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Does anyone think the proposed merger of Comcast and Time Warner is good for cable customers?

"Sometimes, to keep prices low, it's not just the actual competition that is important but also potential competition," said Sanjai Bhagat, a provost professor of finance at the University of Colorado at Boulder. "I don't know of any industry whereby having fewer players, the customers have been made better off."

The New York Times examines "cord cutters" and predicts cable companies will raise rates on internet usage, making eliminating cable less of a bargain for them.[More...]

Cable TV is already too expensive. It's also not consumer friendly, in the sense that we have to choose from packages with dozens of channels we never watch. Now that so many over-the-air channels are digital and HD, and with streaming you can get Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon, and You Tube, it's not surprising many are becoming "cord-cutters." But mergers may be bad for these folks as well. The New York Times article says:

Critics of the Comcast-Time Warner deal argue that it will eventually give Comcast the power to raise prices for its broadband and cable TV services and especially to hold its Internet-only subscription prices so close to its TV-and-Internet prices that few people will see much use in declaring their cable independence.

In other news, the FCC's cap on inmate phone calls finally went into effect last week.

Did NBC go too far in its interview with Bode Miller last night? I thought it was deplorable. I couldn't tell if it was the bad judgment of the reporter, or whether she had someone in the control room telling her through her earpiece to keep going. That Miller is defending the interview makes me wonder if he has a deal to become an NBC sports analyst after the Olympics.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Does it matter if they merge? (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by nycstray on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:20:56 PM EST
    Not like they compete in market places and give us a choice. In NY I was stuck with TW for cable and where I am now, it's a Comcast zone if I want cable.

    Voted for the AUMF (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 10:33:33 PM EST
    Not for "the war in Iraq" ... though I understand why some would like to pretend there isn't a difference.

    Your point has substance for me (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:44:43 PM EST
    It does not for my husband though.  In my husband's words, it was her job to define exactly how a President could take us to war and she did.

    I am able to make a distinction because her vote wasn't part of what sent me.

    He was sent though, and he is unable to make a distinction.

    But he approached her in Ireland when they were both traveling between Iraq and the United States, and he spoke to her, because he understood that things were not black and white and he respected her.

    He came away from that conversation with her genuinely liking her, but someone who served with him who was right leaning watched it go down and reported what happened to his rightwing commander who despised my husband after that....because he approached and talked with a Senator while in uniform, a Senator who served on the Armed Services Committee and was visiting his particular war zone.

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    I knew there wasn't going to be a difference... (none / 0) (#52)
    by unitron on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:22:05 PM EST
    ...(and I was just watching from the sidelines) so either so did she, or she was incredibly incompetent in not knowing.

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    Hillary discusses her vote for war (none / 0) (#57)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:44:51 PM EST
    YouTube

    Explain to me again what your point is?

    "This is your last chance.  Disarm or be disarmed" - Hillary Clinton 2002

    Only the most partisan hack can watch that speech and say Hillary was not voting to support this president to do,what he felt necessary to disarm Saddam.

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    Hillary the Hawk (none / 0) (#58)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:58:09 PM EST
    With this record maybe I should rethink her.   She seems to like to go guns blazing into any old country.

    I suspect that attitude will change come election time and the Hillarybots will forget all about her actual past.

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    My point is ... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Yman on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 06:51:24 AM EST
    ... your claim is BS.

    Anything else?

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    Even The Onion... (none / 0) (#195)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:41:30 AM EST
    ...knew there wasn't going to be a difference, way back in January of 2001.

    " Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'"

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    Well, if a satire site ... (none / 0) (#196)
    by Yman on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 06:10:58 AM EST
    ... like the "Onion" "knew" it, I guess it was settled.

    Heh.

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    Responsibility? Perish the thought, (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 10:48:15 PM EST
    Some days, it's like walking into the cafeteria to find a bunch of 5 yr olds lobbing jello and stewed tomatoes at each other...

    Between Tracy telling people to fk off, and christine finding new ways all the time to "forgive" and Donald failing people for not meeting the good citizen standard, and squeaky doing his best imitation of the Wicked Witch of the West ("and your little dog, too!"), it's hardly worth the time it takes to read these so-called comments.

    So, it's bedtime for me.  More snow supposed to arrive tonight - another fun commute ahead...yay?

    Anne, if anyone spends more time (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 10:51:57 PM EST
    energy and alphabet telling people to eff off using vanilla words than you do, I don't know who that is.

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    We never had stewed tomatoes, Anne. (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:13:05 PM EST
    The bain of my elementary school existence back then were those days when the school cafeteria served this god-awful corned beef hash and what had to be the skankiest and soggiest canned spinach known to man, which often reeked of old lawn clippings left in standing water for a couple of days -- and further, those two items were always served up together, too.

    How many times I wished for the courage to have just flung those two practically inedible substances into the air and at the wall, but the woman who was in charge of the cafeteria had to have been Seinfeld's muse for "the Soup Nazi," and she wouldn't have appreciated it.

    ;-D

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    I'm cleaning the thread (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:33:44 PM EST
    of all the name calling, insults and personal attacks.

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    Weather is probably (none / 0) (#185)
    by Amiss on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:20:16 PM EST
    the only good thing about Fla.and most days I cant even say that.

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    Recipients of the George Polk Award (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by shoephone on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:42:06 PM EST
    Oops, I left out Barton Gellman (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by shoephone on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:17:14 AM EST
    from WAPO, who shares the award.

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    Are you kidding?!? I hope you are! (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by the capstan on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:34:02 PM EST
    "Are you referring to examples of egregious government interference in the economy like the post WWII GI Bill?"

    I was in college with those vets.  They earned every penny of that education: flying over Berlin, storming the beaches of France, slogging thru the snows of Belgium, lying wounded in the hedgerows, liberating the death camps....

    And they paid us back in spades, so to speak--helping us rebuild a wartime economy into a booming peacetime world.

    Those vets did not have it exactly easy either--but they were happy to be carrying school books instead of rifles, living in quonset huts on campus instead of foxholes, with a wife who was earning her own Pushing Hubby Through degree while arranging child care for their long-deferred family.

    Nun, 84, to be jailed 2-5 years for Peaceful (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:55:32 AM EST
    anti-nuclear protest, along with two 60ish peace activist cohorts, a protest which was staged inside the pathetically secured Oak Ridge, Tennessee "Y-12" nuclear weapons plant.

    When guards of the National Security State klown-posse finally stumbled upon the three protestors, two hours after they broke in, they were found "hanging banners, singing and offering to break bread with them. They also reportedly offered to share a Bible, candles and white roses."

    Here's a much better link to the AP (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:05:59 AM EST
    wire service story, with a nice pic of the three protestors.

    One look at these three hooligans & malcontents makes clear that the judge was forced, forced I tell you, to hew to the North Korean penal code's sentencing guidelines.  Dissent must be crushed.


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    She got half the maximum (none / 0) (#141)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:30:51 AM EST
    and since the nun asked the judge to sentence her to life, comparing it to North Korea is a bit of a stretch.

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    Damn... (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 08:52:55 AM EST
    that woman takes her Jesus teachings seriously, and how so few there are of those...god bless her.

    I usually admire your moderation CG...but moderation in the face of cruel and unusual is no virtue.  "It coulda been worse" is really no consolation here.  Sh*t the prosecutor himself said all the protestors really did was destroy the "mystique" of the "Fort Knox of Uranium".  That's no crime, the crime is even having a "Fort Knox of (weapons grade) Uranium" to be protested.  Who do we charge for that mess?

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    Well kdog (none / 0) (#144)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 09:30:23 AM EST
    it looks like they wanted to be caught and arrested. They hung around for 2 hours waiting to be discovered. Common sense would have been, pull your prank and hit the road.

    As for taking her Jesus teachings seriously, I'll put this trio right up there with Westboro Baptist for lacking between the ears. But to be fair, I'm an agnostic that thinks most religions lack any common sense.

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    Westboro? (none / 0) (#145)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 09:49:46 AM EST
    That's a low blow.

    Sh*t if anything these three have too much going on between the ears...and that's what gets them in trouble.  I can somewhat relate;)

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    If they haden't gotten arrested (none / 0) (#146)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:12:21 AM EST
    the message, the statement they were making would've gone straight down the memory hole..

    ..A memory hole guarded by one of the many public relations firms contracted by the Department of Defense.

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    Understood... (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:21:44 AM EST
    They wanted to be arrested.  Without the arrest, it never happened.

    I guess I'm saying just because the concientious protestors wanted to be arrested & convicted doesn't mean we had to do it.  Sh*t if the state really wanted to punish them, they shouldn't have pressed charges...but nobody ever said the man was as sharp as he is cruel and unusual.

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    Then there is no problem (2.00 / 2) (#148)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:23:04 AM EST
    They got exactly what they wanted...their 15 minutes of fame, arrest, and jail time.

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    15 minutes of fame.. (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:37:31 AM EST
    Really?

    You think that was all that motivated them to do what they did?

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    No, there is a problem... (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:53:23 AM EST
    The problem is they wanted what they wanted, to in effect be tortured, since it's the only effective way to make change...crucifying your-damn-self.  

