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Two Brooklyn Police Officers Shot and Killed

Two Brooklyn police officers who were sitting in their patrol car were shot and killed by a lone gunman from Baltimore. The gunman shot himself in a nearby subway station. The Daily News has a graphic photo of him alive on a stretcher as he was removed from the subway station. He has reportedly since died.

The shooter, identified as Ismaaiyl Brinsley, boasted about wanting to kill cops in the hours before he ambushed the officers outside the Tompkins Houses in Bedford-Stuyvesant about 3 p.m. Saturday.

“I’m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours...Let’s Take 2 of Theirs,” Brinsley wrote on Instagram alongside a photo of a silver handgun.

Hours earlier, Brinsley allegedly shot and killed his girlfriend in Baltimore. Brooklyn police confirm both officers are dead.

Whatever the grievance with police, it is unacceptable and wrong to physically attack them. Vigilante justice is no justice at all.

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    I hold no brief for the guy who did this, (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by scribe on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 07:07:28 PM EST
    but the only things which surprise me are that this hasn't happened before, and that it doesn't happen more often.

    One of a close relative's favorite sayings was "if you kick a dog often enough, pretty soon it'll turn around and bite you."  I can't tell you how many times I've heard (or seen in print or on the TV) cops (or their supporters) going on about how the people complaining about being abused by police "are animals", that "they live like animals", comparing them to animals or subhumans, or otherwise treating the people they're supposed to be serving as less than deserving of full humanhood.  Chief Gates taking Nancy Reagan on a raid, then pointing out the young black men as "the worst of the worst", the source of all society's problems.  A beaming Christie Todd Whitman frisking some young black arrestee.  Republicans reveling in cops killing one or another young black men and engaging in rhetorical-logical gymnastics to justify anything the police do, video and witnesses notwithstanding.

    And then, when the police off one or more young black men we get the routinized invocation (in stentorian tones reminiscent of Jim Baker talking about The Rule Of Law Winning the night in 2000 that the Supreme Court installed Bushie in the Oval Office) of the majesty of law and justice and the regrettable trauma that removing criminals from society inflicts on the officers of the law.  So they can threaten us no more.  For your safety.  And, if as in Ferguson that means prosecutors deliberately putting people they knew would lie (but the lie supported the police) before the grand jury, so be it.  (That Ferguson prosecutor deserves an Oscar - Best Imitation of a Cop's defense attorney).

    Being a cop is a dangerous, thankless job. Cops   treating people, particularly in minority communities, as something less than deserving of respect winds up making it more dangerous and thankless, not less.  I don't like the idea of people taking revenge on cops, shooting cops, or fighting cops.  There are better things to do.  And these two, it would appear, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time wearing the wrong clothes.

    Like Amadou Diallo, for one.

    I'm definitely not happy about this, but I am also not surprised.

    Not a vigilante (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by toggle on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 07:40:18 PM EST
    A vigilante seeks to punish individuals for something they have personally done.

    This is more like a hate crime or an act of terrorism, violence directed at victims selected they are members of a class of people the perpetrator disliked.

    Act of terrorism? Hate Crime? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by nycstray on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 08:13:59 PM EST
    How about murder by an angry man . . .

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    Pribably not an act of terrorism. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 09:58:13 PM EST
    Possibly inspired by recent events. In most states it is a capital crime to murder a law enforcement officer.

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    So capital murder would be (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:32:32 AM EST
    the charge if he hadn't shot himself?

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    According to findlaw, NY State abolished (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:39:49 AM EST
    the death penalty in 2007 n

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    Every law like that is part of the problem (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:11:06 AM EST
    A huge part. Valuing a police officer's life above that of any other citizen is wretched, immoral, and a disgrace in supposedly the Greatest Nation on Earth. Supposedly.

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    When you murder a cop... (none / 0) (#60)
    by unitron on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 05:03:28 PM EST
    ...you not only take a life, same as with any other murder you might commit, but you do violence to society's right to enforce law, maintain order, and protect the public, just like assassinating the President, in addition to being a murder, is an assault on the institution of democratic elections and the right of the people to choose their representatives in government.

