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A new Jeep for the New Year. My last three Jeeps have been black, charcoal and granite. Time for a change. I'll probably spend the rest of the weekend learning all its new features.

V-8 engines are getting scarcer, and despite the promotions, I don't think V-6 engines come close in power when you're heading up a big hill (like I-70 from Golden to the mountains.) This one makes it a breeze. It's also much quieter than the V-6. Since I drive less than 5,000 miles a year, the reduced gas mileage isn't a big issue for me.

One thing I've learned my lesson on: When you're buying rather than leasing, get the extended warranty. After 3 years, my old jeep had only 10,000 miles, but the warranty ended in July and the cost of everything, from diagnosis to actual repairs is really high. [More...]

I've been buying Jeeps since the early 80's, always at the same place. Over the years, it's changed from Emich to John Elway to Auto Nation, but the management, sales and service people are always top notch. They make buying a new car painless. You can do it an hour or two, or as I did yesterday, take 9 hours and walk the lot looking at all the window stickers and test-driving a variety of vehicles. Since it's right at the base of the big hill that goes up I-70, it's the perfect site for a test drive. If you are in the market for a new Jeep, check them out.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Oh yeah. This'll work (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 04:42:22 PM EST
    New Bill Would Make Wearing Hoodies A Crime

    Oklahoma lawmakers are planning to introduce a bill this February that would make it illegal to wear hooded sweatshirts, or "hoodies," in public, according to a report from Oklahoma's Channel 6 News.


    Why don't they just cut to the chase (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 07:15:59 PM EST
    Summary execution for any and all "thugish behaviour". Justice signed sealed and delivered by your local LEO. Hell yes America is AWESOME.

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    I own a couple of hoodies (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 07:50:28 PM EST
    never really thought of myself a thuggish.  But I like it.  The Guy Fawkes mask for the new century.

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    i love my hoodies (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 08:45:16 PM EST
    They are warm and great to wear to exercise class or on walks. I have several from various parts of the country and also from the college where my grandsons have gone to school.

    Somehow this proposed law has to unconstitutional.

    Wanta bet that a young blond, blue-eyed man wearing a Yale hoodie won't be hassled by the cops. OTOH, it is just another excuse to target young brown and black people.

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    "Ow! The stupid, it hurts! Part MMCLIX." (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 09:10:02 PM EST
    If Oklahoma legislators are going to play the part of fashion police, could they at least introduce a measure outlawing the return of bell bottoms, platform shoes, and men's pants that look like the manufacturer stole Grandma's couch?

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    I agree there definitely (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 09:18:17 PM EST
    should be a law against those pants. ;oD Leave hoodies a l o n e - outlaw couch pants. ;oD

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    Let me guess... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by unitron on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:25:58 AM EST
    ...they're just going to happen to introduce it on February the 26th.

    Wouldn't it be simpler for those "lawmakers" to just hold a press conference and announce "we're total idiots, and shouldn't be allowed out in public without a minder"?

    On the day Trayvon Martin was shot and died, about 14 or 15 hours earlier, I was walking down the street, dressed in remarkably similar fashion--tan trousers, white tennis shoes, and a gray hoodie, same shade, same brand, just mine was zip up and his was pullover, but just as with him, I was traveling to and from a convenience store (had to get there early for the Sunday Raleigh paper before the coupon stealers put enough in the machine for one and walk off with all 10 or 20), and for all I know a stranger observing me might have thought who knows what. 'Course I'm older and whiter than he was, so that might have made a difference in how I was perceived.

    I'm reminded of that day and the co-incidence of sartorial not exactly splendor (at least not on me) as I contemplate how interesting life in OK would be if this law were actually passed (instead of laughed into the oblivion it and its would be authors so richly deserve) and the police suddenly having a lot of angry white people of all ages demanding to know just who they think they are, telling them what they can or can't wear.

    And sorting out what other garments with hoods do or do not qualify for banning under this law should pretty much fully tie up their entire state's entire court system around the clock for the next decade.

    I don't guess there are any extra points for being able to figure out of which political party the new fashion police of the OK legislature are members?

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    Oklahoma evidently is not the first (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:57:43 AM EST
    Similar laws banning hoodies and other face-coverings are already on the books in 10 states around the country, according to a report in Time Magazine. Several businesses in New York City have taken it upon themselves to prohibit hoodie-wearing in their stores.

    Seems Family Dollar stores in St. Louis have sign asking customers not to wear hoodies. Wonder if their stores in the county have the same signs. Might just have to don one of my hoodies and go and investigate. My gray Truman hoodie  with my khaki jeans and white tennis shoes might be just about right.

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    Maybe OK lawmakers will amend the bill ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:05:32 PM EST
    ... to include Texas Longhorns jerseys and caps, too.

    Parent
    what about the pointy white hoods (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by leap on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:19:17 AM EST
    with eyeholes? Are those banned, as well? (Oh silly me. This is Oklahoma).

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    It isn't just OK (2.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 09:34:20 AM EST
    On face value, the sign seems innocent enough. Store owners have recently dealt with a senseless shooting and robberies at two store locations, and asking patrons to remove their hoods before entering seems like it'd be better for security camera profiles. Family Dollar stores and other discount merchandise stores also struggle with shoplifting and may need to identify offenders on surveillance camera.

    Dollar Stores St Louis

    And casinos won't allow you to "hood up" and prevent security cameras from getting a good shot of you. From a personal view that bothers me because I hate the cold air on my head and shoulders while playing.

    Face it. The hoodos of this world don't want you hiding your identity.

    And many folks want the police to have body mounted cameras so they can see what went on.

    Get ready for the embedded chip and GPS tracking. It's just a matter of time.

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    Can't blame (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:56:42 AM EST
    the blacks in Chicago this time. It was that dang lily-white uni-bomber who gave hoodies a bad name on the first place.

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    Let me see (2.00 / 2) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 12:07:04 PM EST
    I point out that the "man" not only wants to see your face in OK but in St Louis and casinos around the world and caution that it's gonna get worse.

    So what do you do?? Snark about something we disagree on.

    Wow. Thanks for proving, once again, that too many on the Left demand absolute fealty to the narrative and reject all who agree partly....

    And that's why you will never become a majority.

    And before you reply, yes. The Right has the same problem. One coin, two sides.

    Let me ask. Do you think if both sides united on the issue of privacy that would be more effective than what we have now??

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    More money has been stolen (5.00 / 6) (#53)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 03:13:45 PM EST
    ...by men wearing neckties than in all the convenience store robberies in US history.

    I blame the neckties.

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    As Woody Guthrie put it (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 03:46:01 PM EST

    It was in Oklahoma City,
    It was on a Christmas Day,
    There was a whole car load of groceries
    Come with a note to say:

    "Well, you say that I'm an outlaw,
    You say that I'm a thief.
    Here's a Christmas dinner
    For the families on relief."

    Yes, as through this world I've wandered
    I've seen lots of funny men;
    Some will rob you with a six-gun,
    And some with a fountain pen.

    And as through your life you travel,
    Yes, as through your life you roam,
    You won't never see an outlaw
    Drive a family from their home.



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    Wilde said it best (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:36:29 PM EST
    a long time before Woody

    Yet each man kills the thing he loves
      By each let this be heard,
    Some do it with a bitter look,
      Some with a flattering word,
    The coward does it with a kiss,
      The brave man with a sword!

    Some kill their love when they are young,
      And some when they are old;
    Some strangle with the hands of Lust,
      Some with the hands of Gold:
    The kindest use a knife, because
      The dead so soon grow cold.

    Ballad of Reading Gaol


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    Johnny Cash and the Irish Rovers (none / 0) (#97)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 01:23:47 AM EST
    among others, sang this, the Ballad of Sam Hall.  This is a rather expurgated version of it:

    The Ballad of Sam Hall

    Oh my name it is Sam Hall, Samuel Hall,
    Oh my name it is Sam Hall, Samuel Hall,
    Oh my name it is Sam Hall and I hate you one and all;
    You're a gang of muckers all -- Damn your eyes!