    I'd call that a major obstacle to meaningful positive change, and hence a big f8ckin' problem...maybe our biggest.  And an old one too...old as time.  

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    One Short Sentence for a Woman... (none / 0) (#153)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:55:37 AM EST
    One Giant Leap for American Authoritarianism...

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    I'm the "guest napkin artist" today @... (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Dadler on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 01:01:08 PM EST
    Silk Stalkings (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:17:40 PM EST
    Do tell.

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    Here's what I remember (none / 0) (#174)
    by Dadler on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:18:20 PM EST
    My story was rewritten into even stinkier horsesh*t by the exec producer/head writer. Example: I wrote a stage direction that went something like, "She walks down the stairs in a tight wedding gown, tempting him and frightening him at the same time." That was changed to "She walks down the stairs wearing as little as she possibly can on commercial television." I actually felt bad for the actress because it was so awful.  

    So it went.

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    At First I was Thinking The Stalker... (none / 0) (#178)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:45:42 PM EST
    ...which I absolutely loved, then I looked it up, turns out I was thinking of The Night Stalker with Kolchak.

    Silk Stalkings rings a bell, but I don't remember ever seeing it.

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    And pray tell, what's WRONG with ... (none / 0) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 04:21:36 PM EST
    ... her walking down the stairs wearing as little as commercially possible?

    ;-D

    And speaking of stinky horse$H!+ on television, that reminds me of the time my then-68-years-young state senator boss and I were invited by the 65-year-old producer of "Baywatch" to visit with him at his mansion on Kahala Ave., because he was lobbying for a $5 million state subsidy for the show which he ultimately didn't get.

    Upon entering his place, we were immediately confronted by a 10-ft. tall, full frontal nude Playboy centerfold-style portrait of the old gentleman's 28-year-old wife, which directly faced the front door in the foyer so you couldn't miss it. My boss glanced at me with that look of hers which told me that she was dearly tempted to say something snarky, and then thought the better of it.

    Later on, when the producer called his wife downstairs to introduce her, my boss graciously replied to the woman in that Texas sweet-but-snide manner of hers which only I picked up on, "You know, I feel like I already know you."

    After we bid our adieus to the couple and left, and once safely in my car, my boss turned to me and said, "Now I know what the inside of a bordello looks like."

    She passed on in 2012, and I do miss her earthy sense of humor.

    Aloha.

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    That's a g-damn funny story (none / 0) (#206)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:49:40 AM EST
    I fold, you have me beat. ;-) Hope all's well on Oahu. Mi madre owns a condo in Kona on the Big I. We haven't been there in a few years. I think it's time again. Peace out, my man.

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    Silk Stalkings. (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:25:54 PM EST
    Stalking and Stu Segall were customers of mine for many years...

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    Small world (none / 0) (#173)
    by Dadler on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:15:49 PM EST
    Very silky, as they used to say back at the head office at Steven J. Cannell Prods. So long ago, egad.

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    Your bio was as funny as the napkin... (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:36:58 PM EST
    "several demons" - I think we all have at least a couple of those along for the ride.

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    Anyone following the debacle going on (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 01:32:58 PM EST
    in the County Attorney's office in Missoula, Montana?

    The U.S. Department of Justice says it has uncovered "substantial evidence" that sexism in a Montana county attorney's office has led to prosecutors dropping rape cases and belittling victims.

    In a 20-page letter sent to Missoula County Atty. Fred Van Valkenburg, federal attorneys said rape victims had been "treated with disrespect, not informed of the status of their case, and re-victimized by the process."

    For example, federal officials said, when one mother asked a county attorney why an adolescent boy who assaulted her 5-year-old daughter had only received two years of community service, the attorney responded, "boys will be boys."

    Federal investigators added that Missoula prosecutors had failed to pursue "nearly every case" where a mentally or physically disabled woman claimed sexual assault, "even in cases where there was evidence such as a confession or incriminating statements by the perpetrator."

    The county attorney is, of course, livid and in full denial mode.

    "Boys will be boys?"  Jesus.  

    No (none / 0) (#166)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:06:20 PM EST
    had not seen this but something similar happened to someone I know in Forsyth County here in GA. They refused to press charges. Forsyth County is so massively corrupt it's not funny. This problem maybe more widespread than we like to think.

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    Didn't A Judge Get Forced Out... (none / 0) (#167)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:16:29 PM EST
    ...last year over a teacher and underage girl 'relationship' in Montana ?  The teacher admitted to raping the girl, who later took her life, and got a suspended 30 day sentence.  LINK

    That was huge news.

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    Right up there with (none / 0) (#171)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:07:49 PM EST
    this:

    At Evangelical College, Woman Who Was Assaulted Is "Responsible for What Happened to Her"


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    Another bad idea (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:49:16 PM EST
    From the WaPo, via FDL:

       The Department of Homeland Security wants a private company to provide a national license-plate tracking system that would give the agency access to vast amounts of information from commercial and law enforcement tag readers, according to a government proposal that does not specify what privacy safeguards would be put in place.

        The national license-plate recognition database, which would draw data from readers that scan the tags of every vehicle crossing their paths, would help catch fugitive illegal immigrants, according to a DHS solicitation. But the database could easily contain more than 1 billion records and could be shared with other law enforcement agencies, raising concerns that the movements of ordinary citizens who are under no criminal suspicion could be scrutinized.

    FDL (linked above, with embedded excerpt from WaPo article):

    But don't worry, all the information will be held by a private corporation relying on a government contract. I'm serious, that was the defense given of this program by an actual government spokesperson.

       The database would enhance agents' and officers' ability to locate suspects who could pose a threat to public safety and would reduce the time required to conduct surveillance, ICE spokeswoman Gillian Christensen said.

        "It is important to note that this database would be run by a commercial enterprise, and the data would be collected and stored by the commercial enterprise, not the government," she said.

    Don't you feel better? The information will be in private hands, like Koch Industries. The government won't store the information, they will just retrieve it whenever they want from a government contractor - that preserves privacy somehow. It's not a surveillance state, it's a corporate capitalist surveillance state. Progress.

    Off-grid sounds better every day, doesn't it?

    Oh, c'mon, Anne! (none / 0) (#179)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:51:20 PM EST
    Simply everyone knows that government isn't the solution, rather it's the problem. Besides, what could possibly go wrong with the feds' hiring of a private contractor to handle our personal information?

    As our shampoo bottles say, "Lather, rinse, repeat."

    ;-D

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    I take it (none / 0) (#189)
    by sj on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:00:56 PM EST
    that, other than the commercial warehousing of information, you have no problem with the DHS having access to every move you make.

    Seriously? That ridiculous "smiley" face?

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    ;-D

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    Nah, not really (none / 0) (#214)
    by sj on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:26:00 PM EST
    I understand that that's what you were going for. It just seemed to me that you were choosing to snark against the "lesser" evil (the privatization of the data) and letting yourself ignore the greater evil (the actual collection and existence of the data).

    I am admittedly very privacy oriented and your apparent blinders really rubbed me the wrong way last night. Today I would just ignore your comment as Donald-typical.

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    Never mind (none / 0) (#184)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:19:28 PM EST
    I have zero (none / 0) (#190)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:50:11 PM EST
    belief that a national tracking database won't soon exist, what might be canceled is the public knowing about by use other than DHS or NSA.

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    If you read nothing else this evening, (5.00 / 3) (#187)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:57:58 PM EST
    you should go over to digby's and read the JFK speech she's excerpted.

    Here's the part that really moved me:

    ...I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:

    I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

    [snip]

    Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies....

    Digby:

    The conservative movement eventually succeeded in destroying that label and making it something shameful for average Americans to wear openly. ("I'm not a liberal or anything, but ...") So we became progressives. And that's fine, I guess. What's in a name, right? But it's still interesting to revisit what it meant half a century ago at the height of what people like to call the liberal consensus (something which obviously didn't really exist since the 1960 election was essentially a tie.) That speech is such a bold ideological statement, something you never hear Democrats do in the modern era. They hem and they haw and run from anything that might put them into a particular category they believe might offend some median voter out there whom they think could be persuaded to vote for them if only they were presented with a bucket of warm milk on the ballot.

    Nothing I can add to that - it speaks for itself.

    Perfect. (none / 0) (#188)
    by shoephone on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:51:36 PM EST
    Thank you.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 280 (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:07:57 AM EST
    For the Folks Who Didn't Get the Reference (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:31:35 AM EST
    Pu$$y Riot being whipped/flogged by Cossacks VIDEO.

    I guess it's better than being shot, tazed, or whatever fun things the cops like to do to illegally singing rioters.

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    Matt Taibbi joins Greenwald & co. (5.00 / 2) (#208)
    by shoephone on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:56:19 AM EST
    Taibbi is leaving Rolling Stone for First Look.

    This is just getting better and better.

    Wow...makes me wonder if (none / 0) (#209)
    by Anne on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:12:45 PM EST
    someone like Charlie Savage (NYT) can be far behind.

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    He'd be a good fit (none / 0) (#210)
    by shoephone on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:33:55 PM EST
    I think First Look is gearing up to be a real contender in journalism, much to the chagrin of those who are committed to supporting the military-industrial-intelligence complex. I'm expecting to see a couple more gutsy foreign reporters added to the staff list.

