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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Triple Crown Edition

Can California Chrome become the first horse since the great Affirmed did it 36 years ago to win the Triple Crown? Me and over 100,000 of my closest friends will be at Belmont Park this afternoon to see if he can.

Meanwhile, here is the greatest horse who ever lived running the greatest race ever run:

Open Thread.

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    amusing story about secretariat. (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by cpinva on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:01:04 AM EST
    my mom taught the owner's kids, at a private, catholic elementary school. shortly after he won the triple crown, there was a big do at the school over it. my mom had no clue what it was all about.

    This is broadcast (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 11:21:22 AM EST
    On NBC at 3:30 central

    Sad news from New Jersey: (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:27:31 PM EST
    One person was killed and three others are in critical condition, including actor-comedian Tracy Morgan ("SNL" and "30 Rock"), after the chartered hybrid limousine in which they were passengers was involved in a six-vehicle pile-up and overturned on the New Jersey Turnpike very early this morning, only a few hours after Morgan performed at the Dover (DE) Hotel & Casino.

    Morgan and the others who were seriously injured were airlifted to the Robert Woods Johnson University Medical Center in New Brunswick, NJ, where he apparently remains in intensive care.

    My thoughts and best wishes are with Morgan and his family today.

    A friend just saw Morgan perform this week (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:33:32 PM EST
    ..just trying to remember which friend, and where...Denver maybe?  Doesn't matter.

    We have had 3 or 4 fatal car accidents in the Orlando area this week. Just seems like rash of them all over, or maybe I am tuned in to them for some reason. So scary and random. My heart goes out to all of the families. I've been the recipient of one of those phone calls and there is nothing worse than that shock of a sudden loss of a loved one.

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    Apparently, Morgan's vehicle ... (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 01:06:32 AM EST
    ... was plowed into from behind by a tractor-trailer owned by Wal-Mart, whose driver dozed off on the turnpike and caused a chain reaction. He's since been charged by New Jersey prosecutors with that state's equivalent of vehicular homicide and vehicular assault.

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    The candyman (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:23:59 PM EST
    Hersheys sues Pot company

    DENVER (AP) -- The Hershey Co. has sued a Colorado marijuana edibles maker, claiming it makes four pot-infused candies that too closely resemble iconic products of the chocolate maker.

    The trademark infringement lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Denver this week against TinctureBelle LLC and TinctureBelle Marijuanka LLC.

    It alleges TinctureBelle's Ganja Joy, Hasheath, Hashees and Dabby Patty mimic Hershey's Almond Joy, Heath, Reese's peanut butter cups and York peppermint patty candies, respectively.

    TinctureBelle did not immediately return messages seeking comment. The Denver Business Journal first reported about the lawsuit filed Tuesday.



    But the question is . . . (none / 0) (#30)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:44:49 PM EST
    who uses the better chocolate?  ;)

    I'll have to keep in mind to make my PM patties square if I ever decide to sell chocolates . . .

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    Year or so ago (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:18:16 PM EST
    I did some work for the local senior center.  Meals on wheels and transportation.  While doing that I made a new friend.  She is a very vigorous 85.  A hilarious mouthy free spirit anarchist atheist hoot.   She lives in a house with no lights or heat.  She would call it no carbon footprint.  She has solar cells and an outdoor composting toilet.  She just got a cell phone.
     You honestly have to live in a backwater rural area where Jesus is EVERWHERE to appreciate how funny it is to be around her because being a tiny decrepit old lady she can get away with saying absolutely anything to absolutely anyone and she does.  
    Anyway
    She wants to get high.  Wants to know what sol the fuss is about.  But she doesnt want to smoke.  She wants to bake something.  Working on making that happen.

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    One other thing I have to share (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:49:48 AM EST
    Or overshare about Kati,  you can tell when we are out together that some people think we are a "couple".  I do not discourage this.  Some, if not most , of the same people have also at least heard the rumors that I am gay.  This is a small town by small town standards.  And you can just tell that it confuses them and makes them even more uncomfortable.  She enjoys this as much as I do.  Once in a restaurant she grinned and said, "you can almost see the smoke coming out outta their ears tryin to figure out what the hell is goin on at this table".
    And of course nothing is goin on.  She knows I am gay.  She knows because she asked me straight out about 30 minutes into our first ride along.  Which I don't mind telling you left me speechless and agape.  I don't have a lot of outward signs.  I have absolutely nothing against outward signs but that's just not who I am so I was not used to the question.  I answered honestly and when I recovered I said "why would you ask that has my reputation preceded me again?"
    "Hell no" she said "smart cultured good lookin 60 yo man who has never been married?  I'm not stupid.  Like the rest of these crackers you haul around."
    And that was it I was in love.  She had me at crackers.

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    Funny (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:55:00 PM EST
    Hershey and all the other's are dying to get into the business..

    Candyman.


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    The owner of Chrome (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:10:13 PM EST
    could use a delete key.

    That was maybe the the most classless interview I've ever seen by a beaten favorite in horse racing.

    That's an understatement. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:13:44 PM EST
    Why didn't somebody in his party pull him away from the camera, when they saw him open wide and start to swallow his foot? He proved himself to be a very poor sport.

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    See my note (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Dadler on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:14:47 PM EST
    His wife tried to get him to shut up, but he raged on with the "coward's way" bullsh*t.


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    My brother bet $20 on Tonalist to win. (none / 0) (#83)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 12:09:39 AM EST
    Is he rich now?

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    So your brother made over $380 on that wager.

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    Classic letter from Kubrick to MGM (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 11:44:57 AM EST
    on the subject of a sequel to 2001

    They should have listened

    ONION on Bergdahl (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 01:29:17 PM EST
    Bowe Bergdahl, the American soldier held captive by the Taliban for five years, was released on May 31 in exchange for five Guantanamo Bay detainees. The Onion breaks down what you need to know about the former POW.

    Occupation: Talking point
    Current Location: Center of political circus
    Questions Surrounding Him: Many
    Radical Views: That U.S. war in Afghanistan somehow disastrous, ill-fated, unethical
    Gets 10% Off At Buffalo Wild Wings With Valid Military ID: Yes
    Ribs: Protruding
    Cost Of Release: Everything this f&@kin' nation stands for
    Future Plans: Second tour of duty
    References In Classified White House Documents: 1,023
    Belongings When He Left Army Platoon: Compass, knife, digital camera, diary, basketball
    Likelihood Of Being Subject Of Future `60 Minutes' Piece: Through the roof
    What He's Looking Forward To Most Upon Returning Home: Freedom of no longer being used as some sort of pawn for political or military gain

    All I can think is that the Showtime (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:38:24 PM EST
    "Homeland" producers really missed the boat on what Sgt. Brody's real homecoming would have been like.  They vastly overestimated this country.

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    They got one thing right though (none / 0) (#114)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:48:52 PM EST
    I'm sure there will be a crazy-eyed CIA operative spying on him in his home when he gets back.

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    He was smart enough (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:29:43 PM EST
    To conceal his sympathy for Allah

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    Texas GOP endorses... (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by desertswine on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 02:22:04 PM EST
    'reparative therapy' for gays.  I don't understand the crazy. The next step, I guess, is to make the "therapy" mandatory.

    A bunch of ignorant fools. (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 02:47:24 PM EST
    This can't be, surely (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:25:14 AM EST
    the NBC 5-Dallas Ft. Worth headline got it backward and it is supposed to read:   Texas Republicans "Back Gays and Therapy for Cruz."     I'm watching for the errata.

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    LOL Don't hold your breath! (none / 0) (#153)
    by Angel on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 12:33:44 PM EST
    What will these people do when (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:14:01 PM EST
    There's enough votes to take power away from them.  It's a serious question. The time is coming and I don't think it's going to be pretty.

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    The crazies rule Texas. For how much longer I (none / 0) (#101)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:27:07 PM EST
    just don't know.  Maybe by 2020 they'll be out of business.  We're talking people who want Ted Cruz for president.  

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    I don't think people this (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:39:15 PM EST
    Crazy are going quietly

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    Hysterical (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 02:53:44 PM EST
    You can not make this stuff up (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:11:16 PM EST
    A blog by cartoonist David Fitzsimmons (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:18:57 PM EST
    It was made up, comedy.

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    Well, if its not true... (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by desertswine on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:39:23 PM EST
    it should be.

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    It looked (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:22:49 PM EST
    legit until it said Reince Prebus said "we don't litter". LOL.

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    Keep looking (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:33:04 PM EST
    You will find the real ones

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    Still, well made point of how (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:44:02 PM EST
    Difficult it is becoming to tell parody from real life

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:43:09 PM EST
    I think that's the point of the whole exercise though Allen West is now screaming for Obama's impeachment.

    I definitely thought it was true until I read the second paragraph and it sounded like the onion.

    The truth of the matter is they are like rats on a sinking ship. I'm seeing it all over facebook. His father deserves what he's getting because he quoted the Koran.