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    what if... (none / 0) (#8)
    by thomas rogan on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 09:31:51 PM EST
    What if I'm angry if I read about a black man allegedly raping a white woman in Staten Island but not getting charged with a crime and decide to go to Brooklyn and kill a random black man?  Didn't the KKK used to pull stunts like this?  Merely an "angry murder" or a hate crime?  You make the call.

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    Merely? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by nycstray on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:30:33 AM EST
    Never said that. And I'm not up on KKK stunts.

    When did cops become covered under the hate crime law(s)? And how does the female friend, who he shot earlier, in the day fit in?

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    A tragedy all around (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Dadler on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:09:48 AM EST
    My heart goes out to the families of these officers. RIP.

    "Allegedly" killing his girlfriend (4.50 / 2) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 06:47:45 PM EST
    prior to killing two police officers takes that retribution theory and tosses it right out the window, and turns it into "I'm toast, I'm taking others with me".

    The Obama years (1.00 / 5) (#26)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:37:11 AM EST

    The Obama years will be long remembered for the level of racial healing he brought to the country. Quite the legacy.

    It is rather remarkable (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:41:50 AM EST
    but not surprising that you would seem to try to blame a black president for the white racist backlash to his being elected.

    Par for the course I guess.

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    Yes, Obama was the target (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:19:38 AM EST
    Of racial prejudice, not its' enhancer.

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    Not blaming (2.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:59:50 AM EST

    Merely pointing out that part of his legacy will be the level of racial healing he brought to the country.  The hope for healing motivated many to vote for him.

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    As someone who has a multi-racial family (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Dadler on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:15:13 AM EST
    And as someone who has criticized Obama from day one and harshly, your comment is so full of holes it can barely be called a comment rather than just a giant hole. Use your imagination, Abdul, use it hard, to imagine what it must be like to have all that racial history laid at your feet to "solve."

    I can be disgusted with Obama's presidency, but in the case of race, I can understand the utterly impossible situation he perceives himself in.

    Which isn't to say I don't still think he's a coward too much of the time, but I can more than appreciate his predicament as a flawed, dysfunctional, and tormented human being.

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    I'm with you (none / 0) (#36)
    by Slado on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:27:37 AM EST
    First off expectations where way to high and while some of that was his fault I would mostly blame supportors and the media for thinking we'd turned some huge page.

    Secondly the economy tanked.  Not his fault.   He inherited it and in my view hasn't done a good job fixing it but that doesn't chanfe the reality that he came in on the ground floor of a mess.    

    Wha we can ask is since many of our racial issues have more to do with economics then racism it shouldn't be surprising that those who already felt the pinch are feeling like they're not getting a better deal as their situation feels worse and studies show that inequality is getting worse under this president.

    He personally for me has walked a very delicate line of being someone who cares about these issues but doesn't personally inject himself into them.   He's had a few missteps but who wouldn't?

    Point being that our racial issues stem from big sociological issues like poverty, family breakdown and out stupid drug war.   Unless you can fix all that in 8 years it seems hard to say he is somehow responsible for a breakdown in racial relations.

    I think time would have been spent attacking these individual issues as part of a larger vision of improving race issues but he didn't do that.  

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    The problem is racism is racists (none / 0) (#37)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:31:55 AM EST
    And the racism they preach, not poverty or any of the other factors you mention.

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    Everyone is a bit racist (none / 0) (#43)
    by Slado on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 12:01:32 PM EST
    We divide ourselves by race/culture early in life and it starts from there.  You can't define yourself by your race and then not expect to be treated differently by another race.   This is not a black/white thing but a human nature thing.

    Racial issues are deeper then simple prejudices and self identification that you me and everyone has.

    Racial issues come from the friction that inevitably results when two groups compete for the same resources and one group either wins or has some sort of historical advantage over the other.  

    Racism is when people are judge specifically on their race and race alone.   That's racism and I'd argue on an individual level we've greatly improved in that area.  

    What I am concerned with now is what I see as the infatuation with categorizing people by race.   Having race involved or being the major concern in all political issues.   As opposed to other factors like poverty, education level or culture.   Race is such a bad factor to really differentiate people because it doesn't really tell us much about that person.   To use it as an arguing point to me is racist because you have to lump different people into abroad category that can't possibly define them.   Just as the old racists of our past used to do.