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    Even his farewell (none / 0) (#216)
    by sj on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:52:13 PM EST
    was classy as he deflected the focus from himself:
    There were times when I would think about the great reporters and writers who've had the same job I was so lucky to have, and it would be almost overwhelming - it was like being the Dread Pirate Roberts.
    I love, love the roster of First Look.

    Just keeping on eye on the founder, that's all.

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    I cut the cord (none / 0) (#1)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:09:18 PM EST
    from Comcast TV about 4 months ago and put a digital antenna on top of my house. I have more than enough programming to watch through the airwaves, Hulu and Amazon Prime. I also buy what I want to watch to from Amazon (like Justified). It may cost me more in the long run, but I only buy what I want to watch.

    Unfortunately my Internet provider is also Comcast, and I see nothing but rate increases coming with this merger. I have hated being a Comcast customer ever since they took over the local cable company Suscom. They always thank me for "choosing Comcast" whenever I speak to anyone on the phone. I always reply I didn't "choose" Comcast, they chose me. And they aren't my choice at all.

    Been getting solicitations from a local provider called Double Dog. If they can give me a good pitch and some assurances of reliability, I'll cut the cable completely. I care more about reliability than cost but the big plus is finally ending my relationship with Comcast.

    Using DSL from Verizon (none / 0) (#8)
    by Coral on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 01:47:32 PM EST
    I hate Verizon and Comcast almost equally. I pay as I go on TV shows, mostly don't watch. But if Comcast has a virtual monopoly both on cable TV and Internet, they should be nationalized and/or heavily regulated as a common carrier.

    I'd like to see the federal govt run fiber throughout US and provide a low-cost Internet access.

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    Paragraph re FCC is confusing. The FCC (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:22:03 PM EST
    implemented a cap on the rate, not the number of calls.

    The Bode Miller interview (none / 0) (#4)
    by fishcamp on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:48:40 PM EST
    was a bit much but count on the fact that Cristin Cooper was being told to ask those questions.  She's a very nice Aspen girl that was on the US Ski team and is a friend of Bode's so I would guess they discussed those questions at the very beginning of the Olympics since it was hoped he would medal.

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    Lyndon (none / 0) (#5)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 01:23:15 PM EST
    The Times has been reporting for the last few days about attempts being made at this time to try to put a bit of a shine on the Lyndon Johnson presidency.

    Look at the domestic achievements they say.
    It is unfair that Lyndon's legacy is overshadowed by the war in Vietnam.

    In my opinion, the horrific war in Vietnam, which made our soldiers do horrific things, interrupted the lives of thousands of young people, killed 55,000 young Americans, maimed many thousands more, poisoned thousands more, and killed thousands upon thousands of Vietnamese deserves to overshadow absolutely everything.

    Not only was the War in Vietnam a nightmare, but it set the table for evildoers like Bush to mimic the manner in which it was foisted upon us:
    Lies.

    It also began the narrowing of the moral gulf that had seemingly existed between us and WW2 Germany. This is a process that accelerated exponentially under GW Bush - but the model had been formed by the Johnson administration.

    Add to that the demise of Hubert Humphrey who belatedly tried to distance himself from Johnson, only to lose to Nixon - who had a "secret plan" to end the thing.

    Nixon - another nightmare that need not have happened.

    No.

    For me, Johnson deserves all possible recrimination.

    And until we openly acknowledge what he and his motley crew did to our country, we are doomed to have this scenario repeated and repeated: A country is declared to be evil; We are then told that they have attacked us, or are about to do so; We are then called upon to give up our children to the enterprise of war - and to further abandon any moral ground we once held.

    I also think, from what I have read, that Mr. Johnson was a bit of a loon - naming everybody after himself - and subjecting his staff to embarrassing behavior.

    This man deserves to be condemned.
    There are zero saving graces, imho.

    You decline to give him any credit re (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 01:35:08 PM EST
    his achievements as to domestic policy?

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    No. (none / 0) (#10)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 02:36:55 PM EST
    I know this is extreme, but for me it is like talking about how on time the trains were in WW2 Germany.

    How can we trade the life of a loved one, thrown away for lies, for nothing - what domestic achievement is that worth?

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    I've mellowed a bit over the years when I (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 04:31:27 PM EST
    became more aware of the fact our involvement in Vietnam preceded LBJ.

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    It started when we supported France's (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by magster on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:02:38 AM EST
    re-colonization of Vietnam despite the aid given by Ho Chi Minh and others in fighting against Japan.

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    Ah, colonialism... (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:26:45 AM EST
    ...we have it to thank for so many things that come back to bite us time and time again in the last century or so.

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    The war (none / 0) (#21)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 05:08:54 PM EST
    began to rage when Johnson & Co. lied to us about
    the "incident" in the Gulf of Tonkin. In fact, no attack happened.

    I don't see how any knowledge about the "advisors" sent there prior to 1964 could mellow one towards the cynical manipulation by the Johnson administration of the Congress and the country.

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    Do we know for sure... (none / 0) (#51)
    by unitron on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:15:20 PM EST
    ...that Johnson himself knew that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was not what the military was saying it was at the time?

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    Yes. (none / 0) (#62)
    by lentinel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:29:34 AM EST
    Google it.

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    Over time (none / 0) (#23)
    by christinep on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 06:15:47 PM EST
    I've also mellowed on the LBJ legacy (sort of like oculus.)  My mellowing surprises me more than I can recount in this short space.

    As one who was active from the mid-60s in the anti-war movement, I always assumed that LBJ should be consigned to the garbage pile of history based upon Vietnam.  As I have aged and watched other attempts at changing legislation that changes a nation for the better--see, especially, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Medicare--the importance of how and what LBJ actually accomplished for multitudes of people in American history really strikes me as something that cannot be minimized.

    The words that keep popping up for me:  The sacred and the profane.  Or:  People and Things and Time are not one-dimensional.  I have given up trying to weight the domestic program against the foreign policy travesty of Johnson.  Taken together, they display the complexity of his Presidency.  I am saddened (and still angry) about Vietnam; I find cause for a different hopefulness when thinking about the very full domestic agenda at that time.

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    I'm (none / 0) (#25)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 07:56:12 PM EST
    sure that Hitler was multi-dimensional too.

    Members of his staff were deeply concerned about his personal torment when things began to go wrong.

    He was kind to dogs.

    He gave the German people, who had experienced humiliation at the defeat of WW1 a new sense of identity.

    He sponsored the Volkswagen. A car for the people.

    Anyone can play this game.

    I don't wonder that you are surprised that you have mellowed towards Johnson. You should be.

    If I were to mellow towards that man who ruined an entire generation I would be more than surprised. I would figure I had lost my marbles.

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    Not everyone who does wrong is Hitler (none / 0) (#30)
    by christinep on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:38:19 PM EST
    lentinel: I think that your comments are over the top on this subject.  Though, I must admit, what the attitude conveys is similar to such animosities as what led to the Serbian-Bosnian war in the '90s ... and the holding on to hatreds that can lead to the perpetual war that you profess to disdain.  Think about it.

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    She got ya, Lentinel. (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:03:15 AM EST
    Argumentum ad Hitlerum trumped by Argumentum ad Bosnia-Serbian Atrocitium.

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    I am not (none / 0) (#64)
    by lentinel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:35:22 AM EST
    making an analogy of Johnson to Hitler - although I do feel that one could legitimately be made.

    Think of all the Vietnamese burned alive by Johnson's napalm.

    The point I was making was that people, especially partisan nationals, can rationalize anything and anybody.

    I watched Germans do that reminiscing about Hitler in documentaries.

    Johnson deserves no makeover.
    No reconsideration.
    No probing into his troubled psyche.

    He did what he did and he is stuck with it for eternity.

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    We came out of WWII with (none / 0) (#159)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:20:35 AM EST
    a triumphalist psychological mindset as if we had ridden the world of purest evil..than we went looking for more pure evils like St George in search of another dragon -- which led to a holy warrior-like obsession with the domino theory coupled with a crypto-racist, paternalist belief that the the little yellow and brown people of the world couldn't take their country's sovereignty into their own hands.    

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    What achievements? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 09:42:41 PM EST
    While no one can quibble with his work on civil rights his War on the Poor was and is a complete failure.

    Unless of course your goal was to increase poverty and dependence on government.

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    Speaking once again as someone ... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:32:44 PM EST
    ... as someone who lost his father in the Vietnam War -- by sheer coincidence, 50 years ago this very weekend -- I find your continued self-righteous anger on this particular subject to be both annoying and ultimately pointless. Whether it's Obama or LBJ or FDR, it's like you live simply to see only the ill in people and / or note their errors and mistakes, and then roundly criticize and condemn them for it.

    Many of us who are the survivors of that war's deceased have long since taken the lessons of Vietnam to heart, but have also found it within our hearts to forgive those once in authority whose flawed judgments led to such profound and needless tragedy. We needed to do so in order to move on with our lives.

    It's a damned shame that you appear incapable of doing the same. Your ad hominem vitriol reflects more upon you, than upon the objects of your wrath and scorn.

    Have a nice evening.