    This is why I keep telling people that DESPITE what the GOP elite may or may not want in 2016 this is what they are going to get. Nothing short of full on crazy rat house sh*t crazy is going to be nominated.

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    It is Funny.. Good One! (none / 0) (#106)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:44:56 PM EST
    Funny because it may as well be true.

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    I love this (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 08:52:39 AM EST
    If you have used the Google today you may have noticed the artwork-

    11-Year-Old Long Island Girl Wins Google Doodle Contest

    An 11-year-old Long Island girl's drawing was featured on Google's homepage Monday after she beat thousands of other young artists in the yearly Doodle 4 Google competition.

    Audrey Zhang of Levittown drew a whimsical water cleaning machine, titled "Back to Mother Nature," for the contest, which was based on the theme "If I could invent one thing to make the world a better place."

    Zhang created what she called a "transformative water purifier" that would clean dirty rivers, lakes and oceans.

    Zhang's drawing will be on Google's homepage through the end of the day.



    Fascinating look (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:59:47 AM EST
    At the newly released Clinton papers re: Justices Ginsburg and Breyer et al

    A Virginia politician named Puckett (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 07:13:13 PM EST
    Offered commissioner of tobacco said f@uckit
    Now his daughters a judge
    And the Goopers won't budge
    And 400,000 can s@uckit

    RICHMOND -- Republicans appear to have outmaneuvered Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a state budget standoff by persuading a Democratic senator to resign his seat, at least temporarily giving the GOP control of the chamber and possibly dooming the governor's push to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

    Sen. Phillip P. Puckett (D-Russell) will announce his resignation Monday, effective immediately, paving the way to appoint his daughter to a judgeship and Puckett to the job of deputy director of the state tobacco commission, three people familiar with the plan said Sunday. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.

    The news prompted outrage among Democrats -- and accusations that Republicans were trying to buy the Senate with job offers in order to thwart McAuliffe's proposal to expand health coverage to 400,000 low-income Virginians.

    LINK


    So, this is awesome (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:14:05 AM EST
    being a Virginia resident and all.....

    Va. lawmaker to resign, paving way for jobs for self, daughter, according to associates


    RICHMOND -- Republicans appear to have outmaneuvered Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a state budget standoff by persuading a Democratic senator to resign his seat, at least temporarily giving the GOP control of the chamber and possibly dooming the governor's push to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

    Sen. Phillip P. Puckett (D-Russell) will announce his resignation Monday, effective immediately, paving the way to appoint his daughter to a judgeship and Puckett to the job of deputy director of the state tobacco commission, three people familiar with the plan said Sunday. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.

    More

    Because of outrage over the attempted bribe, Puckett won't be taking the job. Even still, he's leaving the Senate and giving Republicans the majority they need to block Obamacare in Virginia. (And it appears his daughter will get her judgeship.)

    If this were just another round of routine political combat, it would be annoyingly venal--irksome but not consequential. L'affaire Puckett, however, is a big deal. Under the Medicaid expansion, an estimated 400,000 Virginians would get health insurance, as well as access to needed health services like check-ups, medicines, surgeries, and cancer treatments. It's no exaggeration to say that there's a health access crisis in Virginia, which Medicaid could ameliorate, if not solve altogether.

    And Puckett isn't some bystander to these problems. The former state senator represented the 38th District, which draws from 10 counties in southwestern Virginia: Tazewell, Pulaski, Russell, Buchanan, Dickenson, Wise, Radford, Bland, Smyth, and Norton. This is one of the poorest corners of the state. The poverty rate in Russell County, for instance, is 20.4 percent, compared to 11 percent for the state writ large.

    Even worse is Buchanan County, where 25 percent of residents live below the poverty line. Not only is it one of the poorest counties in Virginia, it's one of the most impoverished in the entire United States. And according to a recent analysis from the Commonwealth Institute, it contains a chunk of the estimated 20,170 uninsured adults in Puckett's district who are eligible for coverage under the Medicaid expansion.



    Pretty much defines "sell-out," (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:30:54 AM EST
    and just adds to the perception that people go into politics to help themselves, not the people who elected them.

    I just really don't understand people who seem to be actively working to make sure poor people can't afford basic health care. And that in this case, there isn't even any pretense that this isn't basically, "screw you - I want a cushy job and I want a judgeship for my daughter."  It's just about 10 kinds of disgusting.

    They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, which makes me wonder what kind of judge Puckett's daughter will be.  If she's as good a judge as her father is/was an elected representative of the people...well, you can fill in that blank.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#199)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:55:29 AM EST
    understand it either but Anne you and I are rational. Va Republicans are the party of vaginal probes and all kinds of crackpot stuff. They are petty, mean and spiteful and when you look at it that way what they do makes sense.

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    Class (2.00 / 1) (#204)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 09:48:04 AM EST
    I don't know anything about Coburn's station in life, what his background is, but he does seem to be lacking in manners,

    IOW....  I have good breeding, and class..

    Waving your flag so swiftly?  Hmmmm..


    The story, beginning with the run-up to the Derby, was about these ordinary folks,

    commoners?

    If is clear that you used folksy to point out that Coburn was a commoner. In the context of Belmont and triple crown, class is the subtext here..  

    Breeding of horses is a metaphor for upper class breeding and clearly a sub-text of the whole cinderella fantasy Coburn represents.

    The fact that he is uncouth, and representative of his class should come as no surprise. But to make a big deal about it, like the media has done, and the sheep here, makes it clear that keeping Class fantasies alive is tantamount.

    Cinderella? Try Wizard of Oz... Refined manners is the glues that keeps the curtain pulled on some of the most heinous crimes that are committed.

    I will take a Coburn any day over a Vanderbilt or Rockefeller. With Coburn, you know how when and where the knife is coming from, those who have power and the most refined manners not so much.


    Starting to be very emotionally (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:33:19 AM EST
    Invested in this Chrome.  Probably not wise considering recent triple crown history but I really want him to win

    You picked Secretariat to compare him to :) (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:46:44 AM EST
    Another unexplained genetic physical anomaly that those who trained and rode him said was always a very intelligent and aware horse.

    I have read that his sire was so intelligent he figured out how not to race, because apparently he didn't care for it much.  Not much in his breeding explains the physical manifestation of Chrome though, perhaps it is all heart that he is made of.

    No horse compares to Secretariat (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:11:31 AM EST
    The greatest ever.

    Chrome reminds me more of Affirmed. Great tactical speed. Can win from the front or coming from behind.

    Loved Affirmed. Totally rooted for him over Alydar, whose supporters I thoroughly disliked.

    I also rooted for Sunday Silence over Easy Goer (son of Alydar) for the same reasons. Paul Moran, horse racing writer for NewsDay in particular.

    And I always rooted for Secretariat's progeny, General Assmebly, Terlingua, Risen Star and the great filly Lady's Secret.

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    Did Affirmed also (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:21:51 AM EST
    Go from an early race history of getting munched in longer distances, and then growing into being able to manage them as a three year old?

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    What do you consider a longer distance? (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:27:47 AM EST
    For some horses, that can be ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:32:57 PM EST
    ... anything over six furlongs.
    ;-D

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    Although it was a silly rule (none / 0) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:24:14 AM EST
    that should have been changed before now, what is your opinion on the nasal strip rule specifically changed for California Chrome?

    I'm a fan of changing rules prior to the start of a track's racing season, rather than to favor a specific horse as they've done for Chrome since they have repeatedly turned down the request in the past for other horses.

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    Nonissue imo (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:41:11 AM EST
    The other time it came up it really was an excuse - they suspected the horse was doped and used the nasal strip to keep him out.

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    Will you be wearing a nasal strip though (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:47:01 AM EST
    In support?  We want the selfie put up here!

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:51:55 AM EST
    Not my style. But I will tweet out a picture of Chrome if I can.

    Going to the Penn Station now for the Belmont Special.

    Have good one every body.

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    Wow, OK I'm a convert (none / 0) (#23)
    by ZtoA on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:06:55 PM EST
    I just watched the youtube of Secretariat's races at the Derby and Preakness and Belmont plus some video of him just running for fun. Wow such power and beauty. The jockeys are great to watch too. I was in college in 1973, no TV and enjoying the subject/substance of other threads here and so missed it when it happened.

    I always loved the movie Seabiscuit. It might be lame compared to the real thing but I liked the relationships between the owner, trainer, jockey and horse.

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    Have you read Laura Hildenbrand's (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:45:36 PM EST
    "Unbroken"?

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    Haven't read that yet (none / 0) (#156)
    by ZtoA on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 01:00:24 PM EST
    Is it good? I'm currently trying to make my way thru Plato at the Googleplex. Not light reading, especially since I'm currently working very long days. For fun I'm reading the cooking books Squeaky recommended.