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    I'm sorry for all the burdens you've carried (none / 0) (#48)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 02:56:53 PM EST
    In your people's name, but one day, you'll find that it was worth it to get to where  you are right now.

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    First thing you have said (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:34:37 AM EST
    in days that I agree with.

    Except this-

    I think time would have been spent attacking these individual issues as part of a larger vision of improving race issues but he didn't do that.  

    Whatever you think of him the one thing that should be clear is that he has had  a lot on his plate.   Well two things, if he had spent any significant time on racial issues the backlash would have been even worse.

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    My point was (none / 0) (#56)
    by Slado on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 07:52:53 AM EST
    These issues could have been addressed without making race the central issue because poverty and opportunity are just as big a factor.

    You are too cynical in looking back in hindsight.  If (and its a big if) he'd used one of his former freinds in the Senate like Tom Corbon to sell it from the economic and liberty side we could have gotten something going.   Just a theory.

    But that would have meant breaking from the classic two party script.   We need more investment or we need less without either party talking about the big issues that aren't  being solved by either approach.

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    Solve! (none / 0) (#41)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:45:37 AM EST

    I don't think anyone thought he would solve racial problems.  Healing just means making them better.  Like every other president on every other issue, he will be judged on whether he made racial problems better or worse, not for failing to come up with some magic perfect solution.

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    "Healing" takes time (none / 0) (#40)
    by Politalkix on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:36:16 AM EST
    Look at the life of Jesus (who was crucified) and the history of early Christians who were martyred and thrown to the lions for your answer. The legacy of Jesus was not defined by the people who hated him or his message of healing and peace.

    Look at the history of movements inspired by Gandhi, Mandela and MLK. There were many people whose vested interests they threatened who thought that they were "divisive". Time has proved those people to be wrong.

    This too will pass. History and legacy are never defined by haters.  

    I have intentionally made dramatic comparisons to make the largers point that even for the greatest souls that have ever lived among people, the healing that they sought did not occur instantaneously but over time, generations and in some cases, even over centuries.

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    I'm having Christmas dinner (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 06:07:15 PM EST
    With three deputies tomorrow because they have to work on Christmas.  This kind of thing is something they worry about.  These guys may be a bit racist around the edges but the do good work and the have families who depend on them.  I worry some times that the actions of a few may cause others to be harmed.  I couldn't agree with you more.   That quote is a pretty scary thing for people with cops at the dinner table even if they are yahoos.   I worry about this not being the last of this we will see.

    Cops as targets (none / 0) (#6)
    by Terry Ott on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 08:22:32 PM EST
    It's NOT surprising, scribe, as you say.  But there's another dimension to that, I think.  Context: I live in the downtown area of a major Northern city.  The African American population here is around 25-30% (in the city) and 15% Hispanic.  

    Just by reading the paper and watching the nightly news, one gets a definite sense that most of the violent crime is in sections of the city where the "majority" population is sparse, and where drugs are dealt most often in public places.  And most of that violence is between African Americans or as some say "black on black" and domestic violence.  By a sizable margin, though I have not researched it.

    Now, if I put myself in the place of a police officer, those are the scenarios I'm most often going to be asked to interject myself into. day after day after night after night.  It would be very hard for anyone in their shoes NOT to reach some conclusions about where their greatest risks are, and to be "edgy" as a result.  

    It must take great discipline and restraint to be "professional" ALL the time, which is what we demand.  I'd LIKE to think I could be, but I'll never be sure.  Some cops are going to cross the line every now and then.  That's a "fail" on their part, but the standard for them is very very high.   So, I am not surprised when it happens.  

    gee, what a shock, that there is a higher (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by cpinva on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:54:33 AM EST
    incidence of crimes committed by black people, in an area where they happen to be the majority of the population. go figure.

    let me throw this possibility out at you, just for giggles and grins: I bet, in an area where white people are the significant majority population, you'll find that they commit the majority of the crimes.

    what are the odds?