    Oh, they say I killed a man, so they said,
    Oh, they say I killed a man, so they said,
    For I hit him on the head, with a bloody great lump of lead.
    Oh I left him there for dead -- Damn `is eyes!

    Oh they put me into quod, into quod,
    Oh they put me into quod, into quod,
    Oh they put me into quod all for killing of that sod,
    They did -- so `elp me God -- Damn their eyes!

    Oh the parson `e did come, `e did come,
    Oh the parson `e did come, `e did come,
    Oh the parson `e did come and `e looked so bloody glum,
    And `e talked of Kingdom Come -- Damn his eyes!

    So hup the steps I go, very slow,
    So hup the steps I go, very slow,
    So hup the steps I go and you muckers down below
    Are standing in a row -- Damn your eyes!

    I sees Molly in the crowd, in the crowd,
    I sees Molly in the crowd, in the crowd,
    I sees Molly in the crowd, so I hollered out aloud,
    "Now ain't you bleedin' proud -- Damn your eyes!"

    And now I `ears the bell, `ears the bell,
    And now I `ears the bell, `ears the bell,
    And it is my funeral knell, and I'll meet you all in Hell
    And I `opes you frizzle well -- Damn your eyes!



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    Have the police only be allowed (none / 0) (#44)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 12:11:41 PM EST
    to wear hoodies.  That would help a lot in telling the good guys from the baddies.

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    Really?? You really think that is a serious (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 01:39:24 PM EST
    comment about society's  headlong plunge into telling us what we can wear and using cameras and other devices to follow us???

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    The concept of satire (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 02:27:29 PM EST
    Seems to be beyond you sometimes.

    This is one of them.

    LOL!

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    Wow what a jump (none / 0) (#66)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 05:55:23 PM EST
    from lowly snark to absolute fealty. Do I get a medal ?

    Parent
    Big difference ... (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by Yman on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 01:08:14 PM EST
    ... between private regulation by store owners/businesses on their own premises and government regulation in public areas.  Private parties can enact many regulations that would be unconstitutional if done by the government.

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    The funniest request (none / 0) (#63)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 05:01:03 PM EST
    I've ever seen was a sign posted on the door of a 7-11 in downtown San Diego in 1985:  "Please don't wear roller skates inside".

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    Too bad that isn't what it means (none / 0) (#107)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 11:43:53 AM EST
    Click bait. My bold.

    "Wearing Your Hoodie in Public Could Soon Cost You Up to a $500 Fine." It's a clickbait headline, and a misleading one at that. Several news outlets published articles in the last few days with a similar headline on a proposed amendment to an Oklahoma law. Just one problem, though. The existing law already potentially punishes hoodie-wearers with up to a $500 fine.

    Time, ThinkProgress, Huffington Post, Fusion and Uproxx all aggregated their information from the same local sources: Channel 4 and Channel 6. Both of these local news articles are highly speculative and neglect to clearly lay out the facts. Wearing hoodies while committing a crime has been illegal in Oklahoma since the 1920s.

    The original law, established in 1923, says it is unlawful for any person in Oklahoma "to wear a mask, hood or covering, which conceals the identity of the wearer during the commission of a crime or for the purpose of coercion, intimidation or harassment." It was intended as a deterrent against the then-ascendent Ku Klux Klan.

    The revision proposed in December would add a provision making it illegal for anyone "to intentionally conceal his or her identity in a public place by means of a robe, mask, or other disguise." The amendment just adds the "intentional" aspect.

    SNIP

    While KFOR argues that the proposed amendment is racist against "hoodie users," what it fails to emphasize with equal footing is that it was already illegal for people committing crimes to wear hoodies. The new amendment adds that it is illegal for someone to "intentionally conceal" his or her identity in public while wearing a hoodie. The amendment does add fuel to the fire if a racist cop wants to arrest a man for wearing a hoodie, but it does not make it automatically illegal and punishable with a fine of up to $500 to wear a hoodie, as so many news outlets suggest. Moreover, it may be legally impossible to convict someone wearing a hoodie under the current law, as "intent" is a very tricky word.

    Facts matter.

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    The most important part of your comment (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 11:57:49 AM EST
    which in reality is why people here were objecting.

    The amendment does add fuel to the fire if a racist cop wants to arrest a man for wearing a hoodie, but it does not make it automatically illegal and punishable with a fine of up to $500 to wear a hoodie, as so many news outlets suggest.

    As previously stated:

    Wanta bet that a young blond, blue-eyed man wearing a Yale hoodie won't be hassled by the cops. OTOH, it is just another excuse to target young brown and black people.

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    BTW, the ability of the police (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 12:24:37 PM EST
    to arrest a man for merely wearing a hoodie dovetails nicely with the current attitude of submit or die. As we have seen, not all encounters with the police or arrests (legal or otherwise) make it to court.

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    Here's the text (none / 0) (#108)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 11:55:29 AM EST
    of the proposed bill.  Here's a relevant portion

    Provided, the provisions of Section 1301 et seq. of this title shall not apply to the pranks of children on Halloween, to those going to, or from, or participating in masquerade parties, to those participating in any public parade or exhibition of an educational, religious or historical character, to those wearing coverings required by their religious beliefs, for safety or medical purposes, or incidental to protection from the weather....

    So yes, you can still wear your hoodie if you are cold.

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    What does that mean? (5.00 / 4) (#116)
    by Yman on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 02:23:38 PM EST
    "Incidental to protection from the weather"?  Frankly, outlawing hoodies (except for the approved exceptions) is completely different than outlawing them when being used during a crime.  It shouldn't be up to the police/govt. to decide whether it's cold/rainy/windy enough for me to throw on a hoodie.

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    You somehow think that makes (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:36:11 PM EST
    it acceptable. Let's go back to what it does. It allows the police to decide whether or not to arrest someone for wearing a hoodie. The law that exists does not do that. A crime must be committed first for it to apply.

    Per your own comment:

    The amendment does add fuel to the fire if a racist cop wants to arrest a man for wearing a hoodie

    Racist or not, if a cop decides to challenge or arrest a brown or black boy or man for merely wearing a hoodie, this new law would allow them to do so. If the person being accosted by the police makes what the police judge as the slightest wrong move, the police can decide that their life is in danger and empty their guns into the individual all because they wore a hoodie. If the person being arrested makes the slightest protest, by the current ground rules, they are resisting arrest and can be choked, beaten or shot for the crime of wearing a hoodie.

    But somehow allowing them to decide if it is cold enough makes all the difference? Makes it alright?

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    And, why not? (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 04:08:39 PM EST
    Leaving life and death questions/decisions up to the LEO's, has worked so far. For instance, does trying to cover your face with your hands as baton-wielding thugs-with-badges pummel you mercilessly, constitute, "resisting arrest?"

    Police think it does, and, apparently, so do some Grand Juries.

    Of course, being aided, abetted, and, steered by corrupt prosecutors helps the decision making process somewhat.

     

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    LOL; why do they hate (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 04:51:35 PM EST
    Construction workers?  

    Oh, for pity's sake (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by Zorba on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 04:58:17 PM EST
    Well, forget wearing a hat and sunglasses, I guess.
    And forget about being a Muslim woman in Oklahoma who wears a hijab.
    What about someone who is immunocompromised and goes out in public wearing a surgical mask?
    This seems to be a racially motivated over-reaction.


    Thank god for OK (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 05:06:41 PM EST
    as they continue to make AR look progressive and sophisticated by comparison.

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    LOL! (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Zorba on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 05:33:15 PM EST
    Well, Howdy, think of it this way:  there is always someplace worse.
    That may not be much of a comfort, but we take what we can get.
    ;-)

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    Well, it's a good thing (none / 0) (#27)
    by NYShooter on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:35:40 AM EST
    that Oklahoma doesn't have any pro-football teams.