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    Yes. A book club pick, which I wasn't (none / 0) (#160)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:05:52 PM EST
    particularly interested in tackling.  Non-fction about a crappy USC student who ran track at the 1936 Berlin Olympics, met Hitler, and the young man's harrowing experiences in WWII in the Pacific arena and as a Japanese POW.

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    And soon to be a movie directed by (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:58:42 PM EST
    Angelina Jolie. I read Unbroken and am glad I did. I am interested to see what Jolie does with the material.

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    "Scrappy" not "crappy." (none / 0) (#177)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 06:47:02 PM EST
    If you loved the movie Seabisquit, you should read (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:55:30 PM EST
    the book. It is so marvelous. I cried at the end of every chapter. Sure, I always cry at horse stories and dog stories, but not like that.

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    I had to read ... (none / 0) (#122)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 06:03:59 PM EST
    ... John Steinbeck's 1937 book "The Red Pony" for 7th grade English class, and as hearts go, the events in Chapters One and Three served to break mine. Anyone who's read that book will know what I'm talking about. I'll say one thing positive about it, though -- I was subsequently and forever hooked on Steinbeck.

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    The average price for (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:53:47 AM EST
    A competitive horse is, what, about 100,000 right?
    Would love to see them get served by a 10,000 dollar pony.

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    After competing in the dog world (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:04:40 AM EST
    You realize that a lot of dogs in the pet world could have been "the one" if someone had campaigned them, dogs with very few champions back there.

    I think BTD is hoping this Belmont resembles the Belmont of 1973.  "The experts" say that based on how he ran the Derby and Preakness he will have nothing left at the finish of the Belmont.  If he does though, if has a gear he hasn't used yet and it is possible, this race could look like Secretariats Belmont.

    Those handling him say he appears to be eating all this extra stress as if it were vitamins :)

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    You mistake (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:15:01 AM EST
    Nothing can be like that race because there has never been another horse like Secretariat. Though I was at Belmont when Risen Star, Secretariat's son, wired the field by 15 lengths and ran the second fastest Belmont time (at the time) of 2:26.

    Chrome will have to be rated, but he seems easily ratable, and control the pace from the front, a la Riva Ridge in 1972.

    In another words, Chrome needs the time to be slow. Imo of course.

    Maybe he'll blitz the field.  

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    How uncommon would it be (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:17:15 AM EST
    For a 10,000 dollar horse to win

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    In this day and age (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:30:01 AM EST
    Incredible.

    He has the breeding of Canonero II, which is to say, almost none.

    It's remarkable.

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    That's what I thought (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:31:32 AM EST
    Love it.  If there is anything I can relate to it's no breeding.

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    Capt Howdy, today I was at Epcot - met some (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:50:42 PM EST
    friends there that are in from Denver - believe me it would not have been my choice on a 95 degree day. Anyway we were in the store in the Germany village, and they had a ceramic beer stein in the form of Grumpy the dwarf, pictured here. A scroll on the base of it read..."I know a little German".   I thought of you :-)

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    Ha (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:54:33 PM EST
    It's a filthy rumor that I hang around race tracks to meet jockeys

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    But Victor (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:59:41 PM EST
    Was cute

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    Realizing that might be taken more than one way (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:38:27 AM EST
    Allow clarification, having done fairly well from a shallow gene pool I can relate.


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    Canonero II! Now there's a name ... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:05:49 PM EST
    ... I haven't heard in a very long time. I remember feeling badly when he finished fourth at at the '71 Belmont. But with time comes perspective, and that loss certainly doesn't take anything away from what the two-time longshot accomplished in literally coming out of nowhere to win both the Kentucky Derby (where he broke late from the 18th position to win by almost four lengths) and the Preakness that year.

    According to Wikipedia, if one judges by the pre-race odds, Canonero II's come-from-behind victory at Churchill Downs arguably ranks as the single greatest upset in Derby history. And to think that his owner purchased him as a yearling for only $1,200!

    Aloha.

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    Man O War was a cheap (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:29:19 AM EST
    Almost chrome, I don't think he had 4 white socks.  He was purchased though bargain basement, already gelded though :(

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    Did you see Maleficent? (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:05:28 PM EST
    What race was that? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:10:53 PM EST
    Just kidding! That would be a great name for a fast filly, though.

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    Not yet (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:18:41 PM EST
    Things came up and got in the way of all of us getting to go together.

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    Was curious what (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:22:03 PM EST
    Wow (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:28:00 PM EST
    I'll have to see it (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 02:29:56 PM EST
    In order to elaborate further :)

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    Wow is right (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:38:30 PM EST
    I may go tomorrow...was at Epcot all day today though, so I may be disneyed out for the weekend.

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    Epic fail on seeing the movie today (none / 0) (#110)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:40:31 PM EST
    I did just woe up from a 3 hour nap though, wings intact.

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    Secretariat lover :) (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:19:17 AM EST
    Guilty (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:30:23 AM EST
    I was 8 yrs old that day (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:33:32 AM EST
    Standing next to my dad who was seated watching the race.  I suppose not everyone remembers where they were that day :). Whenever my dad was a little in the bag he would declare that Willie Shoemaker was the greatest jockey to ever live :)

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    I was 12 years old, myself. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 01:19:17 PM EST
    My cousin (who's only three weeks older than me) and I have always shared an abiding fascination for horses, particularly racehorses. We watched the '73 Belmont and rooted for Secretariat at her house, yelling so loudly that my aunt was compelled to come to the den to see what all the commotion was about. Even she was impressed. 31 lengths!

    Three weeks later, I was visiting my paternal grandparents in northwest suburban Chicago, and I successfully convinced them -- or badgered them, depending upon one's POV -- to take me to see Secretariat run in the Arlington Invitational at Arlington Park, after repeatedly brushing aside and dismissing their protests about the prospective traffic that day. We soon became a small caravan as other family members heard we were going and agreed to join us, sensing that we were to collectively bear witness to true greatness.

    And so the '73 Arlington Invitational remains an indelible memory for me, because Secretariat (with he and jockey Ron Turcotte all decked out in their ummistakable blue-and-white checkerboard garb) easily ran away from the field in that race, too. My grandfather also loved the ponies, and he admitted afterward that he'd never seen anything quite like that horse, and was glad that we braved the crowds to see him race in person.

    (I still have the $2 ticket he bet on Secretariat that day, which he never cashed for obvious reasons and gave to me afterward.)

    You'll never get an argument from me that Secretariat wasn't the greatest thoroughbred racehorse of all time, or at the very least, the very best we'll most likely ever see in our own lifetimes.

    Aloha.

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    That's funny, I do too (none / 0) (#74)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 09:40:30 PM EST
    In fact I was in the car, on some kind of a road trip with my mom and sister, and we listed to it on the radio. Very exciting! I never did see video of it until just a few years ago through the wonders of the internet.

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    Two open threads (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:52:59 PM EST
    And it looks like another freakin deluge is going to arrive just in time for prime time.  How does it always know?

    THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR

    * PORTIONS OF CENTRAL ARKANSAS...EASTERN ARKANSAS...NORTH CENTRAL ARKANSAS AND WESTERN ARKANSAS...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS...IN CENTRAL ARKANSAS...CONWAY...FAULKNER... PERRY...POPE...WHITE AND YELL. IN EASTERN ARKANSAS...JACKSON AND WOODRUFF. IN NORTH CENTRAL ARKANSAS...BAXTER...BOONE... CLEBURNE...FULTON...INDEPENDENCE...IZARD...MARION...NEWTON... SEARCY...SHARP...STONE AND VAN BUREN. IN WESTERN ARKANSAS... JOHNSON...LOGAN...MONTGOMERY...POLK AND SCOTT.



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    Confirmed (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:42:53 PM EST
    Weather channel future radar puts me smack dab in the middle of the deluge at exactly 8pm

    GRRRR

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    Well, you better batten down the hatches. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 06:17:54 PM EST
    It looks like it's going to be a dark and stormy night your way again.

    But honestly though, Cap'n, isn't that the prevailing story of most any Midwestern spring and summer? I've never seen such consistently violent weather as whenever I've been visiting there. It can be a perfectly lovely day, but then a huge storm front quickly moves in from the northwest and next thing you know, Auntie Em is yelling at Uncle Henry that she can't find Dorothy as he's trying to hustle her down into the cellar.

    Good luck. tonight. Hopefully, it won't be too bad.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 06:38:32 PM EST
    This spring has been unusual I think.  Sure we always have weather but I honestly don't remember the last day it did not rain.   And I just saw the weather and it continues right through the next seven days.
    Something about how the jet stream is unusually far south for this time of year or something.  The damn thing is sitting right over my house.

    In a way it's good because it's usually starting to dry out by now and the summer is to hot and dry.

    Flash flooding is really a problem in the hills when the ground is saturated.  Not for me.  I live on the very top of a very big hill.  If my house gets flooded yours probably will be too.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 06:40:02 PM EST
    Yesterday I had golf ball sized hail.  I was in the shower or I would have recorded the sound.  Quite unbelievable on a metal roof

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    Rice? (none / 0) (#126)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 07:00:30 PM EST
    Can you grow rice?