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    Not my point, cpinva (none / 0) (#20)
    by Terry Ott on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 03:37:58 AM EST
    In my city, a very disproportionate percentage of violent crimes such as stabbings and shootings and assaults are happening in predominantly African-American neighborhoods.  You can easily see it on published crime maps,  So when police are dispatched to or into those areas, it's not so much because of shoplifting, pickpocketing and purse snatching, drunken disturbing the peace or car break-ins.  It's often because a of a violent act underway, gang-related antics, animated threats, fights, and so on. And increasingly in my city, some angry man shooting on a street and a child or innocent bystander getting hit by an errant bullet. Or even by an "escaping" car at high speed.

    No matter the race or experience of the police officer, it's human nature then to experience more stress, be on edge and wound tight, be more focused on avoiding personal injury (or worse), and so on.  I think it's rather remarkable that there are not MORE incidents of overreaction and harm being done by police when they have to encounter this stuff so regularly.  They are not robots, after all.

    If the goal of someone is to intimidate police by targeting them for harm, it's regrettable but predictable that incidents of police acting too decisively/quickly in the heat of the moment will increase, not decrease.

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    Just the facts (none / 0) (#28)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:49:09 AM EST
    From the WAPO:

    It is true that the rate of black homicide victims and offenders were disproportionately represented compared to the general population, the 2011 BJS report found. The black victimization rate (27.8 per 100,000) was six times higher than the white victimization rate (4.5 per 100,000). Black offending rate (34.4 per 100,000) was almost eight times higher than whites (4.5 per 100,000), according to the report.

    Emphasis added.

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    Tragic. The alleged (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 08:51:36 PM EST
    perpetrator stated on social media he was going to kill police officers.

    Did he do this somewhere normal people (none / 0) (#19)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 03:30:57 AM EST
    congregate and would (hopefully) object or tell someone - or did he do this in a corner of the net where whacko bile and threats is the norm and his threats would look like the usual empty bluster?

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    Cops turn their backs on deBlasio (literally) (none / 0) (#10)
    by toggle on Sat Dec 20, 2014 at 11:04:25 PM EST
    defintely a class act. (none / 0) (#15)
    by cpinva on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:56:13 AM EST
    it's what happens, when you hire people with the mentality of 12 year-olds, to be police officers. it also might help explain many of their members inability to act like professionals.

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    This act of insubordination (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by NYShooter on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 02:56:46 AM EST
    should act as the tipping point, the irrefutable evidence that police departments across the country have bestowed upon themselves  the answer to the question regarding America's official chain of command.

    With that act, they were saying, loud and clear, "who's your daddy."

    It wasn't all that long ago that someone else forgot about that little thing called the chain of command.

    You remember a certain WW 2 General, the one who thought it was cool to keep the President of the United States cooling his heels at the airport for a short period while his highness, Douglas MacArthur, decided it was time to saunter on into the meeting?

    Whatever happened to him?

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    Insubordination is not turning (2.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:18:41 AM EST
    your back.

    Insubordination is the failure to follow a lawful order.

    Turning your back is a lawful protest by the police of the actions of the mayor and his handling of the protests.

    If you support one side doing that then you must support the other.

    Did the nationwide protests shown on TV and multiplied over social media cause the killing?

    No. That is too strong.

    Did the nationwide protests shown on TV and multiplied over social media influence the killer?

    Does the spending of billions of advertising dollars by politicians and businesses to influence voters/customers to buy their products work?

    Yes.


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    Nope (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:55:21 AM EST
    Because none of the protests or Media coverage had the message, "kill some cops somewhere" as a response to the deaths in Ferguson and NYC, so your point about advertising and political campaigns falls flat, as does most of your specious reasoning here when held to the light for closer scrutiny.

    Glad to clear that up for you.

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    You are denying reality (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 12:39:56 PM EST
    Does the spending of billions of advertising dollars by politicians and businesses to influence voters/customers to buy their products work?

    Of course it does. People receive messages and react. If they didn't no one would spend money on ads.

    Things go better with coke!

    Luck Strike Means Fine Tobacco!

    I'd Walk a Mile for a camel!

    Got milk!?

    The Pepsi Generation!

