and tendencies, and they often inform our comments.

    We also have a tendency to consider our own speculation more valid than the speculation that comes from those with opposing ideas.  Some do a better job of supporting their speculation than others, but none of us is sitting on a jury, so I think we really don't need to do the "facts not in evidence" thing.

    Where I - and others - tend to be kind of harda$$ about the speculation, is in objecting to speculation that is based on speculation - I think that's bad in any venue, not just the legal one.

    In my opinion, Uncle Chip is looking for a fight, using all his pent-up frustration from not having been able to set our collective hair on fire over Ebola, the CDC and now, Jesse Jackson.  

    Maybe what Anne would advise is for everyone to calm the fk down, take a few deep breaths - through a respirator mask if necessary - and find something more pleasing to do than torture themselves arguing with people who are NEVER going to say, "gee, I guess you're right - thanks for helping me figure this out!"

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    Not necessarily (none / 0) (#47)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:35:41 PM EST
    In my opinion, Uncle Chip is looking for a fight, using all his pent-up frustration from not having been able to set our collective hair on fire over Ebola, the CDC and now, Jesse Jackson.
    His approach to the Ebola issue is exactly the same as his approach to the Michael Brown case. I think looking for a fight is just his way.

    ::shrug:: It leaves me with a lot of commentary to scroll through without reading, I can tell you that.

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    As you are the (none / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:16:38 PM EST
    resident expert on said sh!t stirring I'll take your word for it and end here.

    Even though your speculation as to Anne's position is based on facts not in evidence.

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    Comments stating, that's all I have to say, or (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:22:39 PM EST
    I'll end it, which then conclude with a twist are most amusing.

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    Interesting coming from you (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:38:37 AM EST
    Since usually whenever someone comments on something, say about a criminal matter that might actually point to guilt, you are one of the first to holler about innocent until proven guilty and all that. I'm gonna bet if someone here kept pointing out say, the witness who said Michael Brown charged the officer, you would have a field day with that and scream ten kinds of things about "Not proven!  Other Evidence!"  blah, blah, blah.

    In this case, there have been, and continue to be investigations into what happened, but Uncle Chip has decided he knows what happened.  I guess he had some kind of camera at the scene or is all seeing and all knowing. To make definitive statements about what happened is ludicrous, as he has routinely shown to be, and now you seem to be joining him.

    Strange days.

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    I believe (none / 0) (#46)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:24:49 PM EST
    you have me confused with someone else. It is not my way to declare anyone either innocent or guilty. That's because I know I don't see guilt or innocence as a polarity but rather as a spectrum. Which is why I would not make a very good lawyer.

    This is not the first time you have put words in my mouth. Please note: the words I put in your mouth actually came from you. Then I used my brain and interpreted them. And I don't see Uncle Chip's opinions and analysis as any less valid than yours. If you consider not trying to shut him up is "joining him" then that's on you. Not on me.

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    i'm with oculus on this one (none / 0) (#78)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:40:49 PM EST
    for someone who accuses others of being sh!t stirrers, it seems you have taken up that mantle today.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#90)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:11:43 PM EST
    you're with oculus! That was part of my point.

    Oy.

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    And my point was (1.00 / 1) (#120)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:45:50 PM EST
    You have contributed nothing to the discussion at hand, and are just being a troll today.

    Oy is right indeed.

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    Why don't you (none / 0) (#92)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:13:36 PM EST
    pass on Cleo to jb?

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    Facts not in evidence (none / 0) (#11)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:59:28 AM EST
    Facts not in evidence

    Court is not in session yet, counselor, but the court of public opinion is.

    And just because court is not in session doesn't mean that a fact is not a fact.

    The SJ County Sheriff went out of the way to allow crime scene evidence to go uncollected. Just because that evidence won't make it into court doesn't mean that it wasn't relevant and factual.  

    BTW Both victims were killed trying to get away from the officers.

    Michelle was moving out and leaving her police boyfriend who didn't want her to leave, and Mike Brown was running from his Darren Wilson who just wanted to hold his hand.

    More facts not yet in evidence in both cases to come --

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    So (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:30:21 AM EST
    Once again, you are spouting what you believe to be true as absolute fact and everyone should just agree with you and accept that.

    Got it.

    Too bad that isn't in line with the mission of this blog.

    And sorry - if Ms. O'Connell was indeed killed and it wasn't a suicide, she was then killed by her boyfriend, who happened to be a police officer.  But I see why you want to make the semantic stretch to make your point.