    What would Bill Belichick do when the Patriots came-a-calling?

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    Dolfans Demand Justice (none / 0) (#28)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:15:14 AM EST
    Yeah throw the bum in jail.
    NBA players better watch out!

    Parent
    They obviously haven't been to (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by nycstray on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 07:39:03 PM EST
    Silicon Valley and checked out what CEO's wear . . . :P

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    I don't know, Mme. Zorba. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 09:16:06 PM EST
    Zorba: "Well, forget wearing a hat and sunglasses, I guess. And forget about being a Muslim woman in Oklahoma who wears a hijab."

    I'd rather that we just forget about Oklahoma.

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    Religious head gear is exempt (none / 0) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 09:00:26 AM EST
    When I registered for college (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 09:03:55 AM EST
    i listed my religion as Druid.  They wore hoods.  Hmmmm.

    Parent
    Ah, but what about (none / 0) (#68)
    by Zorba on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:29:09 PM EST
    the hat and sunglasses?  Or the surgical masks?  
    Personally, I would be tempted to join the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and wear a very large colander on my head at all times in public.   ;-)

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    Personally, if I could get enough (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:49:47 PM EST
    Old ladies together (preferably with canes and walkers), I'd rather invade the legislators' offices in our hoodies. I'd have to borrow a walker but it would be worth it.

    I think the message would be even better if the women wore U.S.A. Olympic hoodies, hoodies from various well known colleges, Army, Navy, Marine hoodies, baseball hoodies etc. Large pictures of well known legislators and very important people wearing hoodies could be carried as signs and banners. Hoodies as far as the eyes could see.


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    Dinosaur (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 05:18:15 PM EST
    the 2000 Disney movie I worked on for five years is on DiscoveryFamily at 6.  Dish channel 179.  
    I think it's the first time I've ever seen it on broadcast TV.

    The best thing I can tell you about it (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 05:28:32 PM EST
    they don't sing.

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    Jeralyn (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 10:09:27 PM EST
    Good thing you are a lawyer. Cops truly love to give red cars tickets. 😊

    J, I totally think that one should have a car that (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by ZtoA on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 10:48:32 PM EST
    compliments the driver's complexion. Simultaneous contrasts of course. Then you could have something dark forrest green to wear while driving - even a headband. Obviously not a hoodie.

    I drive a very dinged up 1997 van which I sort of hope does not compliment me (or reflect on me) but I don't know (but it IS a dark green and my coloring works out to be basically orange) (most humans' skin colors seem to reduce to yellow, reds thru purples, with just a few amazing blues - and greens are most always included as undertones). From the few pics I've seen of you, your coloring works out to be basically very dark orange so dark red and dark green work for you.  I bought my vehicle used in 2000 and don't drive much (5-7,000 miles per year), have to regularly haul big things, get it washed semi-annually (if lucky). But I own it outright, and if I junked it and borrowed to buy a newer one I would be 1) adding to the junk of the world since no one would possibly want to buy that and 2) getting some debt. --and 3) then I would have to think about it.  Plus I just don't think I need a nice vehicle for a "pls respect me" statement that others do. My sister could never drive what she calls "looks like a rolling meth lab" to any professional situation she needs to go to (like work every day for example).

    I guess I am thinking of colors (=hues) because I am about to start a large group portrait of successful, of a certain age, female artists from the NW. It will be based on a group portrait that Fantin-Latour did of his contemporaries (he did several) in the late 1800s in his impressionistic art world. To my knowledge no female painter has done a group portrait (painted) of other female artists and theorists and writers, who are the female artist's contemporaries and often friends. Three of my very close person friends will be in the ptg. Every one of the group is a great artist (IMO). Actually trying to go for an physical/psychological/emotional likeness of 9(!!!!) people all at once is...is...well let me just say it will be a major challenge.  

    link

    Each one of these female artists has had to really struggle to even get to play the 'art game' and to earn a living at it. The youngest is 57 and the oldest is ? in her 80s? I started planning this one year ago, started the studies in July scheduling them for individual or group photo studies in my studio, got my studies together 1 month ago, completed my final study (after having to deal with major computer issues - I keep my studies on my desktop), will make large adjustments to that while I am sketching, will add major elements as I go, will figure out the hues and values as I go. I've had canvases (two) built to equal 6'x10' so the figures will probably be around 80%. When I am physically able, in maybe a week, I'll get started on it! I'm very excited to be able to honor these women in my small way. When, and if (if I can pull this off) I do complete it, the artists have asked me to have a party for them - so I'll be able to 'do my kitchen thing' and make some finger food for them too.

    Sorry for my strange comments recently. My mind is going 90% (I hope there is not more %ages because, dern) and my body is going 10%. But today it was 12%.

    I make strange comments constantly (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:48:31 AM EST
    with no excuse whatsoever.

    I suggest that you, like me, adopt this attitude that popped up on my FB page a couple of days ago.

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    How exciting ZtoA (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 03:05:45 PM EST
    Sorry you aren't feeling 100%. Sending you healing vibes today.....all day...tomorrow too :)

    Spending large swathes of time with family during this school vacation time.  I guess everyone missed the soldier when he was gone.  And we also finished the plans this weekend for a new deck addition that will have a stairway into my dog yard, a covered gazebo for outdoor dining, but also a rope bridge to a treehouse.

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    This reminds me of (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 11:15:00 PM EST
    Cayrl Churchill's play "Top Girls."

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    Oh, I hope not (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by ZtoA on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:49:13 PM EST
    just read about "Top Girls" on Wiki, and I know the women I'll be painting, they are not becoming like male artists were. And even the men, in Portland, are not like the stereotypical 'male artists'. Then there are the artists here who are somewhere in-between male and female. Of course, it is, what, 33 years later now too. Gender roles, at least in my tiny neck of the woods, are very much mixed up, and no one (at least anywhere near the arts) seems to care.

    But for anyone at all to become a professional artist and have that career last 30-70 years, is an effort - lots to overcome and everyone seems to do it in just a little different way, so there is no 'right way'. I am regularly asked by young people who think they want to become artists how to do that. Impossible to answer. If they do not have to work as a studio artist for a living they should not. Working at the 'day job' and then working another full time job in one's studio can be limiting and exhausting. Plus, each one of these women artists had to get thru the 50s-80s when it was very difficult to be a female artists.

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    It is a wonderful play. (none / 0) (#156)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 05:45:35 PM EST
    Are the stereo speakers (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:13:17 AM EST
    better in your new Jeep?

    Cuba update (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ragebot on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:19:46 AM EST
    The USCG increased patrols in the Straights of Florida and is turning back private boats as they reach a couple of miles away from the Cuban coast.  Fines are threatened but no word on the amount.  So much for relaxing enforcement.

    You can go to Cuba (none / 0) (#40)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 11:44:05 AM EST
    by boat, if invited.  They have sailboat and fishing events quite frequently.  I still get invites to the Hemingway Blue Marlin Tournament.  That way you can say you sailed or fished in Cuban waters, and did not spend any money.  They are still considered our enemy.  We are not supposed to do business with an enemy country.

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    Must investigate. Did Dennis Rodman (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 11:48:15 AM EST
    enrich the the enemy country he visited?

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    Not sure about enrichment (none / 0) (#42)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 11:59:25 AM EST
    But he made a total a$$ out of himself. Hopefully the man went into treatment.

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    Free is good (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 09:02:03 AM EST
    397 free art catalogs from the Met

    Earlier this year, the Guggenheim Museum put online 65 modern art books, giving you free access to books introducing the work of Alexander Calder, Edvard Munch, Francis Bacon, Gustav Klimt & Egon Schiele, and Kandinsky. Now, just a few short months later, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has launched MetPublications, a portal that will "eventually offer access to nearly all books, Bulletins, and Journals" published by the Met since 1870.