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    Not currently (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 07:05:55 PM EST
    Perhaps terraced rice fields are in out future.

    They actually grow rice in some of the delta parts of the state.

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    And Now (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 12:36:48 PM EST
    Ireland's Home Children or Home Babies were used in drug trials without consent.

    What a horrible nightmare. (none / 0) (#69)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:28:06 PM EST
    Can they just race already? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 04:09:27 PM EST
    I got chores man

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:23:30 PM EST
    The pre-race hype is more nonsensical than the pre-game hoopla accompanying the Super Bowl. And NBC's already re-run the story about California Chrome's owners, which really wasn't all that interesting the first time around.

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    At least Victor has his nasal strip on :) (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:31:15 PM EST
    Not that it helped. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:00:16 PM EST
    It's all over, and a fifth-place finish for Chrome, who looked like he just didn't have the juice for the long track.

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    He didn't seem to have (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:07:25 PM EST
    Anything when he was turned loose.  It did appear to me that his jockey was holding him back pretty firmly though until the backstretch, but at such a camera distance it is hard to be certain.  I thought I saw him toss his head twice fighting being held. When it looked like he turned him loose though, not much there.  

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    Nanobubbles (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 04:44:03 PM EST
    destroy cancer cells

    "What kills the most-resistant cancer cells is the intracellular synergy of these components and the events we trigger in cells," said Lapotko in a press-release. "This synergy showed a 100-fold amplification of the therapeutic strength of standard chemoradiation in experiments on cancer cell cultures."

    When the system was tested in mice with aggressive, chemotherapy resistant head and neck squamous cell carcinomas, it was found to be so effective that only between 2-6% of the normal clinical doses of drugs and X-rays were required. Furthermore, the tumors were eliminated within just week one of administering the therapy and the surrounding normal tissues were spared.

    Nobody at Belmont is being (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:43:54 PM EST
    Overly noisy on purpose right now....surely not

    Bummer (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:58:19 PM EST


    I still (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:06:19 PM EST
    Like Victor

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    Well yes...he's the $hit today (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:08:03 PM EST
    Wow! (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:08:13 PM EST
    Those are some very ugly sour grapes that are being spewed from Chrome's owner Steve Coburn right now. Some family member should pull him away from the TV camera, before he really makes a fool of himself.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#52)
    by Dadler on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:11:57 PM EST
    Did you see his wife, I believe, behind him telling him to stop. He turned to her and sniped "I don't care!" To which she replied, "Well I do."

    And saying it was the coward's way?  Egad.

    I agree about limiting the field for the TC as he says but come on, my man, you took all that goodwill toward you and your horse and flushed it.

    Sad.

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    He did have a point though (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:16:34 PM EST
    What other sport can you go to the championship in without going to the playoffs?

    Maybe it's just my mood today, but I kinda appreciated the non-BS speech :P

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    Oh, I agree on that point (none / 0) (#61)
    by Dadler on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:26:33 PM EST
    It's just, you know, if you're gonna grouse about it hardcore, do it BEFORE the race or a few weeks later. But right after, egad, he literally just took that great story of his and, poof, torched it. I do expect, at some point, a teary apology. But maybe not.

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    Then he should work to change the rules. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:29:14 PM EST
    And good luck with that, now that he's opened his big mouth and probably p!ssed everybody off. The rules by which the Triple Crown races are run have been in place for decades, and he's whining like a baby about it ex post facto.

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    I think that has begun (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:54:35 PM EST
    Sometimes when you have class, people just use it as a way to ignore you :). You are easily blown off for squeakier wheels.

    When you show everyone your azz, it's a passionate conversation starter :)

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    We'll see. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:12:15 PM EST
    Racing authorities can be pretty set in their ways, and as most political organizations are wont to do, they'll often slow walk proposed rule amendments to a dead stop, rather than look like they're being bullied or stampeded into making the demanded changes.

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    Everybody in thoroughbred racing (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:37:13 PM EST
    Is first slain by tradition.  If you survive that, everything else comes after.

    DAP racing :). Did you see their silks?  They showed us their uncivilized ass and their uncivilized ass showed us his uncivilized ass :)

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    Yeah, I saw that. (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:17:28 PM EST
    And he just shrugged her off and kept on spewing, completely oblivious to the spectacle he was making of himself on national television.

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    Tonalist didn't run (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:16:46 PM EST
    In the Derby or the Preakness, Wicked Strong skipped the Preakness. It has to be hard.

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    Sure, it is. (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:25:12 PM EST
    But until somebody changes the rules, Coburn should suck it up and deal with it like an adult. I agree with the sentiments express by Dadler and CG. I don't think Karl Marx had Coburn's comments in mind when he envisioned a classless society.

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    I guess the Commissioner didn't run (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:30:12 PM EST
    In the Derby or the Preakness either

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    This argument has come up before. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:06:11 PM EST
    The owners of the great filly Rachel Alexandra (the 2009 Horse of the Year) made a conscious decision to skip the 2009 Kentucky Derby, preferring to run her instead in the all-filly Kentucky Oaks, which she won easily by 12-plus lengths.

    Afterward, Rachel Alexandra was sold to Steve Aumussen, and he changed the former owner's policy of not racing her against colts. Another racehorse owner, Jess Jackson, then paid the Maryland racing authority a $10,000 supplemental fee, which allowed Aumussen to enter her in the 2009 Preakness.

    The owners of that year's Kentucky Derby winner Mine That Bird weren't too happy with that, and intimated publicly that Jackson and the racing authority were bringing in a ringer. They were proved right, of course, as Rachel Alexandra won the Preakness -- the first filly in 85 years to do so -- and thus derailed Bird's Triple Crown hopes.

    But Jackson's and Aumussen's motivation was not to thwart Mine That Bird, but rather to increase Rachel Alexandra's value as a dam with a victory over the boys in the Preakness. After her retirement, she was bred with Jackson's champion colt Curlin, and in July 2012 produced a bay colt (and future champion0 named Jess's Dream.

    Aloha.

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    What's the dif between the Oaks and (none / 0) (#70)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 07:37:06 PM EST
    the Derby aside from all filly? Same length?

    If the races are basically the same, I don't see as big a deal as bringing in a fresh horse.

    RA prob would have won the Derby and MTB's owner would have been even unhappier, beaten twice by a girl!  ;)

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    I never understood why ... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 11:07:51 PM EST
    ... the former owners never raced Rachel Alexandra in the Kentucky Derby, and kept her in fillies-only races. The Kentucky Oaks is not only the same length as the Derby, it's also at Churchill Downs.

    And given her time in that race and her overall performance that 2009 season, I thought she would've certainly stood a very good chance of actually winning the Derby. The oddsmakers knew how good she was. When it was announced that she would be entering the Preakness, she immediately shot to the front of the pack as one of the favorites.

    Rachel Alexandra could've been the first filly to be in the position to win a Triple Crown.

    Aloha.

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    Now that would have rocked! (none / 0) (#82)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 11:42:19 PM EST
    Here's how today shook out with the horses:

    Despite the petulance, his sore-loser rant is rooted in a truth that makes the Triple Crown fundamentally flawed: it is rigged against the best horse. While California Chrome was grinding through his third race in five weeks, Tonalist was running for just the second time since February. The lightly-raced colt had only started four times prior to the Belmont, and had not won a race of any significance until taking the Peter Pan Stakes May 10 here at Belmont. That stamped him as a contender in this race.

    That's why Tonalist could not have run in the Derby even if owner Robert Evans and trainer Christophe Clement wanted him to. Under the points system used to qualify for the Derby, Tonalist wasn't even close to making that field.

    Yet he was able to come back here and play spoiler - and he had company. Second-place finisher Commissioner also has been out since the Peter Pan Stakes. Third-place Medal Count ran in the Derby but skipped the Preakness. Wicked Strong, which finished in a dead heat for fourth with California Chrome, also ran the Derby but skipped the Preakness.



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    36 years ago in 1978, Affirmed became ... (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 01:44:16 AM EST
    ... the third Triple Crown winner in a six-year stretch and the second in a row, and people back then were wondering aloud whether the circuit had gotten too easy. Go figure.

    I'd argue that the Triple Crown is difficult for good reason, and that those horses which have won all three legs deserve to be considered among the all-time elite in the sport. Further, some of the truly great thoroughbreds in racing history never even ran in a Triple Crown race, especially back in the early part of the 20th century when horseracing circuits were more regional and localized.

    The fabled Seabiscuit was one of those. He was already a well-known horse that was popular with fans on the California circuit when his owners decided to try his luck in more prestigious stakes races back east. (At five years of age, he was too old for the Triple Crown legs, which are reserved for three-year-olds exclusively.) His historic November 1, 1938 match race at Pimlico (MD) with that year's unbeaten Triple Crown winner War Admiral is the stuff of racing legend. Oddsmakers had cast War Admiral as an overwhelming 1-4 favorite, but Seabiscuit won by four lengths, despite the fact that War Admiral's time was actually his best ever for that distance and track. (Here's the film of the entire race, which includes the track call.)