    Too bad, once again, it isn't anything like Ferguson.

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    Once again (none / 0) (#32)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:39:15 AM EST
    Once again, you are spouting what you believe to be true

    So are you -- so back at you.

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    Scalia watch (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:38:54 AM EST
    Antonin Scalia Says Constitution Permits Court To 'Favor Religion Over Non-Religion'

    "I think the main fight is to dissuade Americans from what the secularists are trying to persuade them to be true: that the separation of church and state means that the government cannot favor religion over non-religion," the Reagan-appointed jurist told the crowd of about 400 people.

    "We do Him [God] honor in our pledge of allegiance, in all our public ceremonies," the conservative Catholic justice continued. "There's nothing wrong with that. It is in the best of American traditions, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. I think we have to fight that tendency of the secularists to impose it on all of us through the Constitution."



    Justice Scalia criticized members (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:54:30 AM EST
    of the Court who view the Constitution as being an evolving document and have a "living view of the Constitution."   Guess that is why Scalia apparently thinks our pledge of allegiance (b.1892) and inclusion of the words"under God" (b.1954) was set forth, by James Madison,  as a part of our Constitutional rights.

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    he sounds (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:24:15 AM EST
    like he would be right in place in the middle east.

    The government is supposed to be secular not a theocracy but apparently Scalia thinks differently and I also guess he is not bright enough to know that under God was put in the pledge during the 1950's.

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    For the sake of arguement (none / 0) (#17)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:40:44 AM EST
    I think Scalia's point is that we shouldn't be in a hurray to force religion out of everything.

    Would you argue we should remove the term "In God we Trust" from our money?

    Some would argue that and it's a bit much in my view and I think that's Scalia's point.

    His other point is that he's losing this argument anyway as bit by bit references to God slowly evaporate from society.

    That's OK too.   I think the fear would be if he was advocating the addition of God to daily life versus not advocating it's forced removal.


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    My thought (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:37 AM EST
    is it is an individual thing, best left up to the individual. My problem with Scalia is that he does not believe that.

    My question is why does the government need to justify anybody religious beliefs? And frankly I would think if you believe government is the problem not the solution then why would you want it to?

    I have no problem with kids saying grace at lunch at school but I grew up in SC with the forced religious agenda of the Southern Baptists so I see the other side of this and it's not pretty. It seems to me that a lot of people seem to want to return to that.

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    Great Point... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:24:46 PM EST
    ...the party that thinks the government is the problem just so happens to believe it's christian.

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    YES! (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:11:28 PM EST
    A thousand times yes.

    "Would you argue we should remove the term "In God we Trust" from our money?"

    I take great joy taking my Sharpie to US currency in my pocket whilst watching TV to obliterate that useless motto.

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    I would argue... (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by unitron on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:07:15 PM EST
    ...that unless it's accompanied by "all others pay cash", it never belonged on the money in the first place.

    I should also like for Justice Scalia to point out the exact words in the Constitution which permit the court to favor religion over non-religion.

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    Constitution Doesn't Permit or Forbid the Court (none / 0) (#133)
    by RickyJim on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:07:34 PM EST
    Defending his strict adherence to the plain text of the Constitution, Scalia knocked secular qualms over the role of religion in the public sphere as "utterly absurd," arguing that the Constitution is only obligated to protect freedom of religion -- not freedom from it.

    The constitution doesn't even explicitly say that the court can declare laws unconstitutional. I think he would argue that those who want to forbid the court to favor religion over irreligion have the burden of showing that the constitution forbids that.  I assume the proof, if it exists, has to do with equal protection of non believers under the 14th amendment.

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    Amen (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:42:08 AM EST
    Still (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:41:19 AM EST
    i absolutely love that his post Windsor ravings about the consequences of that decision for "traditional" marriage have turned out to be dead on.

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    All hail traditional marriage! (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:24:49 PM EST
    My mother, elder sister, brother and I have had ten of them between us.

    ;-D

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    Antonin Scalia (none / 0) (#65)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:09:17 PM EST
    is an embarrassment to American jurisprudence. I have written my US Senator numerous times asking for his impeachment to no avail.

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    ... is prospectively, when they are still nominees awaiting Senate confirmation. Only one sitting justice has ever been impeached in the entire history of the United States, Samuel Chase in 1805. He was subsequently acquitted at trial by the U.S. Senate.