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    Thank you, Donald (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by christinep on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:54:13 PM EST
    For having the wherewithal to say what I lacked the strength to do.  So much of the long, long lasting sad effects of warfare is seen in the consuming hatred that lentinel reflects here.

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    I figured amongst the regulars here, you are the (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 09:09:20 PM EST
    most qualified to comment on this subject.

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    Donald, (none / 0) (#65)
    by lentinel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:39:09 AM EST
    I am astonished that you attribute what happened to the many killed by Johnson's war in Vietnam to "flawed judgements".

    They knew exactly what they were doing, witnessed the devastating consequences, and kept right on doing it.

    I am truly saddened by your loss, and admire you for the manner in which you have been able to cope with it.

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    ... that senior officials with both the Johnson administration and the Pentagon were viewing the conflict in Indochina primarily through the warped prism of the Cold War-era zeitgeist, in which North Vietnam was simply a proxy for the Soviet Union, and not as the war of liberation which it actually was.

    That most fundamental misunderstanding of the innate nature of Vietnam's successive wars with Japan (1940-45), France (1946-54) and the United States (1959-75) was the primary reason why American policy makers were never really able to fully grasp the reality of the situation on the ground over there.

    Because of it, we badly underestimated North Vietnam's capacity and willingness to sustain enormous losses in order to obtain its objectives, while just as grievously misjudging our own people's resolve to sustain a major war effort for an indefinite period of time.

    And as recent history and the subsequent rapprochement between our two countries have shown, Vietnam's rulers were hardly wedded to strident Cold War Marxist ideology.

    Within five years of the end of their war with the United States, the North Vietnamese turned on both of their erstwhile regional allies, the People's Republic of China and Cambodia's Khmer Rouge, and fought short, brutal wars with both. The Communist Party was simply their means to attain their goals, which were Vietnamese independence and the end of colonial rule and foreign domination in the region.

    If you're going to comment on issues of war and peace, lentinel, I suggest that you read and study Sun Tzu's The Art of War, from which I'll paraphrase one of its primary lessons:

    • When you know your enemy as well as you know yourself, you will be successful in battle.

    • When you know yourself but not necessarily your opponent, sometime you will triumph, and sometimes not.

    • But if you don't fully understand the strength and nature of your enemy, while simultaneously misidentifying your own goals and objectives for the coming conflict, that's a tried-and-true recipe for national disaster.

    Aloha.

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    I guess it's a sort of cold comfort... (none / 0) (#194)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:30:54 AM EST
    ...that Russia and Red China got just as suckered into looking at Vietnam with cold war googles as we did.

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    Yes, they did. (none / 0) (#212)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:05:43 PM EST
    Vietnam is much friendly with the U.S. today, than it is with its old allies. So in a perverse sense, even though we lost the Vietnam War, we subsequently won the peace.

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    How far do we go with the forgiveness (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:34:47 AM EST
    are we expected forgive Dow and Du Pont on behalf of all the Vietnamese families with children born with crippling birth defects due to exposure Agent Orange..on behalf of the soil and water and all the living creatures of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos?  

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    Yes, you raise the obvious question, jondee (none / 0) (#96)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:58:43 AM EST
    May I suggest that the answers undoubtedly trace a continuum.  The process is both personal and societal/political.  As for the personal aspects, one checks one's own ethics, spiritual, and life code ... and, if that should produce a circular quandary, it may help to ask the question about whether it is better for the individual to retain the anger/disappointment/sense of loss or whether the cleansing nature of release and forgiveness might eventually be where the path leads.  We've all faced various forms of how long to hold anger and its forms ... clearly, it can be a strong motivator for awhile ....

    So, for each person, the answer can be none other than a very personal one.  For me:  Some areas are easier to resolve than others; the hardest ones have eluded me for years as I rationalize, defend, and think of any reason I can to hold onto the anger once there.  The weird thing is my propensity to find a reason not to reconcile in the most personal situations that hurt the most.  Then, I ask myself: What is the good or gain from not forgiving because, by now, I've learned it hurts more to hold out stubbornly than to let it be and try to take in & use the learning that the experience gave.  

    Turning to the societal and governmental level, I would offer that it is equally important to ask the question about what good or gain is there from non-movement, from static & frozen non-movement.  That should be a practical evaluation as well as an ethical question.  If we truly believe in the ability of humankind to progress, then should we not evaluate earlier civil wrongs in the light of how we can change?  Shouldn't we consider the process for change as real & try to help/encourage/push it along?  Have we forgotten that minorities and women--in general and in particular--have faced atrocities allowed by society as well as mere slights in our nation's development?  We can change.  We already have.  In that process, maybe we took the lessons learned along the way to "forgive" (or, at least, let go) in due course.  To have done otherwise might have been an approach; but, if taken, the holding on could only have sapped energy and impeded/prevented the forward-thinking it requires to make progress. The practical reality is hating takes effort; and, when there are too many enemies and too many people to hate, it is a killer of everything.

    Oh ... I did not forget the specifics of your question.  Dow? DuPont?  To begin with, I do not experience personal forgiveness toward a "corporation" (despite the Supreme Court's personification of corporate entities.)  The situation showed reckless corporate behavior--not unlike other activities and prescriptions that still linger in the memory about a number of corporations.  The apt phrase may be along the lines of "Forgive, but don't forget."  It is about learning ... acting smartly to prevent future travesties would be a positive way to do something with what we've learned.

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    Robert Caro doesn't plan to see the new play (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 01:40:55 PM EST
    re LBJ: NYT

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    LBJ is a mixed bag (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 02:40:15 PM EST
    I don't think anything he ever did got us into Iraq, and I think what he mistakenly championed got us out of Iraq much sooner.  I'm sure that Cheney hates LBJ :)  Soldiers came home and started killing spouses, intended, children, dogs, neighbors, people they didn't know; and everyone civilian started freaking because they have seen and survived all this before.

    That is why we are out of Iraq....DONE, and that is why Obama didn't balk on a SOFA disagreement and got us the hell out of there.  Because of LBJs F-up there was no real argument about staying in Iraq, and it also tanked any Republican presidency for at least two more terms.  It will be worse if the idiots will not stop talking about how Obama shouldn't have left because Dubyas broken soldiers are still breaking things and people and themselves.  That conversation about staying in Iraq more and longer and forever only leads to worse places for voters thanks to LBJs f-ups and all that developed after.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#12)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 03:21:43 PM EST
    think Johnson's mania had anything to do with getting us out of Iraq.

    We are out, except for the people guarding the largest embassy in the world, because after 10 years we had nothing to show for it but hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    Americans have yet to come to terms with the duplicity - the lies - the madness of the Bush presidency.

    And the same goes for Johnson.

    The two of them should have statues in the parks so that the birds can speak for all of us.


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    We have embassies all over the world (2.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:23:30 PM EST
    And they are needed.  All those embassies are guarded too, though not all to the same degree though there is no reason to ever expect that they may not at some point in time and history become so.  I swear anymore, some sworn leftist individuals out there get so crazed that they begin to sound exactly like isolationists, which is a very Conservative virtue.  The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

    We also have an embassy in Iraq based on what the sovereign government there wants...DUH!  If all of our International relations and interactions were based on what the most antisocial paranoid violent natured among us thought was okay (the Conservative Right), what a sad worthless nation we would have become to kneel to them as would Iraq.

    And Johnson's mania getting us out of Iraq?  Really?  Did I say that?  NO!  What I did say though is that the people of this nation learned something during Vietnam and that is what got us out of Iraq much sooner than would have happened without it.  It is about learning and sociology, not reactionary crazed blatherings on blogs but whatever.  Have your reality no matter what the scholars say.

    He still passed civil rights, mixed bag, he was just a human being and not a deity.  Sorry he let you down so badly and sorry he isn't here in the flesh so that you can burn him to death on a pyre while you drink champagne and giggle to yourself.

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:56:52 PM EST
    with you. LBJ had some good lasting legacies and some very bad ones but even the bad ones we MIGHT have learned something from. At least Democrats learned something from it---don't get in long protracted wars in foreign countries. I don't think the GOP has learned this lesson. They seem ready to start a war in Iran any day now.

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    What that sovereign government wants... (none / 0) (#157)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:08:21 AM EST
    ... is our money and our guns.

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    I will give LBJ (none / 0) (#15)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 03:54:51 PM EST
    a modicum of credit for the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act (and if I were a black person, I would understandably give him much more than a little credit for those).
    But I will never, ever forgive him for the escalation of the Vietnam War and all the lives lost on both sides.
    People are complicated, even bad people can do a few good things, and while LBJ was a complete scum bag in so very many ways, at least he accomplished some things that did help minorities in this country.  It does, however, in no way excuse him for Viet Nam.

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    TWC >>>>> Comcast (none / 0) (#9)
    by met0213456 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 02:22:31 PM EST
    Had comcast for 6 years in two different states and I had nothing but issues with it.  Super expensive and the internet was never reliable.   Now I have TWC bill is 45% cheaper with the same channel line up.  Yes, I do pay for premium channels and one of the higher speed internet packages.  TWC customer service is way better than comcast, any day of the week.  