    Thanks for info (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 09:06:12 AM EST
    Have bookmarked and will definitely look into what's available to download.

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    Perfect solution (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 11:44:03 AM EST
    How Low income New Yorkers Benefit

    As a result of what the New York Post is calling a "virtual work stoppage," tickets and summonses for minor offenses have plummeted by 94 percent and overall arrests have fallen 66 percent. Theoretically, the practice will strain police budgets, which rely on fines from tickets to make-up for funding shortfalls. ​

    Although it's not the intended goal of the work stoppage, the decline in arrests could save New Yorkers money. The city residents who are normally hit with tickets for minor violations tend to be low income individuals who are forced to pay up a hefty portion of their paychecks.

    Perfect solution to make up for police budget shortfall: reduce staff and eliminate overtime. New Yorkers could save even more money. What's not to like.

    Hey kdog and others from NY, you might want to suggest this solution to the mayor. A lot of people could continue to benefit.


    Evidently there are too many cops (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 01:27:16 PM EST
    In NY. 6 cops standing around with nothing better to do than to verbally and physically harass a black man for dancing.


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    a christmas story (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 01:49:39 PM EST
    That has nothing to do with BeeBee guns.   Indulge me.   Please excuse a rather personal story that I can not share with anyone around here for reasons that should become obvious with the telling.  And I think it deserves to be shared because it is just so freaking weird.
    I recently made a joke about discovering a dating site called FarmersOnly dot com that to my surprise had a gay section.    The jokes write themselves.  Anyway.  Since that joke I have, to my utter amazement, met a couple of people through that service.  Well, typical for such a thing, a couple who were quite nice and at least one that a total psychotic that reminds us why we always meet them in public places and don't tell them where we live.  But that's another story.

    Here's the amazing part.  Frequent readers here probably remember me recounting how I worked for the local meals on wheels for almost two years.  A job I left almost two years ago.  And how it was run by a group of women that belonged to a "non-denominational" church that mandated that the women never cut their hair and wear long dresses and no jewelry.  Among other things.  The requirements on the men were substantially less stringent.  As in pretty much nothing as far as I could tell.   Several of the ones I met were bikers.
    One of the women, one of the nicer ones, had breast cancer.  She was dying and left the job before I did.  I had met her husband once at a Christmas party in a large group of other people.  

    He didn't remember me.   And in truth I didn't remember him.  I didn't put it together until midday yesterday after thinking about what he told me and making some,  extremely subtle, phone calls.  Bottom line, I met him again through a gay dating site.
    How freaking weird and amazing is that?   Nice guy.  Do I tell him I knew his late wife?  Do I see him again at all?  Does he still go to that freaky assed church.  I didn't ask because it was certainly among the farthest things from my mind at the time.  Just when you think your life has no drama at all.  
    Babam!
    Not really seeking advise.  I just had to tell someone because I can't tell anyone I know and because I honestly think it's hilarious and something that should be in an unbelievable movie script and at the very least must be shared in case I am struck by lightening or hit by a truck before I tell anyone.
    I realize this I something I have to decide.   It's going to be an interesting year I think.
    FWIW he says he voted for Obama.  Twice?

    I just told my sister (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:10:59 PM EST
    her "you're making this up"

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    She's just jealous!! (none / 0) (#58)
    by Angel on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:16:43 PM EST
    I'll ask (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:17:59 PM EST
    when she stops laughing.

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    Do that. :) (none / 0) (#60)
    by Angel on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:23:27 PM EST
    I think you should tell him (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:47:10 PM EST
    (but not until the second date, if it gets that far). If two gay men can't share an intimate laugh about their unexpectedly shared experiences of "passing" and remaining/not remaining closeted, then how could you expect to have any ongoing relationship with him anyway?
       By the way, have you seen The Imitation Game yet? You really must! (This question is not unrelated to the previous paragraph of this comment.)

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:51:38 PM EST
    i needed that.

    I have not seen the movie but I definitely will.  

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    Be careful. Just because I have an opinion (5.00 / 5) (#64)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 05:01:38 PM EST
    and give confident-sounding advice, does not mean I'm right!  (Just ask my wife ....)

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    LOL! (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Zorba on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 05:21:37 PM EST
    Well, Peter, your wife may even think, deep down, in at least some cases, that you are right, or that you have made a good point.
    But wives cannot always let husbands think they are right, lest the husbands become insufferable.
    OTOH, I'm on the nerd spectrum in many ways (it's a familial trait), so I seldom play games with Mr. Zorba.  If I think he's wrong, I tell him, and if I think he's made a good point, I tell him that, as well.
    But then, he's on the nerd spectrum, too.  So we both just tend to tell it like it is, or like we think it is.
    Makes for some lively discussions, let me tell you.   ;-)

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    Interesting situation, to say the least. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Angel on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:09:31 PM EST
    I can't wait to hear what happens next.  :)

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    Makes two of us (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 04:11:47 PM EST
    i can't promise I will tell you.

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    From our "Class Clowns" file: (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:26:40 PM EST
    Once again, NYPD officers choose to upstage the deceased at his own funeral. I guess when good manners were supposed to be taught, their mothers were out drinking. Shame on them.

    I have no problem with the desire of those officers to exercise their First Amendment rights by taking issue with Mayor De Blasio for whatever their reasons. But if they have a beef with Hizzoner, then they should petition and picket City Hall for a redress of their grievances -- you know, like normal people. What they did was profoundly disrespectful to the late Officer Liu's family.

    Further, Bill De Blasio seems to be a pretty tough guy, and he accepts political criticism as part of the job. But on that note, New York's Finest really ought to keep in mind that De Blasio was elected to office with a decisive majority, and that he's the one with the public mandate here -- not them.

    Aloha.

    Couple of things... (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by Anne on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:19:33 PM EST
    One, these officers who decided a funeral service was the appropriate place for a show of disrespect are not clowns, and they have no class.  

    Two, any person who chooses to serve in the ranks of law enforcement should have to have a basic understanding of their place in the social and legal order; it is not to repress or suppress or interfere with peaceful and lawful assembly.  No, they don't have to like the message the protests are sending, but it's their job to protect the rights of the citizens to deliver it.  They seem to have forgotten that.

    De Blasio is being used to conflate citizen protest with the killing of two policemen by a mentally ill man who was not involved with or connected to any of the protests being conducted around the country.  As Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has pointed out, no one equated the desire for pedophile priests and their enablers to be held accountable for their actions and crimes with a war on the Church.  No one thinks wanting teachers and administrators to be accountable to students and parents means a war on the education system.

    Wanting police to be accountable for their actions and policies is not part of any war, and it's not part of any hate campaign.

    It's my opinion that the NYPD is being ill-served by its gas-bag union president, who seems more intent on using citizen protest as the bright, shiny object to distract people from the real problem - which isn't that we aren't being respectful or obedient enough, but that the police seem to be under the impression they should be allowed to act with impunity.

    The whole thing is really pissing me off.

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    As it should you, and anyone else ... (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 01:56:56 AM EST
    ... who sees what's been happening and has a decent sense of right and wrong. With regards to the police union, it should be noted that it's presently negotiating with the City of New York on a new contract and further, its president is up for re-election this year. How insulting the mayor is going to get them a better deal, I haven't the foggiest.

    And can we please clone Metropolitan Nashville police chief Steve Anderson -- who wrote that wonderful and heartfelt response to that "law and order" moron who questioned why MNPD officers were treating protesters with respect -- and send one of them out here to Honolulu? Our police chief is apparently about to become the subject of a federal investigation.

    Aloha.

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    Pleased to see, looking at some of the coverage (5.00 / 4) (#87)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:29:14 PM EST
    that a number of officers made a point of saluting De Blasio, as is apparently the protocol, when he arrived at the wake.  And only some -- by no means all -- of the police attending the funeral turned their backs on him this time. Just to give credit where credit is due.