    For that matter, only 15 federal judges have been impeached in U.S. history, the last one being current Congressman Alcee Hastings (D-FL) in 1989. And Hastings is only the eighth federal official to ever be impeached and removed from office.

    Aloha.

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    How do you know this Karnak? (none / 0) (#114)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:34:08 PM EST
    You are bad. (none / 0) (#154)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:01:39 PM EST
    I hold an M.A. in U.S. history. (none / 0) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:07:00 PM EST
    That's how.

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    Jeez, get a clue, Donald (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by NYShooter on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:18:38 PM EST
    the "Karnak" part wasn't a hint you were being teased?

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    No, it wasn't. (none / 0) (#177)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:33:16 PM EST
    NYShooter: "Jeez, get a clue, Donald[.] the 'Karnak' part wasn't a hint you were being teased?"

    But it might be a hint that I was being ridiculed and insulted. Karnak is the son of Inhuman priest Mander and as such, a nemesis of The Fantastic Four from the Marvel Comics series. (Yes, I have other interests outside of history.) And given's fishcamp's subsequent pithy remark about my Catholicism, I think I'll stick with my initial instinct.

    Aloha.

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    Donald please, we all love your (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:13:39 PM EST
    historical stories but no one including the Pope Himself could come up with all those historical facts and dates without some type of research.  I am in no way attacking your Catholicism and I myself am Catholic so let's get that one out of the way.  What irks me is had you presented any of those long and very interesting historical stories about all those subjects to a school professor without references, which we all use, you would have been bounced out on your plagiaristic butt.  Quite frankly I didn't care at all until you wrote word for word from Google about the Spyder Sabich Claudine Longet story.  You further embellished it with hideous stories about her being shacked up with her co-council while he was very much married.  None of that was true.  Google got it wrong and you made it worse.  I was there.  It took Spyder's brother and a court order to get her out of the house that I helped Spyder build.  Had the bungling cops not left the murder weapon in their car over night and not passed her diary around amongst themselves she would have been charged with murder 1.  So that's the reason for my recent attacks on your stories.  I am willing to end this sensless problem we are having if you will start using references or links to your stories.  Thank you in advance for your consideration.

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    I didn't plagiarize anything ... (none / 0) (#197)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:41:33 PM EST
    ... about Claudine Longet, and quite frankly, I resent the insinuation because plagiarism is a very serious charge.

    I'm 53 years old, which is more than old enough to remember very clearly what happened in Aspen back in 1976, and as someone who was very much into sports in high school, I happened to like Spider Sabich a lot. It was a huge story at the time, not just in Aspen. Sabich didn't deserve his fate, and I happen to believe that Claudine Longet most certainly didn't deserve to get off as lightly as she did for his death.

    And as someone who also likes Hunter S. Thompson, I also remember his remark about the Longet trial being the equivalent of Aspen fouling its own nest. So in that regard, I think that you and I very much agree about Ms. Longet. As I said, while I don't wish her ill, given that these events happened 38 years ago, but I'm hardly one of her fans.

    Google didn't "get it wrong." It's merely a search engine. If you have a beef regarding the truthfulness of the story about Longet hooking up with her married defense attorney, I would suggest that you take it up not with me but with British journalist Robert Chalmers, whose May 2013 article in GQ -- a magazine to which I subscribe, BTW -- had this to say:

    "Justice stares in the face of every resident of Aspen: a constituency that still includes Claudine Longet. She lives on Red Mountain - an expensive area, even by the ski resort's own competitive standards - with her former defence attorney [Ronald] Austin. The lawyer left his wife and two children to move in with his convicted client even before she had served her meagre jail term." (Emphasis is mine.)

    That, I will freely admit, I did not know until I read that article last year, which only further plunged my already low estimation of Claudine Longet deeper into the sewer. She was a social climber who used people, and she's a killer. So, let's please stop sniping at one another, especially when we really don't disagree about the subject matter in the first place.

    Aloha.

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    sounds fine to me Donald (none / 0) (#199)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:46:46 PM EST
    even  though I'm asleep awaiting the eclipse.

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    A sonambulist. (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:59:56 PM EST
    Congratulations Donald (none / 0) (#166)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:42:41 PM EST
    and that M.A. in U.S. history and being a practicing Catholic must be how you managed to remember all those fantastic historical stories and dates in your past posts about Catholicism.  It must feel good to have a memory like yours.  

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    Donald really does have (none / 0) (#198)
    by ZtoA on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:09:10 PM EST
    a super-human memory and mind. Kind of mind boggling (but great to read).