    Aloha.

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    Like you, I am also of the opinion (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:56:31 AM EST
    that the measure of "the greatest horse" is that he has the ability to run in three races in five weeks and win, even against "fresh" competition.
    Having said that, I would also add that I think there should be a month between each of the three races.  Derby the first of May;  Preakness the first of June;  Belmont the first of July (maybe July 4).
    But I wouldn't limit the races only to horses who race all three races.  Horse racing isn't like a human team sport, where you cannot just pop in and compete in the play-offs.  Each Triple Crown race is also a race unto itself, and part of a day's program of races at each track.


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    My sister had a pretty good take on it. (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:39:18 PM EST
    A big tennis fan, she asked whether we might consider similarly limiting the competition in Grand Slam events to only those players who have won a tournament in the prior twelve months, or are ranked at No. 20 or above.

    She also noted that in Carl Lewis' last Olympics, he won the gold medal for the long jump, the only event in which he was entered that year, and asked facetiously whether that was fair to those long jump athletes who had earlier competed in the various sprint events and were fatigued.

    She's clearly spotted a gaping hole in the logical consistency of those proponents who'd change the rules for the Triple Crown. I'm sorry that I didn't first think of it myself.

    Aloha.

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    Tracks seeking a little more (none / 0) (#175)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:47:12 PM EST
    Notoriety should exploit the need.  You will never get the race dates changed without an application of competitive friction.  If I were in racing and I wanted a purer competition I would be meeting with people to begin lining it up. Racing fans would be excited about three races similar to the triple crown with one entry fee divided between the three tracks.  If you want to scratch your horse after the first or second race go ahead.

    I don't care what anybody says, that kind of a competition would draw lots of interest.

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    I expect BTD to figure this out (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:34:29 PM EST
    Lawyer it all out.  Use this emotional energy to better the racing world.

    As soon as he recovers from his concussion he experienced when he fell out of his box screaming in Wicked Strong's general direction :)

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    From what I'm getting (none / 0) (#59)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:20:24 PM EST
    he didn't qualify for the Derby.

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    ... cameras moved on. In an interview with Yahoo! Sports, he offered this gem:

    "They're a bunch of g*dd&mn cheaters. If your horse doesn't even have the points to run in the Kentucky Derby, he shouldn't be able to run in the Triple Crown. They're g*dd&mn cheaters. [The defeat] hurt a lot because this isn't my horse, this is America's horse. ... We've still got the best horse in the United States."

    What a jackass! I realize that Coburn is undoubtedly disappointed, but I'm sorry, the owners of Belmont winner Tonalist are not "cowards," nor are they "g*dd&mn cheaters." They simply took advantage of an opportunity presented to them by the local racing authority, and under the present rules, what they did in entering a fresh horse in the Belmont was perfectly legal.

    Tonalist's trainer Christophe Clement, when asked about Coburn's tirade, shrugged his shoulders, smiled and said, "I'm sure I will manage to find a way to sleep tonight despite being a disappointment [to Coburn]."

    Aloha.


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    Update: And the hits just keep on coming. (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 03:44:23 PM EST
    I swear, Steve Coburn really doesn't know when to shut up. It's Sunday morning, the day after the race, and he's STILL mouthing off to anyone who'll bother to listen.

    Contrast that to California Chrome himself, who's content to munch on a bale of hay. Or to Chrome's 77-year-old trainer Art Sherman, a Southern Cal racetrack journeyman who was thrust into the spotlight alongside his horse, and uses his Andy Warhol-allotted 15 minutes wisely and respectfully. Refusing to get drawn into Coburn's self-immolating drama yesterday, he graciously spoke to reporters today about Chrome and his own newfound, late-in-life fame.

    "You can't be a hero all the time. I did win the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness, and the horse has made more than three million dollars," he said. "I think I'll get a pretty good reception when I go back to Los Alamitos."

    I hope that when people think back on California Chrome's accomplishments these past five weeks, they'll also remember his mild-mannered and unassuming trainer, and not his ill-bred horse's a$$ of an owner.

    Aloha.

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    Actually (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:19:26 PM EST
    The owner was still posing for photos and thanking the fans after the race and his outburst. He didn't let his feelings about the race spill over to all of the horse's fans.

    Answer me this, what makes you say the owner is "ill-bred"? What part of his breeding do you have an issue with?

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    Generally, I'd like to believe that ... (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:39:08 PM EST
    ... racehorse owners with with good breeding -- or at least, a mother who taught them good manners -- won't take to the nation's airwaves and other media to repeatedly accuse the owners and trainers of a rival horse of cheating and cowardice.

    Now, I fully realize that Steve Coburn was disappointed by yesterday's result, as was probably anyone who put down big money on California Chrome to win.

    But hey, the agony of defeat is easily as big a part of the sports world as the thrill of victory, if not even more so. (After all, 67 of the 68 teams invited to the NCAA men's basketball tournament each year will lose a game and be eliminated before it's all done.)

    And those who freely choose of their own accord to participate in that world need to deal with the prospect of losing in a mature and rational manner whenever it arises, as it inevitably will at some point. As Chrome's trainer Art Sherman said today, you're not going to be a hero all the time.

    So, at the very least, I believe that Coburn owes Tonalist's owner(s) and trainer an equally public apology for his public tantrum. Absent that, my stated opinion of him will stand.

    Aloha.

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    My family and I were out to dinner (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:21:53 AM EST
    Saturday and ended up watching the race itself on our phones (no one wanted to head into the bar); none of us had seen really any of the pre- race coverage, and naturally didn't see a whole lot of the post-race coverage - but I'll tell you what we did notice: that it took NBC a disgracefully long time to focus on the horse that actually won the race.  Regardless of the fact that there was so much excitement for a possible Triple Crown winner, that doesn't excuse the network failing to give Tonalist and his owners/trainers the credit that should properly go to the winner of a race like this.

    As for Coburn, he's wrong about limiting the Preakness and Belmont to only those horses who ran in the Derby.  You only need to look at how many horses don't go on to the 2nd leg, and how many who don't go on to the third to realize that under Coburn's plan, you could end up with a Belmont field of 4 or 5 horses.  Or fewer, if the Derby winner doesn't win the Preakness.  Yeah, that does seem more like a "playoff," but I don't believe it would generate the same kind of interest.  I'm not sure there's a way to level this particular playing field, other than to put more space between the three races, so more horses who've earned the points necessary to run them will do so.

    If you look at golf, for example, the PGA doesn't require that anyone who wants to play a major tournament has to commit to playing all of them, and golfers who are pre-qualified, or who play in, can pick and choose which tournaments they enter.  

    I don't believe his rant was the result of bad breeding.  I think it was the result of someone new to horse racing, not to mention racing at this level where the snooty factor is very high, just being overcome by his emotions.  Again, though, had the network exercised some better judgment, they'd have been concentrating on the winning horse's owners/trainers/jockey, which might  have given Coburn time to get those emotions under control - or to have the trainer standing in for all the face time.   But good judgment falls victim to the drama and the controversy, as usual.

    Maybe next year.


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    We did used to only end up (none / 0) (#146)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:09:21 AM EST
    With 5 or 6 horses sometimes at the Belmont though.

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    Well, that's true, and I'd guess those (none / 0) (#148)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:34:29 AM EST
    small fields were probably in years when a different horse won the Preakness and there was no chance at a Triple Crown winner.

    It has to be hard being the last leg in the TC; I have to think that the folks who put on that show are over the moon when the Derby horse wins the Preakness; I feel like, when that doesn't happen, you can almost hear the disappointment all the way from NY.

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    I think a couple of the TC winners (none / 0) (#151)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 12:14:16 PM EST
    ran against short fields. Running out so I can't look it up :)

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    Surprisingly, all the TC winners (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 12:49:04 PM EST
    ran against a short field:

    No Triple Crown winner has beaten more than seven horses in the Belmont to win the Triple Crown. In 1977 Seattle Slew beat seven horses, as did Citation in 1948.

    On average, the 11 prior Triple Crown winners have beaten 4.4 horses in the Belmont. The average Belmont field size in Triple Crown wins is 5.4 starters, while the average Belmont field size in Triple Crown Belmont losses is 9.2 starters.

    Did the horses beaten in those Triple crown-winning races all run in the first two legs?  I haven't gotten that far, but there have to be stats for that, too.

    My thinking is this: shouldn't the horse that wins the Triple Crown be good enough to beat all comers, regardless of whether they ran in all three legs?  I mean, you might make the case that being able to win against so-called "fresh" horses means more than winning against horses that are just as tired from racing the first two legs.