    That ain't sayin' much (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 03:41:09 PM EST
    TWC charges way too much for what they deliver and their customer service devolves to "we're trying hard" on a good day and no help on most.

    The only time I've seen good cable and good service at fair prices was in one of the few places where there were two competing cable companies.  They actually had to compete against each other and it made both better.

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    The real threat of this merger is what (none / 0) (#39)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 09:49:35 PM EST
    Happens to broadband access.   If Comcast who owns NBC starts limiting content on its internet service then their customers will get screwed.

    With existing laws and regulations this could easily happen.   They could limit your access to Netflix or any other service if they are able to control your broadband access.   Just like they can control what stations are offered and for how much now.

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    Agreed 100% (none / 0) (#85)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:02:33 AM EST
    I had TWC for about a decade, loved it.  Then Comcast bought them here in Houston.  My bill went up by about 30%, and my services went down.  But most importantly, customer service plummeted.  No more calling in and speaking with a human, fairly quickly.

    And they closed about half the service centers and reduced the hours to the remaining ones, so when I returned my equipment, there was literally a line going outside of other people returning their gear and the line was over an hour long.  No one I know has Comcast, and we all had TWC.

    I switched to DirecTV and have never looked back.  Not as cheap as TWC, but the customer service is second to none, which for me is pretty important.  Plus DTV is always leading the pack with technology, like room sharing of the DVR's and the ability to record something from my phone.

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    TWC sucks. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Angel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 03:51:11 PM EST


    The only advantage... (none / 0) (#18)
    by unitron on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 04:12:52 PM EST
    ...for Time-Warner customers with TiVos would be if Comcast reversed TWC's policy of slapping the anti-copy bit on every digital channel it legally can, whether the providers of that channel ask for it or not, and for owners of non-analog only TiVos, if they did away with the analog tier entirely and eliminated using Switched Digital Video to conserve bandwidth, enabling the doing away with of Tuning Adapters.

    Those of us on TWC who are still on analog because we have analog equipment (TVs and Series 1 and Series 2 TiVos, and Series 3 TiVos without the expense of cable cards) that still works just fine will probably be screwed.

    I can't (none / 0) (#20)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 04:57:25 PM EST
    give him credit for anything.

    How many black people did he send to their deaths? People who couldn't afford college deferments, or a life in Canada?

    What about those black people who lost fathers, or other family members to the madness engendered by that freak? Would they say, well, he got a voting rights bill passed? (Even with that - I credit the relentless pressure from Malcolm and MLK - and whitey's fear of black uprisings for the passage of those bills.)

    Everybody is complicated to some extent.
    But evil is evil. That is not complicated.

    Zorba - you are far more charitable than I.

    But, if I accept what you wrote - and agree that even bad people can do a few good things - sort of like the broken clock being right twice a day - still - he is, imo, a bad person. A very bad person. A self-involved egomaniac. I am not for refurbishing his image. He is best condemned and/or forgotten.

    How many... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 05:27:06 PM EST

    "Hey! Hey! LBJ!
    How many kids did you kill today?" -- is what I remember most.

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    I remember that ... and chanted it too (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by christinep on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 06:26:29 PM EST
    on numerous occasions.

    Here is what I think now:  At some point, we consolidate or should consolidate what we have learned and take from such conflagrations as Vietnam (and Iraq)the lessons born of sorrow, strife, wrath, and all matter of emotion.  And, at some point, it serves us better as a people to forgive.  IMO, no one ever moves anywhere--and societies stay locked in hundreds of years of recriminations--unless we truly practice forgiveness on societal and personal levels.  That is both practical and spiritual.

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    The kids (none / 0) (#26)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:10:42 PM EST
    that he killed on those many days are not in a position to forgive anything.

    Consolidating - learning lessons - all well and good.

    But we learned nothing from the experience of Vietnam - the lies and the rotten agenda that got us into it.

    And Bush did the same thing to us - again.
    More lies. Another agenda.

    We should do, figuratively of course, what the Italians did to Mussolini.

    What you are calling forgiveness feels more to me like sighing, and resigning oneself to what seems like the inevitable. We will be victimized over and over again.

    Maybe these serial killers will throw a few crumbs in our direction, and we will feel a rosy glow.

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    Forgiveness is the key (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by christinep on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 08:47:05 PM EST
    Sighing is easy; forgiveness takes work ... a tremendous amount of personal work.

    Your anger is so palpable, lentinel, that I wonder if you were hurt in Nam?  In our age group, most of us cannot avoid or evade that hurt, either directly or through friends/relatives.  If you want to hold on, I understand.

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    I can't say I forgive (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 10:32:31 PM EST
    Not at this time.  I want to understand, and there is plenty to understand.  I can't say I forgive, but I understand how we got there.  I don't like it, but I understand

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    I don't (none / 0) (#61)
    by lentinel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:28:58 AM EST
    feel like working at forgiving the unforgivable.

    I was not physically hurt in Vietnam.
    But my soul, as an American citizen, was seared.

    I am not holding on to any anger.

    But I am angry - particularly at the suggestion that anything else that bloated s.o.b. did on the domestic front somehow equalizes the deliberate malevolence of the War in Vietnam.

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    Well... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:18:15 AM EST
    I'm guessing from the severity of your judgment here that you would be the definitive "hanging judge."  

    It is something to behold:  One who gives no quarter, one who appears to have the moral righteousness of absolute certitude, and one who would seem to forget that ultimate justice should include mercy.

    Ah well.

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    The problem I have with your comment, (none / 0) (#90)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:41:58 AM EST
    or perhaps I should say, "your judgment," is that it seems designed to elevate by denigration; you seem to have set yourself up as the great voice of reason, merciful and just, offset against what you have defined so negatively: morally righteous certitude.

    That's just so special.  And, in case you were wondering, I don't mean that in a good way.

    Charlie Pierce has a piece up about the Imperial Masquerade; you should read it.

    I know you think you're coming from a place of maturity and reason when you look down your nose at someone else's anger, but I think you make a mockery of your own alleged activism.  The other day you trotted out - again - your many years of work with the EPA and then promptly folded up your concern for the environment and put it away, choosing now to "trust" the government to properly and stringently regulate Keystone XL.  

    You do this kind of thing all the time - wax poetic and nostalgic for some cause or some childhood-related reason why you are especially well-equipped to "understand" this or that, but instead of encouraging people to keep fighting the good fight, you sigh and tell us that there's just nothing to do but accept compromise and concession, that it's the only way - the well-behaved way? - to do anything.

    Why on earth you keep doing that is a mystery to me; it just so smacks of "sell-out" that I hope your advice and judgment are soundly and firmly rejected.  And that people stay angry, channel their anger into action, and not ever get to the point where they say, "oh, I guess it wasn't really that bad..."

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    'Read your comment, Anne (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:13:49 PM EST
    'Don't agree.  But, Bless your little heart for this attempted analysis of my character.

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    I'm sure lentinel feels the same way (none / 0) (#101)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:55:53 PM EST
    about your "attempted analysis" of her character, too.

    If you're gonna dish it out...

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    Clarification, perhaps (none / 0) (#103)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:09:45 PM EST
    In my reading of lentinel's comments about LBJ, lentinel clearly stated and restated that he had not nor would not change his opinion of LBJ's presidency and his person.  Lentinel even referred to LBJ living with that condemnation for eternity; and, without question, "judged" LBJ as human and president.  My remark was on the severity and unyielding quality (per lentinel's immediate comments.)  

    If lentinel did not intend to "judge" or otherwise assess/evaluate LBJ's character, perhaps a clarification will be made.  

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    Hahah (none / 0) (#102)
    by squeaky on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:08:42 PM EST
    Looks like you think someone is stealing your schtick, and you are pissed about it:

    you seem to have set yourself up as the great voice of reason, merciful and just, offset against what you have defined so negatively: morally righteous certitude.

    and it get's worse..  

    Mirror?

    If anything christinep is right on the money. Forgiveness is key and it takes a lot of work. And you are laying on a whole lot of your own baggage on a very straight forward and time tested human truth, forgiveness is essential to move on.

    Are you so insecure in your "liberal" creds that you must malign anyone who deigns to speak of forgiveness for someone who you think is the enemy?

    I guess that makes you certifiable as a true liberal.. hahahahha

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    The great arbiter ... (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by Yman on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:18:19 PM EST
    ... of "true liberals" speaks.

    Heh.

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    My Uncle served in Vietnam (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 10:17:18 PM EST
    And then shot himself to death in front of the VA in Colorado Springs 8 years ago.  Vietnam hurt him but he did go to college and retired out of the Dept of Energy, saw his daughter married and gave his sister's daughter away to be married too (me) and became a grandfather and a Great Uncle and he had a gorgeous view of Pikes Peak from both decks of his house, and he had a pool room and a Jacuzzi room, all which seemed to bring him great joy.  I can't say LBJ did it though his choices certainly played a part.

    The rest of the story is, his own mother sold his paid for 57 Chevy during his first deployment using the power of attorney he gave her to care for him stateside, and bought a new 66 turquoise Mustang for herself.  He had not contacted anyone in the family for months.  He was recon though, not able to have regular contact, he had nothing to eat on Christmas Day that year, they ate a monkey they shot out of the trees.  My grandmother's excuse for what she did was that she thought he was dead.  And she had that car and polished it for 20 years.  That has never really made sense to me.  When the Chaplain doesn't show up at your door, nobody is missing or dead.