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#100)
    by ragebot on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:28:36 PM EST
    You should pay to have a billboard put up like the ones I use to see saying "Impeach Earl Warren".

    You would probably have about as much luck.

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    Never really expected any action. (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:26:34 PM EST
    I just like writing the letters. Also send one to Rick Perry every so often urging Texas to secede.

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    ISIS using control of water as a weapon. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Green26 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:13:14 AM EST
    Interesting article on that subject from the Washington Post.

    Crazy McCain (none / 0) (#15)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:33:06 AM EST
    While I think Obama sucks I must concede we wouldn't be better of internationally with this guy in office.

    What is he talking about?

    Is there anyone this guy wouldn't bomb?

    Assad is a maniac but what's the alternative?  

    This argument shows to me that our actions in Syria right now are pointless and we aren't accomplishing anything.

    Our only goal should be to protect the Kurds from being over run.   Other then that let the two or three sets of Bad Guys fight it out.

    Very true (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:39:12 AM EST
    Pondering for even a moment where we might be if McCain had been president since 2008 is enough to make even you "appreciate" Obama.  Note quotes.

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    I won't go there (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 10:43:04 AM EST
    For me he's been a McCain "light".  

    Plenty of bombing, lots of meddling and we're probably not any better off but I agree we'd be in just as big a mess if he'd been president.  Maybe it'd be a little worse, who can know.

    It sure wouldn't' be better.

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    Maybe the entire (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:30:39 AM EST
    Wall Street Journal opinion piece by McCain and Miss Lindsey makes their point as clear as a bell bomber.  But, that first part has the uncanny ability to cloud men's minds.    The boys like the bombing and "other actions," being taken for they are beginning to degrade ISIS but, something else is needed to destroy it--a policy, no, an effective policy, is needed to remove Assad and therefore, end, the conflict in Syria.  Sounds well thought out, right?  To be fair, it may  be that McCain just saw a photo of President Obama and Miss Lindsey had one too many mint juleps in celebration of equality coming to South Carolina.  

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    Have this from Miss Lindsey (none / 0) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:03:27 PM EST
    Sen. Lindsey Graham: 'I may just jump in' and run for president in 2016

    I think there is a contest going on here in the U.S. requiring the worse possible candidates to run for president in 2016.

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    A Clown Car Named Desire (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:30:16 PM EST
    For such considerations, rather than "I may jump in,"  I usually think of the expression: " I may throw my hat in."  But, given that dung heap, it is understandable that Miss Lindsey would prefer to soil his shoes.  

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    He's not thinking about that now. (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:12:41 PM EST
    He'll think about it tomorrow, at Tara.

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    The only way he could (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:38:13 PM EST
    Win is if he comes out.

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    I think the country may be (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:46:31 PM EST
    ready for a president and a First Lady in the same package.

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    Or, maybe he (none / 0) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:48:49 PM EST
    could win on an economy ticket. Save money on White House expenses, both President and First Lady.

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    Holiday decorations (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:00:30 PM EST
    will never have been so fabulous

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    Yes, and Miss Lindsey (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:52:30 PM EST
    can bring his nice rugs with him to decorate the Green Room.  On his shopping trip to a Baghdad market with McCain in 2007, Lindsey exclaimed that he picked up "five rugs for five bucks," as an indicator of the great progress that was occurring in Iraq, thanks to the sterling foreign policy of their pals, Bush and Cheney.

    Of course, the two shoppers were accompanied by heavily armed troops and a couple of helicopters, but it was, for Lindsey, a good sign of improvement that  he could steal a bargain from the war-torn shopkeepers.

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    Steal was the key word (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:17:56 PM EST
    in your comment.

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    may I just say (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:09:30 AM EST
    Leon Panetta should just STFU

    I Am Positive... (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:02:47 PM EST
    ...he is contractually obligated to push his book.

    It's funny how everyone is criticizing Obama's handling of Iraq w/o any mention of the cluster F that had US troop in the middle east to begin with.

    For them it's starts the day Obama got elected, not the day the we invaded a muslim nation for __ (please fill in the blank because I still don't know why).

    I guess republicans are programed with 6 year memories, cause none of them can go back any further in regards to Iraq and the economy.

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    He (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:10:04 PM EST
    shoulda shut tfu starting about 15 years ago... or more.

    But he kept getting gigs...

    Now he can read and sign in the Hotsintot Library in Flamingdale to lethargic neo-neanderthals and wind up an illustrious career of mediocrity.