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    Exactly so, Anne (none / 0) (#150)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:59:40 AM EST
    I was thinking the same thing about the comparison with the PGA.

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    Or you could look at it (none / 0) (#152)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 12:16:03 PM EST
    like track and field, swimming, etc :)  I think more time between races would work, but from what I understand the NYRA isn't on board.

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    And they probably won't (none / 0) (#154)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 12:35:13 PM EST
    get on board anytime soon.  
    Nor will any of the thoroughbred racing authorities and associations, I'm sure.
    Although, the NYRA certainly didn't have a problem reversing itself on the nasal strips, right before the Belmont.  One could perhaps speculate that, if Chrome had won the Belmont, the owners of the other horses in the race could complain that Coburn "cheated" and entered his horse because of that last-minute decision in his horse's favor.    ;-)


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    Apology? (none / 0) (#138)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 09:15:30 AM EST
    Steve Coburn, the co-owner of California Chrome today reined in his disappointment over losing the Belmont Stakes and the Triple Crown and said he was "very ashamed" and "was wrong" for his post-race rant.

    Maybe this is where you get to apologize for calling him ill-bred.

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    One of the best public apologies (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by nycstray on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:37:09 AM EST
    I've seen.

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    I'll only ask this: (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:56:10 PM EST
    Do you truly believe that Steve Coburn would have apologized of his own accord, had he not been repeatedly raked over the coals in the national media for his disgraceful and insulting comments about Tonalist's owners and trainer, in which he accused them of cheating and cowardice?

    And no, I won't apologize for my comments about Coburn, because to be perfectly honest, despite his tardy apology my opinion of him hasn't really changed. I'm only sorry that the man proved himself to be a most selfish and unsportsmanlike boor on Saturday and Sunday, because his antics and statements stole the limelight away from those people (and horses) who were far more worthy of the public's attention -- including the actual winners of the Belmont.

    Aloha.

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    If you watched the Preakness, you (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 08:29:23 PM EST
    would have seen a little glimpse into Coburn's not-so-folksy darker side, when he didn't have much nice to say about the treatment they received at Churchill Downs:

    After winning the 139th Preakness on Saturday, California Chrome co-owner Steve Coburn went out of his way to praise the hospitality he received while in Baltimore this week.

    But he also made some pointed remarks about the way his group was treated two weeks earlier at Churchill Downs for the Kentucky Derby. While he wouldn't go into great detail, he said the treatment there factored in his co-owner Perry Martin's decision not to attend the Preakness.

    [snip]

    "I'm serious as a heart attack," he said. "Because you know what? We got to Churchill and not only did I complain, but there were other trainers and owners, and even the jockeys were complaining about the way they were treated. I've said this once, I've said it 50 times, Churchill Downs needs to call Maryland to get a lesson in hospitality. Because these people right here, they've treated us like we're royalty, and I can't say thank you enough."

    I remember thinking at the time that it seemed so unnecessary a comment to be making right after his horse had just won the Preakness.  He's won this big race and then takes the time to slam Churchill Downs?  Why?  Had he been made to feel like a second-class citizen because he wasn't one of the blue-bloods?  Had they made him feel like he wasn't good enough to participate in the sport of kings, and now he was having a nyah-nyah-nyah moment?

    Isn't winning revenge enough?  I guess not.

    And then his horse loses at Belmont, and not by a nose or a head or a neck.  Maybe he feels cheated, or stupid, or thinks the hoity-toity crowd will be laughing at him.  I don't know.  

    What I do know is that some people have manners and some don't.  I've met people with nothing whose manners would put Emily Post to shame, and those who think money's all the manners you need.  I don't know where, exactly, Coburn fits on the spectrum, but it's been my experience that manners will never let you down; no one's ever going to knock you for being polite and gracious. They will open doors that might otherwise be closed, and keep the ones that are open from slamming in your face.

    One can only hope Coburn actually learns something about himself from this, but my guess is this will eat at him just like all the other slights and moments of perceived disrespect.

    We'll see.  Kinda makes you wonder if his co-owner stayed away from the Preakness and Belmont because he didn't want to be in the vicinity when Coburn inevitably hit the fan.

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    Reports (none / 0) (#181)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 09:07:44 PM EST
    (and confirmed by the Co-owner) is that the co-owner in question (Perry Martin) missed the Preakness because he doesn't enjoy the spotlight and instead cashed in his Derby futures bet in Vegas that weekend with his family (to the tune of $150,000)...thus making Colburn FOS on even that topic.

    So you may be right in that Colburn's antics may lead Martin to steer clear.

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    Maybe Coburn Was Spot On (none / 0) (#182)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:32:36 PM EST
    Why would you call this a  not so folksy darker side? And is folksy your euphemism for lower class?

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    I gather (w/zippo knowlege) the media didn't (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:41:05 PM EST
    include any coverage critical of Colburn until his horse failed to win at Belmont.

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    Loquacious (none / 0) (#186)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:14:58 PM EST
    He [Chrome] can make two rookie owners -- one a loquacious cowboy with a lucky 10-year-old hat and the other a reserved businessman who brought his 83-year-old mother to Churchill Downs for the race (and supported her fragile body from a spot on the rail) [reason for Coburn's lack of hospitality comment] -- smarter than all of racing's sheikhs and barons, and all of its hedge fund heroes and hustlers, at half the cost of a Prius.

    He can make a sport breathe.

    Sports Illustrated

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    If I had wanted to say "low class" (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 06:40:01 AM EST
    I would have; that was not my point, and if you had read what I said about manners, maybe you'd not now be looking to stir the pot.

    I don't know anything about Coburn's station in life, what his background is, but he does seem to be lacking in manners,

    The story, beginning with the run-up to the Derby, was about these ordinary folks, who made a very modest investment, and through hard work and training, found themselves saddling a horse in the Kentucky Derby.  

    If Chrome was the Cinderella horse, then Coburn was the Cinderella owner (and yes, I know he had a partner, but he was more or less invisible, and isn't having to explain any remarks because he hasn't made any).  

    So, yeah - he was portrayed as "folksy;" Wilford Brimley - is there anyone folksier? - was always the face you'd see when people talked about who would play Coburn in the movie.

    It never usually turns out well when a loose cannon ends up in the spotlight, and yes, I think Coburn is a loose cannon.  Minding his manners would have maybe saved him from himself, but he didn't find them until he'd already publicly humiliated himself.

    The gee-that's-too-bad part of this is that Coburn may have some valid points, and it may well have opened up the discussion to the rest of what's wrong with racing - including how horses are bred and trained and drugged - but now, Coburn's just regarded as that loudmouth poor sport.

    And no "loudmouth" isn't a euphemism for "low class."

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    OK (none / 0) (#200)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 09:03:00 AM EST
    Folksy not about class?

    folk: esp. in numerous mod. Combs. (formed after Ger. precedent) with the sense `of, pertaining to, current or existing among, the people; traditional, of the common (local) people, esp. opp. sophisticated, cosmopolitan';

    OED

    I don't know anything about Coburn's station in life, what his background is, but he does seem to be lacking in manners,

    A major subtext of Chrome and his owners has been all about class. He is not from the moneyed class, and that meme along with the talk of his horse's questionable breeding, has been a major focus surrounding the discussion prior to the race.

    What do you think Coburn meant when he said that Chrome is America's horse?

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    Oh, great - he has a dictionary... (5.00 / 2) (#203)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 09:19:27 AM EST
    I have one, too!

    1
    :  sociable, friendly
    2
    :  informal, casual, or familiar in manner or style <folksy humor>

    You would do yourself an enormous favor if you stopped trying to make everyone's words fit your preconceived notion of what they have to mean so you have yet another opportunity to rip them.

    I've already been clear about the fact that manners are not something that only people of certain stations in life have, so why don't you put away tour Oxford English Dictionary and look and listen to Coburn's multiple nasty comments and see what is obvious: he needs to work on his manners.

    So, for that matter do you.  It's just plain rude to keep telling people that their words, clearly expressed and clearly and repeatedly explained for you, do not mean what they say they do.

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    Why are you now making this a class issue? (none / 0) (#190)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 01:20:24 AM EST
    Steve Coburn is an ill-mannered lout, and I think we've made it perfectly clear how we feel about it.

    You, on the other hand, appear to be once again looking for either a fight, or an angle to prove your self-perceived moral superiority to the rest of us -- or both.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but as for me, I'm really not interested.

    Aloha.

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    Some of the links (5.00 / 3) (#191)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 01:33:46 AM EST
    his comments support Colburn (and Squeaky's) point of view.

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    You're the one that started it (5.00 / 3) (#192)
    by nycstray on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 02:01:56 AM EST
    with comments about breeding, his being not up to your standards and comparing owners of good breeding . . .

    Did you even bother to watch his apology?

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    Class Issue (1.00 / 1) (#201)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 09:08:10 AM EST
    You, my friend has made this into a class issue from the start. From your comment about Coburn being ill-bred, to your own behavior around Coburn, which shows a less than classy approach.