    Another key for me as to how broken my mom's family was was when after his death his sister's children actually sneered at his Vietnam brokenness.  They said he chose it, and it was his own fault.  What is wrong with that?  Well, I was the oldest grandchild and probably the only one who remembers when he was in Vietnam, and the only thing I remember was his last tour...I was four.  My mom had a horrible nightmare that he was dead and she phoned everyone at the crack of dawn that morning that she had a dream he was dead.  He was not dead though, but he was wounded, and that whole crazy time is of course imprinted on my brain forever.  But my cousins, most of them were not even born yet when he served and their opinions?  This mass opinion of F*ck Mike obviously belonged to his other two sisters.  He had no support, and even his wife never wanted him to go and had a hard time with the reality.  He was all alone, certain realities I did not know until it was too late.  I miss him forever.  

    IMO Vietnam hurt my Uncle and his family finished him.  I had no clue though until some of their opinions about Iraq were right in MY face.  I was distant from them growing up and was shocked by their hatred and hostility.  They basically said, "Eff all these people who volunteered and served, they volunteered, they deserve the suffering they have!" And my mom's family do not think they should have to pay for that stupidity....the stupidity of those who volunteer to protect the infrastructure they live in!  None of them have ever served, and my whole generation on that side of my family votes Republican.  I am the only Liberal/Democrat, and the only one willing to make a sacrifice for my country :)

    Some of them do set up sort of faux corporations though where they razzle dazzle easy money investors into being smitten with their Nascar engines.  They take the money and soon their corporation goes broke, but now they have problems and they did truly volunteer to take hard earned cash and make off with it so no sympathy from me.  They are the sort of Americans though that make service hard, they represent certain freedoms it is hard to be proud of :)

    And that is what is left of my mom's fam and we lost our Vietnam Vet and I can't blame it all on LBJ because my family was only too eager to finish the job.  He could have been educated and enlightened by his experience surrounded by care and love, but instead he is dead.

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    MT (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by lentinel on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:45:21 AM EST
    It is moving to me that you have shared this story.

    It is a complex one.

    I don't know what to say.

    The French say, "Bon courage". "Have courage".

    I know you have lots and lots of that and I hope the best for you.

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    I'm so sorry for your loss. (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 04:55:30 PM EST
    Suffice to say that many families such as yours and mine have members whose respective life's trajectories were forever altered by the Vietnam War, and not always for the better.

    My paternal grandmother was literally devastated by the death of her firstborn son, and she apparently lashed out personally at everyone who was within earshot, from my mother to her sisters to Illinois Sen. Everett Dirksen. From what I understand, she was rather unpleasant to be around for a few years afterward. Later on, as I was older, I remember her as a busy woman with an infectious laugh, who nevertheless had trouble talking about my father without being overwhelmed by sadness.

    My father's family is ethnic German-American, a demographic whose earlier generations were not exactly known for personal expressions of warmth and feelings. My grandfather developed a very hard edge to him and was very guarded about showing any signs of sorrow, lest it be interpreted as a sign of personal weakness. Unfortunately, his impervious to the pain of sorrow made him aloof to many of life's joys, as well.

    As for my father's brother who was next closest to him in age, he was almost paralyzed by survivor's guilt and eventually drowned his sorrows in drink, with alcoholism laying him in an early grave at age 55.

    Another uncle was only 19 years old at the time his older brother was killed, and he was far away from his Illinois home, attending college at UCLA when he first received the news. On the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Kinh Do theatre bombing and my father's death, he wrote my mother a letter this past week in which he expressed to her his profound gratitude for the many kindnesses shown him by my maternal grandparents, who drove over to his dorm in Westwood that day (I remember going with them), picked him up and brought him back home to be with us, and then further paid for his travel expenses back east so that he could attend the funeral at Arlington cemetery with his entire family.

    My paternal grandmother and grandfather in Illinois were 16 and 17, respectively, when my father was born to them. They were farmers who back in 1964 were several years younger than I am now, and they still had three younger boys living at home. My maternal grandparents apparently picked up their travel expenses as well, and would not ever entertain even the thought of being repaid for what they saw as a familial obligation to look out / care for one another.

    For every death or casualty in Vietnam, there are a lot of family members and friends across the country whose own untold stories should probably be shared, too. The true long-term cost of war is not always left on the battlefield. Rather, it's to be found on the home front, with those who were left behind to deal with the bitter and oftentimes messy personal aftermath of a national tragedy.

    Aloha.

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    that is exactly what (none / 0) (#129)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:30:15 PM EST
    popped into my mind as I was just reading this thread for the first time just now (and cleaning it, per request of some commenters.)

    I remember chanting that during anti-war protests.

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    Please god never let me hear (none / 0) (#35)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 09:28:54 PM EST
    the word Twizzle again during the Olympic broadcast.

    lol!~ :D (none / 0) (#36)
    by nycstray on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 09:35:01 PM EST
    I felt the same way watching (none / 0) (#91)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:48:00 AM EST
    the women's snowboard cross, with the announcer using the word "carnage" every time one of the racers took a spill.

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    I hear "Twizzle" and ... (none / 0) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:27:58 PM EST
    ... I immediately think of a light and refreshing blended drink made with fresh strawberries, cantaloupe or watermelon.

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    Hillary voted for Iraq (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 10:30:43 PM EST
    Hillary voted for Iraq.

    Squeak Squeak blah blah

    I remember that vote. I remember the trauma my nation was in.  I remember how the Bush regime did not send anyone into Afghanistan of significant number to get Bin Laden and help Afghanistan deal with being a failed state.  I remember the critical thinking, and the action being stunted, shutdown secretly, and the healing deliberately not being able to take place.

    The majority of America did not know whether it was coming or going, all it knew was it was in pain.

    We had no Bin Laden in hand, but New York City had been laid low....the whole nation felt it.  NYC is our heartbeat. And the Bush regime had "proof" that Iraq was Al Qaeda linked.  We (the nation) were the sort of traumatized that no good decision comes out of but I remember HRC's speech making that vote, and the speeches of many other Dems making that vote.  Care to share any of that, any of those words?  The meanings and the depths of the meanings are written on my heart, I will likely die with that writing there.

    Excuses (none / 0) (#54)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:34:32 PM EST
    Dems as a party weren't against the war until it went badly and we didn't find the weapons.

    There were true believers who were against the war but the party as a whole was gung-ho.

    Enough already.   She supported the war until it was politically convenient not to.

    Oh and she got us involved in Libya and that worked out great.

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    Do you (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:24:49 AM EST
    even listen to what your own party is saying with regards to foreign policy? They sound just like they want to make the prediction of OBL of a holy war with Christianity and Islam come true. They are itching for a repeat of Iraq in Iran. Of course, I'm sure none of their family members will be volunteering to fight such a war. After all they get to be the "deciders" but don't want to actually lower themselves or their family members to actually do any of the fighting.

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    It is exactly like the vote that (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:59:33 PM EST
    Just restored retired military pensions.  Boehner got to choose which bill was voted on, so he chose a bill that screwed Medicare trying to discourage Dem votes, yet knowing that someday Medicare would have be visited upon and fixed.  His choice that could be voted on would restore our pensions but would gut Medicare 2023 or 2024...Goddess help me I can't remember exactly which one.

    So they did this hoping to discourage Democratic votes, parlor games, same with the AUMF and to not vote for the AUMF was to pull a pin and shove a grenade into your political career.

    My husband and I had this horrible fight in 2005 or 2006, it was so horrible I have blanked out the exact year there too, but because Iraq was so effing horrible I demanded he leave service immediately and his committed service was up, and his response to all my Seppuku demands was, "Yeah, because this all turns out better when everyone who really cares quits and leaves it all to the phuck weasels."  And it was and is so painful, and he was so right.


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    Interesting double Heh (none / 0) (#53)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 11:29:21 PM EST
    That the poverty rate was already falling before the misguided program was introduced.

    Pretty easy to latch on to something that was already happening.

    Link

    After a few years the poverty rate stabilized and has remained stable while we spend trillions to subsidize the poor.

    I see success as people supporting themselves and working.   I have no idea what you see but people being out of poverty due to government handouts isn't my idea of success.   Especially seeing how we where well on our way to almost solving poverty through economic expansion before LBJ got in the way.

    But I guess like your buddy Hugo Chavez the goal isn't to help people the goal to make them reliant on you.

    Worked so well down there why wouldn't you call LBJ  and the economy under Obama equally as successful.


    Bode Miller (none / 0) (#72)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:10:42 AM EST
    The weirder story involving Bode Miller is about the custody of his son, which obviously, would nt be a topic for him to be asked about after winning a medal, but much more interesting.

    An interesting court case (none / 0) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:45:19 AM EST
    but an article that starts from a very biased viewpoint.

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    How so? n/t (none / 0) (#77)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:51:56 AM EST
    I found it obvious (none / 0) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:04:49 AM EST
    Here is just one.