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    That's only because ... (none / 0) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:30:07 PM EST
    lentinel: "But he kept getting gigs."

    ... I kept telling them that I'm not presently available.

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    For those of us who would like nothing better (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:42 AM EST
    than to take his fortune and fade off into the sunset, it is truly a mystery why he feels the need to write a book at all. But then I will never have that much ego.

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    Most people who pen their memoirs ... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 12:14:22 PM EST
    ... do so as an appeal to posterity and / or an attempt to set the record straight from their standpoint. It's not necessarily about money, and speaking as an amateur historian, I find such personal recollections and reminiscences to be invaluable to our overall understanding of events which occurred at a given time. The authors don't even have to be notable persons in their own times. Diarist Mary Boykin Chestnut of Charleston, SC proved a tremendous source as a civilian perspective on the rise, decline and fall of the Confederacy in the 1860s.

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    Not just memoirs (none / 0) (#112)
    by ragebot on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:26:17 PM EST
    Margaret Mitchell had a lot of accurate historical facts in "Gone With The Wind".  I am reading a book now about the real life character Rhett Butler was based on and his influence during the Civil War and the time after

    The Real Rhett Butler

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    I did not need another book to read (none / 0) (#119)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:45:35 PM EST
    but that is going on my list. Have you read the book about Mitchell and her husband, and all the detailed research they did for GWTW? Now the name of it escapes me, but it was very intersting.

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    Margaret Mitchell grew up in an era ... (none / 0) (#192)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:13:49 PM EST
    ... when people could hear Civil War recollections recounted first-hand by those who actually lived through it. Just my opinion, but I think that in many ways, "Gone With the Wind" reflects that personal experience of hers.

    Nowadays, Mitchell's style of prose may appear a little dated. And it must be said that some of her African American characters do lend themselves to caricature and stereotype.

    (Mammy, of course, can perhaps be partly excepted from that, because as a strong and very well-developed African-American character, she represents a rarity in the American literature of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Having practically raised Scarlett O'Hara from infancy, Mammy is an enduring maternal figure, and the one person in Scarlett's life whose love and approval she really and truly craves, even if it's politically incorrect for her to admit that publicly in the Southern white socials circles in which she traveled.)

    But at its core, "Gone With the Wind" remains immortal, despite the oft-stated desires of some of Mitchell's more vociferous critics. As such, it should rightly be considered an American literary classic and further, it's a book that's sort of hard to put down once you get started.

    Aloha.

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    That is true Donald (none / 0) (#118)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:43:39 PM EST
    Good perspective - I do love Mary Chestnut's diaries. If I thought Panetta's were going to be that honest and insightful I would feel differently. Maybe I am not giving him enough credit.

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    Mary Chestnut's diaries are fascinating. (none / 0) (#193)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:42:07 PM EST
    She enjoyed a genteel and privileged upbringing as a child of South Carolina planters. And as the wife of a former U.S. Senator from South Carolina who subsequently became an aide and confidante to Jefferson Davis, Mrs. Chestnut had a commanding front-row seat to the action, first in Columbia and later in Richmond.

    Her writings provide us with an invaluable socio-political recounting of the halcyon days of Southern white privilege, from the exciting and heady times of South Carolina's initial secession to the Confederacy's final agonizing death throes, as Union forces finally overwhelmed the rebels and overran the South. All told, they represent a monumental historical work, and they are a must-read for any true Civil War buff.

    Aloha.

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    To be fair (none / 0) (#73)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:30:36 PM EST
    you need to ask Mrs. Clinton and Bob Gates to STFU as well.  They have made the same points.

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    You are probably right (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:59:04 PM EST
    but for some reason Panetta has always just rubbed my rhubarb

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    Interesting article (to me) (none / 0) (#51)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    about how New England should switch time zones.  Link.  Here's a pretty time zone picture.    New England does stick it's head out in the east.  I could definitely do with an extra hour of sun in the evening, and there would only be a few days a year where I would leave for work before the sun rise.

    I think I'm gonna really miss working nights soon, just to have some free time in daylight hours.

    It never occurred to me that being all the way on the eastern end of our "zone" we get the short end of the daylight stick.  There are all sorts of economic reasons I'm sure it makes sense to be on EST.  But looking at the map, it might make sense to take NYC and Long Island with us.

    Or I could just move west/south.

    I wish we got more daylight in the winter here (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:49:00 PM EST
    in central FL, instead of in the summer. Winter is when we want to be outdoors.