    Does that mean that the killer is not responsible?

    Of course not.

    But it does mean he was influenced.

    A user believed to be Brinsley posted threats against cops on social media prior to the shooting. Those threats were relayed to the NYPD by Baltimore-area police shortly before the shooting, which Bratton and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio both described as an assassination.

    HP

    The First Amendment grants us the right to peacefully assemble and petition the government.

    What we have seen is far far far from "peaceful."

    No one, especially those of us who lived through the 60's, should be surprised at what happened.

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    There have also been products launched (none / 0) (#46)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:54:49 PM EST
    With millions of dollars of publicity and advertising that flopped miserably, despite your,list of successful campaigns.

    Do you recall what happend with New Coke?

    Despite New Coke's acceptance with a large number of Coca-Cola drinkers, a vocal minority of them resented the change in formula and were not shy about making that known -- just as had happened in the focus groups. Many of these drinkers were Southerners, some of whom considered the drink a fundamental part of regional identity. They viewed the company's decision to change the formula through the prism of the Civil War, as another surrender to the "Yankees".[24]

    Company headquarters in Atlanta started receiving letters expressing anger or deep disappointment. Over 400,000 calls and letters were received by the company,[20] including one letter, delivered to Goizueta, that was addressed to "Chief Dodo, The Coca-Cola Company". Another letter asked for his autograph, as the signature of "one of the dumbest executives in American business history" would likely become valuable in the future. The company hotline, 1-800-GET-COKE, received 1,500 calls a day compared to 400 before the change.[14] Coke hired a psychiatrist to listen in on calls and told executives some people sounded as if they were discussing the death of a family member.[25]

    They were, nonetheless, joined by some voices from outside the region. Chicago Tribune columnist Bob Greene wrote some widely reprinted pieces ridiculing the new flavor and damning Coke's executives for having changed it. Talk show hosts and comedians mocked the switch. Ads for New Coke were booed heavily when they appeared on the scoreboard at the Houston Astrodome.[21] Even Fidel Castro, a longtime Coke drinker, contributed to the backlash, calling New Coke a sign of American capitalist decadence.[26] Goizueta's own father expressed similar misgivings to his son, who later recalled that it was the only time the older man had agreed with Castro, whose rule he had fled Cuba to Despite New Coke's acceptance with a large number of Coca-Cola drinkers, a vocal minority of them resented the change in formula and were not shy about making that known -- just as had happened in the focus groups. Many of these drinkers were Southerners, some of whom considered the drink a fundamental part of regional identity. They viewed the company's decision to change the formula through the prism of the Civil War, as another surrender to the "Yankees".[24]

    Company headquarters in Atlanta started receiving letters expressing anger or deep disappointment. Over 400,000 calls and letters were received by the company,[20] including one letter, delivered to Goizueta, that was addressed to "Chief Dodo, The Coca-Cola Company". Another letter asked for his autograph, as the signature of "one of the dumbest executives in American business history" would likely become valuable in the future. The company hotline, 1-800-GET-COKE, received 1,500 calls a day compared to 400 before the change.[14] Coke hired a psychiatrist to listen in on calls and told executives some people sounded as if they were discussing the death of a family member.[25]

    They were, nonetheless, joined by some voices from outside the region. Chicago Tribune columnist Bob Greene wrote some widely reprinted pieces ridiculing the new flavor and damning Coke's executives for having changed it. Talk show hosts and comedians mocked the switch. Ads for New Coke were booed heavily when they appeared on the scoreboard at the Houston Astrodome.[21] Even Fidel Castro, a longtime Coke drinker, contributed to the backlash, calling New Coke a sign of American capitalist decadence.[26] Goizueta's own father expressed similar misgivings to his son, who later recalled that it was the only time the older man had agreed with Castro, whose rule he had fled Cuba to avoid.

    [27]

    And what slogan was touted like the slogans you cited?  "Kill the pigs?"

    Thanks for demonstrating who is denying reality today.

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    You make my point (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 03:27:46 PM EST
    New coke flunked. The millions spent to bring coke back worked.

    The fact remains that billions are spent on advertising to influence the consumer and voter.

    It obviously works or else businesses and politicians wouldn't spend the money.