    The old legal problem for single mothers was deadbeat dads. The new one is fathers who are so eager to assert themselves that they run roughshod over women's rights

    That's not reporting, that's injecting personal opinion into the piece. Now if you want an opinion piece on the case that's fine. If you're looking for the details of the case, this article surely wouldn't be the place to start.

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    I'm so (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:19:21 AM EST
    glad to see you agreeing with Obama.

    If you want to make a conservative (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:32:53 AM EST
    go screaming into the ether, tell him how nice it is that he agrees with Obama...lol.

    Oh, the horror!

    I may be chuckling about that one for a while - thanks for the giggle!

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    Why would (none / 0) (#134)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:22:29 AM EST
    that bother anybody?

    Obama is slippery politician who like all the others makes statements that can be spun about anyway you want to.

    It would be like giving up golf because Obama like to play it.

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    Interesting aside on ice dancing (none / 0) (#79)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:17:26 AM EST
    Detroit, once the world's automobile capital, has now become the world's ice dancing centre, with 15 of the 24 Olympic ice dancing teams in Sochi training there -- nine at the Novi Ice Arena, three at the Detroit Skating Club and three in Canton. C&L

    Their performance was beautiful. As Russian coach Yevgeny Platov, the only ice dancer to win back-to-back Olympic gold medals, stated:

    "They skate above the ice, they look like they're flying," Platov said.

    "They're like a feather. What they do is super light. Whatever they do, is just light, every step."



    They do defy gravity, don't they. (none / 0) (#81)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:21:24 AM EST
    Absolutely beautiful.

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    And such great twizzles (none / 0) (#82)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:27:03 AM EST
    You have become obsessed with (none / 0) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:35:18 AM EST
    twizzles. ;o)

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    And it's killing me (none / 0) (#87)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:07:36 AM EST
    I may never again eat Twizzlers, and I'm suffering from Tracy Wilson induced PTSD to such an extent I may never watch ice dancing again without suffering twizzle flashbacks.

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    Some (me) may ask, (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:37:56 AM EST
    what's a twizzle?:

    answer

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    Not to confuse matters... (none / 0) (#95)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:44:52 AM EST
    but it could also be slang for a twenty bag, or twisting up said twenty bag.

    As in "give this twizzle a twizzle and spark it up!".

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    I bet you were playing a game, kdog, ... (none / 0) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 05:34:59 PM EST
    ... in which every time the announcer said the word "twizzle," someone had to spark up the ol' bong with its fresh bowl of delectable herb.

    And needless to say, that particular word was said so many times last night that by the end of the competition, you guys were probably also chowing down a bag of Fritos and scarfing a whole quart of Ben & Jerry's.

    Aloha.

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    Please note. Dance reviewer of Olympics (none / 0) (#138)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:34:00 AM EST
    Ice skating events refrains from using the word "twizzle."

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    When my dog gets excited . . . (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by nycstray on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:18:36 AM EST
    she twizzles through the house :P

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    sometimes I do the same thing... (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:39:45 AM EST
    Based on your reaction to twizzles, (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:26:11 PM EST
    I recommend you never watch or take up line dancing. Dealing with "twinkles" would only exacerbate your condition to the point that you may never be cured. You would also have to ban twinkies from your home.

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    Proud of my hometown (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 09:49:42 AM EST
    Nice to see that the NBCSports announcer (I usually watched in real time during the day, and not to the NBC coverage in primetime) finally learned to pronounce the town correctly.  He was calling it NO-VEEE, when it is really NO-VI (because once upon a time, it was the #6, or No. VI stop on the railroad that ran through there).

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    Another interesting aside (none / 0) (#99)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:39:20 PM EST
    In ice dancing drama, the Canadian ice dancing team of Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir are questioning the allegiance of their coach Marina Zoueva.

    Zoueva is a Russian coach based in Michigan and being questioned on her allegiance by two Canadians.

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    She also trains Davis and White; (none / 0) (#100)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 12:52:27 PM EST
    I always thought that had a bit of conflict-of-interest feel to it, but maybe this is not uncommon in the competitive skating world - I don't know.

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    Both teams hired her (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:10:40 PM EST
    If you want total allegiance I guess you pay double and sign an exclusive contract. Or you can always choose a different coach.

    She coached both pairs at the Vancouver Olympics also with the Canadians winning gold and the Americans the silver, and there wasn't a peep of complaint from the losing team.

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    I thought that last Russian pair (none / 0) (#109)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 02:42:56 PM EST
    had the most interesting-daring choreography of the night. Strictly from an artistic perspective, imo, they were much edgier and passionate by far than any of the others.

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    Lyrics of the decade (none / 0) (#105)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:19:26 PM EST
    West Oakland's THE COUP, led by the inimitable Boots Riley, lay it down in "Land of 7 Billion Dances":

    Electromagnetic with a bomb aesthetic
    But we ain't breaded edit: got no credit
    Listen real close to my phonetics:
    The monster is awoke and I hope you fed it

    If this your first time here, raise your hand
    If the police come, hide the contraband
    We all leave in a box and a long sedan
    How you want your name read by the anchorman?

    Drop the hips; apocalypse
    We ho'in out here cuz they got the chips
    Like "Put it anywhere, but not the lips!"
    Takeover, let's plot the shit

    Badass video link.

    Peace. (An Axe Length Away to return soon, probably in a few hours.)


    Forgot this lyric from that song (none / 0) (#106)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 01:23:48 PM EST
    I guess you all wonder why I called this meeting
    Paycheck cut can't stop the bleeding
    Sharks are feeding, we ain't eating
    No more pleading, time for stampeding

    Just. Effing. Bad. Ass.

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    Johnny's in the backroom (none / 0) (#108)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 02:35:32 PM EST
    mixin' up the medicine, I'm on the pavement thinkin' bout the government..

    Sounds like all those lines could be from the same song..

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    the line is (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:38:34 PM EST
    Johnny's in the basement (not backroom.)

    Subterrananean Homesick Blues is the song I took TalkLeft's tag line from, "The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles."

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    Yep (none / 0) (#110)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 02:47:18 PM EST
    That's why I love the coup.

    And Bob.

    Even thought I want to deck him for that phucking Super Bowl commerical. Doddering old bastard. Ahem.


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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 02:32:43 PM EST
    After a four-day hiatus, AN AXE LENGTH AWAY RETURNS. (Also, make a note, this week I should also be the featured "guest napkin" at the MATTA NAPKIN comic website, where TV writer John Matta puts up a comic on a napkin a day. Check him out daily, really brilliant dark stuff.)

    For-profit medicine has to make that profit somewhere. From Larry, they're taking it out of his blank. (link)

    v. 277
    v. 276

    Spent the long weekend in Lake Tahoe with the wife and son. They ski'd while I played poker, and thankfully ended my tournament dry streak. Hoo-effing-ray, small stakes or no. Peace, y'all.

    Hand outs is a poor choice of words (none / 0) (#118)
    by Slado on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 06:23:44 PM EST
    What is preferable?

    Subsidies?  Assistance?

    I'm actually serious about this one.  Hand outs is derogatory and I should know better.

    I have a brother receiving assistance and he deserves to.   I am referring to,people who don't deserve it and I should phrase my responses more carefully.  

    Who "deserves"??? (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 06:34:40 PM EST
    Isn't that what that kind of policing mentality always come down to? How do we judge that one (and who are we to judge?)  Is our assessment made by gut? by relation (brother or cousin or spouse, etc.?)  Oh ... and maybe our neighbor would judge very differently if we use the criteria of subjective value?  Maybe our neighbor would consider his/her relative more deserving than ours?

    So, where do you come from?  Gadfly,  conservative politico, or someone who is really interested in exploring issues?

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    I agree (none / 0) (#135)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:31:15 AM EST
    I don't think aid from the government should have any filter, it should be available to all with no penalty for people working if they can. I don't think the aid should be flexible in use like cash, rather direct payment for the basics of life, food, clothing, and shelter, nothing easily exchanged for money, but available to any who want it.

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    55% of Dems regret voting for Obama? (none / 0) (#119)
    by Slado on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 06:28:22 PM EST
    Can this be true?

    What took so long?

    Excellent (none / 0) (#121)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 06:44:06 PM EST
    Maybe Romney will see this as a good reason to run again. Surely his team will view this poll as all those potential changed votes would now be Romney votes...Which is generally how clueless people read bad polling questions.

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    Mostly (none / 0) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 07:48:11 PM EST
    I think that poll says that people have moved on. I mean you could have found that out reading talk left for the last year. One year into Obama's 2nd term people were already talking about 2016 I mean seriously talking about 2016.

    And the 71% is people who would consider voting for someone else but voted for Obama admittedly a very small percentage according to the article.

    It also has good news for Hillary Clinton.

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    There is some bad news for Hillary today (none / 0) (#123)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:11:57 PM EST
    she trails Christie by 1 point (44-43)...in Louisiana.

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    Baa waa waa (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 08:14:40 PM EST
    I would say that's actually pretty funny. Not like she was going to carry LA anyway...

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    And David Duke by five points (none / 0) (#215)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:27:25 PM EST
    and the late George Lincoln Rockwell by ten points.