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    A someone who lives (none / 0) (#74)
    by Slado on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:33:25 PM EST
    on the Eastern edge of the Central time zone I can relate.

    Once the clocks fall back it will start heading to sunsets around 4:30pm.  

    It is not fun.

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    It's been a hard adjustment (none / 0) (#80)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:43:11 PM EST
    Moving from the Detroit area to the DC area - it gets so dark so early here - even in the summer!  It still amazes me that 4th of July fireworks start at 8:30 or 9 - we couldn't have them at least until 10!

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    Combo of that (none / 0) (#96)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:19:49 PM EST
    and DC being south of Detroit too.  In the summer time, the further south you go, the earlier the sun sets.

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    I love the extra hour of sleep (none / 0) (#94)
    by CST on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:16:54 PM EST
    that one day - but I dread never seeing the sun for months after.

    From the article "Boston lies so far east in the Eastern Time Zone that during standard time, our earliest nightfall of the year is a mere 27 minutes later than in Anchorage. When it comes to daylight, we can do much better than Alaska."

    "On the shortest evening of the year, the sun sets here at 4:11"

    I dunno why I read this stuff.  It gives me anxiety.

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    The state was consolidated into the Alaska Standard Time Zone (GMT -9) in 1983, which was formerly known as the Yukon Standard Time Zone before an act by the Canadian Parliament switched the Yukon Territory to the Pacific Standard Time Zone in 1976.

    Prior to that, the only part of Alaska which observed Yukon Standard Time was the fishing town of Yakutat, on the northern edge of the Alaska Panhandle. Most of central Alaska (Anchorage and Fairbanks) was part of the Alaska-Hawaii Time zone (GMT -10), and the Panhandle south of Yakutat was part of the Pacific Time Zone (GMT -8). Nome, Kotzebue and the Aleutian Islands were in the Bering Standard Time Zone (GMT -11).

    The only part of the state that's currently not in AST is the Aleutian Islands, which are in our time zone (GMT -10), one hour later. Our time zone was also renamed the Hawaii-Aleutian Time Zone in 1983, when the rest of Alaska was consolidated in AST.

    Because it's literally on the eastern edge of the AST zone, Juneau shares your problem with daylight during the winter months, since it's nearly 700 miles east of Anchorage and 1,100 miles from Nome.

    This concludes today's installment of Useless Trivia.

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    And Wiki says Russia has 9 time zones:) (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:17:44 PM EST
    And at Vladimir Putin's directive, ... (none / 0) (#194)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 09:52:25 PM EST
    ... the Russian Duma last July voted to turn back the clock, literally, by abolishing daylight savings time throughout the entire country. This move came three years after the Duma, at then-President Dimitry Medvedev's directive, enacted year-round daylight saving time throughout Russia, which proved roundly unpopular with the citizenry.

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    Well, what we thought was good news (none / 0) (#75)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 02:34:29 PM EST
    about a dramatic increase in voter registration in Ferguson was actually a (huge) mistake; basically they were looking at the wrong column of numbers in a report.

    Instead of 3,287 brand new voters registered in Ferguson there are actually only 128:

    as of 5:00 p.m. Monday, October 6, 2014, the SOS advised us that there have been 128 additional voter registrations for Ferguson from August 9, 2014 to October 6, 2014.


    Which then begs the question (none / 0) (#137)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:11:51 PM EST
    if Ferguson residents are so unhappy with how they've been treated, and especially upset after the Michael Brown incident and the way the city handled that - then why AREN'T more people registering to vote?

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    First guess (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:17:53 PM EST
    They don't see they have anyone to vote for

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    Then it's a little hard to complain, no? (none / 0) (#144)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:23:46 PM EST
    There's been a ton of activity there the last few months, and while it's too late to get someone on the ballot, don't you think people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al could use their influence and organization to help groom candidates?  Isn't there anyone in town who wants to stand up now and say, "I want to run for office"?  Where are the ministers, the churches, the activists?  Or is it not worth doing because the tv cameras are gone?

    And to your point - if they think the current crop is SO bad (and apparently have thought so for a long time), then isn't there almost anyone else who would at least be marginally better?

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    have become defacto organizers, etc., will run for office, no?

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    Probably (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:32:21 PM EST
    I hope so

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    You'd think Brown's mom or dad would be (none / 0) (#153)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:50:45 PM EST
    shoe-ins.

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    I expect you're right (none / 0) (#148)
    by sj on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:27:20 PM EST
    the candidate slate is frozen now. They can't vote anyone out, only in.