    And if "advertising" didn't work, why are the protesters screaming their message, flooding Facebook and displaying signs??

    I guess they are just wasting their time.

    Now, I say that the sun will come up tomorrow.
    Would you also like to argue about that?

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    First of all (none / 0) (#50)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 03:37:56 PM EST
    Political campaigns and products had account managers, people tasked with getting the 'Right' message across.

    Who are the account managers here?

    Answer: In the current social media environment, there are no account managers, no memes stressed, just a bunch of people sick and tired of being treated by cops.

    That you can't seem to realize this, is part of your problem.

    Again, I ask: If he was so influenced by the protestors, why did he shoot and kill his girlfriend.  Even your ridiculous theory can't account for that, can it?

    As always, no charge.

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    You continue to make my point (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 06:58:05 PM EST
    Advertising works and companies and politicians hire people to get the message they want out.

    The protesters depend upon the media, both mainstream and social media, to get their message out.

    Or do you think no one watches the news?? No one reads Facebook?

    With your denial that advertising doesn't work and that no watches the protesters your inabilities have become legend.

    Have a nice night.

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    You still haven't shown (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 07:34:15 AM EST
    How the news media and Facebook gave this guy the idea to shoot his girlfriend as well.

    Thanks again for demonstrating your inability to see this as more than a problem of marketing for the cops.

    No charge for the lesson.

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    It's called (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 09:05:30 AM EST
    common sense.

    And thanks for, again, making things up.

    Now, seeing as he killed his girlfriend in Baltimore, why did he write:

    I'm Putting Wings On Pigs Today.They Take 1 Of Ours....Lets Take 2 Of Theirs#ShootThePolice#RIPErivGardner#RIPMikeBrown This May Be My Final Post....I'm Putting Pigs In A Blanket

    and go to NY?

    He did so because the advertising campaign of the protesters, emboldened by the mayor and others, Sharpton, who disgraces the title of Reverend and amplified by the main stream and social media succeeded.

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    Now you've gone nutty (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 11:46:03 AM EST
    Advertising campaign?  Who were the account managers? Who created the message? Where were these ads run?  Who paid for them?

    I don't remember Sharpton calling for any violence towards he police, let alone calling for them to be shot.  Do you have any links outside of something like The New Black Panthers or the Revolutionary Communist party calling for violence against the police in response to the shootings?

    You're falling into the trap of this criminal, in that he created his justification from the ruckus of the anti-police protests for his own aims and to achieve some measure of posthumous glory, as he saw it.

    As my wife would put it, your analysis sucks big-time.

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    The ads ran on the news casts and face book (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 07:19:20 PM EST
    Paid for by the advertisers who paid for the broadcasts. The account managers were the mayor and Sharpton and the reporters created the message.

    And the killer was prodded into what he did by a continual and effective spewing of hate speech.

    And you should leave your wife out of this. The temptation for some really snarly replies is hard to resist.

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    Yeah, Sharpton and the others (none / 0) (#63)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 08:15:52 PM EST
    "Paid for them".

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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    Try reading (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 09:08:27 PM EST
    The news broadcasts and Facebook time/space were paid for by actual companies.

    And let me know when Sharpton pays the taxes he owes.

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    That a tax evader may still speak (none / 0) (#65)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 10:11:42 PM EST
    About other matters is interesting, but you are saying that he paid for ads on Facebook while owing the government money?

    That's pretty cold of Sharpton to do.  

    Seriously, I don't think he or these organizers paid for any ads encouraging people to shoot the cops.  You haven't linked to any of these ads, and if they existed a link would go a long way to providing, what's the word I'm looking for.......

    Oh, yeah, evidence.

    So far you have offered unsubstantiated assertions and no links or proof whatsoever.  Now is a time to show your cards, if there are any to show.

    One ad saying that violence against cops is acceptable.

    One ad.

    Is that really asking for too much, just one ad pro-violence against cops?

    Tune in tomorrow to find out, ladies and gentlemen, as we present yet another episode of

    "Jim is Always Right!"

    Starring:

    Jim as Jim.

    After a while, crocodile.