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    Not an NY problem (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 09:30:10 PM EST
    This Is The Generic Anti-Racism Sign That Outraged Pittsburgh's Police Union

    During a First Night celebration on New Year's Eve in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Police Chief Cameron McLay encountered some activists who were urging society to "unlearn racism." He talked to them for a few minutes, and posed for a photo carrying a sign that says, "I Resolve To Challenge Racism @ Work. #End White Silence":

    Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto came upon the photo while sitting at home and, viewing it as a "great way to start the new year," promptly shared it on his own Facebook page. "I thought there was very little chance for someone to say this was the wrong message to send," Peduto told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
    But someone did. The photo swept across social media, and local police union president Howard McQuillan took the statement against racism as an affront to the entire police department, telling KDKA: "The chief is calling us racists. He believes the Pittsburgh Police Department is racist. This has angered a lot of officers."
    KDKA reports that other officers were so outraged by the photo they believed it must have been fake. McLay has even reportedly been called to a meeting at city hall to address the photo.



    Parent
    A spin off of a Shakespeare quote seems (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:38:03 PM EST
    appropriate.

    The police unions doth protest too much, methinks.


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    Memo to police unions: (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 11:53:18 PM EST
    When you have to insist repeatedly and publicly that you're not a bigot, you probably are. Get a clue.

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    I'm wondering if the family of the deceased (none / 0) (#159)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 06:00:49 PM EST
    law enforcement officer objected to somebof his colleagues turning their backs on the mayorbb

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    I mentioned this before (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:42:13 PM EST
    but it's worth repeating.  they have become the cause célèbre of every right wing a-hole with a FB membership.  The whole thing has gone viral in the worst possible way.   You should read some of the stuff I've seen.   I couldn't post it here.

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    And here I thought (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:42:44 PM EST
    you would be for protecting the rights of minorities to protest.

    Sigh.

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    At a funeral, Jim? (5.00 / 6) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:04:36 PM EST
    And not just any funerals, but those of their own slain colleagues! Sorry, but what these officers did today and last weekend was extraordinarily childish, rude and just plain ol' low-class. On two separate days ostensibly reserved for remembering and mourning the dead, they selfishly chose to call attention to themselves and make it all about them, rather than the deceased officers' respective families.

    Aloha.

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    Sorry guys (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:16:14 PM EST
    you may think it tasteless. I may think it tasteless.

    Heck, it may even be tasteless.

    But what I also get is that you think protests are okay as long as the protests are about what you want to protest about done in the way you approve.

    I mean, did either of you protest the riots and destruction in Ferguson? Maybe you did and I missed it.

    And did you write that shutting down traffic in and around New York might just have kept someone from getting emergency health care, etc., etc???

    I'd call those tasteless and yes the protests in Ferguson did lead to the riots.

    You all come back now, ya hear!?

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    I'm all for the NYPD's work stoppage (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:29:02 PM EST
    But unfortunately their so called stoppage doesn't include stopping harassing civilians. They are so busy being offended that there were only six cops hanging around together to gang up and verbally and physically abuse a citizen for dancing.

    Violence by cops is just perfectly acceptable to the apologists even when no resistance occurs. And yes,  violence by cops does at times lead to riots.

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    Excuse me, but what part of ... (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 02:13:00 AM EST
    ... "it's a funeral, Jim" do you not understand? And stop trying to change the subject; Ferguson has nothing to do with this. Again, funerals are for the family to mourn their loved one's passing and bid him or her farewell. Such occasions should not be hijacked by someone else as a platform to make a public political statement, as several thousand NYPD officers were doing here.

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    You're not excused (2.00 / 2) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 11:23:09 AM EST
    and yes, Ferguson is part of this. In fact, it was the start of all of this. Garner just added fuel to the fire flamed by His Honor, the Reverend Al and associated kooks and nuts in the paid and unpaid social media.

    And, as I noted, the actions of the police may be in your opinion, Peter's opinion and my opinion in bad taste.

    But you seem to think that you should instruct them on the way you want them to act.

    But if they have a beef with Hizzoner, then they should petition and picket City Hall for a redress of their grievances -- you know, like normal people.

    IOW they should protest by shutting down bridges, roads and in general interrupt people's normal daily life and commerce.

    You further compound the issue with:

    New York's Finest really ought to keep in mind that De Blasio was elected to office with a decisive majority, and that he's the one with the public mandate here -- not them.

    My point was simple. I thought you, as a liberal, would support the rights of a minority. Period.

    But you do not support the police minority. You do support the rights of the anti-police protesters.

    That's a heck of a double standard.

    Now youall come back now, ya here?!

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    jim, what part of what Peter said do you (5.00 / 5) (#112)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 12:26:12 PM EST
    not understand?

    The right to protest, however, does not apply to public officials on duty and in uniform, where they represent "the State" not "the people."  (The First Amendment rights to freedom on speech and to peaceable assembly apply to "the people" and are rights held against the State.)

    No one is saying the police are not entitled to their own feelings and opinions about anything, nor are they saying the police don't have the right to address them with their employer.  The place to do that, the time to do that, is not at the funeral of one of their fellow officers.  Bill de Blasio did not kill the officers, nor did any of the citizen protesters.

    You keep trying to make this about cop-hating, when what it's about is the abuse of power, the excessive use of force, the lack of accountability and consequence, and the efforts to shield and protect law enforcement from outside oversight.

    I guess you will pretty much say anything to distract from that truth, which is kind of a pattern with you.

    The police are not a minority group, jim; they are agents and employees of the State, which, last I checked, is a powerful entity with the ability to seriously repress and abrogate the rights of the citizens it allegedly serves - it's the reason we have - and need - a Constitution and Bill of Rights and Amendments: to protect the rights of the people, jim, from the abuse of the power and authority that resides in the government.

    I thought someone of your age and generation would have learned that in Civics class, but maybe you were too busy dreaming of your version of a perfect world.

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    What part about me agreeing with Peter (1.00 / 1) (#118)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:03:18 PM EST
    did Anne not understand?????

    Peter, I do not (2.00 / 3) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 10:21:12 AM CST
    and would not disagree with your interruption of the law. In fact, I totally agreed with Reagan's actions with the air controllers and believe that no government union should ever demonstrate by marching or striking.

    I thought someone of your age would read and understand.

    I was wrong.

    And claiming they cannot disagree with the state...I mean, really.....lol

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    Oh, but you left out the rest of your (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:28:42 PM EST
    response to Peter:

    But how should the police show their disapproval of his honor's comments and actions?? Mass resignations ? Boos, cat calls and "turning their back" at a policeman's funeral may in bad taste. But I think they have the right to do that. And given the connection between the Ferguson and Garner flames fanned by his honor, Sharpton and the social and paid media and the killing of the two policemen I find their actions in poor taste but very understandable.

    So you "agreed" with Peter in order to slam the unions - which is an altogether different matter - but you otherwise failed to grasp his point.  You still see the police as having some sort of constitutional right to do what they did at the funeral - and that is not what Peter said.

    And claiming they cannot disagree with the state...I mean, really.....lol

    What's funny is that you still don't get the concept that, while wearing the uniform, or on duty, the police ARE the state.  

    That's what people are demonstrating about, jim: the power of the state being unfairly, aggressively, dangerously and in some cases, fatally applied.

    Did you blame the participants at the Cliven Bundy standoff for the murder of two policemen last spring?  Or was that "different?"

    Never mind - don't bother to respond.

    Parent

    You still can't read, Anne (1.60 / 5) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:44:00 PM EST
    No, I didn't say they had a right to demonstrate.

    Mass resignations ? Boos, cat calls and "turning their back" at a policeman's funeral may in bad taste. But I think they have the right to do that.

    And yes, I get your point they are the state while in uniform. But that doesn't mean they don't have the right to act as they did towards the "state."

    Seems you are trying to sat respect the state when the state is doing what you want it to do but its okay to demonstrate when it isn't doing what you want it to.

    And trying to connect Bundy with this is laughable.