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    Slado (none / 0) (#132)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 10:41:41 PM EST
    It's one thing to state your opinion, it's another to troll and just post anti-Democrat/Obama/Clinton comments. This is a Democratic site. If you keep it up you will be a blogclogger and have your comments limited.

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    What's the Matter With Kansas? (none / 0) (#133)
    by shoephone on Tue Feb 18, 2014 at 11:51:22 PM EST
    Beating the he[[ out of children, in order to save them. Proof that even some Democrats in Kansas are evil.

    Another good question is.. (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 07:16:56 AM EST
    why aren't the psychologists and psychiatrists of Kansas getting together and raising public holy Hell about that Bill?

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    Because it's good for future business? (none / 0) (#151)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:42:44 AM EST
    I saw that. Unreal. (none / 0) (#137)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:22:46 AM EST
    I can't believe this merger talk is real (none / 0) (#136)
    by Mikado Cat on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 02:39:37 AM EST
    How can anybody spin a smaller monopoly as a good thing for consumers?

    OTOH if it does happen maybe that will create the push needed to force unbundling content with infrastructure, leave cable to provide and charge for a wire and bandwidth to my house, but remove them as a middle man selling content.

    Only other option I see is true competition for providing the wire and bandwidth to my house as well as content.

    I've never really understood how the city to city monopoly of one provider was allowed.

    Love that concealed carry culture (none / 0) (#149)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:29:55 AM EST
    Pittsfield Township, MI:

    A 39-year-old man, who has a concealed handgun permit, confronted the snow plow driver early this morning at the apartment complex with his gun drawn. He was reportedly angry the snow wasn't being removed from around his wife's vehicle fast enough, so he fired a round at the plow.


    It's Like the U.S. with It's... (none / 0) (#154)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 10:55:58 AM EST
    ...almost infinite war toy collection; what is the point of having them if you can't use them.

    In the man's defense, one winter in Milwaukee, my car was snow plowed in the entire winter.  By the time I could get it out, I realized a window had been broken and my speakers had been removed.

    Granted, I never used my car as I lived right next to school and the girl I lived with had a much nicer vehicle, but some times those guys can be real a-holes, but I never got the urge to shoot at them.

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    Unarmed (none / 0) (#155)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:02:13 AM EST
    The snow plow still stood its ground.

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    Snow Plow Is A Deadly Weapon (none / 0) (#158)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:09:02 AM EST
    Ask Rachel Corey..   OK Buldozers...  

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    Snow rage. (none / 0) (#160)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:24:50 AM EST
    Yeah, well, that calls for ... (none / 0) (#183)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 04:31:14 PM EST
    ... 30 days in the hole, best served with earphones.

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    Its only news because it is so rare (none / 0) (#191)
    by Mikado Cat on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:05:43 AM EST
    that anyone with a CCW uses it illegally.

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    Snapshots of gun activity (none / 0) (#197)
    by MO Blue on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 07:18:21 AM EST
    reported in the news. These instances are in the news because they are not at all rare.

    Another day in the (Gun Crazy) U.S.A.

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    Missouri finds out what happens (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by Anne on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:09:18 AM EST
    when gun control laws are weakened:

    ...a recent study by the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy at the Bloomberg School of Public Health ought to dispel it. The researchers found that a handgun purchaser licensing requirement like the one Maryland just adopted has the potential to save many lives that otherwise would have been lost to gun violence.

    The study examined the effect of the 2007 repeal of a Missouri law that required handgun purchasers to obtain a permit verifying their identity and their eligibility to own a firearm. After the law was repealed, murders in the state jumped 16 percent over the previous rate. After controlling for other factors, the researchers concluded that nearly all of the increase was attributable to the state's dropping its licensing requirement.

    The sharp increase in homicides translated into between 55 and 63 additional murders a year in Missouri, a spike that wasn't matched in either its neighboring states or in the country as a whole. The inescapable conclusion from the state's anomalous situation was that dozens of people were being killed in Missouri every year who otherwise might still be alive if the law had remained in effect.

    [snip]

    In addition to ramping up the murder rate, researchers also found that repealing Missouri's law had provided a boon to criminals generally by making it easier for them employ so-called "straw purchasers" -- people who buy guns with the intent of passing them on to others who are legally barred from owning them. After Missouri's licensing requirement was repealed, the time between the purchase of a gun and its appearance at a crime scene plummeted -- an indication of increased straw purchase activity.

    Imagine that.


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    A little history on MO gun laws (none / 0) (#202)
    by MO Blue on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:14:39 AM EST
    Missouri voters defeated the referendum to allow conceal and carry in 1999.

    The Republican State legislation said FU to MO voters and passed conceal and carry in 2003.

    Missouri Concealed Firearms, Proposition B (April 1999)

    The Missouri Concealed Firearms Proposition, also known as Proposition B, was a legislatively-referred state statute on the April 6, 1999 ballot in Missouri, where it was defeated.

    Aftermath
    2003 law

    In 2003, the Republican majority in the Missouri State Legislature enacted a law similar to what Proposition B would have accomplished, if it had been approved.

    source

     

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    A sad and sobering link... at least to me (none / 0) (#207)
    by gbrbsb on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:01:28 AM EST
    And if you don't know it, gunpolicy.org, a clever little site where you can compare gun related data between other countries worldwide.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 279 (none / 0) (#161)
    by Dadler on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 11:33:13 AM EST
    Patriotism, oligarch style. (link)

    v. 278
    v. 277

    Peace to the nth degree, all my fellow mortals.

    Interesting mystery from Wounded Knee (none / 0) (#162)
    by shoephone on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 12:59:27 PM EST
    BTD needs (none / 0) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 01:14:06 PM EST
    to trek on over to the Big Orange and give them one of his lessons on demographics. Too many people seem to be sorely deficient in that area.

    Ooh, I hope so (none / 0) (#172)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:11:08 PM EST
    This Could Be the Start of Scott Walker's Bridgegate

    And then, of course, this is no surprise:

    The Texas Tea Party Doesn't Stand a Chance


    It's Painful to Live in Texas... (5.00 / 3) (#175)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:34:10 PM EST
    ...right now, with primaries a month away, it's non-stop political ads that are ridiculous, even the idiot Ted Nuggent is down here campaigning.

    No real policy, just some version of calling the other guy/girl a dirty Obama lover, or for more established people like Cornyn, RINO's.

    It's like being trapped in an old mine shaft with 1000 squeakys and the limited air being all sucked up by squeakys to annoy all the other squeakys, and there is no way to turn them off.  Like here lately.

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    You're making me laugh, because (none / 0) (#177)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 03:41:24 PM EST
    it wasn't til I read your comment that I realized that I feel the same way about you-know-who as I do about the stink bugs.

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    I thought Ted Nugent said he'd be dead by now (none / 0) (#180)
    by shoephone on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 04:15:44 PM EST
    Didn't he rant during the 2012 presidential campaign that if Obama won re-election he (Nugent) would be dead within a year?

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    Promises, promises ... (none / 0) (#182)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 04:22:12 PM EST
    ;-D

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    Esquire's Charles Pierce offered ... (none / 0) (#186)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 05:30:28 PM EST
    ... the following observation about Gov. Walker only two weeks ago:

    "If you like the grandiose and unfolding corruption in New Jersey under Chris Christie, you're going to love the penny-ante thievery in Wisconsin under Scott Walker. His entire political career has been marked by one laughably cheap scam or another. [...] For the most part, the political corruption of Scott Walker's Wisconsin is the functional equivalent of people who steal the tips off the restaurant tables as they run for the door."

    LINK.

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    Given but a handful of the words... (none / 0) (#192)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:15:27 AM EST
    ...you can almost spot a Pierce column from across the room.

    His stuff is just instantly recognizable as his stuff.

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    The Q poll goes into Ohio (none / 0) (#199)
    by CoralGables on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:46:52 AM EST
    a bastion of purple to see how the 2016 Presidential race has changed since last November.

    Listed are the November numbers followed by the new February numbers.

    Clinton vs Christie - Clinton +1 to Clinton +13
    Clinton vs Ryan - Clinton + 8 to Clinton +9
    Clinton vs Paul - Clinton +10 to Clinton +13
    Clinton vs Bush - Clinton +13 to Clinton +15
    Clinton vs Rubio - Clinton +9 to Clinton +14
    Clinton vs Cruz - Clinton +15 to Clinton + 17

    Would be interesting to see (none / 0) (#200)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:54:38 AM EST
    What the results would be if they included Kasich in that poll.

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    They did (none / 0) (#204)
    by CoralGables on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:40:42 AM EST
    I left it out thinking it was meaningless. Here you go:

    Clinton vs Kasich - Clinton +11 to Clinton +12

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    I'd never vote for a candidate (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:47:51 AM EST
    who graduated from OSU.

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    Nothing (none / 0) (#213)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:10:43 PM EST
    changed except the Christie numbers which does not surprise me.

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    And yet (none / 0) (#217)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:00:34 PM EST
    He's (5.00 / 1) (#218)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:52:35 PM EST
    a goner as far as a presidential candidate. And fleecing the rubes out of money is a skill that the GOP has turned into an art form.

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    Sure (none / 0) (#219)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 03:17:12 PM EST
    But if he has more money at the end of the day, no one else will matter.

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