    Oh you want to talk about manners?

    Well you do not appear to be taking the high road. Shall we say that the underlying rust on your polished veneer is breaking through?

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    Don't Know (2.00 / 1) (#183)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:40:55 PM EST
    I do not know Coburn, so it is impossible for me to gauge whether or not he would have apologized had he not gotten such bad press.

    In any case, he did apologize and apparently it was not with an upper class smirk, but quite sincere.

    I give him credit for that and yes I think you should apologize for your remarks, particularly because you said you would.

    So, at the very least, I believe that Coburn owes Tonalist's owner(s) and trainer an equally public apology for his public tantrum. Absent that, my stated opinion of him will stand.

    Classy not..

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    Don't Know (2.00 / 1) (#184)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:40:55 PM EST
    I do not know Coburn, so it is impossible for me to gauge whether or not he would have apologized had he not gotten such bad press.

    In any case, he did apologize and apparently it was not with an upper class smirk, but quite sincere.

    I give him credit for that and yes I think you should apologize for your remarks, particularly because you said you would.

    So, at the very least, I believe that Coburn owes Tonalist's owner(s) and trainer an equally public apology for his public tantrum. Absent that, my stated opinion of him will stand.

    Classy not..

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    Does Not Know When to Shut Up (none / 0) (#113)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:44:51 PM EST
    I swear, Steve Coburn really doesn't know when to shut up.

    Steve Coburn may not be the only one who cannot shut up, Donald....

    I have that problem sometimes too!

    so you are not alone, Donald..  hahaha...

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    Open threads are exactly that: Open. (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:17:46 PM EST
    If you're not interested in a particular topic and sub-thread, then you move on. That's what I and others here do. We don't target specific posters like an online heat-seeking missile because we have an unresolved issue or grudge with them, and hijack subthreads to make it all about us.

    So "hahaha," yourself.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#120)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:51:20 PM EST
    I am sure that your ill-bred Mr Coburn would have the same to say to you had he been a commenter here. Many who have the gift of gab, to put it politely, do not like it when what is obvious to all, is mentioned.

    Ironic, that you dish it out but have no sense of humor when it comes to yourself.

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    Class (none / 0) (#159)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 01:48:12 PM EST
    Higher Social Class Predicts Increased Unethical Behavior

    But they do it with class.

    Coburn, who made a good point is a working guy:

    Steve Coburn works in a factory that produces magnetic strips for credit cards while his wife, Carolyn, is retired.

    He should have gone to finishing school so he would know how to stick a knife in someones back while politely smiling and talking about the wonderful weather.

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    The guy had almost the entire country rooting for (none / 0) (#88)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 11:33:16 AM EST
    his horse and he couldn't appreciate and enjoy that for what it was and make some gracious comments about how much fun it had been contending for the Triple Crown.  What a loser - in more ways than one.

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    Except That He Made a Very Good Point (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 01:41:52 PM EST
    The only point by Colburn (none / 0) (#164)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:58:43 PM EST
    is the one on top of his head.

    But it was a good move by DAP using a portrait of Coburn on their silks. No one will forget them.

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    He also made some rather nasty comments (none / 0) (#168)
    by Angel on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 04:18:23 PM EST
    about "cowards."  Sorry, he doesn't get a pass from me for those first comments.  I can accept his apology today but stand by my original comment based on what he said immediately after losing the race.  He knew the rules going into the Triple Crown.  Period.  

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    Why All the Outrage? (none / 0) (#187)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:43:30 PM EST
    The guy is a rodeo guy, and the outburst seems pretty much what you would expect. He is not Prince Harry, really. No one had any thing taken away from them because of what Coburn said, despite what the talking heads on their fainting couches are saying.

    If you love horses and racing you got a good race.

    People made money, people lost money, people had a good time.

    I can't imagine any trainer, owner, winner or horse having their day ruined because of what Coburn said. Tonalist's Owner Robert Evans understood where Coburn was coming from.. And many are echoing Coburn's complaints.. as well as making others.

    Just because the media is making a bundle off fanning outrage and ensuing apology, no surprise here... why are all the normally intelligent commenters here are bent out of shape, does seem odd.

    Is this supposed to be some sort of classy operation where the hedge funders and blue bloods who have blood on their hands smile for the cameras and show off how to be role model for young Americans hoping to rise in social rank?

    I guess it is good ole American fun to guffaw at the lower classes and how they just do not know how to behave..  

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    Slow news day? Not enough (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:51:51 PM EST
    anonymous (in violation of Hippa) disclosure by Bergdahl's heslth care providers???

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    It's not about upper or lower class (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 11:59:21 PM EST
    It's the no class that is an issue. And it has nothing to do with the media. You'll find our comments here happened within seconds of the first of his many outbursts after the race and far before the media responded.

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    Huh? I said nothing about class. Go read my (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by Angel on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:18:33 AM EST
    two comments again.  Take your itch to fight elsewhere.  

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    Angel, it doesn't matter that you didn't (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:40:30 AM EST
    mention class; putting words in people's mouths is what squeaky does so he can have the argument he wants, rather than addressing the argument that's being made.

    Some days he takes all of us down the rabbit hole and turns TL into a version of the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.


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    Interesting (1.00 / 1) (#198)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:50:21 AM EST
    You focus on the class part of my comment... hot button?

    I guess it is a question of what you love, horse racing, betting, or how the owners behave after the race.

    Apparently you and others here are being led by the sensationalist media to focus your attention on the side show...  

    That is, if it is a side show for you.

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    No, it really isn't a matter of what (5.00 / 2) (#202)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 09:08:38 AM EST
    anyone loves, and it certainly isn't up to you to decide what the choices are.

    And it's quite obvious that the things you decide are "apparent" are chosen because they have the best chance of helping you make someone else look naive and ill-informed - not to mention that it takes any discussion completely sideways and then down the rabbit hole.

    People are already expressing what they think and feel; why not just take what people say at face value, and stop telling them they aren't really thinking or feeling those things?  

    Unless, of course, you do that deliberately, because you like getting people all wound up; as many times as people have called you out for doing it, I guess we can only conclude that this is how you entertain yourself.

    Get a TV.

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    Yeah, well, suffice to say that ... (none / 0) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 11:52:44 AM EST
    ... Mr. Coburn's fifteen minutes are up.

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    Oh, well. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:02:48 PM EST
    Time to transition. Go Kings!

    Vachon and Dionne (none / 0) (#53)
    by Dadler on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:12:51 PM EST
    Forum Blue and Gold. Jack Kent Cooke.

    Go KINGS!!!

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    Final: LA Kings 5, NY Rangers 4 (2OT). (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 10:52:18 PM EST
    If you didn't catch it, you missed an epic game. The Rangers have to be questioning themselves, having now failed to hold a two-goal lead in two straight games. With the series now shifting to Madison Square Garden on Monday night, the Kings now hold a 2-0 lead. And having won seven of their twelve road games this postseason, they could put the Rangers in a real hole with a split.

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    How much I would love (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 01:50:56 PM EST
    To have been one of his rides

    Carsick: John Waters Hitchhikes Across America [Hardcover]

    John Waters is putting his life on the line. Armed with wit, a pencil-thin mustache, and a cardboard sign that reads "I'm Not Psycho," he hitchhikes across America from Baltimore to San Francisco, braving lonely roads and treacherous drivers. But who should we be more worried about, the delicate film director with genteel manners or the unsuspecting travelers transporting the Pope of Trash?
         Before he leaves for this bizarre adventure, Waters fantasizes about the best and worst possible scenarios: a friendly drug dealer hands over piles of cash to finance films with no questions asked, a demolition-derby driver makes a filthy sexual request in the middle of a race, a gun-toting drunk terrorizes and holds him hostage, and a Kansas vice squad entraps and throws him in jail. So what really happens when this cult legend sticks out his thumb and faces the open road? His real-life rides include a gentle eighty-one-year-old farmer who is convinced Waters is a hobo, an indie band on tour, and the perverse filmmaker's unexpected hero: a young, sandy-haired Republican in a Corvette.

    Just watching on Maher.  See it if you can.

    Jim Geraghty also on Maher (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 01:56:50 PM EST
    Isn't he an acquaintance of BTDs?  Or am I thinking of someone else.

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    He is so great (none / 0) (#111)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 04:42:58 PM EST
    I downloaded the book from Audible after seeing him on Maher last night. His other memoir is fantastic - I recommend listening to his books, since he reads them himself. Next best thing to having him over for an evening.

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    The closing monologue (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 05:59:19 PM EST
    On guns was pretty terrific

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    Well HD is gone but (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 07:42:52 PM EST
    As of now SD is still holding up.  And we are right in the middle of the big green weather blob.
    (Woo hoo)

    Will you get to watch GoT? It just finished here (none / 0) (#129)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:14:51 PM EST
    I did. In SD (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:21:25 PM EST
    Just left this in the wrong thread

    Did you see GOT?  Not your favorite episode I'm thinking.  But interesting previews for th finale.  Dragon head.  Are they going to save the day after all?