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    Part of our jobs as citizens is to make (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 07:28:33 PM EST
    sure that the state is acting on our behalf and in our best interests, and to the extent I don't feel the state is holding up its end of the bargain, yes, I'm going to say something.

    As should you when you feel your government isn't doing the right thing.

    With respect to the police who turned their backs to de Blasio at the funeral, that was indeed a demonstration.  It was a demonstration of their objection to and displeasure with the mayor based on their interpretation of his remarks and, apparently, his association with the likes of Al Sharpton.  Was it a march, were there signs, and bullhorns and chants?  No, but those things are not required to demonstrate a position or send a message.

    I mentioned Cliven Bundy, jim, because you've been pretty vocal in your agreement that there is blood on the hands of those protesting against police abuse of power and authority, but I don't recall your railing at Bundy and his crew when a couple of his supporters murdered two cops and a third individual.  Why not, jim?  Why didn't you call out those taking part in the standoff, who were protesting what they believed was government overreach?  Why no blood on the hands of those anti-government demonstrators, jim?

    Laughable?  Not really.  At least not for those of us who aren't being deliberately obtuse in an effort to deny reality.

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    So let's get to the core (1.33 / 3) (#138)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 11:14:40 AM EST
    Was it a march, were there signs, and bullhorns and chants?  No, but those things are not required to demonstrate a position or send a message.

    I have tried, unsuccessfully, to say that the police have the right to protest in such a manner that they are not demonstrating. Turning their back is such a way. Cat calls, etc., are also but are pushing the envelope.

    Peter makes the point, which I do agree with, that there are laws that define what they can or cannot do. But the country has a long history of laws being changed due to protests and demonstrations some peaceful and some not. And there were laws in place which they were trying to change.

    My initial point to Donald, which I stand by, is that in this matter he, and I think you and others who are on the Left, are okay with some protests/demonstrations but not with others. I am reminded of the memorial service of Senator Wellstone that Repubs criticized for being a Demo prep rally.

    As I thought then I think now.

    Would Wellstone have minded? I think not.

    Would the two dead policemen minded? I think not.

    What did their families think? It matters not. With their death and their position they entered into a great sphere.

    So what I see is partisan politics from the Left in this as it was from the Right with Wellstone.

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    Well, that was certainly a masterful (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 11:37:00 AM EST
    example of talking out of both sides of your mouth, and still managing to say exactly nothing.

    lol

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    Why does the Left always run away (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    when someone shows the hypocrisy of their actions??

    But to be fair, so does the Right.

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    Why can't you just admit you painted (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 02:33:05 PM EST
    yourself into a corner - again?

    No one ran from you, jim - your little feet were just tap-dancing so fast that perhaps you didn't realize you were the one trying to head for the hills.

    Parent

    yman and Anne (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 03:56:43 PM EST
    The evidence is in the comments by Donald and Peter G and Anne and jondee and Yman.

    Parent
    Makes sense (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 07:20:09 PM EST
    Your "evidence", like most of your points, exists only in your imagination.

    Parent
    Then assembling it (none / 0) (#152)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 04:01:54 PM EST
    Shouldn't be beyond your powers to demonstrate your point to others who don't have a dog in this fight.

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    Why bless your heart (none / 0) (#153)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 04:04:08 PM EST
    Why should I do, or pay attention, to you??

    Parent
    I'd do the same for you, Jim, (none / 0) (#155)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 04:10:38 PM EST
    if you showed signs of having one for God to bless in the first place.

    LOL!

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    No one is "running away', Jim (none / 0) (#146)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 02:23:56 PM EST
    ... last of all from your imagined charges of hypocrisy.

    Parent
    The police also have the right to (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 12:09:14 PM EST
    walk in such a manner that they are not perambulating or locomoting to anyone's dissatisfaction..

    And thank God water boarding, beatings, and sexual violation are only enhanced interrogation techniques and not torture, or we'd have to redefine that word as well..

    And Jim, your hero, the "negro" baiting, violence-inciting Clive made Al Sharpton look like a legitimate candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize.  

    Parent

    Uh perhaps you need to read what I wrote (none / 0) (#149)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 03:16:39 PM EST
    Very insightful to notice (none / 0) (#142)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 12:18:52 PM EST
    that there are ideas, values, and causes publicly championed by the Left that those on the Right don't support.

    Just as you don't find Leftists harassing women outside Planned Parenthood and blowing up Sunday schools..

    Vive la difference.  

    Parent

    Well, I would posit (none / 0) (#151)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 04:01:18 PM EST
    that the ones demonstrating outside abortion clinics are to the far side... Just as you will want to claim that these kooks are to the far side of the Left.

    Calls for lynching Clarence Thomas

    Parent

    In respect to Bundy (1.00 / 2) (#139)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 11:16:47 AM EST
    Provide some links for your claims and I will respond.


    Parent
    In one breath you condemn (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 02:50:10 PM EST
    Al Sharpton for making it political, and then you assert that these public employees, whose salary the taxpayers pay, including the mayor, have the right to act like jackasses at what should be a solemn event, paid for by said taxpayers.

    If they want to organize their own event on their dime and when they are off duty, that's their right as Americans to do so.

    But to essentially stage a temper tantrum when they did, well, it reminds me of a bumper sticker popular in this area of CA:

    Never complain about a farmer with your mouth full.

     

    Parent
    I would add, never make a comment (1.50 / 2) (#119)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:07:18 PM EST
    when you are incapable of logical thought.

    Read your comment and what you are saying that the aggrieved party has no right to protest if the party that has damaged them is paying them.

    There goes that old union thingee.

    BTW - I believe those at the funeral were not on duty except, perhaps, the honor guard.

    Parent

    Thanks for the feedback! (none / 0) (#120)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:22:20 PM EST
    and yes, the cops except for the honor guard weren't on duty, but that has nothing to do with the inappropriateness of their action.

    As for lack of logical thought, that tells more about you than it does me, Jim.

    Parent

    It would be helpful if you read the comments (1.00 / 1) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:50:20 PM EST
    Sorry Guys....you may think it tasteless. I may think it tasteless.

    Heck, it may even be tasteless.

    But what I also get is that you think protests are okay as long as the protests are about what you want to protest about done in the way you approve.

    Note the use of the word "protest" vs "demonstrate."

    Parent

    Jim, your parsing of words (none / 0) (#127)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 04:19:55 PM EST
    is most impressive/

    However, you are still doing what I said you're doing, defending their right to do so even if it's tasteless by your standards.

    "It's the hit dog that howls the loudest."

    LOL!

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    Really? Parse?? (none / 0) (#128)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 04:29:27 PM EST
    Thanks for making my point (none / 0) (#129)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 04:41:18 PM EST

    parse
    pärs/
    verb
    verb: parse; 3rd person present: parses; past tense: parsed; past participle: parsed; gerund or present participle: parsing

        1.
        analyze (a sentence) into its parts and describe their syntactic roles.
            Computing
            analyze (a string or text) into logical syntactic components, typically in order to test conformability to a logical grammar.
            examine or analyze minutely.
            "he has always been quick to parse his own problems in public"

    Which is what I meant.

    Anything else?  I don't think lexicographer is one of your strong suits.

    LOL!


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    Protest can be... (none / 0) (#133)
    by unitron on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 03:51:59 AM EST
    ...a noun, a verb, or an adjective, depending upon the context in which it is used.

    If you disagree about the verb part, thou doth protest too much. : - )

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    ah the richness of the English language (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 10:40:44 AM EST
    to make a protest or remonstrance against; object to.
    8.
    to say in protest or remonstrance.
    9.
    to declare solemnly or earnestly; affirm; assert.
    10.
    to make a formal declaration of the nonacceptance or nonpayment of (a bill of exchange or note).