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    Don't be obtuse (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 23, 2014 at 11:23:50 AM EST
    or perhaps you can't understand simple english. That I would understand.

    The news broadcasts and Facebook time/space were paid for by actual companies.

    The proof is in two families mourning.. and even His Honor warned his son to not trust the police.

    And now he wonders what went wrong??

    Of course our seats of higher learning have also served:

    "i have no sympathy for the nypd officers who were murdered today. -- Khadijah (خديجة) (@punQros3) December 20, 2014

    lmao, all i just really dont have sympathy for the cops who were shot. i hate this racist fucking country.-- Khadijah (خديجة) (@punQros3) December 21, 2014"

    Remember, this is a young woman that the school has allowed to achieve a position of influence with students and the administration alike

    .

    Link

    Sharpton pretends to be a leader. Gesh.

    A leader that cannot follow is not qualified to lead.

    Reality has bit you in the behind. In fact it has clamped it's teeth in your derriere and is chewing away.

    Candice Bergen, a so-so actresses became famous in the 90's for having an out of wedlock child on TV and snarking at  the straights of the world about it.

    Woman,behold your children. They are now full grown and threaten all.

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    Oppps, here's the link, (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 09:07:19 AM EST
    My gawd. Two police officers (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 02:05:33 AM EST
    are dead, through no fault of their own and for no rational reason.

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    Yes, Oc (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 02:42:57 AM EST
    innocent people, of all stripes, are killed in America, by the thousands, every year.

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    Please (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 07:41:28 AM EST
    You are expecting the same degree of outrage for regular people?

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    Your attitude (none / 0) (#25)
    by Slado on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:22:54 AM EST
    Could be used to say the Garner and Brown incident are just as meaningless.  I mean thousands if Black men are shit and killed every year, by criminals and cops right?

    Not sure what you're saying.

    Are you saying all murders are only as relevant as the political points that can be scored off of them?   Kind of the Al Sharpton scale of meaning?

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#34)
    by Slado on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:17:38 AM EST
    iPhone auto words feature needs some work.

    Sorry for the sh#t word TL.

    Started using my IPhone 6plus exclusively lately and it gets me quite a bit by changing words.

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    FWIW, Android phones do the same thing. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 11:33:07 AM EST
    This type of attitude (none / 0) (#23)
    by Slado on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 08:18:25 AM EST
    Towards the police is not helpful.

    Like any group they can react improperly under stress.  Like some protestors did but name calling seems to show you're not really interested in solving this problem.

    Do all police officers have the brain of a 12 year old?  If not what percentage?

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    The percentage of those (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 09:33:16 AM EST
    Who kill unarmed civilians.

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    What about the intelligence of those unarmed (none / 0) (#45)
    by McBain on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 01:47:26 PM EST
    civilians who assault cops and resist arrest?  If we're going to talk about dumb decisions, shouldn't we start there?

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    I wasn't (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 02:52:36 PM EST
    Aware that the victim in the NYC incident assaulted the cop who killed him, or that resisting arrest and/or assaulting a cop should be justifiable homicide by the cop in question in every incident.

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    When you resist arrest.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by McBain on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 07:31:36 PM EST
    • You run the risk of being killed.  
    • Cops get nervous, scared and the adrenaline starts pumping.
    • Juries have a hard time indicting or convicting.  

    Bad things happen when you resist arrest. Along with all the criticism of what cops should do better, we should also acknowledge that none of these police killings would have occurred had the suspects been compliant.

    Chris Rock did a bit about how to avoid being beat up by the cops.  It's funny but mostly true.
    http://tinyurl.com/6swklxj  

    Warning: clip has foul languge

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    It a matter of proportionality (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 07:31:36 AM EST
    But keep doing a great P.R. job for cops everywhere, mcShame.

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    The stress excuse is getting (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 at 07:00:20 PM EST
    a bit worn out. I deal with stressful situations every day. At work and at home. But the doesn't give me license to kill without repercussions.

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    Assuming you don't work... (none / 0) (#61)
    by unitron on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 05:11:25 PM EST
    ...in Comcast's customer relations department, how often do total strangers want to kill you solely on the basis of your chosen profession?

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