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    Yeah, that was pretty much what I expected (none / 0) (#131)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:30:30 PM EST
    An epic fight to the status quo.  Had some good moments - liked the ice scythe.  But overall a snoozer for me. Looked like a video game.

    Glad I knew it was going to be all about the wall so I wasn't real keyed up to watch it. Not like last week!! that was awesome.

    I missed the previews...glad there is hope for something interesting next week.

    Give Mad Men a try, at least the whole first season. Some excellent character studies there.

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    I think the finale is (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:37:17 PM EST
    Going to be one to watch.  It's called "The Children"
    I know some stuff.

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    America's Shooting Gallery: (none / 0) (#133)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 09:45:27 PM EST
    NRA Exec. Director Wayne LaPierre's idea of a "well-regulated militia" just shot up a Las Vegas pizzeria and Wal-Mart this afternoon, ambushing and killing two police officers before killing themselves in an ensuing shootout with law enforcement. A woman in Wal-Mart also died in the fusillade.

    I sincerely hope that one of these days, we'll finally cast off our collective folly with regards to firearms policies, and come to realize that our citizens enjoy a constitutional right to live in peace and security, which should logically and rightfully trump the so-called right of demented malcontents with axes to grind to first arm themselves to the teeth, and then site the innocent in their crosshairs.

    Aloha.

    I don't know what it is going to take, (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by ruffian on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 10:02:14 PM EST
    and at this point the horse is so far out of the barn I don't think policy and laws can catch up. My only hope is that that the ever clearer insanity of the situation creates a cultural shift that turns the tide.

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    They were (none / 0) (#136)
    by jbindc on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 07:45:47 AM EST
    And -- surprise, surprise, surprise -- ... (none / 0) (#157)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 01:35:32 PM EST
    ... it looks like Jerad and Amanda Miller may have also been an active part of the wingbat crowd that flocked to Cliven Bundy's ranch. At the very least, it sure looks like they spent some considerable time there.

    According to neighbors at the Las Vegas apartment complex where they lived, the couple were white supremacists who regularly expressed racist and anti-government sentiments, and boasted of being part of the Bundy family's recent confrontation with federal law enforcement officials. Per the Indianapolis Star, they were originally from Lafayette, IN. The NRA must be so proud of these two right now.

    Aloha.

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    According to TPM, ... (none / 0) (#161)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:29:30 PM EST
    ... it appears that Mr. and Mrs. Miller were just too far out there, even for the Bundys. Apparently they were asked to leave the ranch, because Jerad had a prior felony conviction. (What? Jerad Miller had a criminal record? Surprise, surprise, surprise again.) Rather strange logic for Cliven Bundy & Co., to be worried about the aesthetics of someone else's criminal background, while simultaneously provoking an armed standoff with federal officials.

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    Saw that (none / 0) (#166)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:32:13 PM EST
    If you are too far out even for the Bundys, you are really, really far out there.
    I agree about the Bundy "logic" here, as well.  
    (Well, "logic" may be way too kind a word here to describe the Bundys.)

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    Honestly, something I saw today (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:56:20 PM EST
    made it sound like Gunfight at the OK Corral, with this faction drawing down on that faction, threats flying all over the place, factions jockeying for supremacy - apparently, there isn't as much homogeneity among the gun-rights groups as people think - and all of them giving new meaning to the term "trigger-happy."  The only positive I could get - and it wasn't all that big - was that maybe it was better more of them were all in one place than scattered all over the country where it's harder to keep an eye on them.

    Does it strike anyone else that these groups are havens for people who really would just as soon shoot you as look at you twice?  

    I'm sorry, but when it gets to the point where the average, law-abiding, reasonable person fears for his or her life just going into a store or a mall, or a school, I'm hard-pressed to understand how it is that my freedom and my rights haven't been taken from me.

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    It's getting really, really (none / 0) (#169)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 04:25:06 PM EST
    crazy out there, all right.   :-(
    When the NRA (!) issues a warning to gun activists (in Texas), you know that we have fallen far down the rabbit hole.

    Evidently the National Rifle Association has come to realize that none of this is good for business. In an extraordinary move on Friday, the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action--the organization's powerful lobbying arm in Washington--issued a lengthy statement seeking to distinguish between "responsible behavior" and "legal mandates." It told the Texas gun activists in no uncertain terms to stand down.

    Link.


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    The Paul Waldman column in the WashPo (none / 0) (#162)
    by christinep on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:32:28 PM EST
    With appropriate caveats, under the circumstances, Waldman openly says that it should not be surprising when continual & way over-the-top rightwing violent rhetoric lands on fertile ground.  Even though I applaud his straightforward saying-what-it-is-high-time-to-say, I feel a bit sad about the silence from others to date.  Mixing metaphors: That rightwing propaganda for so long seems like "reap what you sow" prelude.

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    Many media types were saying ... (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 04:58:16 PM EST
    christinep: "Waldman openly says that it should not be surprising when continual & way over-the-top rightwing violent rhetoric lands on fertile ground."

    ... similar things after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The wingbats just cranked up the volume, squawked to high heaven on the AM white-wing airwaves, and most all the major media simply apologized for having offended them and then dutifully stood down.

    Until voters started electing public officials who've actually grown a pair, and who'll stand up on our bahlaf and face down Wayne LaVavoom and the too-cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs crowd that's today's NRA, I'm afraid that all we can expect from our feckless leaders on this subject is yet another round of empty lamentations and harrumphs.

    Aloha.

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    "bahlaf"? LOL! (none / 0) (#171)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:00:44 PM EST
    I meant "behalf." That's what I get for typing too quickly.

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    Conceal and carry does it really make you safer? (none / 0) (#165)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:59:06 PM EST
    According to new reports:

    Police say a shopper armed with a concealed weapon confronted the armed man who entered Wal-Mart with his wife moments after they killed two officers.

    Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said Monday that 31-year-old Joseph Wilcox of Las Vegas was in the checkout line when he saw Jerad Miller fire a shot and went to confront him.

    Miller's wife, Amanda, pulled out a gun and shot Wilcox in the rib area. He collapsed and died.

    McMahill says Wilcox wasn't able to fire any shots. AP



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    That worked out really well, didn't it? (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:15:15 PM EST
    Condolences to Joseph Wilcox's family for their loss. That said, statistics from the Centers for Disease Control -- which has long tracked gun violence as a public health issue -- have shown that people who choose to conceal-carry firearms are many times more likely to find themselves in an armed confrontation that results in their own serious injury or death, than those persons who choose to go on about their day in an unarmed manner.

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    Turns out California Chrome ran (none / 0) (#135)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 08, 2014 at 10:46:55 PM EST
    With a pretty nasty injury.  Knocked a chunk out of his hoof at the starting gate.  That story plays second fiddle to his owners melt.

    Good morning Dave (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 09:21:28 AM EST
    It's all downhill from here-

    Computer passes Turing Test for first time by convincing judges it is a 13-year-old boy

    Eugene Goostman seems like a typical 13-year-old Ukrainian boy -- at least, that's what a third of judges at a Turing Test competition this Saturday thought. Goostman says that he likes hamburgers and candy and that his father is a gynecologist, but it's all a lie. This boy is a program created by computer engineers led by Russian Vladimir Veselov and Ukrainian Eugene Demchenko.

    That a third of judges were convinced that Goostman was a human is significant -- at least 30 percent of judges must be swayed for a computer to pass the famous Turing Test. The test, created by legendary computer scientist Alan Turing in 1950, was designed to answer the question "Can machines think?" and is a well-known staple of artificial intelligence studies.

    I for one welcome our new digital overlords.  They can hardly do worse than we have.

    FWIW (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 09:29:03 AM EST
    They still can't win at go..

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    Hard core art (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 09:31:44 AM EST
    South Korea is sometimes known for it's strange and unusual paintings and sculptures..... but this one takes the cake. No, it wasn't an anime version of Miley Cyrus twerking....

    Lotte Shopping Center in Busan, South Korea has been home to a Spider-Man sculpture by an artist Eunsuk Yoo for over a year. What makes this even more unusual is that this was "erected" over a children's play area. Nice work, Eunsuk! It's a rather unusual, somewhat amusing sculpture of Spider-Man with a raging boner.

    The artist was quoted as saying, " My reason for making this piece was to apply the natural and physical phenomenon to a Superhero and depict it natural in the morning without lies and being superficial in a comical way".


    Mmmm-k

    Haha (none / 0) (#142)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:03:56 AM EST
    Once it is removed it can be sold as a sex toy..  pushing the envelope a bit..

    Would work nicely with an Allen Jones table or chair

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    In the morning.....without lies ? (none / 0) (#173)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 05:16:43 PM EST
    Or underwear (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 08:47:28 PM EST