    Context, as they say, is everything. ;-)

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    Now I'm second guessing (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 12:26:57 PM EST
    whether the English language is really that rich..;-)


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    Re (none / 0) (#144)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 12:42:14 PM EST

    'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'



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    Ah yes, thank you for the reminder (5.00 / 7) (#82)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:06:10 PM EST
    that the First Amendment does protect even the most provocative, tasteless and intentionally offensive attempts to grandstand by taking advantage of the stage provided by other families' funerals. Two peas in a pod, apparently, the NYPD and the Westboro Baptist Church.

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    Glad you said it, and not me. (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:10:05 PM EST
    Peter G: "Two peas in a pod, apparently, the NYPD and the Westboro Baptist Church."

    But man, was I ever tempted!

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    Do the WBC morans... (none / 0) (#134)
    by unitron on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 03:54:40 AM EST
    ...act up like that when it's a funeral for one of their own?

    If not, then better not to make the comparison after all, for they'd be the ones looking better.

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    I would be delighted to see any evidence (5.00 / 6) (#92)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:51:44 PM EST
    that the view expressed by the New York police who turned their backs on the Mayor is endorsed by only a minority of Americans.  I hadn't given that any thought, one way or the other.  My opinion in support of the right to protest applies to majority and minority viewpoints alike.  The right to protest, however, does not apply to public officials on duty and in uniform, where they represent "the State" not "the people."  (The First Amendment rights to freedom on speech and to peaceable assembly apply to "the people" and are rights held against the State.) The Department of Defense policy, for example, is here; it prohibits U.S. military personnel from participating in off-post demonstrations while on duty or while in uniform, thus expressing exactly the understanding of rights that I outlined.

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    Peter, I do not (2.00 / 3) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 11:21:12 AM EST
    and would not disagree with your interruption of the law. In fact, I totally agreed with Reagan's actions with the air controllers and believe that no government union should ever demonstrate by marching or striking.

    But how should the police show their disapproval of his honor's comments and actions?? Mass resignations ? Boos, cat calls and "turning their back" at a policeman's funeral may in bad taste. But I think they have the right to do that. And given the connection between the Ferguson and Garner flames fanned by his honor, Sharpton and the social and paid media and the killing of the two policemen I find their actions in poor taste but very understandable.

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    The rights of unionized workers (5.00 / 4) (#114)
    by Peter G on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 01:37:37 PM EST
    to express their grievances are ordinarily defined and protected not only by the First Amendment but also by labor law.  The protest rights of public sector workers, on the other hand, for the reasons I explained, when on duty or in uniform, are governed exclusively by public sector labor law, not by the First Amendment.  So the answer to your question is ... through their union -- or, as individuals, when off duty and out of uniform.

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    Thank you, Peter (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by sj on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 01:45:24 PM EST
    That seems like a simple enough concept and explanation. In fact, even the most simple-minded should be able to see and acknowledge the point you are clearly making.

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    Of course the question becomes this (1.00 / 1) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 03:35:29 PM EST
    Given that there were laws before the labor laws you refer to then the laborers then should have accepted those laws and not taken actions to improve/change or create new laws??

    As I noted, I don't disagree with what you write about the law.

    I am stating my opinion.

    They had ever right to turn their backs, etc., short of strikes or protests. They have a strong disagreement with his honor and are reflecting that.

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    You are, "of course," entitled (5.00 / 7) (#130)
    by Peter G on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 05:13:21 PM EST
    to your opinion. But your assertion, Jim, about what uniformed police have "ever[y] right" to do, is not (in my opinion, that is, which you seem to acknowledge is well-informed) at all correct. The answer to your rhetorical question (the one that wrongly begins, "of course" ...) is No, not right.  And illogical. I don't agree at all, nor does it remotely follow from anything I have written.

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    Is there judicial precedent (none / 0) (#158)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 05:57:43 PM EST
    re whether public employees have any right to peaceably protest during work hours?

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    I tried to wander over to a couple (none / 0) (#96)
    by ZtoA on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 12:11:30 AM EST
    conservative sites today - some teaparty sites and some neocon sites to read what they are saying about this. Most were rather ignoring this. Hotair.com had an interesting post by some guy saying some very (IMO) compelling arguments against police actions and against the police union in NYC for supporting/promoting insubordination. He said this is not partisan. From what I could tell (skimming) some there agree and some do the 'pro-police no matter what, anti-democratic political leadership no matter what' thing. From what I could read, most do not think police should be enforcing tax laws by arresting people (esp libertarians who do not agree with those tax laws in the first place and do not consider violating a very minor tax law a serious criminal offense). Some are 'for' whatever they mistakenly think a "liberal" is against.

    Actual people, not just partisan speak-makers and media ratings hounds, may agree on many points. Partisans are just making their usual noises - and loudly. IMO, in the near future the "public" will have a say. The hotair.com guy makes a case that partisan republican knee-jerk support of a police union will backfire against partisan republicans.

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    Indonesian Spam (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 07:22:17 AM EST


    Sounds like something (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 04:08:46 PM EST
    that might come in a can and be really inadvisable to eat.

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    Well, since Indonesia (none / 0) (#161)
    by Zorba on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 07:14:52 PM EST
    is overwhelmingly Muslim, I don't think that Spam in a can would be terribly popular there, given that it's a pork product.
    ;-)

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    My point exactly (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 07:16:40 PM EST
    it would be "something else"

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    "drive less than 5,000 miles a year" (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 07:15:38 PM EST
    Wow.

    I totally agree with you (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 07:51:54 PM EST
    about V8s.  I own one.  I also live in the mountains.

    J, nice car (I think) (none / 0) (#17)
    by ZtoA on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 10:02:49 PM EST
    GOOD color!

    You drive less than 5,000 miles annually? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jan 03, 2015 at 10:11:41 PM EST
    Geez, Jeralyn, I tally over twice that mileage -- and I live on an island that's only 596 square miles. Do you use public transportation to and from work, or do you live near your office?

    I can't imagine how much mileage I'll put on once we move to the Big Island later this year. It's 130 miles between Hilo and Kailua-Kona, although once they finally complete the upgrade of the Saddle Road between Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea through the middle of the island, that'll knock off about 40 miles from that total.

    The Spouse wants a Jeep Cherokee once we make the move. The Big Island is mostly rural, and there are a lot of areas we'll be wanting to explore. And like Colorado, the island's highways have some pretty significant grades to climb. The aforementioned Saddle Road rises from sea level to 9,000 ft. from both ends.

    Aloha.

    It's actually about 3,000 miles a year (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 12:02:14 AM EST
    I got my last Jeep in July, 2011. When I traded it in yesterday (3 years, 5 months) it had 10,500 miles. I'm very centrally located (3 miles from federal court and my office.) The only places I go that are more than 5 miles away are the jails, the dentist in Boulder and Aspen once or twice a year. The three main grocery stores I shop at are all within 2 miles. Even the the jeep dealership is only 12 miles. No, I don't take public transportation. I drive everywhere, even to the 7/11 which is a few blocks away.

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    Well, that's certainly convenient for you. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 03:32:36 AM EST
    I live on the eastern end of Oahu, and I'm 12 miles from our office in downtown Honolulu and 16 miles from the airport. We have clients scattered around Oahu, and some more on Molokai and the Big Island. Before I got sick, I was flying 3-5 times per month interisland. Now, it's once every five or six weeks, and my partner's been picking up the slack. So, at a minimum, I log in 24 miles per day in the car, and that's only if I don't have any appointments or meetings outside the office.

    When we move to Hilo, I'm going to have my office at home, at least initially. When I tried that before, I found that I was generally not as disciplined working from home as from an office downtown. But then, that was when the girls were younger and I could be easily distracted. So maybe this time will be different. We're keeping our Honolulu office, where my partner will be, and I'll likely commute back to Oahu about one day per week, and more when the state legislature's in session.