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    Indeed, that is the question. (none / 0) (#142)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:18:13 PM EST
    A little reading about (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:23:25 PM EST
    recent, and probably less recent, electoral politics in the area would suggest why they might ask why bother.

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    Since they don't vote anyways (none / 0) (#147)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:26:35 PM EST
    And haven't in recent history, maybe you're right.

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    Get up early tomorrow (none / 0) (#103)
    by ragebot on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 03:35:37 PM EST
    Total lunar eclipse on Wednesday will be a rare 'selenelion'

    link

    For us lucky guys in the Keys, and some other places on the East Coast you will be able to see both the sun and moon due to the Earth's atmosphere bending light rays.

    The eclipse and super high and low tides were mentioned in another thread but this is just another reminder.

    Well the tide is now upon my lawn... (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:43:30 PM EST
    and the selenelion is yet to come.  Sounds like something Howdy would write...:)

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    If Celine Dion was on my lawn (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:48:41 PM EST
    i would close my windows

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    When you live on a boat (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by ragebot on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:49:06 PM EST
    extra low tide means running aground but high tide just means it is harder to run aground.

    But then I am one of those guys that thinks a house is a boat so poorly built and run aground so badly that it is pointless to try and refloat it.

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    Two more bans fall (none / 0) (#115)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:35:46 PM EST
    Idaho and Nevada.  look out Alaska, Arizona, and Montana!

    Yes, and we (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:07:11 PM EST
    can only guess what the reaction will be from former, half-term Alaska Governor, Sarah Palin.  Although, it probably will be difficult to top that of Oklahoma Governor, Mary Falllin. who de-cryed the striking down of her state's ban.  The divorced governor, whose ex-husband claimed she had an affair with the Oklahoma State Trooper  assigned to her as bodyguard while Lt. Governor, says she voted for the ban and continues to be in favor of "traditional marriage."

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    Good grief KeysDan... (none / 0) (#161)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:22:20 PM EST
    my ex wife lives in Tulsa and I can't wait to spring this on her, but I'm sure she knows.  But how high will the tide be down where you live?  Remember hurricane Wilma that crept into Key West from all directions and destroyed all the cars that were there.  We watched them go by on flatbed trucks for months on their way to Arizona and other unsuspecting locations only to poop out soon after being resold.  I doubt this high tide will be that disastrous but I guess you need to look in all directions.  These high tides are usually accompanied with a hurricane, but not this time.  Buena suerte compañero.

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    Juan Cole: Islam Isn't More Violent (none / 0) (#126)
    by RickyJim on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:53:50 PM EST
    Contrary to what is alleged by bigots like Bill Maher, Muslims are not more violent than people of other religions. Murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States.
     Link

    Ooops (none / 0) (#128)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 04:56:49 PM EST
    Figures Showing Huge Jump in Ferguson Voter Registration are Very Inaccurate -- 128 new voters not 3,287

    In a statement released early this afternoon, Senator Rita Heard Days, Democratic director of the St. Louis County Election Board, admitted that her office released wildly inflated figures in response to press inquiries about how many new voters have registered from Ferguson.

    Less than a week ago, Days' office reported that 3,287 brand new voters registered in Ferguson after the shooting death of Michael Brown on August 9. The figures seemed to show an energized voter base and the promise of political change in Ferguson -- the current mayor James Knowles was elected with only 1,324 votes back in April.

    But according to her latest release, Days' office is now putting that figure much, much lower -- it seems only 128 new voters have registered in Ferguson.

    This was posted about 4 comments up (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:01:27 PM EST
    but the difference in tone is interesting

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    How would you characterize the difference (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:07:38 PM EST
    in tone?

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    I liked yours (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:09:28 PM EST
    Coolio. (none / 0) (#138)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 05:13:09 PM EST
    Tone (none / 0) (#171)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:03:34 PM EST
    the difference in tone is interesting

    You'll have to take that up with The Riverfront Times.  Those are their words except for the "Ooops".

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    Which oddly (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:09:26 PM EST
    was exactly what I was referring to.   Read SUOs subject line.  
    I find a difference in tone.  But WTF do I know.

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    Watching the (none / 0) (#157)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:11:43 PM EST
    Cards game.  So far, not happy at all.  My blood pressure is rising.  Is it time for a drink???

    to pretty for the death penalty (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:15:09 PM EST
    In another riveting segment on Fox and Friends, two men debate whether a jury will convict a woman based on her looks. Dr. Keith Ablow feels a female jury would be more likely to give Arias the death penalty because male jurors might find her attractive and would be reluctant to sentence her to die.

    The psychiatrist said that there were even some members of the jury who fantasized about being with her. The blonde du jour on the couch said, "That's sick." Meanwhile, she claimed she was the lucky girl sitting between two such respected men. A woman should be there to be objectified, that's why Fox keeps a blonde sandwiched between two men every morning.

    Legal Analyst Arthur Aidala agrees. He feels that the jury was comprised of mostly men, if there was a fatherly or big brotherly connection, the jurors would likely not give her the death penalty.

    Ablow said
    "She is not, objectively speaking, too pretty to die...there are some members of those jurors who fantasized about being with her... You don't want to go where the money is which is looking at her in a sexual way."

    ????

    HA (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:38:12 PM EST
    to pretty to die/to ugly to live

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    It's Fox (none / 0) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:35:42 PM EST
    therefore it is ridiculous. They really should re-brand themselves a comedy and quit trying to be a news station.

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    Well sure (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:42:40 PM EST
    but jurors won't give her the death penalty because they fantasize about her?  Really?

    Even if it's true ....

    I hope they don't give her death but I will hope that for the next person.  What an epically ignorant way to use air time.

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    Inquiring minds want to (none / 0) (#169)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:54:47 PM EST
    Know why you bother w/it.

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    I read about it on crooks and liars (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:58:50 PM EST
    You think I watch it?

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    I am guilty of frequently (none / 0) (#175)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:19:55 PM EST
    mentioning google news headlines to my friends and asking if they can fill me in on the details. Here's a recent example:   XXXX bullpen springs a leak. (But that turns out [I googled, Fishcamp] to be a commonplace baseball headline.

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    Why are you frustrated (none / 0) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:00:44 PM EST
    that they don't make sense? They rarely make any sense. And again, it's sexism run amok from them--something they are quite good at. I guess if she wasn't attractive then she would deserve the death penalty according to Fox.

    PS. I don't think Jodi Arias is attractive but as the saying goes that is in the eye of the beholder.

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    Did any of that brain trust point out (none / 0) (#167)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:43:23 PM EST
    that if they were correct in their suppositions, it was yet another reason to abolish the death penalty as I possible to minister fairly?

    I suppose not.

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    Previously TV (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 07:24:25 PM EST
    What Franny did with Mommy today:

    ate/wore carrots

    diaper change

    visited Dead Dad's house to reminisce (Mommy), gnaw on seatbelt (Franny)

    had a talk about how Dead Dad was happy Franny was coming, and how Mommy tried to be happy too, but "with his being gone I can't remember why I had you"

    worked on holding my breath



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    I saw no reason to subject myself (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 06:46:19 PM EST
    to watching it.  I just read about it.

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    You know (none / 0) (#183)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 07, 2014 at 08:03:48 PM EST
    the answer to that. Of course, not that would require using reason and being rational which when you're all about selling fear and idiocy, it's something they are incapable of.

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    That the patient believes he was infected (none / 0) (#202)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Oct 08, 2014 at 09:07:19 AM EST
    in a certain way not associated with Ebola infections doesn't mean anything.

    Your attempt to stir up hysteria about Ebola would be risible if the disease itself wasn't so serious.  Hemmoragic fever viruses, which is what Ebola is, have never been documented to be spread by aerosol spray.

    In fact, the latest study published suggests that Ebola can't be transmitted by aerosols from primate to primate, which is the same mammalian order we humans belong to.

    Kobinger's current research demonstrated that infected macaques were unable to transmit the virus to uninfected macaques without direct contact. The study used the species responsible for the current epidemic of 1,700+ human infections. The two groups of primates were near enough where aerosols could have spread the virus through the air, but they were not able to touch. While the infected macaques died in under a week, the other two never contracted the virus.



    Jim - you're funny (none / 0) (#203)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 08, 2014 at 07:59:22 PM EST
    This proves two things:

        The virus can exist outside of a host for a substantial time.

        It can be transmitted via water and/or aerosol spray.

    I know you will acknowledge your error.

    Uh, no ... it does not.  It proves that you have absolutely no evidence to support your silly theory and you have trouble with logic.  The fact that the cameraman believes it's possible he got it while washing out a car isn't evidence.  See if you can spot the qualifiers in there (I made it easy for you).

    BTW - For the reading impaired, he was filming in an Ebola clinic.