    Perhaps I'll have to get more proficient with Skype instead, because flying back and forth does tend to get old, even if I do appreciate the frequent flyer miles. Flights between the Big Island and Honolulu are hourly and about 35 minutes (Kona) / 45 minutes (Hilo) each way. It's only 20 minutes to and from Molokai, but there are only four flights daily. I can also check-in online, so I can go straight through security to the gate and don't have to wait around the airport. But still, commuting interisland takes up to nearly four hours when factoring in the drive to and from the airport, etc., so it's really not very efficient and makes for a very long day.

    We're going to ship one of our two cars over to Hilo, and leave the other here so I won't have to rent a car each time I return to Oahu. When we get over there, we'll buy that new Jeep for The Spouse. Like you, she's partial to them. As for myself, I prefer Hondas.

    Aloha.

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    Congratulations (none / 0) (#36)
    by lentinel on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 10:08:11 AM EST
    on the new Jeep.

    It looks magnificent!

    Get out the popcorn (none / 0) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 01:34:35 PM EST
    Oh please (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 01:53:04 PM EST
    oh please oh please oh please

    speaker Gomert.

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    Not gonna matter (none / 0) (#100)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 07:31:32 AM EST
    There are at least several other Tea Party-types who say they'll run for Speaker as well.

    All they'll do is split votes and make fools of themselves.

    Just noise.

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    Well Debbie Downer (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 07:39:56 AM EST
    watching them make fools of themselves is reason enough to bring out the popcorn and sit back and watch the show.

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    It just makes me sad (none / 0) (#102)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 08:21:53 AM EST
    Great song (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 08:32:15 AM EST
    But an insult to clowns everywhere and the people who love them.

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    There are people who love clowns? (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by sj on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 01:37:01 PM EST
    ::shudder::

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    Of course there are people who... (none / 0) (#132)
    by unitron on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 03:40:40 AM EST
    ...love clowns.  There was even a song about it nearly a half century ago.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#148)
    by sj on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 02:56:43 PM EST
    but are those people still around fifty years later? I kid. Just because I, and most everybody I know, are repulsed by the things doesn't mean that some sick people might like them.

    Just sayin'

    :)

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    Not quite accurate (none / 0) (#110)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 12:04:59 PM EST
    Right of center is not being stuck in the middle, it just means that while you are a member of the Democratic Party, you are a right of center member.

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    As you may know by now (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:16:00 PM EST
    after being criticized for posting a pic of her kid standing on a dog by PETA.  Americas favorite lunatic, unwilling to be outdone, responded with another FaceBook fusillade.  Presented here by Little Green Footballs-

    Here's that last paragraph in beat poem format. Imagine it being read poetry club style.

    Anti-Beef Screamers
    a thing by Sarah

    Anti-beef screamers
    blogging hate from comfy leather office chairs,
    wrapped in fashionable leather belts
    above your kickin' new leather pumps
    you bought because your celebrity idols
    (who sport fur and crocodile purses)
    grinned in a tabloid
    wearing the exact same Louboutins
    exiting sleek cowhide covered limo seats
    on their way
    to some liberal fundraiser shindig
    at some sushi bar
    that features poor dead smelly roe
    (that I used to strip from our Bristol Bay-caught fish,
    and in a Dillingham cannery
    I packed those castoff fish eggs for you
    while laughing with co-workers
    about the suckers
    paying absurdly high prices
    to party with
    the throw away parts of our wild seafood)?

    I believe you call those
    discarded
    funky
    eggs
    "caviar"

    For the record, as a dog lover, the dog really doesn't seem that upset and as much as I love to laugh at the Wasilla hillbillies, well, PETA........

    People were upset about this (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by nycstray on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:15:47 PM EST
    before PETA joined in. The dog may be tolerant, but at some point, he may decide enough is enough and if nobody is paying attention to the dog's signals, next you'll hear her screaming the dog bit the child out of nowhere, 'it just snapped'. And if she is letting her kid stand on the dog, what else is she not supervising properly? And then she still has her supporters who  don't need any more ideas on doing stupid sh!t . . .

    yeah, I get ticked at bad parenting around dogs . .  :)

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    I agree completely (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 07:35:03 PM EST
    please don't take my previous comment as excusing her.  From the start it was unbelievable-

    Sarah Palin's step-stool dog photos have gone viral, after she used the images, in which her son Trig uses the family pet as a boost to reach the sink, to promote a New Year's message of overcoming adversity by turning stumbling blocks into stepping stones. Now, the criticism has expanded to include an organization that Sarah says is directly connected to the dog and its training.

    How completely idiotic is that.  Really.  Stumbling blocks?  Stepping stones?  Srsly?  It's a living breathing thing you freakin moron.  Tells you all you need to know about her philosophy though, doesn't it.   Honestly though.  PETA is not IMO helping.   All they did was giver her the perfect foil.  However noble their intentions might have been.

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    PETA is pretty much worthless and a PIA (none / 0) (#93)
    by nycstray on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 11:03:01 PM EST
    but really, those that support PETA are happy with PETA on this, those of us that don't still aren't happy with what she did, so she can rail on PETA all she wants, most of us (including PETA/supporters) still think she's an idiot. It was Friday when I saw this, and actually looked at the Yahoo poll and for once I was on the same side as the idiot yahoo commenters. 90% thought she was in the wrong, lol!~ Ya just don't step on dogs in America I guess ;)

    I mus say, she must not be toying with running in 2016 or if she is, she learned nothing from Romney and his dog on top of car . . .

    Hey, on sep subject but still dogs, I joined a Dal group for putting 'distance' on our dogs. Apparently the parent breed club has been doing this for a few years and you set yearly goals and track your miles walking, running biking  snowshoeing, horse riding etc. Some of the folks put over 1k miles per year in walking (OY! one had over 2k for 4 dogs combined) I set a modest goal of 500 miles and 500 hrs training, lol!~ Thankfully I live where I do, those folks in the midwest are out there in single digits putting in miles already!! We start tomorrow when we will be hitting temps in the 60's :P


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    Geez (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 08:22:17 AM EST
    does going from the couch to the fridge count?    And back.  I do that several times a day.  With the dogs following.
    Seriously.  I haven't walked my dogs, except for about a 3 or 4 month period in 2007 when I briefly lived on an apt in LA working in a project, in 20 years.  They give each other exercise.  Sometimes to much.  I sometimes bring the old guy with the bad hip in because the 2 yo will run him ragged.

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    The dog is a service dog (none / 0) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:36:46 PM EST
    And trained to not to get upset. While I think that too much is being made of this, I don't think that someone weighing somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 lbs. (extremely low end of weight) on the dogs back is good for the dog.

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    You are right (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 06:51:27 PM EST
    of course.  Hopefully this whole thing will convince them to use some of that reality show money to buy the kid a step stool.

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    My daughter asked if "my blog" is (none / 0) (#157)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 05:50:26 PM EST
    obbessed w/Palin/dog. I said, no; my blog is still obsessed w/Ferguson.

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    Palin has a dog? (none / 0) (#160)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jan 06, 2015 at 06:54:07 PM EST
    I appreciate that (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 04, 2015 at 08:26:14 PM EST
    otoh I think they need to be discussed at the very least.  And maybe even seen.  It's unbelievable to me that they would use this kid that has done nothing to anyone as fodder for their sick attempts at humor.  I really makes me mad.  Way more than the photoshopped images of the president we are all familiar with.  The president is a public figure.  Comes with the job.

    People need to know this is out there.  This is who they are.  This is what we are up against. Maybe I'm just on a tear because of the KKK radio station billboard in a scenic little town not far from here.   People who are not exposed to this have a hard time understanding that it exists.  Right here right now. In 2015.

    IMHO, the best way to discuss it ... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 05, 2015 at 12:02:15 AM EST
    ... is the way I just did. I refuse to acknowledge any such arguments, or give such people any veneer of credibility, when they're clearly worthy of my contempt, scorn and ridicule. And I'm not at all afraid to say so. The best way to confront such toxic bile is to call them out for what they are -- to their faces.

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